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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 07 2014 02:47 GMT
#181
On January 07 2014 11:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 11:40 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
For the record if you want to get yamato to contribute, just threaten to lynch him for a really bad reason.
Works every time.
^.^

Welcome Rayn and Cora.

Cheese I as well have seen that happen multiple times. Sadly I have seen games where most of the inactives are town just as often if not more often than the ones where the inactives are scum.


Not this time, does that make him scum you think? Or is Yamato waiting for the last possible moment to regale us with his glorious reads?

It's way too early.
He's not threatened.

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 11:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
For the record if you want to get yamato to contribute, just threaten to lynch him for a really bad reason.
Works every time.
^.^

Welcome Rayn and Cora.

Cheese I as well have seen that happen multiple times. Sadly I have seen games where most of the inactives are town just as often if not more often than the ones where the inactives are scum.


I see those games as well, problem is nobody ever gives any fucks about it. Every game there is a discussion whether to lynch lurkers and then it fades away like a distant memory so the lurkers just do what they do.


The question is will it happen this game too?
This conversation is getting really meta


meta as fuck, as such just lynch all of the lurkers and win the game. You take their post count for the game, minus any posts that say "hi just got home catching up" and divide it by the number of letters in their TL username, then you have a concrete way of numbering one's inactiveness. Then you lynch the dude with the lowest (highest?) score.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 02:47 GMT
#182
gumshoe, can you define crumbed?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 02:48 GMT
#183
@Iamp
It's nonsensical because you suggested right off the bat that you should lynch me. How is that sensical?
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 07 2014 02:49 GMT
#184
On January 07 2014 11:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's this lurker discussion? There is not going to be lurkers in this game, right fuba?

You know it's funny, I was looking through the list and was about to say something like 'I am hopeful in thinking that it actually might not be an issue this game,' and then yeah, I saw fuba's name.

Fubadooba I <3 you and all but you do seem like the most likely lurker candidate (barring some sort of thing happening to one of the more consistently active people). Do your very best, but yeah you may very well be on the back of my mind as a backup lynch as the hours wind down depending on your performance today.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 07 2014 02:50 GMT
#185
On January 07 2014 11:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 11:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:40 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
For the record if you want to get yamato to contribute, just threaten to lynch him for a really bad reason.
Works every time.
^.^

Welcome Rayn and Cora.

Cheese I as well have seen that happen multiple times. Sadly I have seen games where most of the inactives are town just as often if not more often than the ones where the inactives are scum.


Not this time, does that make him scum you think? Or is Yamato waiting for the last possible moment to regale us with his glorious reads?

It's way too early.
He's not threatened.

On January 07 2014 11:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
For the record if you want to get yamato to contribute, just threaten to lynch him for a really bad reason.
Works every time.
^.^

Welcome Rayn and Cora.

Cheese I as well have seen that happen multiple times. Sadly I have seen games where most of the inactives are town just as often if not more often than the ones where the inactives are scum.


I see those games as well, problem is nobody ever gives any fucks about it. Every game there is a discussion whether to lynch lurkers and then it fades away like a distant memory so the lurkers just do what they do.


The question is will it happen this game too?
This conversation is getting really meta


meta as fuck, as such just lynch all of the lurkers and win the game. You take their post count for the game, minus any posts that say "hi just got home catching up" and divide it by the number of letters in their TL username, then you have a concrete way of numbering one's inactiveness. Then you lynch the dude with the lowest (highest?) score.

Quoting for filter; I am actually going to do this at some point and see what happens.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 07 2014 02:54 GMT
#186
WaveofShadow any useful thoughts? Discussing lurkers does not count as useful.
table for two on a tv tray
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 07 2014 02:58 GMT
#187
Nope nothing else has really interested me.
Oh there was one thing I wanted to mention but I didn't find it relevant anymore so I didn't btoher.
I'll say it now anyway just for kicks.

Gumshoe/Artanis's discussion points regarding analysis of voice mafia play v. forum mafia play made me go 'ehhhhhhhhh,' because voice mafia and forum mafia are incredibly different and there is very little you can do to directly compare the two. I don't really have a conclusion to draw from that either but it was one thing that struck me for whatever reason.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
January 07 2014 03:00 GMT
#188
On January 07 2014 11:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 11:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But you're not mafia.


This man, such faith, how does one do it?


Probs roles scum every game sides, I'm pretty sure he thinks I'm scum and is just trying to lul me to sleep in order to coordinate a midnight lynch. ( I know this isn't majority lynch, but I'm sure rayn will find a way XD)

That said, It is late here and I plan to finally catch spl tomorrow so gl all, I will leave my reads though case I die inexplicably.

Leaning scummy on cheesecake, don't like the way he asked me about Artanis in voice, it was done in a really neutral way but left the door open for me to use it as an opportunity to attack Artanis. Basically I read it more as him trying to start a fight than him feeling out our alignments.

He's very active but hasn't really contributed much, and is very eager to buddy up with talkative townies ( me and especially Artanis who cheesecake despreatly tried to repair relations with after he "misread" one of artanis's posts.) his filter includes lurker discussion in a game so far without actual lurkers, extreme buddying, and goofiness long after the time of goofballs has ended and very little honest scum hunting.

Iamp leaning scummy cause of the aggressive way he called out Yamato,

Rayn wos Yamato neutral cause not enough to go on.

Cora scummy cause I don't like his face.

Artanis townie cause he is actually trying to shape up town and he makes sense. Also he thinks I'm scum, which makes me more confident he's town.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 07 2014 03:00 GMT
#189
Yeah that's what at least (unfortunately) gumshoe does as town, he did the same thing in Extractor trick mafia start aswell. Dunno why Artanis went with it - that's slighty suspicious.
table for two on a tv tray
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
January 07 2014 03:06 GMT
#190
On January 07 2014 11:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Nope nothing else has really interested me.
Oh there was one thing I wanted to mention but I didn't find it relevant anymore so I didn't btoher.
I'll say it now anyway just for kicks.

Gumshoe/Artanis's discussion points regarding analysis of voice mafia play v. forum mafia play made me go 'ehhhhhhhhh,' because voice mafia and forum mafia are incredibly different and there is very little you can do to directly compare the two. I don't really have a conclusion to draw from that either but it was one thing that struck me for whatever reason.

Artanis's play early on resembled his voice mafia style, it is also the only experience I have with him so it was better than nothing, he himself admitted his voice play was bleeding into to his forum play so we had a discussion about it. Where lies the issue and what are you trying to insinuate? That we're both scum? Or One of us is?your leaving this very open ended and I'd prefer you come to your own conclusions before you wait and see what someone else might conjure up.

Also you fail to mention cheesecake, who indulged me in this seemingly nonsensical discussion, how do you feel about him pushing a matter you consider irrelevant in a manner that might have me got me into a fight with Artanis?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
January 07 2014 03:08 GMT
#191
On January 07 2014 11:47 Corazon wrote:
gumshoe, can you define crumbed?


It's the state you'll find yourself in once I'm through with you.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 07 2014 03:08 GMT
#192
On January 07 2014 12:06 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 11:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Nope nothing else has really interested me.
Oh there was one thing I wanted to mention but I didn't find it relevant anymore so I didn't btoher.
I'll say it now anyway just for kicks.

Gumshoe/Artanis's discussion points regarding analysis of voice mafia play v. forum mafia play made me go 'ehhhhhhhhh,' because voice mafia and forum mafia are incredibly different and there is very little you can do to directly compare the two. I don't really have a conclusion to draw from that either but it was one thing that struck me for whatever reason.

Artanis's play early on resembled his voice mafia style, it is also the only experience I have with him so it was better than nothing, he himself admitted his voice play was bleeding into to his forum play so we had a discussion about it. Where lies the issue and what are you trying to insinuate? That we're both scum? Or One of us is?your leaving this very open ended and I'd prefer you come to your own conclusions before you wait and see what someone else might conjure up.

Also you fail to mention cheesecake, who indulged me in this seemingly nonsensical discussion, how do you feel about him pushing a matter you consider irrelevant in a manner that might have me got me into a fight with Artanis?


I don't really understand this line of thinking. Where could I have gotten you into a fight with Artanis? I asked you about the voice mafia and how it compared to what he was doing this game.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
January 07 2014 03:11 GMT
#193
On January 07 2014 12:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 12:06 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Nope nothing else has really interested me.
Oh there was one thing I wanted to mention but I didn't find it relevant anymore so I didn't btoher.
I'll say it now anyway just for kicks.

Gumshoe/Artanis's discussion points regarding analysis of voice mafia play v. forum mafia play made me go 'ehhhhhhhhh,' because voice mafia and forum mafia are incredibly different and there is very little you can do to directly compare the two. I don't really have a conclusion to draw from that either but it was one thing that struck me for whatever reason.

Artanis's play early on resembled his voice mafia style, it is also the only experience I have with him so it was better than nothing, he himself admitted his voice play was bleeding into to his forum play so we had a discussion about it. Where lies the issue and what are you trying to insinuate? That we're both scum? Or One of us is?your leaving this very open ended and I'd prefer you come to your own conclusions before you wait and see what someone else might conjure up.

Also you fail to mention cheesecake, who indulged me in this seemingly nonsensical discussion, how do you feel about him pushing a matter you consider irrelevant in a manner that might have me got me into a fight with Artanis?


I don't really understand this line of thinking. Where could I have gotten you into a fight with Artanis? I asked you about the voice mafia and how it compared to what he was doing this game.


My initial analysis of Artanis's play in voice was negative, by inquiring about my experience with him in voice in relation to this game you were basically asking me for my thoughts about a potential scum read before I myself was willing to commit to that scum read.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 03:12 GMT
#194
Ok Iamp, I have to apologize. Calling out Yamato was not nonsensical. I just remembered the last time I played with a scum Yamato. He lurked and lurked and lurked and refused to be the usual abrasive Yamato. I think his absence/lack of content could be him hiding something sinister.
Grubby's #1 Fan
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 07 2014 03:12 GMT
#195
On January 07 2014 12:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah that's what at least (unfortunately) gumshoe does as town, he did the same thing in Extractor trick mafia start aswell. Dunno why Artanis went with it - that's slighty suspicious.

I think I'm with you on gumshoe being town btw---the accusation of CC trying to pit him and Artanis against each other seems like a really silly point to force as scum.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 07 2014 03:12 GMT
#196
gumshoe you really should not compare voice mafia "meta" to forum mafia, those things are totally different.
table for two on a tv tray
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 07 2014 03:13 GMT
#197
On January 07 2014 12:11 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2014 12:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 12:06 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Nope nothing else has really interested me.
Oh there was one thing I wanted to mention but I didn't find it relevant anymore so I didn't btoher.
I'll say it now anyway just for kicks.

Gumshoe/Artanis's discussion points regarding analysis of voice mafia play v. forum mafia play made me go 'ehhhhhhhhh,' because voice mafia and forum mafia are incredibly different and there is very little you can do to directly compare the two. I don't really have a conclusion to draw from that either but it was one thing that struck me for whatever reason.

Artanis's play early on resembled his voice mafia style, it is also the only experience I have with him so it was better than nothing, he himself admitted his voice play was bleeding into to his forum play so we had a discussion about it. Where lies the issue and what are you trying to insinuate? That we're both scum? Or One of us is?your leaving this very open ended and I'd prefer you come to your own conclusions before you wait and see what someone else might conjure up.

Also you fail to mention cheesecake, who indulged me in this seemingly nonsensical discussion, how do you feel about him pushing a matter you consider irrelevant in a manner that might have me got me into a fight with Artanis?


I don't really understand this line of thinking. Where could I have gotten you into a fight with Artanis? I asked you about the voice mafia and how it compared to what he was doing this game.


My initial analysis of Artanis's play in voice was negative, by inquiring about my experience with him in voice in relation to this game you were basically asking me for my thoughts about a potential scum read before I myself was willing to commit to that scum read.


Gasp
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 07 2014 03:14 GMT
#198
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
January 07 2014 03:15 GMT
#199
Gumshoe calling me scum without any reasoning behind it. Now that is nonsensical T.T
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 07 2014 03:15 GMT
#200
On January 07 2014 12:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe you really should not compare voice mafia "meta" to forum mafia, those things are totally different.

Rayn would you have any idea why this post of yours has a scum alarm ringing in my head?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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