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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 06 2014 02:05 Hopeless1der wrote: can you settle for yamato today and i'll help you lynch kush tomorrow Mr.Sexycake? Hi hopeless why do you want to lynch Kush? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
That's not a defense as it does not answer my argument in any way. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 06 2014 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf is with everyone saying Hopeless soft-defended gumshoe? That's not a defense as it does not answer my argument in any way. Soft defense as in "I don't think that means he's scum" sort of way. Even if it doesn't answer your argument it's still an attempt to defend, imo. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On January 06 2014 02:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Rayn who is town out of Coag / Kush / Yamato / hopeless because we just have to choose one, then lynch the rest for the win. We are in 6-2, which means if we mislynch we're in MYLO. So we have 1 mislynch. I am pretty sure Coag and Hopeless are town and Alakaslam is by no means anywhere near town as he is saying Hopeless is scum for exactly same stuff he did himself all D1. But yamato is mafia because he is playing so much under his standards. He basically called everyone possibly mafia but then Hopeless was the most mafia - Alakaslam town (hint: both of those guys acted quite similarly on D1). | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
this case on yamato is completely lacking in town type logic. All his arguments are very surface level and very easy kinds of arguments for scum to make. On January 05 2014 22:52 Hopeless1der wrote: + Show Spoiler + If you have time, or happen to remember LXIII, yamato is absolutely capable of providing a compelling and eloquent argument. He has multiple large posts that arent simply a summary they are brief analyses of players that demonstrate critical thought and scrutiny. In this game, his list posts are lacking in this regard. I especially have a problem with the fact that he has a documented history of thinking I'm generally useless and has found sufficient reasoning in "my filter" to say I should be lynched with fire. As rayn already noted, Yamato has been trying to cast doubt on the blueclaims On January 05 2014 17:29 yamato77 wrote: This is a bit silly. There's no conclusive evidence that any of their claims is 100% confirmed. There are no counterclaims, that is evidence by itself. Unless yamato is counterclaiming (and he hasnt to my knowledge) then the simple answer is that all the night action claims are legit. Rayn's needs to be scrutinized at this point, but imo his claim also checks out. Ergo 3 confirmed town for the sake of limiting our scope of analysis unless there are counterclaims. Of the three, I trust CC's the most. It's believable that scum wanted to let Rayn live because of how he played D1 (or that Rayn is possibly scum) and thus shot CC, who is a better player than Slam and the second towniest player behind him. Where does yamato fall on this list of townliness? No one else thinks its strange that he doesn't consider himself a viable shot? Especially after the points I pulled from LXIII about him knowing he was about to die before he was shot? If I believe CC's claim, I kinda have to believe Sent's claim as well, considering the setup. There is a possible scenario where they are the last two mafia and intentionally did this, but I haven't enough reason to doubt my read on CC to believe in it yet. Sent seemed mafia-ish D1, but it's not enough to take a leap of faith. This is unnecessary fluff Rayn's claim makes no sense as any alignment, so I'm basically ignoring the fact that he claimed altogether. There is NO WAY to confirm his claim yet and NO REASON to ignore him now because of it. He led the lynch D1, and has now basically just peaced out of any responsibility for how D2 goes. It's definitely possible that he was scumbuddies with thrawn and accused him D1. rayn has covered this beautifully already here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20533299 That leaves Coag, you, and Hopeless as possible mafia, with AT LEAST ONE likely to be, POSSIBLY TWO, if Rayn is to be believed. The correct play would be to thus pick one of you three and lynch him, and I'm pretty sure I already said Hopeless is the scummiest. By the way, the list was MOSTLY based off reads I made during the night phase. I have only just now begun to consider the implications of the claims seriously. coag, kush, hopeless as possible mafia. convenient that slams missing. I guess he's being readable this game and the 3 of us aren't? You don't need to be scummy to be mafia in yamato's game, you just need to be lurk or troll and that is sufficient. . Also he completely ignores my defense of yamato and focuses on "Why doesn't he claim if he's blue?" which is not even th epoint... | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 06 2014 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: We are in 6-2, which means if we mislynch we're in MYLO. So we have 1 mislynch. I am pretty sure Coag and Hopeless are town and Alakaslam is by no means anywhere near town as he is saying Hopeless is scum for exactly same stuff he did himself all D1. But yamato is mafia because he is playing so much under his standards. He basically called everyone possibly mafia but then Hopeless was the most mafia - Alakaslam town (hint: both of those guys acted quite similarly on D1). this was on the assumption of slam town. we pick town out of there, and if we mislynch from 3 dudes then we lynch the other two who are mafia so we would win. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
@cheesecake look within the quotes you will find your answer | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On January 06 2014 02:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: ANYYYWAY why is coag town? Because he has made more sense in his only real post than he has ever made in all his scumgames together. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 06 2014 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because he has made more sense in his only real post than he has ever made in all his scumgames together. Coag meta, such sad. Much cry. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I see it like this: If alaka is town, which is possible i guess but I doubt it, coag is town. If alaka is scum, 30% chance coag is busing. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On January 06 2014 02:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Yamato is at L-1. If he flips green then I want hopeless to die. Because fuck 2 mafia being inside kush/coag/slam--that's just cruel by BH. i'd agree to this, except we'd lose the game. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On January 06 2014 02:37 Hopeless1der wrote: I just want Yamato to die today. If he flips red, then kush looks worse Why did you want to lynch kush tomorrow? The only mention of him is RNG. But it's day 2 now. Regardless of Yamato's alignment you just say you want to help me lynch kush. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
##unvote | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On January 05 2014 19:44 Blazinghand wrote: With 8 alive it takes 4 to lynch Doesn't it take 5 to lynch when there is 8 alive? | ||
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