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On January 14 2014 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have me as your scumread.
Artanis has me as his scumread.
Artanis gets killed.
I am suddenly your townread.
There is no logic.
That wasn't why I said you were town. I said I was willing to make an assumption based on the veterancy of HF and yourself and your certain reads of each other but the way you've both played today has called into question the safeness of that assumption from my perspective.
If there's a shortcut I can make use of I'd like to use it. If that reads scum then w/e
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On January 14 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
How can you say that I've been playing bad when i literally lynched scum yesterday? Lolol you funny. Now you are annoyed that I've brought up your name and posted why you are scum and 2 other people agree? Are we all scum?
I could make a case but i don't need to because other people have eyes and some have some resemblance of brains. I'm also studying for my exams which were today and tomorrow.
Your vote on rayn is.... Yeh
Giggle why did you not vote templar when you just posted all of that?
Yesterday is not today, I never said you played poorly D1 (aside from the scooby doo spam at the start, you played fine). D2, you made a ton of spam posts, gave baseless accusations for why I'm scum, and when I responded with counterarguments, you ignored them. You haven't played well today at all.
I just said I actually think Giggle is town because he gave unique reasons for me being scum that I honestly would see eye-to-eye with if I was in his shoes, so no you aren't all scum.
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On January 14 2014 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 06:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On January 14 2014 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have me as your scumread.
Artanis has me as his scumread.
Artanis gets killed.
I am suddenly your townread.
There is no logic. That wasn't why I said you were town. I said I was willing to make an assumption based on the veterancy of HF and yourself and your certain reads of each other but the way you've both played today has called into question the safeness of that assumption from my perspective. If there's a shortcut I can make use of I'd like to use it. If that reads scum then w/e There is no reason to change your read from N1 when nothing has changed besides Artanis dying. Stop squirming scum.
I red you and Mocsta both as scummy, but didn't necessarily draw a hard connection between the two of you being scum together. When Mocsta flipped red, that eliminates the possibility of you being paired with HF. Why wouldn't any town change their reads in light of said new information?
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On January 14 2014 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are avoiding the issue.
You read me scum.
Artanis read me scum.
Artanis flipped. This, to you, if you are town, should point me being scum MORE.
You read me town.
Again, there is no logic. Nothing else happened between.
No you are ignoring my logic.
I hadn't ever considered you as a lone scum at that point because of the surety of HF's townread on you. I considered you might be with him, but when Mocsta flips red, you being with HF ceases to be possible.
I actually think it would be much more mafia of me to bring up the night death and who their scumread is.
"Hey guys, the guy who scumread Rayn died last night. He's probably scum"
That's literally the easiest read to make in the history of ever. How does it read townie for someone to point that out? It's more an observation than anything as it's blatantly obvious to everyone who died and what their reads were already.
I follow the reasoning behind it but my reads were based on other things less obvious.
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On January 14 2014 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, GGTeMpLaR is mafia nad we should end the game.
No, you are tunneled mafia and are gonna have a lot of fun explaining why you're town tomorrow if I get lynched today.
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On January 14 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 12:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 09:09 Corazon wrote:
Artanis [Xp], as a VT, ate radioactive Scooby Snax and died!
It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. I'm working on finding a replacement for Derrida. Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida.
scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum.
I understand why you think I have no reasons for flipping now.
You literally are ignoring them. That's a pretty good mafia strategy - just ignore peoples reasons and then call them scum for not giving any.
such amaze
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On January 14 2014 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can mafia be tunneled?
Easy. Just look at what you've done today.
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You aren't even reading my arguments. You're literally ignoring them.
I haven't once called you scum for reading me as scum (even though you haven't even said why you think I am scum).
If you would like to be reminded how town plays this game, see Giggle's post. Those are logical reasons a town might read someone as mafia.
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On January 14 2014 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So lay out every reason why i am mafia and why my behavior comes more likely from mafia perspective than from town perspective and i demolish them.
go!
I've yet to see anything like this from you since D2 started and it was pretty scarce even on D1. You can't just give bullshit accusations without reasons and ask everyone to repeat their reasons again and again.
How about you go back and reread my filter. The reasons I think you're scum are all there.
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On January 14 2014 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 06:51 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I haven't once called you scum for reading me as scum (even though you haven't even said why you think I am scum).
I have posted the same case three times. Who is not reading?
I've refuted that same case three times. Clearly you aren't for ignoring my responses.
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On January 14 2014 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 06:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So with Rayn/HF both tunneling on me, I don't care if they're veterans or not. (1)Their judgment obviously isn't good enough to clear each other as confirmed town based on the fact of how bad their read is on me, especially when they aren't even trying to address my arguments.
(2)Also, Rayn is acting as mad as someone who just had their partner get lynched who voted themselves D1. (3)This is the second time he's lost his temper (the first when I voted him over Mocsta) and acted bm-as-fuck responding with ad hominem to people's arguments and completely ignoring them.
Then again, HF ignored all of my arguments as well after I asked him to back up some of his baseless accusations. (4)I'm honestly fine with voting either of them at this point because I'd rather lose to lurker mafia than bm mafia who isn't even playing the game. (5)And even if they're town, they're bad town. I don't want to go to final 3 with either of them because they will throw if they play like they did today.
##Vote Rayn
I don't care if that makes me look scummy for flip flopping - in light of new information, my reads will change. Aside from the point about Office Space, Giggle just made the only townie post since the day started. Even if he's wrong about me, at least he's giving unique reasons for his reads.
1. OMGUS 2. I get mad over stupidity as town. Not alignment indicative 3. See (2) 4. You don't even call me scum, you don't even care who is lynched between me and HF. 5. Implies you don't even think me/HF is scum, you just don't want us alive. What was your case again?
1. Not OMGUS. I'm not calling you scum because you read me as scum. I've backed off a reason I town-read I had assumed I could make for both of you.
2/3. Fine.
4. I voted you over HF, it's clear I care.
5. No such implication is made. It's merely a pre-emptive acknowledgement that I'm not saying you're confirmed scum. Some people like to misuse the word "certain" and "confirmed" and others don't.
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On January 14 2014 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are not even calling me scum!!!
You are scum.
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You want some reasons even though you've given none on why I'm scum?
1. First actual post with reads
On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have read.
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it.
You sheep HF's read on Derrida that didn't even have any reasons behind it to begin with. You then vote on me for no reason aside from going hard on someone you've cleared as town without any reason.
2. Next actual real post with any reads - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=11#203
You pocket HF by giving a biased argument centered around me and everyone else being responsible for shitting up the thread, and say HF isn't responsible when the first two pages of his filter are spam. HF hasn't even given a read on the game at this point (aside from saying Derrida is confirmed town), yet you know he's town.
How's that scum?
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In fact, my original post/accusations calling you scum before we lynched Mocsta have still gone ignored.
Your response to it?
On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
How about you actually look at it instead of ignoring it and calling me fucking stupid?
scumbag
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On January 14 2014 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:I have answered that post and it was all about "rayn is mafia because Mocsta is town". Can we stop this bullshit already?
I don't know, can you? If you actually read it you'd know I never called Mocsta town.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/speculation?s=t
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On January 14 2014 07:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Between Rayn and Mocsta, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rayn than Mocsta at the moment mainly for these reasons-
-Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum
-It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF
-This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle)
-And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
So this is where I'm at
##Vote Rayn Liar. Die scum die!
On January 14 2014 07:41 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:I have answered that post and it was all about "rayn is mafia because Mocsta is town". Can we stop this bullshit already? I don't know, can you? If you actually read it you'd know I never called Mocsta town. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/speculation?s=t
literacy is a good skill toi have
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a useful talent toi have*
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On January 14 2014 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you voted me because you were "speculating a possible scenario you can back off if needed".
That's like textbook scum play, not commiting on a read, leaving yourself outs left and right.
GGTeMpLaR is so mafia it comes out from his ears, can you guys please just vote for him so we can end this gmae?
wow I don't even the bold part
wat?
I'll just bold why I voted for you to make it easiest on us both
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On January 12 2014 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#367
-I think Giggletummy actually made decent points against Rayn, especially his noting how Rayn's early arguments against Artanis were weak. He also brings up solid points on the inconsistency of which players posting history are being looked at vs which are being ignored, especially after how much shit I got for not looking into Derrida's posting history.
I don't like how Rayn still accuses Giggle of not taking a stance on Mocsta/Artanis when he literally talks about them in the few posts above -
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#373
I am town-reading Giggle and scum-reading Rayn for these reasons.
##Unvote
Between Rayn and Mocsta, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rayn than Mocsta at the moment mainly for these reasons-
-Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum
-It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF
-This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle)
I didn't bold the last bit just for you Scummy-Scummy-Doo
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