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Look i try to explain. Holyflare's mini game is not a scum tell. You guys are calling it a scum tell because it distracts the thread while in fact it has promoted the most useful discussion there is. It started the scumhunting discussion. I don't know what thread you are reading if that's not your conclusion.
Besides that Holyflare has been one of the most productive and sharing players in this game. I know what his read on every player is, pretty much. Same can't be said about Giggletummy, Mocsta and Artanis (and to some extent you, although i believe you think other people are town besided HF/ziziyo).
Your reasoning for the connection theory is bad, because the original assumption / analysis is incorrect. Holyflare's mini game is not alignment indicative. There is no town/scum motive over the other for it. The results in itself prove it. If Holyflare kept on with his game and did nothing else and didn't play the actual mafia game then you could call him scum for not scumhunting, but that's not the case. In addition to that he is right in saying mafia does not want to bus. It might not be 100% correct assumption but taking completely different sides and calling each other mafia as mafia is the worst way to play this setup, just because mafia wins the game if they lynch 2 townies and if they bus on D1 they give the town 2 mislynches + 6 irl-days of extra time to figure out the game. It's a big nono.
Mafia does not want to call other mafia scum, at least this early in the game. The town credit they could claim is not enough to cover the risk of losing a member and giving town more time to solve the game. If you accuse your scumbuddy you know they are scum and your accusation is most likely correct (unless you want to make yourself look bad by saying stupid stuff). You risk losing a member for nothing, when you can just "try to figure out the game" and attack some poor townie, like i assume at least one mafioso is doing right now by attacking you. Because what you are saying makes very little sense. That does not however mean you are mafia.
Mocsta and Artanis should know better, i have no clue who Giggletummy is.
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On January 10 2014 22:13 Derrida wrote:
Not necessarily as the person to whom the question is addressed would not know if you answered my inquiry truthfully or not.
And what purpose would it serve if i lied to you? It would be nothing but stupid.
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Vote Count
Mocsta (1) - Artanis[Xp], raynpelikoneet
Derrida (2) - Mocsta, Artanis[Xp], GGTeMpLaR, Mocsta, Artanis[Xp]
GGTeMpLaR (0) raynpelikoneet
HolyFlare (1) Derrida
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
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On January 10 2014 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look i try to explain. Holyflare's mini game is not a scum tell. You guys are calling it a scum tell because it distracts the thread while in fact it has promoted the most useful discussion there is. It started the scumhunting discussion. I don't know what thread you are reading if that's not your conclusion.
Besides that Holyflare has been one of the most productive and sharing players in this game. I know what his read on every player is, pretty much. Same can't be said about Giggletummy, Mocsta and Artanis (and to some extent you, although i believe you think other people are town besided HF/ziziyo).
Your reasoning for the connection theory is bad, because the original assumption / analysis is incorrect. Holyflare's mini game is not alignment indicative. There is no town/scum motive over the other for it. The results in itself prove it. If Holyflare kept on with his game and did nothing else and didn't play the actual mafia game then you could call him scum for not scumhunting, but that's not the case. In addition to that he is right in saying mafia does not want to bus. It might not be 100% correct assumption but taking completely different sides and calling each other mafia as mafia is the worst way to play this setup, just because mafia wins the game if they lynch 2 townies and if they bus on D1 they give the town 2 mislynches + 6 irl-days of extra time to figure out the game. It's a big nono.
Mafia does not want to call other mafia scum, at least this early in the game. The town credit they could claim is not enough to cover the risk of losing a member and giving town more time to solve the game. If you accuse your scumbuddy you know they are scum and your accusation is most likely correct (unless you want to make yourself look bad by saying stupid stuff). You risk losing a member for nothing, when you can just "try to figure out the game" and attack some poor townie, like i assume at least one mafioso is doing right now by attacking you. Because what you are saying makes very little sense. That does not however mean you are mafia.
Mocsta and Artanis should know better, i have no clue who Giggletummy is.
On January 10 2014 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Mocsta
*barks aggressively*
##Unvote
##Vote Raynpelikoneet
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So are you going to give your reads on Giggletummy and Mocsta or continue with this crap Artanis?
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On January 11 2014 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So are you going to give your reads on Giggletummy
*lays down*
and Mocsta
*lays down*
or continue with this crap Artanis?
*wags tail*
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##unvote:
##Vote: Artanis
In either way 2/3 of Artanis/Giggle/Mocsta are scum so i don't really care. No playing is not playing and should warrant a lynch.
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On January 11 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote:
##Vote: Artanis
In either way 2/3 of Artanis/Giggle/Mocsta are scum so i don't really care. No playing is not playing and should warrant a lynch.
*barks aggressively*
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Quoting someone's posts and saying "scummy" is not contributing towards scumhunting. It's bullshit.
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From reading the comments on Amber's postgame
I found people thought the restriction was lame.
A new posting restriction has been applied
And a scum suspect has been supplied.
Rayn's posting history is poor
Votes with little arguments are his door
He has barely been hunting for scum
Yet posted more than a small sum.
A large post is his offense
Yet little explanation for his vote provides little sense
My vote on him is the consequence.
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Derrida is quote obviously town and you and Mocsta should see it.
You are not willing to contribute towards lynching mafia by giving reads on Giggletummy and Mocsta, and i believe there are two scum between you three because Holyflare and ziziyo also look really town for reasons i have already put in the thread.
Your posts also say pretty much nothing because as i said quoting a post and calling it scummy is not a case and does not help anyone.
So yeah, process of elimination and your unwillingness to help the town or interact with people.
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Derrida is not obviously town
Any town who says so is a clown
My suspects I have told
On Giggletummy and Mocsta I am not sold
Your posts contain unnaturally high amounts of fluff
For you to be town, it is tough
Interest in continuing this conduct, I am not
You are scum, you have been caught.
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Can you show me what parts of my posts are fluff? My big post was purely directed to Derrida because he obviously was doing something dumb. And no, there is no way he is mafia, you can take my word for it.
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@HF
On January 10 2014 20:59 Holyflare wrote:
Why is everyone assuming that scooby doo is ANTI-town? It helps me figure out alignments, it has generated A LOT of discussion over it for analysis and you can all have fun in the process! That is the most pro town thing that can be done. You also quite clearly have not read this game up to date if you think it has wasted any time at all, coupled with the fact that you think I haven't been participating my previous read on you is rapidly dwindling. It's not an assumption. I personally find all the extra fluff to be anti-town. It adds pages, provides things to do for people that aren't scumhunting (even if you are using it for a purpose), and it fluffs your filter up. It also encourages rayn to add fluff now too. Regardless of what posting scooby doo stuff does for you, it has an effect on the rest of the thread, and it may not be helpful for everyone. Let alone the fact that people aren't "assuming" your scooby doo stuff to be anti-town, some people just think it is. Not an assumption, an opinion. For instance, I think it's anti-town right now.
I would be gathering A LOT more information from people playing scooby doo if they actually played along instead of criticising it. I have already gained much information based on responses though so it has most definitely had a net benefit. For instance, this is your opinion. You would be in a better spot if people played along. But other people may disagree. They're not assuming differently, they're not necessarily scummy for disagreeing, you are both assuming different things.
@everyone that isn't HF, #HF
On January 10 2014 21:16 Holyflare wrote:
I know you're new and are learning the ropes but a connection theory between 2 unflipped players is generally regarded as really bad in the community as you are basing your entire read on unknown information. So when you come back saying that I am your scum read so there has to be a scum who take takes the opposite stance to me is verging on the crazy. You can't possibly know that UNLESS 1 of the scum is actually taking a stance against me and you are using that information for your attack on me. On January 10 2014 21:20 Derrida wrote:Jesus, I have read your god damn filter. Show nested quote +I can see a team of Giggle/Mocsta/Templar (obviously eliminating one) although judged on exp of mafia games (I don't think i've seen templar play?) he looks more tunelled than anything else and also seems confused about the implications of the setup whereas Mocsta definitely knows better. At an early stage such as now a Giggle/Mocsta team is looking mighty plausible.
This is not analysis, this is just babbling. Do you honestly expect two scums to act like buddies at the start of the game? I don't think anyone can be this naive, you are just swinging wild accusations based on what? "exp of mafia games"? what does that even mean? Please provide clear and logical analysis before accusing people of not reading the game. *goes into a pet shop, buys scooby snacks and a clicker* *friendly rhinoceros noises*
Holyflare attacks derrida for drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Holyflare has been drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Derrida does not turn hard on this and bop HF, but it's there.
I don't care who you are; that's scummy right there.
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@ggtemplar
On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense. This is a poor way to scumhunt, and is going to lead you down a lot of wrong paths. You can assume anyone is scum and find reasons that their actions are then scummy. If you're mafia, it's how you make decent-sounding scum reads. If you're town, it's how you tunnel, often incorrectly. It's not at all a good way to get scumreads, because if you're town you're doing exactly what mafia would like to be doing, and you're starting with someone being scum and then finding actions, rather than using actions to find someone scummy in the first place.
On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote). Artanis's initial scumread is this: On January 10 2014 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote:
^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme? *barks aggressively* to which you responded On January 10 2014 05:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I like Artanis because I think he just sniffed out the second scum.
I'll be back in a few hours. Are you saying that you considered artanis's initial barking a concrete/solid scumread? Are you saying you presented your thoughts on derrida? Or does the bolded bit of your later quote only apply to later posts? Would like to see you back this bit up.
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@Artanis
Here boy. Here boy! Sniff this!On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote).
Now don't respond right now, wait until GG gets a chance to reply. But hold onto that scent and let me know what it smelled like and what the response smells like once made.
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Giggletummy i find it funny you say this:
I personally find all the extra fluff to be anti-town. It adds pages, provides things to do for people that aren't scumhunting (even if you are using it for a purpose), and it fluffs your filter up.
Take a look at your own filter at the start of the game.
Do you want to stand behind this statement?
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Also where has Holyflre done pre-flip association reads?
Could you show me those?
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Vote Count
Mocsta (0) - Artanis[Xp], raynpelikoneet
Derrida (1) - Mocsta, Artanis[Xp], GGTeMpLaR, Mocsta, Artanis[Xp]
GGTeMpLaR (0) raynpelikoneet
HolyFlare (1) Derrida
raynpelikoneet (1) Artanis[Xp]
Artanis[Xp] (1) raynpelikoneet
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
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