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Blazinghand
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On May 24 2014 06:00 Steveling wrote:
BH what about the flavor on meapaks death?
You scummingly managed to only answer about the fire thing.
Don't you think the flavor sums you up pretty nicely?
wait, you mean the FLUFF?
like, this part?
On May 24 2014 05:00 ShiaoPi wrote:
If all those horrors had not been enough, the most terrifying sight was right in the middle of the camp. Another charred corpse, but this time the killer seemed to taunt them, for besides his corpse was written: "This was Meapak_Ziphh, he did not seem to partake much in my enjoyment..."
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Just to be clear, you're asking about this passage?
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On May 24 2014 04:17 Cavalinho wrote:
Kush is lurking just like he did in Yuma. He isn't the aggressive over-the-top town kush that I've played with before. Hopefully medics save Foolishness so he posts his case and then we lynch him. The hydra will elaborate better on kush than I ever could.
Steveling is probably town, albeit his opening was really scummy. His vote analysis was enough to warrant calling him town.
Mtam is getting shot tonight so I'm not worried about him at all.
Marv's comment on pushing Odin was mega-scummy imo. Pushing people just because they can't defend themselves is bad for obvious reasons, and as one of the "vets" you think he would've known that. He was kind of laid back for most of day 1 so idk, I'll try reading into him later.
Do people in this game have some kind of problem reading sarcasm/jokes? Jesus.
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Also there are some ?s in the start of that post but they're directed at Kita. Slam and BH both seem to know the game as well, but I'd like to see a tiny amount of kita speculation
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On May 24 2014 06:02 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:00 Steveling wrote:
BH what about the flavor on meapaks death?
You scummingly managed to only answer about the fire thing.
Don't you think the flavor sums you up pretty nicely? wait, you mean the FLUFF? like, this part? Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:00 ShiaoPi wrote:
If all those horrors had not been enough, the most terrifying sight was right in the middle of the camp. Another charred corpse, but this time the killer seemed to taunt them, for besides his corpse was written: "This was Meapak_Ziphh, he did not seem to partake much in my enjoyment..."
? Just to be clear, you're asking about this passage?
Yes.
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yeah sorry. wos got replaced. I would like him to keep playing but that explains his absence. Not Fool's though.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On May 24 2014 06:03 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 06:02 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 06:00 Steveling wrote:
BH what about the flavor on meapaks death?
You scummingly managed to only answer about the fire thing.
Don't you think the flavor sums you up pretty nicely? wait, you mean the FLUFF? like, this part? On May 24 2014 05:00 ShiaoPi wrote:
If all those horrors had not been enough, the most terrifying sight was right in the middle of the camp. Another charred corpse, but this time the killer seemed to taunt them, for besides his corpse was written: "This was Meapak_Ziphh, he did not seem to partake much in my enjoyment..."
? Just to be clear, you're asking about this passage? Yes.
OK, then you're definitely town. I can't possibly imagine you're scum and didn't check to see whether or not this is a Clue game. In this game, the fluff is meaningless. It's not a Clue game.
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Clues:
There are no clues.
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from the OP
so now's the part where you admit confirmation bias and unvote me
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So, I have work in less than an hour. I gave my filter dives, and will read some more of what everyone else says when I get back.
So definitely look at tamburini, jampi, BH, Ritoky, and Marv today would be my guesses.
Also thrawn if he doesn't up his game.
Also, I'm waiting on tehpoofter to post and make me believe he is town. If he doesn't I'd probably lynch him, too.
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On May 24 2014 06:01 austinmcc wrote:
I think that we don't know when LYLO is, we don't know win conditions, we don't know what the actual teams are (kita seemed to think there were other villians, could all the elements be one faction? do evil people use elements?), we don't know diddly squat except that we should lynch some scummy brosephs.
Hapa I will look at yellow. Please keep posting.
It's incredibly annoying that you accused me of "dropping" my Valenius read without you actually having read my post-lynch analysis.
There's really nothing for me to post right now beyond waiting for people to read my cases.
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Then I'm willing to let you go for now BH and account your d1 claim as arrogance over scum.
You start doing things though right now.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
Man I already voted tambo, analyzed kill flavor (but actually correctly) and proved you wrong, all in like an hour! I'm a productivity tornado
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Yeah well you are doing the wrong things, tambo is town as I explained earlier.
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And seriously guys, I didn't waste 3 hours on this for show. I'd like some input on the scum-reads at the very least.
On May 24 2014 03:25 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:00 ShiaoPi wrote:VOTE COUNT: mtamburini (8): Tehpoofter, Hapahauli, Alakaslam, mattisfoolish, Xatalos, Cavalinho, Holyflare, thrawn2112, BlueyD, marvellosity, jampidampi, 27ninjabunnies, bkqyrldp, austinmcc, layabout, Steveling, Meapak_Ziphh Valenius (2): Meapak_Ziphh, Hapahauli, Tehpoofter, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, Xatalos, kitaman27, sqrtofneg1 geript (0): Holyflare, StevelingKoshi (0): ValeniusSteveling (0): Holyflare, Cavalinho, geriptAlakaslam (0): kushm4sta, kushm4staHapahauli (0): kushm4staYell0w (1): Tehpoofter, Tehpoofter, BlueyDXatalos (0): jampidampi, marvellosity, Koshi, thrawn2112, kushm4stajampidampi (0): sqrtofneg1, Xatalos, Xatalos27ninjabunnies (1): Cephiro sqrtofneg1 (0): kitaman27bkqyrldp (0): marvellosityOdinOfPergo (13): Blazinghand, Steveling, Xatalos, Yell0w, Alakaslam, Alakaslam, kushm4sta, Xatalos, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, bkqyrldp, Cavalinho, Valenius, Holyflare Holyflare (1): WaveofShadow, Xatalos, Steveling, Steveling, sqrtofneg1WaveofShadow (0): kitaman27, bkqyrldpBlazinghand (1): Tehpoofter, OdinofPergo, geript, marvellosity, geript thrawn2112 (0): 27ninjabunniesmarvellosity (0): kushm4stalayabout (1): jampidampi, Koshi, OnceKing, marvellosity, ritoky ritoky (0): austinmcc, layaboutBlueyD (0): kitaman27Tehpoofter (1): mtamburini Not voting (2): MysterMeat1, OdinofPergo OdinOfPergo was lynched with 13 votes!
I'm going to use the above votecount to structure my thoughts. By looking at the votes, we can get a better idea about the motivations of certain players, and it can help identify certain mafia tells that might be present in a multi-faction game. I'm dividing posters into 3 categories: - People off of the main wagons
- People who voted Odin
- People who voted Tambo
People off of the main wagons:There's a good chance that certain mafia/faction members will want to "blend-in" and "hide", and one very instinctual way of doing that is to avoid the main course of discussion, take "non-controversial" stances, and avoid contributing by pursuing/voting someone who is not being talked about and has very little chance of getting lynched. In this category of players, we have: mtamburini rikoty geript Cephiro Tehpoofter kitaman sqrtofneg1 WaveofShadow I'm going to start with Mafia Reads, move to Null Reads, and then to Townies: Mtamburini+ Show Spoiler +Mtamburini's vote looks extremely bad by all accounts. On May 23 2014 03:45 mtamburini wrote:I Vote:: tehpoofterwhy? No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS harharharhar Tehpoofter had virtually no chance of getting lynched yesterday, and this is the definition of a wasted vote by all accounts. His reasoning for placing his vote where it was is also pretty suspect: why?
No one else has and I can be the first one to say in post game if he is scum to say I TOLD YOU SO MOFOS On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null.... On May 23 2014 04:59 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 04:38 Holyflare wrote:On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
What was that vote, mtamburini...? I have a lot of reading to catch up on so if I had to found scum based on the first 45 pages of this game I probably couldnt do so. poofter was in my initial scum reads moving towards null. Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. As the days go on my game will improve. With regards to my interactions with people Ive played with before I know I have a better chance of getting a read off them then smoeone I do not know so I will look at them first before anyone else. hey i thought after your long post the ONLY read you had was that steveling was scummy/null to you and that was it? where did this first 45 page poofter read come from? tehpoofter uses sarcasm as either allignment but you can usually tell by the tone of his sarcasm what allignement he is. From his initial posts Im reading the sarcasm as more scummy then towny All of this is really strange. The first two quotes can be barely considered reads. The 3rd quote is extremely manufactured and makes very little sense - tambo had never mentioned tehpoofters "sarcasm" all game, and then it shows up in a very mystical and unexplained read (what is the difference between town/mafia sarcasm?). Quote #2 is additionally strange - he voted a read (tehpoofter) that he felt was moving from Scummy to Null. Not only is this really weak, but he did so over Bunnies, who he's been seemingly tunneling most of the game, and has explicitly called her a strong scum-read in earlier posts. His rationale for not voting Bunnies is weak and makes little sense: On May 23 2014 04:36 mtamburini wrote:... Im not going to vote on bunnies because I think she might be town and just needs some time to cool off and get her head in gear. ... To understand why this makes so little sense, read this post... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=45#896...then read page 3 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?user=mtamburini&page=3He doesn't vote a scumread because he believes that scumread could be town, but then votes tehpoofter (his "scummy moving to null" read) because... man I don't even know. His deadline behavior is pretty strange. After he comes back a couple of hours before lynch deadline, he quickly establishes a town-read on Odin... On May 23 2014 03:03 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, looking at Odin's filter myself, I think he's just a vanilla townie.
Scum would try harder to get out of it. As a vanilla townie, he wouldn't care. On May 23 2014 03:26 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I recommend lynching Val.
Odin may seem scum, but I think he's VT. It's a very poorly explained town-read. His point about "Odin not trying to get out of the lynch" doesn't make much sense either, since Odin had stated earlier he'd be gone until the deadline. Futhermore, Odin was under very little pressure at the time he said that. It seems more like he's trying to justify not voting for Odin as opposed to being sincere with his read. Sqrt then pops down a very "clean" vote on Valenius... ... then POOF! He's gone for the last two hours of shenanigans! Despite having a town read on Odin, he never seems to try and act on it to prevent it. He disappears... then instantly reappears at lynch deadline! This is a really suspicious 2 hours of absence. Another *really* odd thing about his filter is how many town reads he gives out over the course of the game. He gives them out like candy, is seemingly confident in a lot of them, and... yeah. I'm not sure if this is a mafia tell in this particular setup, but it's something that definetely caught my eye on a readthrough. Given that Cephiro was AFK for the last half of the day, it's hard for me to get an accurate read on him. However the first half of his day 1 play seems like it would come from some sort of faction.
I won't talk much about the contents of his big case. What's more important is that he didn't talk about anything other than his case on bunnies at all. This lines up with the idea of a faction wanting to "hunt" for players, but not necessarily interested in contributing to town discussion.
Again, hard to make a complete read on him due to him being AFK for a while, but his play objectively fits pretty well with how I'd think a faction member hunting other faction members would approach this game: find a target, push him/her, and really not contribute to town discussion otherwise. Hard to say. His play is pretty short and straightforward. He believed layabout was scum, voted him, and then had to step out: On May 22 2014 19:48 ritoky wrote:
Well, I am going to sleep and I am not sure if I will make it back before the deadline.
For me it's between WOS and layabout.
WOS contributes and I basically don't like much of anything he says.
Layabout doesn't contribute, and when he does its mostly shit filling.
Gonna go with layabout. ##vote layabout Nothing in his filter that screams his alignment one way or the other. Well he replaced out. This makes a lot of his lack of interest and activity in the latter half of the game pretty explainable. I wasn't altogether please with his play (especially his stuff on Holyflare), but it's better not to make judgements about an incomplete filter and let his replacement talk some. I believe to be town. Geript is extremely active and emotional this game. His tunnels seem very genuine, and while he ended up on BlazingHand, he definitely was very involved in the chaos and discussion of the day. He's drawn a ton of attention to himself, and really isn't someone I'm concerned about. Tehpoofter I'm less sure about, but I think he's town. He's playing extraordinarily different from his scum-game in You Only Shoot Once, and was fairly active/involved early on. He was afk for the last ~24 hours of the day (not changing his vote or posting at all), which leads me to believe his vote being off of one of the main wagons is a null-tell. Based on his early day behavior, I give him a moderate town read, with the expectation that he continues that in future days.
On May 24 2014 04:35 Hapahauli wrote:This post was supposed to be a bit longer, but I'm running out of time until the deadline, and I need to talk to austin apparently. Might be bombing more reads as I go through filters. Yell0w+ Show Spoiler +Pretty simple: Votes Odin pretty early in the game in support of the "RNG lynch" thing. On May 21 2014 08:55 Yell0w wrote:
Okay so I'm behind an RNG lynch, I understand my idea wouldn't work since people don't want to random their vote and if most don't do it it'll never work, so I'll just vote Odin. I was willing to wait for people to say why they were against it, but nobody gave a good reason not to do it, in my opinion.
##Vote: OdinofPergo 13 hours later, he has scumreads! He very specifically has a STRONG scumread on tamburini and has seemingly a very good reason to vote him right away. On May 22 2014 00:19 Yell0w wrote:
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ritoky: leaning scum, he hasn't posted enough for me to think he isn't, just made big posts to make it seems like he's contributing to town instead of actively participating in the thread like he did last game.
tamburini: scum, I didn't like the big post he made, it all seemed like fluff, he was basically just giving his gut reads on people as he was reading the thread, which is pretty much useless to anyone but him. He's been very different from the game I played with him where he was town.
... But he doesn't vote tamburini... or anyone. Despite being active ~5 hours before lynch deadline. He comes back in the thread, makes several posts that provide very little content, then is gone. I realize that Yell0w has been considered lynchbait in the past, but goddamn voting RNG over a very clear scumread (tambo) is a pretty glaring scumtell. I put Alakaslam next because he's in an identical situation to Yell0w: voted to RNG lynch Odin and pretty much stuck with it.
The problem is, I can't read Alakaslam for shit and my mind melts when I read his filter. I'm biased to interpret everything he says as genuine, so yeah. I'd need some second opinions here. (Shoot him!) + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
to be fair i switched to odin purely for the lolz of bh retardation On May 23 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote:
i switched before bh made his shit case Posted after the lynch. People who vote for reasons *other* than lynching mafia are mafia themselves and should die. I really don't think this is simply kush being kush either. When he's town, he trolls the shit out of people but atleast has town objectives in his heart. There's also some weird stuff in his filter. When marv posts that "all vets who sheeped the Odin lynch are suspicious", Kush INSTANTLY re-activates and defends himself: On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town ... posting this, followed by two other posts (quoted above). He's just very angry this game in general. I don't get any sense of playful trolling that I've seen in other of Kush's less-active town games. I've said all that I need to about him really. There are several posts in my filter about him. tl;dr, he's shitposting and +1'ing people a lot. It feels like mafia having a hard time contributing. He has two analysis pieces, one that I covered earlier... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=118#2356... and another that's pretty simply an OMGUS case against me. He feels like mafia trying to hide. His contributions have been weak, and good portion of his filter are pointless one-liners. That being said, I think there are other priorities over him right now. It is possible that he's just a newbie with severe self-confidence issues, and I think I have stronger reads on Tambo, Yell0w, and kush.
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He's not there in your immediately followup. The later analysis may have him as scummy, but he still drops from your mind then and slam/yellow pop up for behavior that he exhibited while pushing you.
Elderly heterosexual peruvian man, whatchoo think about hapa.
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On May 24 2014 06:10 austinmcc wrote:
He's not there in your immediately followup. The later analysis may have him as scummy, but he still drops from your mind then and slam/yellow pop up for behavior that he exhibited while pushing you.
Elderly heterosexual peruvian man, whatchoo think about hapa.
Who's not in my followup? Valenius? Who the hell cares if he's in my followup?
Like do you seriously not understand that players are capable of reacting to new, more important, and more reliable information?
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On May 24 2014 05:33 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:29 Steveling wrote:On May 24 2014 05:28 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2014 05:26 Steveling wrote:
BlazingHand the only way I'll take you seriously and anyone else for that matter, is if you reveal your role.
Its high time I think by now.
Same goes for slam. I've crumbed my role and I can't reveal it. Also, I should let you know, generally night kill flavor does not point at the username of a player. It points at role or alignment, but not username. For example, if you were a water-aligned player and you killed someone, the flip would show them drowning, not them getting steved to death. Well then you better start contributing because all you have is the rng and the town case. I know it's a no-no to reference one's own meta due to wifom reasons, but generally the kind of case and push I did on OdinofPergo is "classic town Blazinghand". If I were playing with me and saw me do that, I'd generally consider me to be almost certainly town. I won't ask you to take my word on it, though. I do this all the time. It's how I roll. Sometimes I catch scum, sometimes I mislynch town, but that D1 was a fairly typical Blazinghand D1. My profile has a list of games I've played in (though it needs to be updated). Check out my play in Mario Mini Mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/381440-mario-mini-mafia
I gotta say I vouch for this. Also BH has made me actually giggle this game, when there are usually 3 options:
1. BH is irritating, he is mafia
2. BH is irritating, he is town
3. BH is amusing, he is town
I don't remember an instance of 4. BH is amusing, he is mafia ever happening before
he could be some non-mafia, non-town faction but i really don't think he's mafia.
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What do you think of sqrt's post-lynch behavior Hapa?
Also, I agree with your overall framework for kush, but not your conclusion. I think there IS some playful stuff, I think he's complaining just the right amount and he pops in for ... non-mafia stuff? Mafia can complain about spam all day, can complain about all sorts of stuff, can encourage bad behavior, instead kush, among other things, tries to pop in and explain whatever that bit was about you and geript and someone and when things are usually town or not.
On May 22 2014 04:22 kushm4sta wrote:
about the getript/sqrtneg1 exchange:
sqrtneg1 (terrible name btw) says "hapa is town because he's townreading "two alpha towns fighting"
getripts says "the person who does what hapa does is usually scum
strpt says usually they are but in not this case
sqrt thought getript was talking about himself
getript was actually talking abotu hapa
SO THE READING COMPREHENSION PROBABEM WAS WITH SQRT
this is pointless btw
I don't really see him bussing anyone except maybe you. I don't see him generally adding to thread disorganization.
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On May 24 2014 06:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Man I already voted tambo, analyzed kill flavor (but actually correctly) and proved you wrong, all in like an hour! I'm a productivity tornado
I dont get it do you think Im scummy for that or towny?
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Napa you aren't addressing Austin's best point
You go from valenius strong scum to "almost haven't even thought of valenius" in a way that suggests you know he is town and forgot you had an opportunity to mislynch him/didn't need to put in the work anymore.
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