A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia - Page 65

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 09 2014 08:37 GMT

#1281

keeping up with the thread is quite different than catching up with it.
I have an answer but I know you aren't going to like it...

Right now my reads are all PoE based on townfeels. I filtered some people but they were all pretty obvious town (like WoS).

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 09 2014 08:39 GMT

#1282

I don't care if you call me scum and that does not make you scum. I want you to reason your opinions so i can see if they can possibly make sense from town perspective or not.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 09 2014 08:42 GMT

#1283

ofc you aren't scum rayn..
i get that you want to see my reasons, but honestly I don't have them yet.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 09 2014 08:44 GMT

#1284

Well then stop posting and try to look for them. Right now you are not helping much.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 09 2014 08:51 GMT

#1285

kushm4sta:

I know you are perfectly capable of making good logical arguments and reads as town. In 4 Persona you were the town MVP from N2 onwards. In Titanic 2 i shot you over Blazinghand/Artanis/Xatalos/three other people because you looked so town and because i thought you were most likely to solve the game after DarthPunk.

I also know you are not capable of making good logical arguments as mafia, because you just can't put yourself into the right mindset which is pretty evident from Extractor game.

Therefore your alignment is pretty easy to figure out and now, when the thread is not moving fast is a perfect time to prove your alignment if you are town. So please do so, for me.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 09 2014 09:04 GMT

#1286

I think Artanis has a fair chance of flipping scum as well:
He has a case on Cheesecake. I ask him to contribute to thrawn/WoS/Corazon. He says Corazon is the scummiest of those three people, gives a few scumpoints to WoS aswell, and doesn't understand thrawn's "scumminess". In this post:

On January 08 2014 21:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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I like this point.

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I also like this point. Scumpointsᵀᴹ to Cora.

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On January 08 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
@ yamato (mainly);

On January 08 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn:
Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.

WoS:
I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to.
1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2.
2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.

What he has done in this game is neither of those things.

Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today?
I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy.

I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum.

He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it.

So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy?

I agree here though I'd need to filter dive WoS again. I'm not sure this is something he'd do as town especially after being so active.

I can't really comment on the Thrawn case because I have no idea what the effects of drugs are as I've never really used them myself. In a vacuum it looks scummy as shit and I haven't really been impressed by the rest of his play.

Dunno when I'll be back, but I'll try to find time before the deadline.

He agrees with my reasoning for WoS to possibly be mafia (as he gives him scumpoints). The reasoning is WoS' "bullshit stance" on yamato which is quite clear from my post. However, when the thread sentiment leans towards lynching Corazon here's what Artanis does:

On January 09 2014 01:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd be willing to lynch Yamato but I'd rather get CC.

Bang, like a scumclaim.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 09 2014 09:06 GMT

#1287

Actually this puts Artanis as my top scumread. Slightly above thrawn.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 09 2014 09:19 GMT

#1288

yeah rayn that last quote is pretty damming. Like he needs to justify his vote for yamato by saying he'd rather get CC. That is a scummy way to try to justify your vote.

but yeah artanis he's my new top scumreaad too!

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 09 2014 09:25 GMT

#1289

Actually rayn, something that gives me pause.. remember in Titanic, artanis played scum much better than he is playing here if he is scum.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

January 09 2014 09:26 GMT

#1290

nvm what i just said. he bused that game and it's easy to look good as scum when you are busing.

justanothertownie

16327 Posts

January 09 2014 11:47 GMT

#1291

On January 09 2014 16:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm lecturing you assholes because you're all saying really stupid things like "day 1 countered wagons have to be town" and "if we kill a townie we just rinse and repeat"

If it didn't sound like you were all clueless I wouldn't have to keep yelling at you for forgetting the newbie guide.

Finally I know what your fucking problem was. Jesus dude I never suggested we should lynch CC - I just told you what happened if we did and he flipped town. Can you stop calling me dumb for reaching the same conclusion you made now? Thanks.

On January 09 2014 16:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Not really, no. At least i don't. I don't think your reasons for thinking thrawn is scum are good because you can't tell thrawn's alignment based on what Corazon says about him and the "buddying one guy and not the other people" thingy is just meh but i don't have pa roblem with you because i think thrawn is scum.

I don't really understand why gumshoe is insisting on the weaker points against thrawn that much (I see no scum motivation here but it is weird). I think the arguments against him are quite clear:

- he voted cora
- he unvoted when the cora wagon got momentum
- he instantly started to defend cora hard and did nothing else for a while (weird thing to do when you apparently had a scumread on this person shortly before)
- he tried to fuel the only realistic counterwagon (yamato)
- he disappeared when it didn't happen

Of course you can argue that Cora did not fight him the way he attacked other people who called him out and I saw that quite a few times when mafia is bussing but I don't think that is the strongest point here.

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

January 09 2014 12:00 GMT

#1292

~~About 12 hours to deadline. Remember to send any actions to all hosts.~~

This is obviously now irrelevant.

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

January 09 2014 12:47 GMT

#1293

Endgame

I might recycle this flavour sometime in the future, in a hopefully less abortive game. I hope what you've seen so far was entertaining.

Mr. Cheesecake the Mafia Godfather has been modkilled!
Artanis[Xp] the Mafia Roleblocker has conceded!

Town wins!

Obs QT
Mafia can post their QT if they so wish.

Roles and actions:
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iamperfection - Doctor
Corazon - Mafia Goon
kushm4sta - Vanilla Townie
yamato77 - Vanilla Townie
wherebugsgo - Vanilla Townie
raynpelikoneet - Vanilla Townie
Mr. Cheesecake - Mafia Godfather
justanothertownie - Vanilla Townie
gumshoe - Vanilla Townie
Artanis[Xp] - Mafia Roleblocker
WaveofShadow - 1-Shot Roleblocker
thrawn2112 - Vanilla Townie
mkfuba07 - 1-Shot Vigilante

I didn't think it was fair to town to let the Mr. Cheesecake slot be replaced into, given the posts he'd made after his statement he was asking for replacement which "confirmed" him as town.

(One wonders how effective "dick-move analysis" is, really... I was tempted to replace the slot and watch you not lynch it for two weeks as an object lesson, but that would have been pretty un-fun. Hopefully the lesson is learned anyway.)

With one mafioso lynched and another modkilled Artanis felt he was practically in an unwinnable position, so I've accepted his resignation.

It's unfortunate that the game has ended this way, but letting it drag on further (no matter what the decision about the Mr. Cheesecake slot) didn't seem like it would be fun for anybody.

In future I think I'll make the rules about talking about replacement in the thread even more crystal-clear.

I hope you all enjoyed playing this game, even though it was cut short. I've personally enjoyed reading it more than many games of late.

Thanks to:
[UoN]Sentinel and Alakaslam for cohosting
Foolishness for vetting the setup
All of you for playing an entertaining game
Artanis for graciously accepting the modkill of his scumbuddy

I would appreciate any feedback on the setup and moderation of this game, I still have things to learn

Also, I suspect this is the shortest 13p normal game on record. So we've made history, I guess.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 09 2014 12:51 GMT

#1294

lol

Aquanim

Australia2849 Posts

January 09 2014 12:51 GMT

#1295

yeah that pretty much sums it up

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

January 09 2014 12:52 GMT

#1296

wot m8

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

January 09 2014 12:54 GMT

#1297

What the actual fuck

I was about to make a post about how I no longer trust 'dick move analysis' anymore as well...

Um

Gg I guess?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 09 2014 12:54 GMT

#1298

Insta re-roll roles and go?

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12971 Posts

January 09 2014 12:55 GMT

#1299

Our QT features 31 posts of which about 10 are Aquanim. I'm not sure it's worth posting.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

January 09 2014 13:03 GMT

#1300

This is why you should not, ever, say you're looking to be replaced in thread. It's a total no-go.

Compounded by giving out "reads" after you've said you're going to get yourself replaced.

Just don't do that, ever, under any circumstances.

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