God Artanis i finally get what you are saying about Cheesecake. Please stop with the scumpoint shit, it's really confusing. I'll go now check Cheesecake and if i agree with you.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 12:17 GMT

#690

Actually you are right. CheeseCake forms a scumread on you based on your posts between 7th 11:00 (where he states he has a null read on you) - 8th 01:00 (where he votes for you). His reasoning is your posts towards him (he literally says "because Artanis wouldn't play nice with me"). The problem is you make no posts towards him during that time, the only thing you do is you clarify your thoguht process to me.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 12:20 GMT

#691

If you are still here i would like to hear why you do not find the iamp case worth discussing.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 12:25 GMT

#694

So you have now Cora, gumshoe, WoS and Cheesecake as scum.
Which of the names does not belong here and which one is the strongest?

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 12:32 GMT

#697

Yeah that's what i thought, and now i remember you said that about gumshoe. For some reason your posts are really hard for me to understand in this game, especially all the posts during the you-gumshoe-CC argument. Idk why that is but i promise to try better.

Anyways the case on CC is good and if he does not answer it reasonably he's a candidate for being lynched today.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 12:47 GMT

#698

On January 08 2014 18:12 thrawn2112 wrote:

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The points you brought up about WoS are outweighed by the effort put into the rest of his filter. I'm not sure what the case against iamp is other than him being lazy and not explaining his reasons. That doesn't make me think iamp's scum at all because town iamp likes his short and lazy posts. But in this game, the case is that he's slightly less coherent? I don't see a big enough distinction between his play in this game and in his past town games to accept this read.

This is something i really dislike. Even the worst scumplayer in the world does not slip in every post and has townie posts. You can't just sweep scummy stuff under the rug and say "but he has done townie things too". This is also not how you usually operate, so care to explain why you are doing this here?

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 14:22 GMT

#704

That's not what he is saying.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 14:25 GMT

#706

He is saying he played intentionally slowly (which =/= scummy) and that your reasoning for votehopping from yamato -> WoS -> yamato looks like you are looking for a lynch target rather than figuring out what people's alignments are.

I actually agree with him to some extent, especially because of your actions regarding voting / unvoting WoS.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 14:38 GMT

#717

On January 08 2014 23:26 iamperfection wrote:

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bs i stated my reasons for voting wos when i did i reacted to what i saw. That is not scummy in the slightest.

Your vote on WoS was reasonable because i thought the same thing you and kush did when you reacted to his post. The thing i find scummy is when WoS interacted with people after that you retracted from the vote back to yamato for reasons that were "well at least WoS is here talking but yamato is not".

If you really thought WoS is scummy why didn't you keep your vote on him and pressure him about his scummy post(s)? This is exactly what i was trying to say to WBG, you did the exact thing i was worried about people voting for yamato when he earlier on promised to contribute when he had more time.

To me that seems like you did not even care about WoS' alignment, because why would you not keep your vote on him if you think he did something scummy? Why did you not want to hear more from him? If you give him a "free pass" by rectracting your pressure/vote what does that achieve?

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 14:52 GMT

#725

On January 08 2014 16:59 yamato77 wrote:

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On January 08 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
@ yamato (mainly);

On January 08 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn:
Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.

WoS:
I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to.
1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2.
2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.

What he has done in this game is neither of those things.

Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today?
I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy.

I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum.

He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it.

So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy?

I agree with your read on iamp to some extent. Not confident enough to say he is scum but want to see more from him - especially now that you started contributing.

That's a good point against WoS, and many just reinforces my claim that he's mafia having a really hard time talking his way on top my wagon without looking super suspicious doing it.

I do want to see more from iamp, but I'm predicting a future where he comes in and continues to call me mafia, only now it's because of my attack on him. Repeat this for Corazon, neither player does anything else today but try to get me lynched.

I may like WoS as a lynch more now that you bring up that point.

yamato why are you indeed dropping your read on iamp, you said a while ago you predict that's what scum!iamp would do and that's exactly what he did.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 14:53 GMT

#726

On a sidenote i really don't think WoS has made a lot of sense.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 14:54 GMT

#728

iamp and bugs, talk to me about thrawn.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 14:55 GMT

#729

##unvote;
##Vote: yamato77
Yeah the quote i brought up is really terrible.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 14:56 GMT

#731

Not really WoS, no. You're not getting lynched today either way so i'd rather not waste time on it now instead of the people i see possibly getting lynched.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 14:56 GMT

#732

..besides, that's all in thread.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 15:00 GMT

#736

I'd lynch Cheesecake or Corazon over you 100% even if yamato somehow redeems himself.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 15:01 GMT

#737

This is basically what i was looking for getting an answer to:

On January 08 2014 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 15:05 GMT

#740

I mean, if townie posts would outweigh scummy ones probably ~90% of players would by default never be lynched. If you are so bad as scum you continuously make over 50% scummy posts of your total posts you should reconsider if mafia is the right game for you.

I also know for a fact hat's not how thrawn usually thinks, in fact i have never seen such a bad argument for answering a case from him.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 15:06 GMT

#741

On January 09 2014 00:03 iamperfection wrote:

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wat

I don't understand what you do not understand.

raynpelikoneet

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January 08 2014 15:08 GMT

#744

On January 09 2014 00:06 wherebugsgo wrote:
Rayn, despite being focused on thrawn you stated you'd rather lynch CC and Cora before WoS (so I'm assuming Yamato comes first)

Why was thrawn not in there?

Because i don't think thrawn is as scummy as WoS, or pretty much falls into the same "wtf category" atm.
I am asking your opinions about thrawn because you have given your opinions on WoS already. I think the CC case is pretty clear and that's Artanis' case, i want him to push it.