• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:41
CEST 13:41
KST 20:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon100Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?179Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9
StarCraft 2
General
Yamato Cup Series StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Has online-only competition during the pandemic changed your enjoyment of pro SC2? How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026?
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week #92
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice
Brood War
General
Remastered crash fix suggestions New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Syncronization issues and can't find games a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Game Theory for Starcraft
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Post Your Watch!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Virtual Romance, Real-Life C…
TrAiDoS
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9226 users

A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia - Page 6

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 13 Next All
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 12:11 GMT
#688
God Artanis i finally get what you are saying about Cheesecake. Please stop with the scumpoint shit, it's really confusing. I'll go now check Cheesecake and if i agree with you.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 12:17 GMT
#690
Actually you are right. CheeseCake forms a scumread on you based on your posts between 7th 11:00 (where he states he has a null read on you) - 8th 01:00 (where he votes for you). His reasoning is your posts towards him (he literally says "because Artanis wouldn't play nice with me"). The problem is you make no posts towards him during that time, the only thing you do is you clarify your thoguht process to me.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 12:20 GMT
#691
If you are still here i would like to hear why you do not find the iamp case worth discussing.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 12:25 GMT
#694
So you have now Cora, gumshoe, WoS and Cheesecake as scum.
Which of the names does not belong here and which one is the strongest?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 12:32 GMT
#697
Yeah that's what i thought, and now i remember you said that about gumshoe. For some reason your posts are really hard for me to understand in this game, especially all the posts during the you-gumshoe-CC argument. Idk why that is but i promise to try better.

Anyways the case on CC is good and if he does not answer it reasonably he's a candidate for being lynched today.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 12:47 GMT
#698
On January 08 2014 18:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn comments on WoS and iamp cases?


The points you brought up about WoS are outweighed by the effort put into the rest of his filter. I'm not sure what the case against iamp is other than him being lazy and not explaining his reasons. That doesn't make me think iamp's scum at all because town iamp likes his short and lazy posts. But in this game, the case is that he's slightly less coherent? I don't see a big enough distinction between his play in this game and in his past town games to accept this read.

This is something i really dislike. Even the worst scumplayer in the world does not slip in every post and has townie posts. You can't just sweep scummy stuff under the rug and say "but he has done townie things too". This is also not how you usually operate, so care to explain why you are doing this here?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 14:22 GMT
#704
That's not what he is saying.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 14:25 GMT
#706
He is saying he played intentionally slowly (which =/= scummy) and that your reasoning for votehopping from yamato -> WoS -> yamato looks like you are looking for a lynch target rather than figuring out what people's alignments are.

I actually agree with him to some extent, especially because of your actions regarding voting / unvoting WoS.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 14:38 GMT
#717
On January 08 2014 23:26 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is saying he played intentionally slowly (which =/= scummy) and that your reasoning for votehopping from yamato -> WoS -> yamato looks like you are looking for a lynch target rather than figuring out what people's alignments are.

I actually agree with him to some extent, especially because of your actions regarding voting / unvoting WoS.

bs i stated my reasons for voting wos when i did i reacted to what i saw. That is not scummy in the slightest.

Your vote on WoS was reasonable because i thought the same thing you and kush did when you reacted to his post. The thing i find scummy is when WoS interacted with people after that you retracted from the vote back to yamato for reasons that were "well at least WoS is here talking but yamato is not".

If you really thought WoS is scummy why didn't you keep your vote on him and pressure him about his scummy post(s)? This is exactly what i was trying to say to WBG, you did the exact thing i was worried about people voting for yamato when he earlier on promised to contribute when he had more time.

To me that seems like you did not even care about WoS' alignment, because why would you not keep your vote on him if you think he did something scummy? Why did you not want to hear more from him? If you give him a "free pass" by rectracting your pressure/vote what does that achieve?
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 14:52 GMT
#725
On January 08 2014 16:59 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
@ yamato (mainly);


On January 08 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn:
Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.

WoS:
I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to.
1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2.
2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.

What he has done in this game is neither of those things.

Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today?
I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy.

I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum.

He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it.

So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy?



I agree with your read on iamp to some extent. Not confident enough to say he is scum but want to see more from him - especially now that you started contributing.

That's a good point against WoS, and many just reinforces my claim that he's mafia having a really hard time talking his way on top my wagon without looking super suspicious doing it.

I do want to see more from iamp, but I'm predicting a future where he comes in and continues to call me mafia, only now it's because of my attack on him. Repeat this for Corazon, neither player does anything else today but try to get me lynched.

I may like WoS as a lynch more now that you bring up that point.

yamato why are you indeed dropping your read on iamp, you said a while ago you predict that's what scum!iamp would do and that's exactly what he did.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 14:53 GMT
#726
On a sidenote i really don't think WoS has made a lot of sense.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 14:54 GMT
#728
iamp and bugs, talk to me about thrawn.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 14:55 GMT
#729
##unvote;
##Vote: yamato77

Yeah the quote i brought up is really terrible.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 14:56 GMT
#731
Not really WoS, no. You're not getting lynched today either way so i'd rather not waste time on it now instead of the people i see possibly getting lynched.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 14:56 GMT
#732
..besides, that's all in thread.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 15:00 GMT
#736
I'd lynch Cheesecake or Corazon over you 100% even if yamato somehow redeems himself.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 15:01 GMT
#737
This is basically what i was looking for getting an answer to:
On January 08 2014 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 18:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
On January 08 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn comments on WoS and iamp cases?


The points you brought up about WoS are outweighed by the effort put into the rest of his filter. I'm not sure what the case against iamp is other than him being lazy and not explaining his reasons. That doesn't make me think iamp's scum at all because town iamp likes his short and lazy posts. But in this game, the case is that he's slightly less coherent? I don't see a big enough distinction between his play in this game and in his past town games to accept this read.

This is something i really dislike. Even the worst scumplayer in the world does not slip in every post and has townie posts. You can't just sweep scummy stuff under the rug and say "but he has done townie things too". This is also not how you usually operate, so care to explain why you are doing this here?

table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 15:05 GMT
#740
I mean, if townie posts would outweigh scummy ones probably ~90% of players would by default never be lynched. If you are so bad as scum you continuously make over 50% scummy posts of your total posts you should reconsider if mafia is the right game for you.

I also know for a fact hat's not how thrawn usually thinks, in fact i have never seen such a bad argument for answering a case from him.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 15:06 GMT
#741
On January 09 2014 00:03 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'd lynch Cheesecake or Corazon over you 100% even if yamato somehow redeems himself.

wat

I don't understand what you do not understand.
table for two on a tv tray
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 08 2014 15:08 GMT
#744
On January 09 2014 00:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
Rayn, despite being focused on thrawn you stated you'd rather lynch CC and Cora before WoS (so I'm assuming Yamato comes first)

Why was thrawn not in there?

Because i don't think thrawn is as scummy as WoS, or pretty much falls into the same "wtf category" atm.
I am asking your opinions about thrawn because you have given your opinions on WoS already. I think the CC case is pretty clear and that's Artanis' case, i want him to push it.
table for two on a tv tray
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IntoTheTV X SOOP
11:00
Monthly #1 - Day 2
herO vs SHINLIVE!
Percival vs ByuN
IntoTheiNu 968
CranKy Ducklings SOOP54
Rex14
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko338
BRAT_OK 43
Rex 14
EnDerr 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38812
Hyuk 2077
Shuttle 743
Soulkey 406
Rush 307
actioN 303
Stork 236
Soma 215
Mini 198
EffOrt 196
[ Show more ]
Leta 166
Larva 135
Dewaltoss 116
Zeus 101
Pusan 100
Killer 89
Barracks 55
Sea.KH 42
sorry 36
ToSsGirL 34
Aegong 28
sSak 28
hero 25
Sharp 23
soO 19
Yoon 18
yabsab 17
Sexy 11
SilentControl 11
Noble 10
JulyZerg 5
Counter-Strike
edward50
Other Games
singsing1347
DeMusliM233
Pyrionflax180
OGKoka 101
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick958
BasetradeTV68
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH353
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1932
Other Games
• WagamamaTV214
Upcoming Events
RotterdaM Event
4h 34m
Replay Cast
12h 19m
GSL
23h 19m
Replay Cast
1d 12h
GSL
1d 23h
Shopify Rebellion Sundays
2 days
Spirit vs Mixu
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Shine vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.