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On May 25 2014 07:54 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
austin: random thought having only read halfway through your post - I do actually remember jampi being surprisingly aggressive in previous games for someone who is generally so lurky. Take that with a pinch of salt, that's without checking and you can obviously verify that yourself should you wish.
Also I quite liked his research on mtamb's vote progression that was his last post (I think). Quite happy to chitchat about it though. That was his last post. I'll go check some past games. The way that he goes about getting onto mtam, then sitting on mtam, then calling everyone bad for the OOP lynch, and just continuing to push only mtam is worrying to me. Not 100% mafia, but he's just found a dude to sit on, who is kinda scummy, and will just perch there and call him scummy for a while. In the narrative where jampi is mafia, he's a MAJOR PERCHER. TOP 10 PERCHER FINLAND. I dunno, if he REALLY thinks everyone is bad for not lynching mtam and if he REALLY wants mtam to be the lynch today, doesn't he...not say this? Show nested quote +e was a good candidate day 1, and those reasons to lynch him still apply. There's nothing relevant to town in his filter during N1 or D2. Like shouldn't he be swinging from the trees and playing cowbell and going door to door handing out pamphlets about how mtam is mafia, not just saying "those reasons still apply, even though I also never gave them in the first place." His push on mtam feels very...detached?
Yeah I understand what you're saying.
Bear in mind though that jampidampi is this:
1) has always been pretty lurky in his games
2) has been prone to be mislynched quite a lot early on in games (partly because of #1)
3) actually quit TL mafia because he was pissed off with everything, pissed off with how games went, pissed off with being mislynched, etc.
Basically what I'm sort of saying is that while yes, he probably should be swinging from the trees etc, he's a kinda frustrated player (historically) who quit mafia in part because he never did do that and got lynched for it quite a bit.
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ok austin. You know I love you dearly and think you talk a large amount of nonsense a lot of the time, but I think this MZ thing has merit.
It is definitely curious that someone with so few posts who has spent at least a couple of them shedding suspicion on someone then puts that person on to the no-lynch list.
I'd quite like jampi to tell us what happened there
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On May 25 2014 08:31 austinmcc wrote:
P'shaw. Even my nonsense has merit.
I do wish there was more not-me talking today. Probably not optimal for the game. Also, this is one reason not to sit on the coin flip dude, because there are still plenty of OTHER people to pressure and whatnot.
yeah but other people will respond if they're talked about or even if they're not talked about. I don't think mysterymeat will respond at all unless he's up for the lynch, and maybe not even then. so it's kinda worth a try you see. The idea isn't "let's all just lynch this guy and not do anything else" and you should feel ashamed if you think so :p
but yeah that mz stuff is good.
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On May 25 2014 08:35 Cavalinho wrote:
I don't really see what else there is to talk about right now.
I have kush as scum and I don't think your reasons for letting him go are spectacular. I still want to lynch him, and kita's case on Bluey is pretty good too.
Also, fun fact, I like marv's last couple of posts and I now have him as town. So that's something, I guess.
could you just tell me what you liked so i can confirm you're not bullshitting please? that would be lovely :p
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On May 25 2014 08:44 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 08:37 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2014 08:35 Cavalinho wrote:
I don't really see what else there is to talk about right now.
I have kush as scum and I don't think your reasons for letting him go are spectacular. I still want to lynch him, and kita's case on Bluey is pretty good too.
Also, fun fact, I like marv's last couple of posts and I now have him as town. So that's something, I guess. could you just tell me what you liked so i can confirm you're not bullshitting please? that would be lovely :p Sure, whatever. I'd say that your filter from page 11 onwards was pretty good. It wasn't really super content-heavy, but felt pretty genuine and it felt like you were developing your reads in a natural way and trying to put the pieces together correctly. Your content on jampi was something I didn't (care to) look for but it looked like good information to have in the thread in concern to his behavior. That good?
Sure, that sounds fairly reasonable. thanks.
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ritoky - a question if I may.
Why is Hapa particularly suspicious because he finds people with low filter length scummy, when the large majority of the game is doing the same thing? All the main wagons/suspicions are generally on low filter-length people, so why is Hapa doing so particularly egregious, but not anyone else?
Lastly, this is just a gut read, but I get the read that a lot of his posts are sending out feelers. He doesn't ever go all-in or really push. He sends out feelers to see if there's support. Then later he pushes if there is or drops it if there is not. For example I am a neutral read in his reads above, but as soon as layabout starts getting angry at me, Hapa is behind him giving him a little boost. He is pretty much scum in my mind.
Could you elaborate on this at all? Some more examples with quotes?
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On May 25 2014 08:51 austinmcc wrote:
ritoky post above looks townie to me although i would still <3 more conversation and less lists. But the reasons behind his read aren't the lazy ones, aren't the normal ones, like that hapa reasoning looks like...legit thoughts?
yeah. i like the poofter comments as well. it's *exactly* how it looks to me, and i'm only a bit unnaturally sure poofter isn't mafia because i've seen him in other games. but what he said is perfect.
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On May 25 2014 09:00 geript wrote:Got caught up with cooking dinner I'm back snooglewoogle
Could I get an updated Slam read from you? Apologise if you've talked about it this phase and I've missed it. Doesn't have to be in depth.
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On May 25 2014 09:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 08:51 marvellosity wrote:ritoky - a question if I may. Why is Hapa particularly suspicious because he finds people with low filter length scummy, when the large majority of the game is doing the same thing? All the main wagons/suspicions are generally on low filter-length people, so why is Hapa doing so particularly egregious, but not anyone else? Lastly, this is just a gut read, but I get the read that a lot of his posts are sending out feelers. He doesn't ever go all-in or really push. He sends out feelers to see if there's support. Then later he pushes if there is or drops it if there is not. For example I am a neutral read in his reads above, but as soon as layabout starts getting angry at me, Hapa is behind him giving him a little boost. He is pretty much scum in my mind. Could you elaborate on this at all? Some more examples with quotes? Well, I think that a lot of the main wagons/suspicions are not very good as you can see by my reads. And I think the people pushing on them deserve to be examined in regards to if you feel they are just trying to get a ML on someone they perceive to be an easy target or if there is real grounds there. Outside of jampidampi, I personally am not really sold on any of the other low filter count cases. I guess I could be convinced on sqrt, but that's cuz I have no clue about that guy. However the difference is that most people pushed on 1 or 2 of those guys. Hapa pushed on ALL of them. His scum/leaning scum reads above are basically all of those people, and then when one or the other sticks (like with layabout pushing on me) he starts pursuing that one further. It just looks like fishing for an easy ML with a shotgun imo. As for examples with quotes. If you still want those then I will be happy to oblige in about an hour after the 2nd half of the sounders game.
Honestly the more you post the better, so yes I'll take you up on the examples when you have time. No rush ^^
Again when you're ready, could you pick out the suspicions that Hapa made that you don't think are logical or genuine? Because you can disagree with someone's reads but that doesn't mean that person is faking it.
With regards to jampidampi, do you take into the account any of the past games/history with him that I talked about recently? Does that affect your read, if not, why?
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On May 25 2014 09:11 geript wrote:
He's looked more and more townie to me in some regards. He feels really off though and idk what it is.
I'm curious if you followed YOSO after you died btw. Slam in many regards played... pretty sensibly, less all over the place, and I would say it wasn't that obvious he was "enjoying himself" (one of your things on him). On day 6 I think there he pushed Ace pretty concertedly and seriously with me. It looked frighteningly normal :p
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layabout, you have any opinions on anyone else?
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like any of the other wagons, anyone who's not really been talked about that you think should have done...
your focus is extremely singleminded
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On May 25 2014 09:50 geript wrote:
I think Thrawn is mafia. Can't explain it well. The Kush read is really odd. He's also not withdrawn at all; like he's just angry. Like Kush is usually pretty detached from the thread and what I've seen of Thrawn (and how to read him) is that he's like 30% of Kush apart from the threat. Here it looks more like he has no interest in playing whatsoever which is more what I understand of his mafia play.
I get this read but the problem is I think thrawn would at least make a token effort as mafia to make/explain reads or do some cases. He was mafia in LXIII that I hosted and he *did* things. Actually in many cases bad things, but he did things. I kinda feel like in this game he'd at least have pretended to give even a bit of a shit? It's actually *really easy* in this sort of game to bullshit up a couple of reads on any of the many lurkers/weirdplaying players.
If I were mafia in this game (soft townclaim ftw) I'd just go "here's one or two players, let's lynch them for some random reasons in their filter" and just go from there. Dunno. It's actually quite hard to imagine mafia playing like thrawn is doing where he's been around to do a few inconsequential things, without taking what is a really easy path and making some bogus reads.
Then again I'm not certain this makes him not-mafia, but it makes me go eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Understand me?
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On May 25 2014 10:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Looking at Cephiro's scum games, he has posted those monster walls of text early in the game multiple times as each alignment. I'm not willing to assume he is town based on effort there, especially since the content of the case wasn't very convincing. He hasn't posted since the start of day one.
My heuristic is - long walls of text - not alignment indicative
are the long walls of text eminently reasonable? -> mafia
are the long walls of text not that reasonable, tunnelly, hammering away at a certain point, convoluted -> town
Also Ceph kinda feels like he owns the place when he's town, less as mafia, check it out.
Yes, his absence is pretty terrible. But those are my thoughts ^ let me know if you want me to elaborate/discuss
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On May 25 2014 10:09 layabout wrote:actually playing mafia for cool points to counterbalance those lost from your name in the eyes of some?
hey you.
I think ritoky's recent posts (and especially the last one) is pretty good.
why don't you?
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On May 25 2014 11:18 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 11:02 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2014 10:09 layabout wrote:On May 25 2014 10:06 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
What do you suggest? actually playing mafia for cool points to counterbalance those lost from your name in the eyes of some? hey you. I think ritoky's recent posts (and especially the last one) is pretty good. why don't you? Show nested quote +Marv just said this
My heuristic is - long walls of text - not alignment indicative
are the long walls of text eminently reasonable? -> mafia
are the long walls of text not that reasonable, tunnelly, hammering away at a certain point, convoluted -> town marv you asked him stuff and he responded with a wall that you think is good by your own metric that makes him more likely to be maifa. i think his earlier play very much suggests that he is mafia and a few reasonable looking walls doesn't change that. What are his priorities when he is posting? His recent posts still look like his image is at the top of his agenda.
no, that was my cephiro metric my friend
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On May 25 2014 11:29 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2014 11:21 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2014 11:18 layabout wrote:On May 25 2014 11:02 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2014 10:09 layabout wrote:On May 25 2014 10:06 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
What do you suggest? actually playing mafia for cool points to counterbalance those lost from your name in the eyes of some? hey you. I think ritoky's recent posts (and especially the last one) is pretty good. why don't you? Marv just said this
My heuristic is - long walls of text - not alignment indicative
are the long walls of text eminently reasonable? -> mafia
are the long walls of text not that reasonable, tunnelly, hammering away at a certain point, convoluted -> town marv you asked him stuff and he responded with a wall that you think is good by your own metric that makes him more likely to be maifa. i think his earlier play very much suggests that he is mafia and a few reasonable looking walls doesn't change that. What are his priorities when he is posting? His recent posts still look like his image is at the top of his agenda. no, that was my cephiro metric my friend hey marv, i have a question for you!
gogo
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P.S. I'm like quadruple confirmed town because I'd never post at 3:30 am as mafia. Fact.
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see above ^ 
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"from what i understand that means i can tell if people are magical" - what are you basing that on?
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