EPTA Quiet Game of Mini Mafia - Page 57
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yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
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wherebugsgo
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On January 09 2014 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: WBG, tell me how me coming back straight before deadline when Cora scumclaimed makes any sense as scum. He literally claimed scum by the time I voted him. How would I gain anything out of it as scum myself? It's pretty irrelevant, lots of scum vote switch when they know a partner is guaranteed to be dead just so their vote ends up in the "right" place in the end. I can't count the number of times I've had to tell shitty teammates to stop worrying about where their vote ends up because near lynch time they start squealing about how they're gonna look bad if their vote stays where it is. The simple fact is that I don't think there are more than maybe 3-4 scum players on this forum who really would understand that and not worry about it consistently. | ||
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yamato77
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wherebugsgo
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On January 09 2014 09:28 yamato77 wrote: Also, unless you think our (theoretical) plan as scum was to hard bus each other and be the only real wagons D1, I consider myself confirmed town from this point forward. Not that I am going to stop solving the game, but that I expect people to stop accusing me and actually converse with me about my reads until such time as I am shot by mafia. stfu you're confirmed nothing at this point. If the vote was between two scum yesterday the incentive to bus would have been incredibly strong. So no, your alignment is completely divorced from corazon and the fact that you would dare try to use his flip in such a manner without actually having done anything is incredibly scummy. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Don't try to pretend that us pressuring you into providing a corazon vote was actually you pushing corazon independently. I'm sure had anyone been dumb enough to agree with you on iamperfection you would never have bothered switching to Cora. | ||
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yamato77
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On January 09 2014 09:32 wherebugsgo wrote: stfu you're confirmed nothing at this point. If the vote was between two scum yesterday the incentive to bus would have been incredibly strong. So no, your alignment is completely divorced from corazon and the fact that you would dare try to use his flip in such a manner without actually having done anything is incredibly scummy. whatever dude, we're not lynching me you don't lynch the counterwagon to scum the day after you lynch scum. plus, he called me mafia extremely early on and voted me. like I said, for this to be the case, we would literally have had to have planned it from the beginning. | ||
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yamato77
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On January 09 2014 09:34 wherebugsgo wrote: also you didn't push him until it was amply clear that your case on iamperfection wasn't going to fly. Don't try to pretend that us pressuring you into providing a corazon vote was actually you pushing corazon independently. I'm sure had anyone been dumb enough to agree with you on iamperfection you would never have bothered switching to Cora. iamp was the reason I switched off iamp but whatever, just don't go into D2 thinking you're going to lynch me and let me play the game independent of all of you yelling at me. | ||
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Aquanim
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On January 09 2014 09:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: It would also be really nice if the votes were in correct order, as in who voted the first and so on. I was in a hurry at the time, I'll go back and fix it. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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yamato77
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On January 09 2014 09:39 wherebugsgo wrote: no, you're just wrong. I honestly can't tell if you truly believe that, because I for a fact know how bad scum players are so readily willing to bus their teammates at the hint of weakness. This happens even early in games, simply because certain players are too bad to understand how omniscience taints their ability to understand the strength of a townie's read. whatever if you REALLY still think I could be scum after that flip, you're seriously paranoid | ||
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gumshoe
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On January 09 2014 09:14 wherebugsgo wrote: That last bit by gumshoe and artanis, both were scummy as shit. The last thing I'd expect a townie to do is dump a massive post right before deadline that summarizes all his reads for no good reason and then royally waste his vote. Bold: I am no man. Oh well, onto more important matters. Cora gave had some interesting interactions with Thrawn Stop stop stop stop stop Rayn and Thrawn. Thrawn - lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea. If Rayn is town, he is going to be a great asset to us going forward. He should be a policy lynch if he lasts longer than N2. Indication of how scum were planning to play things out? @Thrawn I think you two have had decent contributions to the scumhunt and frankly, I see your back-and-forth b/w you and Rayn to be town on town. I also would hate to lynch Rayn D1. It would just be bad play overall, barring a scum claim from him. Makes an attempt at improving Thrawns standing by associating him with a far townier player ( Rayn) I honestly can't remember what standard I held you to in BttB. I actually forgot that you were in BttB. Your town play consists of switching your reads every 5 minutes so I thought you were being serious about most of your reads. I just read the two pages and told you guys to stop without reading the post right about mine. Usually when Rayn gets in a spat with someone, it lasts for a really long time. In my opinion, lynching Rayn D1 is a bad idea for reasons I've stated already. I don't mean every single word literally T.T Comes under fire but seems reluctant to return aggression, something I'd always thought we could count on coming from Cora. Yeah, I made that post in a bit of haste. I really just said it because I knew that there were a lot better targets for a lynch than you. I just wanted to make up a reason for it because every time I say something, WoS and WBG try to manipulate it so I look scummy. I was pretty sick of it, so I just made a statement that couldn't be twisted. What I really should have said there was that there were a lot better targets than you. I haven't been ignoring any questions. I left before you posted that question and then I asked if there were any questions specifically to see if you wanted an answer to your specific question. Again, while responding to aggression he replies surprisingly reasonably. Heres an interesting moment. You just used meta to call thrawn town. Why are you contradicting yourself? EBWOP: Iamp, not thrawn. He mixes up Iamp with thrawn... Thrawn sure is on Coras mind alot. Cora seems to be pretty confident in Thrawn as a town read, for no real reason, as Thrawn himself has pointed out. Thrawn throws quite a bit of aggression Coras way for this and other matters but Cora rarely returns fire ) : Something hes been more than willing to do insofar. Why would Kora buddy up with a relatively uninfluential townie? Perhaps, expecting to get lynched, he intentionally planted seeds of doubt via these interactions? Meh, that play seems unlikely coming out of him ) :. To Thrawns credit, he was more than willing to lynch the goon, but is bussing Cora that bad a move ((insert period if cynical) as scum when theres already a bit of heat on the pyre? He was also more than willing to see Yamato die as well, and likely woulda gone that route as scum had the vote been willing. ##Eventual vote for: Thrawn | ||
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iamperfection
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yamato77
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justanothertownie
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gumshoe
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justanothertownie
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On January 09 2014 03:44 thrawn2112 wrote: the problem is I no longer want to lynch corazon The next 10 posts coming after this in his filter are all defense of Cora and after that all he does is trying to get yamato lynched before disappearing when it didn't work. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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I'd put him now at a decent chance to be scum but some things he has said are just almost too dumb to be scum. Others seem like white lies, while his tone seems so non confrontational and the content of his posts is just nebulous and surface-descriptive. At the beginning he, in his own words, begged to be seen on his own merits as a player, though throughout the day he basically did nothing worth keeping him alive for. All of his interactions with Cora are fucking weird too. On January 07 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote: Probs roles scum every game  sides, I'm pretty sure he thinks I'm scum and is just trying to lul me to sleep in order to coordinate a midnight lynch. ( I know this isn't majority lynch, but I'm sure rayn will find a way XD) That said, It is late here and I plan to finally catch spl tomorrow so gl all, I will leave my reads though case I die inexplicably. Leaning scummy on cheesecake, don't like the way he asked me about Artanis in voice, it was done in a really neutral way but left the door open for me to use it as an opportunity to attack Artanis. Basically I read it more as him trying to start a fight than him feeling out our alignments. He's very active but hasn't really contributed much, and is very eager to buddy up with talkative townies ( me and especially Artanis who cheesecake despreatly tried to repair relations with after he "misread" one of artanis's posts.) his filter includes lurker discussion in a game so far without actual lurkers, extreme buddying, and goofiness long after the time of goofballs has ended and very little honest scum hunting. Iamp leaning scummy cause of the aggressive way he called out Yamato, Rayn wos Yamato neutral cause not enough to go on. Cora scummy cause I don't like his face. Artanis townie cause he is actually trying to shape up town and he makes sense. Also he thinks I'm scum, which makes me more confident he's town. Question for readers: What incentive does a town player, no matter how shitty, have for making a read that is literally "I think this guy is scummy" Just completely out of the blue, no context, no previous mention, no specific (or even vague) reasoning. I see townies dump read posts pretty often but at the very least they have some semblance of reasoning. Not here, though. Whatever reasoning he does give is garbage anyway. But again, I can't tell whether this is just a bad townie or a bad scum. It's definitely bad something. It just makes no sense from a town perspective to me. On January 07 2014 12:22 gumshoe wrote: I don't really think your scum, I just don't like you ATM, and I don't think conversation between us would yield much seeing as we're both resolved to be hostile to one another ( or at least you are yah big jerk ) oh and if you did turn out to be scum I'd be pleasantly surprised ( : Even more perplexing. Note that Cora didn't respond to gumshoe calling him scum the same way he responded to others calling him scum. With others he was openly hostile. Here, it's basically just a smily of confusion. The post before his reentrance (the read dump and WoS vote) in which he basically says he doesn't want to comment on Corazon because he doesn't know how (based on his aggression and other things) was also a little strange to me. Now, for the last post, which I think is actually the most interesting of all: On January 09 2014 09:10 gumshoe wrote: XD, I dont know what it is, but every game I actually play as town, at one point or another I get irrationally mad at a player, who always turns out to be scum 0_0. Maybe I should listen to that feeling more. A great player once told me that one of the first things you should do following a flip is examine everyone's reactions. This right here is very interesting, because it suggests that gumshoe was mad at coral on. This is the first time I'm hearing of it-it wasn't apparent from the thread at all based on what gumshoe said about corazon or how he interacted with him that he was ever "irrationally mad" at him. So, unless this was completely private, this is probably strong evidence that gumshoe is just faking. Thoughts? | ||
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justanothertownie
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