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On January 07 2014 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 13:33 yamato77 wrote:On January 07 2014 13:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because let's assume yamato is town. Town has mislynched on D1. There is no reason to assume Cheesecake is blue (or is there?).
Cheesecake has no read on thrawn. Cheesecake thinks yamato is mafia, he is his top scumread. This would imply Cheesecake is on the wrong track, hell he can be even blamed on D2 for hammering gumshoe.
So again, if you think yamato is town, why did mafia shoot a person who was on a wrong track on D1 and did not have a scumread on the flipped scum? Why did mafia let yamato - a possible town leader - alive on N1? If this is in fact the case and this is WIFOM, why is mafia not bringing this up to mislynch yamato? This is a reasonable assumption, why is mafia not using that as their advantage if yamato is town. Just for the record, Hopeless has used this logic multiple times now. I don't think it's necessarily fault logic but it's no use of discussing it with you as you'll obviously disagree. I wanna know what kush, coag and slam think about this.
Slam says "you kidding me? I consider all NK associations WIFOM. You could easily be thinking exactly what scum wants you to think."
Also, read the Bolded in the quote.
Hopeless1der read strengthened, thanks Rayne!
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Lol Yamato already said it earlier included in that quote
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On January 07 2014 13:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What i was trying to say is if Hopeless + X is mafia and that's their game plan why does everyone else who could be X say Hopeless is mafia?
X = slam,coag,kush
Bussing exists. I admit there is no advantage to it I can see right now. However I am not a badass planner.
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On January 07 2014 15:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So slam, why are you avoiding the discussion proposed?
Which one of kush/Coag is mafia and why?
OMGUS wants me to say both but that is impossible.
I would say Coag first, Kush is pushing me too hard versus keeping me around like I would expect a scum team to do.
Loaded questions can help you scum hunt but they can also help you tunnel, so...
My answer to your question is I'm not. I have made my decision and placed my vote, I haven't seen town specifically ask me to help hammer Yamato, so I'm not voting him- he is town IMO.
Hopeless has not convinced me he isn't scum and I don't think he can really.
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On January 07 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point is the "confirmed townies" are leaning on yamato being scum over Hopeless, whether or not you agree with it. Now it's time to find another scum in you/Coag/kush, because both of Hopeless/yamato are not mafia.
Whichever of Hopeless/yamato we lynch that affects the next lynch, and right now you are refusing to contribute to Coag/kush so you look pretty bad. So could you give actual reasons for one of them being mafia over the other one? Make a scum case and a town case because if you are town and you think Hopeless is scum they can't both be scum.
Then I look bad?
Coag is lurking- oh shee, he always lurk.
Kushmasta is not me or Coag, and tunnels me- scum tell, town tell.
Hijole man, hopeless scummier than both.
Not knowing the answer to your question doesn't make me scum. Lynch me sooner versus later if you must but I would rather you discover it is between Kush/Coag.
Heck I think I can tell you in advance what they will tell you; they will say I am scum and repeat what they already said.
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There is a post on this or previous page, gimme sec
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On January 07 2014 14:49 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 13:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 07 2014 13:33 yamato77 wrote:On January 07 2014 13:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because let's assume yamato is town. Town has mislynched on D1. There is no reason to assume Cheesecake is blue (or is there?).
Cheesecake has no read on thrawn. Cheesecake thinks yamato is mafia, he is his top scumread. This would imply Cheesecake is on the wrong track, hell he can be even blamed on D2 for hammering gumshoe.
So again, if you think yamato is town, why did mafia shoot a person who was on a wrong track on D1 and did not have a scumread on the flipped scum? Why did mafia let yamato - a possible town leader - alive on N1? If this is in fact the case and this is WIFOM, why is mafia not bringing this up to mislynch yamato? This is a reasonable assumption, why is mafia not using that as their advantage if yamato is town. Just for the record, Hopeless has used this logic multiple times now. I don't think it's necessarily fault logic but it's no use of discussing it with you as you'll obviously disagree. I wanna know what kush, coag and slam think about this. Slam says "you kidding me? I consider all NK associations WIFOM. You could easily be thinking exactly what scum wants you to think." Also, read the Bolded in the quote. Hopeless1der read strengthened, thanks Rayne!
The original of this is on previous page and I even lol'ed looking in the nested quote
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I am now here, not much catch up to do -_-
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On January 08 2014 04:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
We need five for a hammer. yamato can sleep or do whatever he needs to do, but I'm not going to sit idly by and give scum any more time than I have to.
I would say this is the answer to your question Kush.
The problem is this. Prolonging the day allows for a pro-town thing and a pro-scum thing. Respectively, saying more and getting more accurate lynches from better information, versus giving more time to scum to think up Alibi's.
Since nothing much is happening and most people have decided, I will acknowledge the impasse that I have with Hopeless1der and give in to the other lynch. Besides there are plans for what to do based on his flip (Cheesecake laid that out), and if he's scum I am probably wrong about a lot. I am getting suspicious that I am being a fool...
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On January 08 2014 08:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
you could always lynch yamato or else tell me why you thing he's town
I think he is town because he sees the game much as I do.
Which will be debilitating if he is scum. But now I have done both.
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On January 09 2014 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 04:05 Coagulation wrote:
nah I had slam pegged as scum but everyone refused to fucking listen to my read and just disregarded me. Instead they wanted to argue about lynching townies. Im not the one thats bad. okay but even in the event that everyone is bad and not listening to you, surely hammering yourself in mylo isn't the answer? E: not that you weren't about to get hammered by slam anyways, but STILL. come on.
HAMMER GO SLAM!
I had work but yeah
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On January 09 2014 04:44 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 04:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
who all thought i was scum at the end of D1 Clearly at least Sentinel
I did
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On January 09 2014 04:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 04:30 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 09 2014 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 09 2014 04:21 Coagulation wrote:
no that was kush. I cant read kush very well so it was 50/50
at that point I was just going with general town flow because no one recognized my read on slam and I started to assume it was bad cause everyone ignored it. I mean you had a scumread on yamato. then he asked you to vote for hopeless, and you did so. Ultimately you ended up voting for yamato, the dude who asked you to vote for another dude and did hell of more stuff than Hopeless on D2. this is why i voted coag btw. i thought it was a tossup between kush/slam Seriously?!?!?!? KUSH HAMMERED HIS TOWNREAD WHO WAS VOTED BY BOTH OF HIS SCUMREADS! God...
Yup I said id have to bus him
Was thinking I had long hard game ahead of me
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On January 09 2014 05:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Disappointed that I don't see my name very often in scum QT. That's the only reason I play this game
You were so bamcis we feared the mention of the vig
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On January 09 2014 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:
OH I TOTALLY FORGOT
SO I was thinking about the setup and spent a long time discussing it with co-hosts and foolishness since 10-man setups are hard. Here's what we went for:
3 scum (goon goon rb)
7 town (4x VT, 1x Pcop, 1x Vet, 1x vigi)
This meant town would get 3 bites at the apple to hit a scum (D1 lynch, N1 shot, D2 lynch) and if they hit a scum in time, they'd make it to D3 and have the pcop check. Obviously this didn't work out, though the amazing N1 might have made up for it.
What do you guys think about the balance? I was worried it would be a bit town-favored with the vet, but maybe it was actually scum-favored?
U inzult mah skum plai mah boi
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Well here. I will be serious.
Let's say Rayn did not claim cop.
I don't think he would have been mislynched (although possible) so he would have a solved game now instead. I would have shot sent, dunno if Kush would have agreed.
Even with Ryan's claim, if Coag did not self hammer I would have come back and tried to go after Coag. But if Kush or I were lynched, game would have been solved.
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On January 09 2014 05:30 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 05:21 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2014 05:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
He can rage all he wants but I think if yamato had not gone on tilt and actually played to his best, scumteam would have been crushed. From a pure setup speculation I'd call this game town favored and with the rolls on roles even more so. Well, it's your fault for refusing to reconsider your position on me whatsoever and ignoring the other 3 unconfirmed players in the game entirely. At least I had reads on them. Yes. Let it be known that hopeless1der was solely responsible for getting yamato lynched. No other player had any say in the matter nor could they or yamato himself have affected the outcome in any way. All bow to the hopeless one.
Pfft
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