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On January 06 2014 02:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yamato is at L-1. If he flips green then I want hopeless to die. Because fuck 2 mafia being inside kush/coag/slam--that's just cruel by BH.
i'd agree to this, except we'd lose the game.
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quite frankly i dont know who is liable to get lynched tomorrow, but I know I want yamato lynched today so i said what I thought I could to get you onto him. You already said you had a scumread on him so I didnt think it'd be particularly hard to convince you
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On December 31 2013 02:49 Blazinghand wrote:
5. This game follows an instant simple majority lynch. The instant a player has the majority of votes on him, the day ends. So if there are 8 players you need 5 to lynch, if there are 7 players you need 4 to lynch.
Looks like there's a discrepancy. According to the OP yamato is at L-2
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his reasons were voting+low activity.
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Yam why didn't you consider yourself a possible nk?
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Im out right now I should be home in a couple hours. I'll do it tonight so don't lynch me before I get back.
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On January 04 2014 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:The point i am trying to make is that gumshoe made these posts: Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 09:15 gumshoe wrote:On January 04 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 04 2014 08:53 gumshoe wrote:On January 04 2014 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you do want to policy lynch me for claiming without thinking about my alignment? I'll say this now, I dont think you were under enough pressure as scum to gamble on a hail marry claim(and its likely youd be lynched in case of a counterclaim anyways) but I feel youve made a mistake as town ) : If i do not lynch mafia on D1 then i have definitely made a mistake but in my opinion this gives me much higher chances of lynching scum. I don't have to worry about people worrying about me. As i said me being parity cop is same as me being vanilla. I get a first scum check at best on D3. In my opinion at that point of the game there should be 2 mafia dead already. If there is not i am doing something wrong. If i am alive on D3 i am doing something wrong. Therefore me being a parity cop has no upsides besides the fact that if i claim it people can actually trust me and trust my thoughts to have a townie agenda without thinking about the possible scum motivations behind them. If your plan was to reveal from so early on, why did you wait until you came under fire to reveal? You used your role like a mothership recall after a hatchery snipe XD that doesnt strike me as transparent or townie, also your plan doesnt allow much for error / : what if we lynch one scum and one townie( Which very well may have happened considering you were just trying to lynch me) then that parity cop comes pretty damm in handy. But whateves, like I said not much to do if theres no other claim, but I still find your play rather wasteful, and oddly enough equal parts cynical and optimistic. Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 09:22 gumshoe wrote:On January 04 2014 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe do you think i feel pressured regardless of what anyone says about me 2h into the game as mafia? You didn't announce your role until after people started questioning you, so obviously it was a response to pressure. Are you scum? No, thats not at all likely unless a counter claim comes so your right, no point talking bout it. Im heading to a friends now, looking forward to peoples reactions when I come back, later all. This makes absolutely no sense because he states here my mafia motivation for claiming would be because i was under pressure. That can't possibly be true in his opinion because the only one who at that point had accused me of anything was yamato. gumshoe himself agreed with me and turned against yamato for his pressure on me. There is no way gumshoe should be thinking i feel pressured about yamato's accusation because in the first place he himself thinks the accusation is bullshit.
This is what "changed my mind" about gumshoe. Accusing rayn of waiting until he was "under fire" and "reacting to pressure" to claim parity cop. I had only skimmed his posts and understood he couldn't understand why rayn claimed the way he did. When I actually sat down and read things through, I thought it was scummy.
Also, who actually thought an RNG lynch would get pushed? i did that for the hell of it because Slam wanted things to happen
On January 04 2014 07:08 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if you were mafia what would you be talking with your scumbuddies in the scum QT atm? Dude I feel like I could ask everyone this right now. I mean, it is stupid to say it's scummy to agree with me, but hopeless & Coag been pretty short & simple posts that are noncommittal in nature. We all saw posting requirements are aggressive; so let's post something to say!
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On January 06 2014 05:20 yamato77 wrote:So, let's start by addressing the accusations leveled at me on page 22 from Rayn and Hopeless. Most of the game seems content sheeping this reasoning, so I have to shoot it down so I can establish the townie base on which I can push my platform. Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well you are mafia because the only post where you give any sort of reads is a post where you doubt all the players in the game. Including the blue claims, which means there must be more blues or your post is completely useless. If there are no more blues than the climed ones it cannot be possible that the claims are mafia. You are not trying to resolve this situation by asking the real blues to claim (which would solve the game since we have a mislynch), therefore your only real post in this game is completely bullshity.
You, yamato, are one of the most obvious town players there is on the planet. You have opinions as town, at least when the game is on D2 and there are two flips which one of them is mafia, and night actions to analyze. The only thing you can come up with is a bullshit theory about scum shooting their own and all the blues in the game fakeclaiming with no counter claims.
This is like the most obvioius mafia catch in the game. I doubted the blue claims because instantly believing claims in a semi-open setup is pretty silly. I had not yet thought about any of them seriously when I posted at the start of the day. The reads I posted then were, as I said before, formed mostly overnight during the silent phase, and done hastily mostly as my own notes. As you can see later on, I did consider the claims and came to the conclusion that of the three, I trusted you the least because of how you have been playing today and the unconfirmed nature of your claim. However, I also very clearly came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth lynching you today, rather that I should focus on the unconfirmed players. Of those four, Slam is the towniest. Other people disagree, but he is obviously trying this game and appears to be thinking things through in a clear manner. I have explained this at length, so it's not worth discussing further, we are not lynching him today. Kush is the next towniest. I had no read before today, but he's put in real effort today and actually seems to be thinking about my alignment. I don't think scum kush fights my lynch at all, let alone as hard as he has today.He simply has no reason to. Between Hopeless/Coag, Coag is actually townier, but not by much. Both of them could definitely be mafia, but I feel like lynching Hopeless more. I'll explain my Hopeless read at length later on. Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So this is what yamato is suggesting.
There are three blue claims. Me, Mr.SexyCake, and Sentinel can't all be mafia, so there are 2 scenarios he is considering:
1) Mr.CC and Sentinel are both fake-claiming and i am telling the truth. This can't possibly be true because that would mean there would be another blue claim and they would have shot their own scumbuddy. Town mislynched on D1 so instead of trying to mislynch on D2 they are giving town a mislynch by shooting their scumbuddy and instantly losing the game if someone claims blue on D2 (if someone claims we lynch one of Sent/CC or the blue claim - if the blue claim turns up blue, scum lose). This is ridiculosu to even consider.
2) I decided to fakeclaim parity cop 1h into the game instead of just not claiming. This makes no sense given that yamato knows how confident i am at my scumplay. Let's entertain a scenario that i did something very stupid (which i would never do) as mafia. The only reason i would do that as mafia is to assume there is no parity cop in the game - because one-one trade is ridiculous in a game where i can just mislynch 2 townies and win the game. There is no counter-claim. I have gained the town credit i was looking for. Good. What's my next move. I decide to buss my teammate thrawn by asking a vigilante to shoot him on N1. I already know there is no parity cop in the game because noone counter-claimed me, so the reasonable assumption is that there is a vigilante in the game. So i made a stupid and a risky claim that could end up in a 1-1 trade, when it worked, i make a stupid move that risks my scumbuddy being shot or lynched on D2 for town-credit i have already gained from my fake claim. In addition to all this stupidness thrawn, my scumbuddy, does not give me the town credit from my fake claim (which was the point of my scumteam in the first place) but instead attacks me and we go 1vs1 with him ensuring we pretty much tunnel each other on D2 - that will most likely end up in one of us getting lynched. So me, raynpelikoneet, did this as mafia, instead of... just lynching townies and playing scum as i normally do, by controlling the thread. Ridiculous.
Based purely on yamato even considering something this stupid he is mafia, 100%. I've addressed the claim situation, you're taking this a bit far. You fakeclaim often as both alignments, I do not trust you at all in any situation involving claims. Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 22:38 Hopeless1der wrote:This post is from TL LXIII where BH tried to use an RNG lynch as his mayoral campaign. On November 16 2013 08:58 Blazinghand wrote:Hey so before we go all pant-head here I will upgrade to sock-head and push for an RNG lynch So here's what happens 1) you elect me mayor 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 31. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. I've done this before. It works. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.
The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on.
Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = BC 2 = Mattchew 3 = Sharrant 4 = VE and so on all the way up to... 30 = BH 0 = Oatsmaster (since a multiple of 31 modulo 31 is 0, not 31). From that same game, here is yamato's reactions to NOT getting made mayor and being subsequently shot N1. On November 18 2013 06:49 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, so I've caught up to the lynch since I stopped reading yesterday due to going to my friend's birthday and then subsequently passing out for 12+ hours. FIRST and FOREMOST, I want to say that neither super nor VE have analyzed just about anyone in the game at all up to this point and yet people trusted their reads and analysis skills over mine (LOLOLOLOLOL). I should have been elected pardoner, mafia will 100% shoot me tonight.
hiss gg post On November 18 2013 10:02 yamato77 wrote:
I told you I was dead
idiots. Also, yamato's general opinion of me, again from LXIII On November 17 2013 02:32 yamato77 wrote:On November 17 2013 02:31 Pandain wrote:
Yamato if you're mayor I think you should lynch hopeless or BH. I think Storr is good becasue he is playing pretty weird and he is playing the newb card so much when he really shouldn't and it's becoming really disconcerting especially since he also ran for mayor. Why hopeless? I mean, he's always useless. This is thin. Many people have used my extremely good town games against me when I have a slow start. I don't always play the same and I don't always have the time to devote to being super town. I know the difference between when I've been playing well and look townie and a game like this where I am under fire most of the time. Look at D1 of Thug Life, for an example of a town game similar to this one. As for my opinion of you, yes, you are often useless, HOWEVER, you are tunneling me blindly on ridiculously thin grounds based on ONE GAME of meta. You are not this bad of a town player. Plus, as was pointed out by Kush, you were fishy with your opinion of gumshoe D1 and have also sheeped Rayn hard today in calling me mafia, which is a sharp turn away from your early posts where you say I deserve time. It just doesn't add up unless you are mafia. Show nested quote +On January 05 2014 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote:If you have time, or happen to remember LXIII, yamato is absolutely capable of providing a compelling and eloquent argument. He has multiple large posts that arent simply a summary they are brief analyses of players that demonstrate critical thought and scrutiny. In this game, his list posts are lacking in this regard. I especially have a problem with the fact that he has a documented history of thinking I'm generally useless and has found sufficient reasoning in "my filter" to say I should be lynched with fire.
As rayn already noted, Yamato has been trying to cast doubt on the blueclaims On January 05 2014 17:29 yamato77 wrote:
This is a bit silly. There's no conclusive evidence that any of their claims is 100% confirmed. There are no counterclaims, that is evidence by itself. Unless yamato is counterclaiming (and he hasnt to my knowledge) then the simple answer is that all the night action claims are legit. Rayn's needs to be scrutinized at this point, but imo his claim also checks out. Ergo 3 confirmed town for the sake of limiting our scope of analysis unless there are counterclaims.
Of the three, I trust CC's the most. It's believable that scum wanted to let Rayn live because of how he played D1 (or that Rayn is possibly scum) and thus shot CC, who is a better player than Slam and the second towniest player behind him.
Where does yamato fall on this list of townliness? No one else thinks its strange that he doesn't consider himself a viable shot? Especially after the points I pulled from LXIII about him knowing he was about to die before he was shot?
If I believe CC's claim, I kinda have to believe Sent's claim as well, considering the setup. There is a possible scenario where they are the last two mafia and intentionally did this, but I haven't enough reason to doubt my read on CC to believe in it yet. Sent seemed mafia-ish D1, but it's not enough to take a leap of faith.
This is unnecessary fluff
Rayn's claim makes no sense as any alignment, so I'm basically ignoring the fact that he claimed altogether. There is NO WAY to confirm his claim yet and NO REASON to ignore him now because of it. He led the lynch D1, and has now basically just peaced out of any responsibility for how D2 goes. It's definitely possible that he was scumbuddies with thrawn and accused him D1.
rayn has covered this beautifully already here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20533299That leaves Coag, you, and Hopeless as possible mafia, with AT LEAST ONE likely to be, POSSIBLY TWO, if Rayn is to be believed. The correct play would be to thus pick one of you three and lynch him, and I'm pretty sure I already said Hopeless is the scummiest.
By the way, the list was MOSTLY based off reads I made during the night phase. I have only just now begun to consider the implications of the claims seriously. coag, kush, hopeless as possible mafia. convenient that slams missing. I guess he's being readable this game and the 3 of us aren't? You don't need to be scummy to be mafia in yamato's game, you just need to be lurk or troll and that is sufficient. . I had explained my read on Slam multiple times by now, so that is not a point against me. You other three are the only other players worth looking at today, and I've talked about that at length earlier in this post. Does anyone else feel the need for me to respond to anything else? If not, I'll be working through exactly why Hopeless is mafia in a subsequent post.
Quick exercise for you guys. Click Yamato's "all filter" (this link) and ctrl+f "slam". Verify the red/bolded section of this post. Especially look for the points that might be an explanation, and especially that might fit the criteria MULTIPLE TIMES BY NOW. (at the time of this post there are 9 instances of "slam" in yamato's filter. 3 of which are quoted from other players, 1 of which is him quoting himself.
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If you guys still want to lynch me, fuck it, I'll hammer myself .
On January 06 2014 02:43 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 02:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yamato is at L-1. If he flips green then I want hopeless to die. Because fuck 2 mafia being inside kush/coag/slam--that's just cruel by BH. i'd agree to this, except we'd lose the game.
I meant to say "yeah Mr.Sexycake I'll gladly die to see yamato burn. You can even lynch me first!"
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My flip can refute your case if it comes to that.
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On January 06 2014 15:57 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 15:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So can you point out what the differences are then? Because i do not see it. Also you still didn't answer, who is the other scum? Read my posts.
Who's my (read: your) scumbuddy?
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On January 07 2014 00:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 00:22 Alakaslam wrote:On January 07 2014 00:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Can we all agree to lynch Coag? Like wtf why is he town so sad. Possibly- why is he scum? Done nothing all game, is coag. policy coag.
thats standard coag play...
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no slam, you submit to the yamato lynch.
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On January 07 2014 00:33 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2014 00:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
no slam, you submit to the yamato lynch. I swear he is town through neo-OMGUS. However if town takes a vote on forcing my hand I will submit.
and I swear he is scum. We can't both be right. and I think we're both town, so this is something of an impasse.
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On January 07 2014 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The reason i like hopeless lynch, besides previously stated junk, is that both hopeless and coag were on the gum wagon for jack reasoning. If it's yamato + kush / slam then 0 maf were behind the d1 mislynch
you know...besides thrawn
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thats because your scum kush
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On January 07 2014 02:27 kushm4sta wrote:
please qualify your opinions with reasons. both cheesecake and hopeless. more important for hopeless.
rayn said so, duh! More importantly yamato is scum and you were defending him because you cant win without him
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On January 07 2014 02:30 kushm4sta wrote:
hopeless can you explain in better detail why you decided to vote gumshoe?
no i cant. I showed you the post that changed my mind
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Well that is near the post, but I meant this one:
On January 06 2014 13:08 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 10:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:The point i am trying to make is that gumshoe made these posts: On January 04 2014 09:15 gumshoe wrote:On January 04 2014 08:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 04 2014 08:53 gumshoe wrote:On January 04 2014 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you do want to policy lynch me for claiming without thinking about my alignment? I'll say this now, I dont think you were under enough pressure as scum to gamble on a hail marry claim(and its likely youd be lynched in case of a counterclaim anyways) but I feel youve made a mistake as town ) : If i do not lynch mafia on D1 then i have definitely made a mistake but in my opinion this gives me much higher chances of lynching scum. I don't have to worry about people worrying about me. As i said me being parity cop is same as me being vanilla. I get a first scum check at best on D3. In my opinion at that point of the game there should be 2 mafia dead already. If there is not i am doing something wrong. If i am alive on D3 i am doing something wrong. Therefore me being a parity cop has no upsides besides the fact that if i claim it people can actually trust me and trust my thoughts to have a townie agenda without thinking about the possible scum motivations behind them. If your plan was to reveal from so early on, why did you wait until you came under fire to reveal? You used your role like a mothership recall after a hatchery snipe XD that doesnt strike me as transparent or townie, also your plan doesnt allow much for error / : what if we lynch one scum and one townie( Which very well may have happened considering you were just trying to lynch me) then that parity cop comes pretty damm in handy. But whateves, like I said not much to do if theres no other claim, but I still find your play rather wasteful, and oddly enough equal parts cynical and optimistic. On January 04 2014 09:22 gumshoe wrote:On January 04 2014 09:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe do you think i feel pressured regardless of what anyone says about me 2h into the game as mafia? You didn't announce your role until after people started questioning you, so obviously it was a response to pressure. Are you scum? No, thats not at all likely unless a counter claim comes so your right, no point talking bout it. Im heading to a friends now, looking forward to peoples reactions when I come back, later all. This makes absolutely no sense because he states here my mafia motivation for claiming would be because i was under pressure. That can't possibly be true in his opinion because the only one who at that point had accused me of anything was yamato. gumshoe himself agreed with me and turned against yamato for his pressure on me. There is no way gumshoe should be thinking i feel pressured about yamato's accusation because in the first place he himself thinks the accusation is bullshit. This is what "changed my mind" about gumshoe. Accusing rayn of waiting until he was "under fire" and "reacting to pressure" to claim parity cop. I had only skimmed his posts and understood he couldn't understand why rayn claimed the way he did. When I actually sat down and read things through, I thought it was scummy. Also, who actually thought an RNG lynch would get pushed? i did that for the hell of it because Slam wanted things to happen Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 07:08 Alakaslam wrote:On January 04 2014 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if you were mafia what would you be talking with your scumbuddies in the scum QT atm? Dude I feel like I could ask everyone this right now. I mean, it is stupid to say it's scummy to agree with me, but hopeless & Coag been pretty short & simple posts that are noncommittal in nature. We all saw posting requirements are aggressive; so let's post something to say!
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