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On January 09 2014 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 05:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In efforts to straighten this thread out from the shitflinging contest that it is: here are reads.
Corazon - Senseless, yelling at people, calling people scum. It's difficult to formulate a decent read on him without factoring in the douchebaggery involved. Do scum act like this often? Or is this something specifically attributed to Corazon? If anyone has a scum corazon game on hand I'd like to see it.
@Cora
I want you to calm down. Give us your top scumreads with 2-3 reasons why for each. Honestly the sense is just strew apart in the thread, maybe it's there if I can get a consolidated post. You've been a bitch to me already for no reason, and I have no problem lynching you. If you're town I want the best reads you can give me.
Yamato - I think he's town. Based on extractor I don't see a reason he cant be town here, and lynching him day 1 is probably a mistake.
JAT - leaning scum. When I was arguing with rayn about the semantic thing (which, by the way, people have to stop saying shit thats confusing) he jumped right on with a few posts to bolster the argument which was clearly false. I also didn't like how he fought with bugs about the kush thing. It also looks like he misinterpreted my-artanis interaction at the beginning of the day which didn't make sense to me.
Rayn - Probably town, though Idk what rayn scum looks like. He tunnels on cora and bullshits at him which is fine (well.. w.e.). I am really hesitant about listening to his reasoning after extractor.
Thrawn - looks town, would bang.
Artanis - Idk where the hell he went after voting me for crap reasons. Tunneled onto me for similarly crap reasons. Would lynch if anyone is down.
So right now I'm looking at JAT/Artanis or a policy of cora/kush. - Read on yamato is not a read. "I can't see why he can't be town" - Read on JAT is so bullshit it probably comes out of CC's ears. That's the worst reasoning for a read i have seen in this game because every single thing is so wrong. - Read on me is not a read. Discrediting me for bullshit reasons, i would have lynched mafia on D2 if idiots didn't hammer yamato. - Read on thrawn is bullshit. - Read on Artanis is bullshit because CC did scummy stuff, then Artanis called him out for it. After that CC changed his reasoning to something else, but later on went back to the original reasoning for no reason. It's just so stupid and every other post the reasoning for Artanis being mafia changes from one thing to another. Suppose we lynched Cheese. He flips town. What happens then? Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 05:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In efforts to straighten this thread out from the shitflinging contest that it is: here are reads.
Corazon - Senseless, yelling at people, calling people scum. It's difficult to formulate a decent read on him without factoring in the douchebaggery involved. Do scum act like this often? Or is this something specifically attributed to Corazon? If anyone has a scum corazon game on hand I'd like to see it.
@Cora
I want you to calm down. Give us your top scumreads with 2-3 reasons why for each. Honestly the sense is just strew apart in the thread, maybe it's there if I can get a consolidated post. You've been a bitch to me already for no reason, and I have no problem lynching you. If you're town I want the best reads you can give me.
Yamato - I think he's town. Based on extractor I don't see a reason he cant be town here, and lynching him day 1 is probably a mistake.
JAT - leaning scum. When I was arguing with rayn about the semantic thing (which, by the way, people have to stop saying shit thats confusing) he jumped right on with a few posts to bolster the argument which was clearly false. I also didn't like how he fought with bugs about the kush thing. It also looks like he misinterpreted my-artanis interaction at the beginning of the day which didn't make sense to me.
Rayn - Probably town, though Idk what rayn scum looks like. He tunnels on cora and bullshits at him which is fine (well.. w.e.). I am really hesitant about listening to his reasoning after extractor.
Thrawn - looks town, would bang.
Artanis - Idk where the hell he went after voting me for crap reasons. Tunneled onto me for similarly crap reasons. Would lynch if anyone is down.
So right now I'm looking at JAT/Artanis or a policy of cora/kush. - Read on yamato is not a read. "I can't see why he can't be town" - Read on JAT is so bullshit it probably comes out of CC's ears. That's the worst reasoning for a read i have seen in this game because every single thing is so wrong. - Read on me is not a read. Discrediting me for bullshit reasons, i would have lynched mafia on D2 if idiots didn't hammer yamato. - Read on thrawn is bullshit. - Read on Artanis is bullshit because CC did scummy stuff, then Artanis called him out for it. After that CC changed his reasoning to something else, but later on went back to the original reasoning for no reason. It's just so stupid and every other post the reasoning for Artanis being mafia changes from one thing to another. Suppose we lynched Cheese. He flips town. What happens then? Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. Someone's reads being bad or badly reasoned are not enough to call them scum and lynch them unless they have a history of being good AND if the reasoning is clearly bad despite there being good evidence for them to have good reads in the same situation. There are plenty of townies who don't often catch that many scum who often don't get lynched despite being called bad every game, because you don't just lynch someone for having bad reads. You also don't nonchalantly say that it's their fault for getting lynched after you fuck up and lynch them for the wrong reasons, cause it's the voters' faults. You asked a question and I answered it. If we lynched CC right now pretty much the only thing we would learn is his alignment. EXACTLY I'm trying to avoid frothing at the mouth at rayn's vote on CC for precisely this fucking reason. We don't achieve anything by lynching CC now, the vote is fucking wasted because we spent all day pressuring TWO OTHER PLAYERS. How do you people take so long to fucking understand this?? I've been saying we need to consolidate for over 12 hours now. The town has gone to shit because of the few players we have they are completely unwilling to listen and cooperate. Instead we have a shitfest like every other minute. Killing Corazon will probably rid ourselves of a significant amount of the shitposting, given that he's managed to piss off myself, rayn, WoS, and basically everyone else he's talked to. Killing kush would probably accomplish a similar thing but he's actually easier to ignore and harder to read. I don't understand you. You posted the question - I answered exactly the way you think yourself and I am scummy for it. uh what I didn't call you scummy. Your self fixation is starting to bother me a bit. What the hell man...
I should have been clearer.
I'd ordinarily call you scummy, but I was merely tempted because I think you just legitimately don't know better.
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On January 09 2014 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't feel nearly as good about lynching Cora for policy reasons than i do kush, so at the very least I'd like to try and come to terms with it if I'll be switching my vote or even better, actually determine if he is scum. (yeah I get that the shitposting would be toned down a little but again, knowing he's actually attempting to contribute and post, despite enraging so many of us makes it harder for me. By comparison kush manages to enrage me by barely posting/what little posting he does.)
What it comes down to for me is mainly his behaviour here. The weird tunneling and nitpicking of one particular thing and not letting it go, the almost intentional baiting/stupidity/lying...? If this is intentional then Cora is scum without a doubt. Like I said earlier somewhere though would a town Cora have gotten angrier? Shit things up even harder? Is he picking these fights on purpose and/or remaining...calmer and more measured than i would expect because of recent attempts to tone down his behaviour? I'm not super confident on either side of the lynch, which is sad, but the lynch gives us more to work on than anything else. Supposing he is town, giving Cora time is probably not going to benefit us at all. In fact, the sooner we kill him probably the better at least for town atmosphere regardless of what alignment he is. on the other hand, giving yamato a day will almost certainly help us read his alignment better, and yamato isn't actively destructive to town. He at worst is about as bad as a scummy lurker-being hard to lynch through subpar activity as opposed to being destructive. And this is all, granted, from what I understand and have witnessed of his play as scum. As town I know he has the potential to be contributory, so assuming he can get over his demoralization he can definitely be an asset. If at the end of night and 12-24 hours into tomorrow he still continues his current trend we can just kill him then. 36 hours is a long time for things to happen, so many things can change by then.
Alright well this convinces me of Cora over yamato because you are certainly correct in giving yamato time is a wiser choice than giving Cora time, but what of kush?
What does giving him time accomplish?
(And again, to a lesser extent gumshoe at some point)
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On January 09 2014 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 05:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In efforts to straighten this thread out from the shitflinging contest that it is: here are reads.
Corazon - Senseless, yelling at people, calling people scum. It's difficult to formulate a decent read on him without factoring in the douchebaggery involved. Do scum act like this often? Or is this something specifically attributed to Corazon? If anyone has a scum corazon game on hand I'd like to see it.
@Cora
I want you to calm down. Give us your top scumreads with 2-3 reasons why for each. Honestly the sense is just strew apart in the thread, maybe it's there if I can get a consolidated post. You've been a bitch to me already for no reason, and I have no problem lynching you. If you're town I want the best reads you can give me.
Yamato - I think he's town. Based on extractor I don't see a reason he cant be town here, and lynching him day 1 is probably a mistake.
JAT - leaning scum. When I was arguing with rayn about the semantic thing (which, by the way, people have to stop saying shit thats confusing) he jumped right on with a few posts to bolster the argument which was clearly false. I also didn't like how he fought with bugs about the kush thing. It also looks like he misinterpreted my-artanis interaction at the beginning of the day which didn't make sense to me.
Rayn - Probably town, though Idk what rayn scum looks like. He tunnels on cora and bullshits at him which is fine (well.. w.e.). I am really hesitant about listening to his reasoning after extractor.
Thrawn - looks town, would bang.
Artanis - Idk where the hell he went after voting me for crap reasons. Tunneled onto me for similarly crap reasons. Would lynch if anyone is down.
So right now I'm looking at JAT/Artanis or a policy of cora/kush. - Read on yamato is not a read. "I can't see why he can't be town" - Read on JAT is so bullshit it probably comes out of CC's ears. That's the worst reasoning for a read i have seen in this game because every single thing is so wrong. - Read on me is not a read. Discrediting me for bullshit reasons, i would have lynched mafia on D2 if idiots didn't hammer yamato. - Read on thrawn is bullshit. - Read on Artanis is bullshit because CC did scummy stuff, then Artanis called him out for it. After that CC changed his reasoning to something else, but later on went back to the original reasoning for no reason. It's just so stupid and every other post the reasoning for Artanis being mafia changes from one thing to another. Suppose we lynched Cheese. He flips town. What happens then? Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. On January 09 2014 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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- Read on yamato is not a read. "I can't see why he can't be town"
- Read on JAT is so bullshit it probably comes out of CC's ears. That's the worst reasoning for a read i have seen in this game because every single thing is so wrong.
- Read on me is not a read. Discrediting me for bullshit reasons, i would have lynched mafia on D2 if idiots didn't hammer yamato.
- Read on thrawn is bullshit.
- Read on Artanis is bullshit because CC did scummy stuff, then Artanis called him out for it. After that CC changed his reasoning to something else, but later on went back to the original reasoning for no reason. It's just so stupid and every other post the reasoning for Artanis being mafia changes from one thing to another. Suppose we lynched Cheese. He flips town. What happens then? Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. Someone's reads being bad or badly reasoned are not enough to call them scum and lynch them unless they have a history of being good AND if the reasoning is clearly bad despite there being good evidence for them to have good reads in the same situation. There are plenty of townies who don't often catch that many scum who often don't get lynched despite being called bad every game, because you don't just lynch someone for having bad reads. You also don't nonchalantly say that it's their fault for getting lynched after you fuck up and lynch them for the wrong reasons, cause it's the voters' faults. You asked a question and I answered it. If we lynched CC right now pretty much the only thing we would learn is his alignment. EXACTLY I'm trying to avoid frothing at the mouth at rayn's vote on CC for precisely this fucking reason. We don't achieve anything by lynching CC now, the vote is fucking wasted because we spent all day pressuring TWO OTHER PLAYERS. How do you people take so long to fucking understand this?? I've been saying we need to consolidate for over 12 hours now. The town has gone to shit because of the few players we have they are completely unwilling to listen and cooperate. Instead we have a shitfest like every other minute. Killing Corazon will probably rid ourselves of a significant amount of the shitposting, given that he's managed to piss off myself, rayn, WoS, and basically everyone else he's talked to. Killing kush would probably accomplish a similar thing but he's actually easier to ignore and harder to read. I don't understand you. You posted the question - I answered exactly the way you think yourself and I am scummy for it. uh what I didn't call you scummy. Your self fixation is starting to bother me a bit. What the hell man... I should have been clearer. I'd ordinarily call you scummy, but I was merely tempted because I think you just legitimately don't know better.
What exactly don't I know better? You aren't making any sense.
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On January 09 2014 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Of course you should re-evaluate your reads but if people actually kept things simple as in how every townie should play:
1) establish your innocence
2) try to lynch mafia and only that
town would win every game. When you have a town that works together the town wins. When people are clear in their thoughts and clarify their thought process.
When you have people who only post half-assed comments, people who claim that they will not play, and people who are clearly not reading the thead and refuse to cooperate you already know you are going to lose the game if those people are alive at the end of the game. It doesn't even fucking matter if they are town, because they do not play towards town's win condition regardless of their alignment.
That's why those people get lynched, that's why i get angry, and that's why people hate me, because when i get angry i become mean towards those people - i can't stand people who sign up to games and don't even try to play. If you can post 2 posts / day phase and have time for no more do not fucking use that time to argue about semantics or something irrelevant, read the thread and make one coherent case on your top scumread and try to push it. That's it, even if you are wrong or miss some other stuff or fail to consolidate it shows you have a clear opinion and you stand behind it. If you give 8 half-assed reads which are not even reads or are not explained or that make no sense given what's actually happened in the game you are not trying to get scum lynched, you are trying to do something you can't possibly achieve if you are town. Who cares who is your #4 scumread, who cares if you do not like player X. You are here to lynch mafia and not for telling who is a cool guy and who is not.
And then people say, after doing that, "but i had no time to play". It makes me see red.
Again, I agree with you, but realistically you can only kill lurkers if you can afford to spare lynches on them.
When the number of people that you can reasonably read simply based on post activity numbers in the 40% range it's safe to say that you can't afford to lynch lurkers, because you basically can't differentiate them.
It's much better in this case to kill Corazon even if some people have doubts on him.
It's clear he's not going to contribute, as he's said nothing of original value despite showing in past games that he has the capability and despite being around practically all the time. Keeping him alive over Yamato is obviously suboptimal, because I think most people would probably agree that Yamato has a greater potential to be helpful to town anyway. Lastly more people are comfortable with his lynch than yamato, which isn't an amazing reason to lynch him, as people can be wrong, but at this point we have nothing better to go on.
It's hard to give lurkers an ultimatum when you have 3-4 lynches before losing and the number of lurkers is actually greater than that
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It's clear he's not going to contribute, as he's said nothing of original value despite showing in past games that he has the capability and despite being around practically all the time.
Basically this, and yes, i actually think Corazon is mafia, so i am not policy lynching here.
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On January 09 2014 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't feel nearly as good about lynching Cora for policy reasons than i do kush, so at the very least I'd like to try and come to terms with it if I'll be switching my vote or even better, actually determine if he is scum. (yeah I get that the shitposting would be toned down a little but again, knowing he's actually attempting to contribute and post, despite enraging so many of us makes it harder for me. By comparison kush manages to enrage me by barely posting/what little posting he does.)
What it comes down to for me is mainly his behaviour here. The weird tunneling and nitpicking of one particular thing and not letting it go, the almost intentional baiting/stupidity/lying...? If this is intentional then Cora is scum without a doubt. Like I said earlier somewhere though would a town Cora have gotten angrier? Shit things up even harder? Is he picking these fights on purpose and/or remaining...calmer and more measured than i would expect because of recent attempts to tone down his behaviour? I'm not super confident on either side of the lynch, which is sad, but the lynch gives us more to work on than anything else. Supposing he is town, giving Cora time is probably not going to benefit us at all. In fact, the sooner we kill him probably the better at least for town atmosphere regardless of what alignment he is. on the other hand, giving yamato a day will almost certainly help us read his alignment better, and yamato isn't actively destructive to town. He at worst is about as bad as a scummy lurker-being hard to lynch through subpar activity as opposed to being destructive. And this is all, granted, from what I understand and have witnessed of his play as scum. As town I know he has the potential to be contributory, so assuming he can get over his demoralization he can definitely be an asset. If at the end of night and 12-24 hours into tomorrow he still continues his current trend we can just kill him then. 36 hours is a long time for things to happen, so many things can change by then. Alright well this convinces me of Cora over yamato because you are certainly correct in giving yamato time is a wiser choice than giving Cora time, but what of kush? What does giving him time accomplish? (And again, to a lesser extent gumshoe at some point)
kush is like this literally every game regardless of his alignment.
No one has bothered to provide opinions on kush aside from flaming him, whereas almost everyone in the game has commented on Cora at some point. Regardless of how he flips this gives us something to work with. In addition, I would say that Corazon has been around more often and actually been more detrimental than kush has.
As for gumshoe at this point I don't even know if the mods will let him live. You can't read a player when they haven't bothered to play the game at all. Lynching them is worse than a coin flip.
On January 09 2014 06:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 05:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In efforts to straighten this thread out from the shitflinging contest that it is: here are reads.
Corazon - Senseless, yelling at people, calling people scum. It's difficult to formulate a decent read on him without factoring in the douchebaggery involved. Do scum act like this often? Or is this something specifically attributed to Corazon? If anyone has a scum corazon game on hand I'd like to see it.
@Cora
I want you to calm down. Give us your top scumreads with 2-3 reasons why for each. Honestly the sense is just strew apart in the thread, maybe it's there if I can get a consolidated post. You've been a bitch to me already for no reason, and I have no problem lynching you. If you're town I want the best reads you can give me.
Yamato - I think he's town. Based on extractor I don't see a reason he cant be town here, and lynching him day 1 is probably a mistake.
JAT - leaning scum. When I was arguing with rayn about the semantic thing (which, by the way, people have to stop saying shit thats confusing) he jumped right on with a few posts to bolster the argument which was clearly false. I also didn't like how he fought with bugs about the kush thing. It also looks like he misinterpreted my-artanis interaction at the beginning of the day which didn't make sense to me.
Rayn - Probably town, though Idk what rayn scum looks like. He tunnels on cora and bullshits at him which is fine (well.. w.e.). I am really hesitant about listening to his reasoning after extractor.
Thrawn - looks town, would bang.
Artanis - Idk where the hell he went after voting me for crap reasons. Tunneled onto me for similarly crap reasons. Would lynch if anyone is down.
So right now I'm looking at JAT/Artanis or a policy of cora/kush. - Read on yamato is not a read. "I can't see why he can't be town" - Read on JAT is so bullshit it probably comes out of CC's ears. That's the worst reasoning for a read i have seen in this game because every single thing is so wrong. - Read on me is not a read. Discrediting me for bullshit reasons, i would have lynched mafia on D2 if idiots didn't hammer yamato. - Read on thrawn is bullshit. - Read on Artanis is bullshit because CC did scummy stuff, then Artanis called him out for it. After that CC changed his reasoning to something else, but later on went back to the original reasoning for no reason. It's just so stupid and every other post the reasoning for Artanis being mafia changes from one thing to another. Suppose we lynched Cheese. He flips town. What happens then? Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. On January 09 2014 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
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Suppose we lynched Cheese.
He flips town.
What happens then?
Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. Someone's reads being bad or badly reasoned are not enough to call them scum and lynch them unless they have a history of being good AND if the reasoning is clearly bad despite there being good evidence for them to have good reads in the same situation. There are plenty of townies who don't often catch that many scum who often don't get lynched despite being called bad every game, because you don't just lynch someone for having bad reads. You also don't nonchalantly say that it's their fault for getting lynched after you fuck up and lynch them for the wrong reasons, cause it's the voters' faults. You asked a question and I answered it. If we lynched CC right now pretty much the only thing we would learn is his alignment. EXACTLY I'm trying to avoid frothing at the mouth at rayn's vote on CC for precisely this fucking reason. We don't achieve anything by lynching CC now, the vote is fucking wasted because we spent all day pressuring TWO OTHER PLAYERS. How do you people take so long to fucking understand this?? I've been saying we need to consolidate for over 12 hours now. The town has gone to shit because of the few players we have they are completely unwilling to listen and cooperate. Instead we have a shitfest like every other minute. Killing Corazon will probably rid ourselves of a significant amount of the shitposting, given that he's managed to piss off myself, rayn, WoS, and basically everyone else he's talked to. Killing kush would probably accomplish a similar thing but he's actually easier to ignore and harder to read. I don't understand you. You posted the question - I answered exactly the way you think yourself and I am scummy for it. uh what I didn't call you scummy. Your self fixation is starting to bother me a bit. What the hell man... I should have been clearer. I'd ordinarily call you scummy, but I was merely tempted because I think you just legitimately don't know better. What exactly don't I know better? You aren't making any sense.
Okay, let me be blunt.
Your play so far has led me to label you "dumb town".
There are lots of things you've said that have led me to think you are town, but it's more because very few scum would be so careless as to say things so blatantly...well, scummy.
If I had determined that you had that attitude based on an inference, e.g. reaction to a flip or something like that, rather than something you just came out and said, I'd be more likely to label you scum than bad.
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On January 09 2014 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +It's clear he's not going to contribute, as he's said nothing of original value despite showing in past games that he has the capability and despite being around practically all the time. Basically this, and yes, i actually think Corazon is mafia, so i am not policy lynching here.
Exactly. In my opinion this would not be a policy lynch. Cora just disappeared or accused other people of lying the whole time when he was under fire. He didn't argue with reasoning (and I would expect him to do so at least partly as town) he just ignored peoples questions.
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I'm throwing my vote on corzan in case I lose service again plus I think there's a good chance he's mafia so win win.
## vote Cora
Still reading
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On January 09 2014 06:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 09 2014 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't feel nearly as good about lynching Cora for policy reasons than i do kush, so at the very least I'd like to try and come to terms with it if I'll be switching my vote or even better, actually determine if he is scum. (yeah I get that the shitposting would be toned down a little but again, knowing he's actually attempting to contribute and post, despite enraging so many of us makes it harder for me. By comparison kush manages to enrage me by barely posting/what little posting he does.)
What it comes down to for me is mainly his behaviour here. The weird tunneling and nitpicking of one particular thing and not letting it go, the almost intentional baiting/stupidity/lying...? If this is intentional then Cora is scum without a doubt. Like I said earlier somewhere though would a town Cora have gotten angrier? Shit things up even harder? Is he picking these fights on purpose and/or remaining...calmer and more measured than i would expect because of recent attempts to tone down his behaviour? I'm not super confident on either side of the lynch, which is sad, but the lynch gives us more to work on than anything else. Supposing he is town, giving Cora time is probably not going to benefit us at all. In fact, the sooner we kill him probably the better at least for town atmosphere regardless of what alignment he is. on the other hand, giving yamato a day will almost certainly help us read his alignment better, and yamato isn't actively destructive to town. He at worst is about as bad as a scummy lurker-being hard to lynch through subpar activity as opposed to being destructive. And this is all, granted, from what I understand and have witnessed of his play as scum. As town I know he has the potential to be contributory, so assuming he can get over his demoralization he can definitely be an asset. If at the end of night and 12-24 hours into tomorrow he still continues his current trend we can just kill him then. 36 hours is a long time for things to happen, so many things can change by then. Alright well this convinces me of Cora over yamato because you are certainly correct in giving yamato time is a wiser choice than giving Cora time, but what of kush? What does giving him time accomplish? (And again, to a lesser extent gumshoe at some point) kush is like this literally every game regardless of his alignment. No one has bothered to provide opinions on kush aside from flaming him, whereas almost everyone in the game has commented on Cora at some point. Regardless of how he flips this gives us something to work with. In addition, I would say that Corazon has been around more often and actually been more detrimental than kush has. As for gumshoe at this point I don't even know if the mods will let him live. You can't read a player when they haven't bothered to play the game at all. Lynching them is worse than a coin flip. Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:31 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 05:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In efforts to straighten this thread out from the shitflinging contest that it is: here are reads.
Corazon - Senseless, yelling at people, calling people scum. It's difficult to formulate a decent read on him without factoring in the douchebaggery involved. Do scum act like this often? Or is this something specifically attributed to Corazon? If anyone has a scum corazon game on hand I'd like to see it.
@Cora
I want you to calm down. Give us your top scumreads with 2-3 reasons why for each. Honestly the sense is just strew apart in the thread, maybe it's there if I can get a consolidated post. You've been a bitch to me already for no reason, and I have no problem lynching you. If you're town I want the best reads you can give me.
Yamato - I think he's town. Based on extractor I don't see a reason he cant be town here, and lynching him day 1 is probably a mistake.
JAT - leaning scum. When I was arguing with rayn about the semantic thing (which, by the way, people have to stop saying shit thats confusing) he jumped right on with a few posts to bolster the argument which was clearly false. I also didn't like how he fought with bugs about the kush thing. It also looks like he misinterpreted my-artanis interaction at the beginning of the day which didn't make sense to me.
Rayn - Probably town, though Idk what rayn scum looks like. He tunnels on cora and bullshits at him which is fine (well.. w.e.). I am really hesitant about listening to his reasoning after extractor.
Thrawn - looks town, would bang.
Artanis - Idk where the hell he went after voting me for crap reasons. Tunneled onto me for similarly crap reasons. Would lynch if anyone is down.
So right now I'm looking at JAT/Artanis or a policy of cora/kush. - Read on yamato is not a read. "I can't see why he can't be town" - Read on JAT is so bullshit it probably comes out of CC's ears. That's the worst reasoning for a read i have seen in this game because every single thing is so wrong. - Read on me is not a read. Discrediting me for bullshit reasons, i would have lynched mafia on D2 if idiots didn't hammer yamato. - Read on thrawn is bullshit. - Read on Artanis is bullshit because CC did scummy stuff, then Artanis called him out for it. After that CC changed his reasoning to something else, but later on went back to the original reasoning for no reason. It's just so stupid and every other post the reasoning for Artanis being mafia changes from one thing to another. Suppose we lynched Cheese. He flips town. What happens then? Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. On January 09 2014 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:
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Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. Someone's reads being bad or badly reasoned are not enough to call them scum and lynch them unless they have a history of being good AND if the reasoning is clearly bad despite there being good evidence for them to have good reads in the same situation. There are plenty of townies who don't often catch that many scum who often don't get lynched despite being called bad every game, because you don't just lynch someone for having bad reads. You also don't nonchalantly say that it's their fault for getting lynched after you fuck up and lynch them for the wrong reasons, cause it's the voters' faults. You asked a question and I answered it. If we lynched CC right now pretty much the only thing we would learn is his alignment. EXACTLY I'm trying to avoid frothing at the mouth at rayn's vote on CC for precisely this fucking reason. We don't achieve anything by lynching CC now, the vote is fucking wasted because we spent all day pressuring TWO OTHER PLAYERS. How do you people take so long to fucking understand this?? I've been saying we need to consolidate for over 12 hours now. The town has gone to shit because of the few players we have they are completely unwilling to listen and cooperate. Instead we have a shitfest like every other minute. Killing Corazon will probably rid ourselves of a significant amount of the shitposting, given that he's managed to piss off myself, rayn, WoS, and basically everyone else he's talked to. Killing kush would probably accomplish a similar thing but he's actually easier to ignore and harder to read. I don't understand you. You posted the question - I answered exactly the way you think yourself and I am scummy for it. uh what I didn't call you scummy. Your self fixation is starting to bother me a bit. What the hell man... I should have been clearer. I'd ordinarily call you scummy, but I was merely tempted because I think you just legitimately don't know better. What exactly don't I know better? You aren't making any sense. Okay, let me be blunt. Your play so far has led me to label you "dumb town". There are lots of things you've said that have led me to think you are town, but it's more because very few scum would be so careless as to say things so blatantly...well, scummy. If I had determined that you had that attitude based on an inference, e.g. reaction to a flip or something like that, rather than something you just came out and said, I'd be more likely to label you scum than bad.
That doesn't aswer my question at all. You can call me dumb how many times you want I don't care about that. I want you to tell me what is scummy about that post.
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On January 09 2014 06:37 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 09 2014 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't feel nearly as good about lynching Cora for policy reasons than i do kush, so at the very least I'd like to try and come to terms with it if I'll be switching my vote or even better, actually determine if he is scum. (yeah I get that the shitposting would be toned down a little but again, knowing he's actually attempting to contribute and post, despite enraging so many of us makes it harder for me. By comparison kush manages to enrage me by barely posting/what little posting he does.)
What it comes down to for me is mainly his behaviour here. The weird tunneling and nitpicking of one particular thing and not letting it go, the almost intentional baiting/stupidity/lying...? If this is intentional then Cora is scum without a doubt. Like I said earlier somewhere though would a town Cora have gotten angrier? Shit things up even harder? Is he picking these fights on purpose and/or remaining...calmer and more measured than i would expect because of recent attempts to tone down his behaviour? I'm not super confident on either side of the lynch, which is sad, but the lynch gives us more to work on than anything else. Supposing he is town, giving Cora time is probably not going to benefit us at all. In fact, the sooner we kill him probably the better at least for town atmosphere regardless of what alignment he is. on the other hand, giving yamato a day will almost certainly help us read his alignment better, and yamato isn't actively destructive to town. He at worst is about as bad as a scummy lurker-being hard to lynch through subpar activity as opposed to being destructive. And this is all, granted, from what I understand and have witnessed of his play as scum. As town I know he has the potential to be contributory, so assuming he can get over his demoralization he can definitely be an asset. If at the end of night and 12-24 hours into tomorrow he still continues his current trend we can just kill him then. 36 hours is a long time for things to happen, so many things can change by then. Alright well this convinces me of Cora over yamato because you are certainly correct in giving yamato time is a wiser choice than giving Cora time, but what of kush? What does giving him time accomplish? (And again, to a lesser extent gumshoe at some point) kush is like this literally every game regardless of his alignment. No one has bothered to provide opinions on kush aside from flaming him, whereas almost everyone in the game has commented on Cora at some point. Regardless of how he flips this gives us something to work with. In addition, I would say that Corazon has been around more often and actually been more detrimental than kush has. As for gumshoe at this point I don't even know if the mods will let him live. You can't read a player when they haven't bothered to play the game at all. Lynching them is worse than a coin flip. Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:31 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 05:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In efforts to straighten this thread out from the shitflinging contest that it is: here are reads.
Corazon - Senseless, yelling at people, calling people scum. It's difficult to formulate a decent read on him without factoring in the douchebaggery involved. Do scum act like this often? Or is this something specifically attributed to Corazon? If anyone has a scum corazon game on hand I'd like to see it.
@Cora
I want you to calm down. Give us your top scumreads with 2-3 reasons why for each. Honestly the sense is just strew apart in the thread, maybe it's there if I can get a consolidated post. You've been a bitch to me already for no reason, and I have no problem lynching you. If you're town I want the best reads you can give me.
Yamato - I think he's town. Based on extractor I don't see a reason he cant be town here, and lynching him day 1 is probably a mistake.
JAT - leaning scum. When I was arguing with rayn about the semantic thing (which, by the way, people have to stop saying shit thats confusing) he jumped right on with a few posts to bolster the argument which was clearly false. I also didn't like how he fought with bugs about the kush thing. It also looks like he misinterpreted my-artanis interaction at the beginning of the day which didn't make sense to me.
Rayn - Probably town, though Idk what rayn scum looks like. He tunnels on cora and bullshits at him which is fine (well.. w.e.). I am really hesitant about listening to his reasoning after extractor.
Thrawn - looks town, would bang.
Artanis - Idk where the hell he went after voting me for crap reasons. Tunneled onto me for similarly crap reasons. Would lynch if anyone is down.
So right now I'm looking at JAT/Artanis or a policy of cora/kush. - Read on yamato is not a read. "I can't see why he can't be town" - Read on JAT is so bullshit it probably comes out of CC's ears. That's the worst reasoning for a read i have seen in this game because every single thing is so wrong. - Read on me is not a read. Discrediting me for bullshit reasons, i would have lynched mafia on D2 if idiots didn't hammer yamato. - Read on thrawn is bullshit. - Read on Artanis is bullshit because CC did scummy stuff, then Artanis called him out for it. After that CC changed his reasoning to something else, but later on went back to the original reasoning for no reason. It's just so stupid and every other post the reasoning for Artanis being mafia changes from one thing to another. Suppose we lynched Cheese. He flips town. What happens then? Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. On January 09 2014 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:
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Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. Someone's reads being bad or badly reasoned are not enough to call them scum and lynch them unless they have a history of being good AND if the reasoning is clearly bad despite there being good evidence for them to have good reads in the same situation. There are plenty of townies who don't often catch that many scum who often don't get lynched despite being called bad every game, because you don't just lynch someone for having bad reads. You also don't nonchalantly say that it's their fault for getting lynched after you fuck up and lynch them for the wrong reasons, cause it's the voters' faults. You asked a question and I answered it. If we lynched CC right now pretty much the only thing we would learn is his alignment. EXACTLY I'm trying to avoid frothing at the mouth at rayn's vote on CC for precisely this fucking reason. We don't achieve anything by lynching CC now, the vote is fucking wasted because we spent all day pressuring TWO OTHER PLAYERS. How do you people take so long to fucking understand this?? I've been saying we need to consolidate for over 12 hours now. The town has gone to shit because of the few players we have they are completely unwilling to listen and cooperate. Instead we have a shitfest like every other minute. Killing Corazon will probably rid ourselves of a significant amount of the shitposting, given that he's managed to piss off myself, rayn, WoS, and basically everyone else he's talked to. Killing kush would probably accomplish a similar thing but he's actually easier to ignore and harder to read. I don't understand you. You posted the question - I answered exactly the way you think yourself and I am scummy for it. uh what I didn't call you scummy. Your self fixation is starting to bother me a bit. What the hell man... I should have been clearer. I'd ordinarily call you scummy, but I was merely tempted because I think you just legitimately don't know better. What exactly don't I know better? You aren't making any sense. Okay, let me be blunt. Your play so far has led me to label you "dumb town". There are lots of things you've said that have led me to think you are town, but it's more because very few scum would be so careless as to say things so blatantly...well, scummy. If I had determined that you had that attitude based on an inference, e.g. reaction to a flip or something like that, rather than something you just came out and said, I'd be more likely to label you scum than bad.
But see that's my point regarding kush.
People haven't provided opinions on him BECAUSE he is like this every game----you can't provide a read on him or an opinion because there isn't anything you can use. Hence the decision to policy lynch him.
While I agree that Cora has likely been more detrimental to the game at this current point in time, will that remain so for the rest of the game?
For I think the third time I'll ask now---who would you rather have at LYLO? Kush or Cora?
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Pretty sure kush would be hard pursuing his buddies by now he has been all over the pace this game he's probably town
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On January 09 2014 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'd have kush.
How come? Because you think you would be able to read him?
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On January 09 2014 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'd have kush.
That hurts.
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On January 09 2014 06:52 justanothertownie wrote:How come? Because you think you would be able to read him?
Yes, and because i am confident i could get him to vote with me even if i could't read him.
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On January 09 2014 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'd have kush. How come? Because you think you would be able to read him? Yes, and because i am confident i could get him to vote with me even if i could't read him.
And yet in a LYLO situation he may be the one you'd have to vote---how would you do that if you couldn't read him?
It seems as though I'm not garnering any support---policy lynch fails on TL surprise surprise.
I'm somewhat appeased by the fact that at least people seem to be pretty understanding of it this time around, and part of the reasoning for lynching Cora has policy underpinnings. It will be very nice indeed if Cora flips scum---would mean a detrimental presence is ACTUALLY anti-town for once. Don't know if I've seen that since BH in....LXI? The Game? I forget which.
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Oh I forgot.
##Unvote
##Vote: Corazon
About 20 min or so and then I'm gone until a little while after deadline.
Is there anything anyone wants of me before I go?
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Im only detrimental because you guys made me so.
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On January 09 2014 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 06:37 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 09 2014 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't feel nearly as good about lynching Cora for policy reasons than i do kush, so at the very least I'd like to try and come to terms with it if I'll be switching my vote or even better, actually determine if he is scum. (yeah I get that the shitposting would be toned down a little but again, knowing he's actually attempting to contribute and post, despite enraging so many of us makes it harder for me. By comparison kush manages to enrage me by barely posting/what little posting he does.)
What it comes down to for me is mainly his behaviour here. The weird tunneling and nitpicking of one particular thing and not letting it go, the almost intentional baiting/stupidity/lying...? If this is intentional then Cora is scum without a doubt. Like I said earlier somewhere though would a town Cora have gotten angrier? Shit things up even harder? Is he picking these fights on purpose and/or remaining...calmer and more measured than i would expect because of recent attempts to tone down his behaviour? I'm not super confident on either side of the lynch, which is sad, but the lynch gives us more to work on than anything else. Supposing he is town, giving Cora time is probably not going to benefit us at all. In fact, the sooner we kill him probably the better at least for town atmosphere regardless of what alignment he is. on the other hand, giving yamato a day will almost certainly help us read his alignment better, and yamato isn't actively destructive to town. He at worst is about as bad as a scummy lurker-being hard to lynch through subpar activity as opposed to being destructive. And this is all, granted, from what I understand and have witnessed of his play as scum. As town I know he has the potential to be contributory, so assuming he can get over his demoralization he can definitely be an asset. If at the end of night and 12-24 hours into tomorrow he still continues his current trend we can just kill him then. 36 hours is a long time for things to happen, so many things can change by then. Alright well this convinces me of Cora over yamato because you are certainly correct in giving yamato time is a wiser choice than giving Cora time, but what of kush? What does giving him time accomplish? (And again, to a lesser extent gumshoe at some point) kush is like this literally every game regardless of his alignment. No one has bothered to provide opinions on kush aside from flaming him, whereas almost everyone in the game has commented on Cora at some point. Regardless of how he flips this gives us something to work with. In addition, I would say that Corazon has been around more often and actually been more detrimental than kush has. As for gumshoe at this point I don't even know if the mods will let him live. You can't read a player when they haven't bothered to play the game at all. Lynching them is worse than a coin flip. On January 09 2014 06:31 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do. for clarity I'm talking about this post: On January 09 2014 05:52 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:50 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 05:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In efforts to straighten this thread out from the shitflinging contest that it is: here are reads.
Corazon - Senseless, yelling at people, calling people scum. It's difficult to formulate a decent read on him without factoring in the douchebaggery involved. Do scum act like this often? Or is this something specifically attributed to Corazon? If anyone has a scum corazon game on hand I'd like to see it.
@Cora
I want you to calm down. Give us your top scumreads with 2-3 reasons why for each. Honestly the sense is just strew apart in the thread, maybe it's there if I can get a consolidated post. You've been a bitch to me already for no reason, and I have no problem lynching you. If you're town I want the best reads you can give me.
Yamato - I think he's town. Based on extractor I don't see a reason he cant be town here, and lynching him day 1 is probably a mistake.
JAT - leaning scum. When I was arguing with rayn about the semantic thing (which, by the way, people have to stop saying shit thats confusing) he jumped right on with a few posts to bolster the argument which was clearly false. I also didn't like how he fought with bugs about the kush thing. It also looks like he misinterpreted my-artanis interaction at the beginning of the day which didn't make sense to me.
Rayn - Probably town, though Idk what rayn scum looks like. He tunnels on cora and bullshits at him which is fine (well.. w.e.). I am really hesitant about listening to his reasoning after extractor.
Thrawn - looks town, would bang.
Artanis - Idk where the hell he went after voting me for crap reasons. Tunneled onto me for similarly crap reasons. Would lynch if anyone is down.
So right now I'm looking at JAT/Artanis or a policy of cora/kush. - Read on yamato is not a read. "I can't see why he can't be town" - Read on JAT is so bullshit it probably comes out of CC's ears. That's the worst reasoning for a read i have seen in this game because every single thing is so wrong. - Read on me is not a read. Discrediting me for bullshit reasons, i would have lynched mafia on D2 if idiots didn't hammer yamato. - Read on thrawn is bullshit. - Read on Artanis is bullshit because CC did scummy stuff, then Artanis called him out for it. After that CC changed his reasoning to something else, but later on went back to the original reasoning for no reason. It's just so stupid and every other post the reasoning for Artanis being mafia changes from one thing to another. Suppose we lynched Cheese. He flips town. What happens then? Then his reads are still bullshit and we can start all over again. On January 09 2014 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 06:04 wherebugsgo wrote:On January 09 2014 05:59 justanothertownie wrote:On January 09 2014 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
like seriously, I'm tempted to try to get you lynched for saying that, because that's literally what scum want to do.
for clarity I'm talking about this post:
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Someone's reads being bad or badly reasoned are not enough to call them scum and lynch them unless they have a history of being good AND if the reasoning is clearly bad despite there being good evidence for them to have good reads in the same situation.
There are plenty of townies who don't often catch that many scum who often don't get lynched despite being called bad every game, because you don't just lynch someone for having bad reads. You also don't nonchalantly say that it's their fault for getting lynched after you fuck up and lynch them for the wrong reasons, cause it's the voters' faults. You asked a question and I answered it. If we lynched CC right now pretty much the only thing we would learn is his alignment. EXACTLY I'm trying to avoid frothing at the mouth at rayn's vote on CC for precisely this fucking reason. We don't achieve anything by lynching CC now, the vote is fucking wasted because we spent all day pressuring TWO OTHER PLAYERS. How do you people take so long to fucking understand this?? I've been saying we need to consolidate for over 12 hours now. The town has gone to shit because of the few players we have they are completely unwilling to listen and cooperate. Instead we have a shitfest like every other minute. Killing Corazon will probably rid ourselves of a significant amount of the shitposting, given that he's managed to piss off myself, rayn, WoS, and basically everyone else he's talked to. Killing kush would probably accomplish a similar thing but he's actually easier to ignore and harder to read. I don't understand you. You posted the question - I answered exactly the way you think yourself and I am scummy for it. uh what I didn't call you scummy. Your self fixation is starting to bother me a bit. What the hell man... I should have been clearer. I'd ordinarily call you scummy, but I was merely tempted because I think you just legitimately don't know better. What exactly don't I know better? You aren't making any sense. Okay, let me be blunt. Your play so far has led me to label you "dumb town". There are lots of things you've said that have led me to think you are town, but it's more because very few scum would be so careless as to say things so blatantly...well, scummy. If I had determined that you had that attitude based on an inference, e.g. reaction to a flip or something like that, rather than something you just came out and said, I'd be more likely to label you scum than bad. But see that's my point regarding kush. People haven't provided opinions on him BECAUSE he is like this every game----you can't provide a read on him or an opinion because there isn't anything you can use. Hence the decision to policy lynch him. While I agree that Cora has likely been more detrimental to the game at this current point in time, will that remain so for the rest of the game? For I think the third time I'll ask now---who would you rather have at LYLO? Kush or Cora?
Neither of them, obviously.
There is no right answer to that question because they're both equally worthless. Corazon is just actively destructive, so he's better to kill now. So I suppose that means if I had to make a choice it'd have to be kush.
However if the game had gone differently and we had chosen to leave Corazon alone and pressured Kush instead it's very likely IMO that kush would have been the one to dump on the thread instead of Cora. Who knows, really.
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On January 09 2014 07:00 Corazon wrote:
Im only detrimental because you guys made me so.
So if your town who are the scum on your wagon?
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