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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 23:18 GMT
#892
Goddamit I need to stop doing this. Kay I'll go cool off.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 23:20 GMT
#893
On January 23 2014 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, I'M certainly scum.


Of course
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 23:26 GMT
#896
On January 23 2014 08:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
gonzaw you have lots of pretty good reasons and my absence to point at. Lots of things I've done make me scum, and I've been doing shit all since like ever You're getting me lynched, and you're certainly going to keep calling me scum for good and strong reasons.

Whatever you say, mate
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 23:27 GMT
#898
You two seem kind of bummed. Are you two depressed for some reason? Did your favourite football team lose at the same exact time sandro flipped?

...actually if you are a Manchester United fan that might actually be true so disregard that lolololo
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 23:31 GMT
#901
Foolishness, marv was one of the first to change his vote over to sandro. At that point it was 2 votes against sandro. Don't you think scum marv may have stayed on Foo, who at that point WAS getting lynched (with 4 votes)?
It's entirely possible marv bussed sandro, specially if he figured out Hapa and or Prome would change their votes to sandro anyway. But it did happen in the heat of the moment, if marv was scum that decision would have been made in instants, and he didn't seem nervous.
It's stuff to take into account you know?

Also Foo, if you end up being town.....damn you Foo; why would you do that? just go on the internet and act like scum?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 23:36 GMT
#904
Ok, fair enough.
Although you can't say this wasn't FUCKING AWESOME, can you?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 23:39 GMT
#905
Also...ehmm...medics on me tonight obviously >_>
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 23:42 GMT
#907
The only thing I'm kind of scared is if actually Prome is mafia with sandro and this was some weird gambit, in which they planned on actually getting Foolishness lynched instead.

I mean, you do remember Prome's "We policy lynch lurkers no matter what!" line at the beginning of the game, and he then not doing anything at all regarding sandro right?

Oh god....oh god oh man oh god oh man :O O:

...lol. But other than that, I think we are on good tracks
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 22 2014 23:53 GMT
#909
He did show up EXACTLY after sandro voted him, and did in fact just go against Foolishness instead of being suspicious of the super suspiciously sketchy vote on him by the lurker that was AFK the whole game which he bowed to policy lynch.

Meh. Makes a nice conspiracy theory lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 00:03 GMT
#912
A wild toad appears!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 00:16 GMT
#924
I started this conspiracy theory in a joking manner, but lol it does have lots of points in favor of it.

Although, I think getting VE lynched comes before that. I just don't see VE as town here. He did absolutely nothing since his Prome "read". Just pressured Foo' a little bit, then did absolutely nothing. He randomly says "Holy/sandro/Foo are interesting guys", and then doesn't give a shit and flings his vote at any of those (not at sandro though coincidentally) without any reasoning whatsoever, and doesn't give a fuck about justifying himself even when I try to get it out of his tongue.
Then he shows up at deadline, is there, but wastes his time posting some questions to Prome and doing shit all. Had his vote parked on Foolishness, did shit all with that. He even asked Prome about sandro being suspicious or something, yet he had vote on Foo'.
Doesn't do any more shit until sandro flips, then comes here and posts ONLY to defend himself.

Yeah...he dies tomorrow. I guess I can put some pretty colors and quotes later on.


It'd be funny if the scum team is sandro - VE - Prome and they have been setting up this whole show lol
I mean, Prome found VE scum initially with "shitty" reasons and the like, right? (when he ignored WoS, etc). Then VE found Prome suspicious initially right? They were the only 2 "going against each other" initially. Yet nothing came from that. VE then promptly forgets about Prome, yet somehow says he still has a scumread on him. Prome ignores VE as well. When deadline comes, VE ONLY talks to Prome about sandro. It's like he's setting stuff up, he even asks Prome:
On January 23 2014 07:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh man and he comes in in the eleventh hour too. Unreal.

Prome is sandroba scum for that meta thing? Is anyone scum to you?

On January 23 2014 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
What ranks him higher than sandroba who is A) a lurker and B) trying to get you lynched? Is it just the fact that he's set to be lynched?

And look! Prome responds!
On January 23 2014 07:44 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 07:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
What ranks him higher than sandroba who is A) a lurker and B) trying to get you lynched? Is it just the fact that he's set to be lynched?


I find fool likelier scum than sand. Sand pulls this shit as town while fool hasn't done so in my experience. I wouldn't be unhappy with a sand list, it isn't my preference but I wouldn't hate it.


Prome's vote is on Foo. VE's vote is on Foo. sandro has a very weak vote on Prome and disappeared off the face of the earth. Foo and Prome had the same amount of votes there (although Foo was leading). Prome then promptly tried to explain himself to Hapa so Hapa would unvote him and Foo would gain the most amount of votes! And well Foo later gained 6 votes to Prome's 3 votes
Doesn't seem too good to be true!? Whenever sandro flips, Prome and VE look good for life!
If Prome flips, VE and sandro look good too (VE for the initial "suspicions" on Prome, sandro for the vote)
If VE flips, Prome looks good (for that initial push)

I FOUND OUT YOUR SECRETS SCUM!!!!

lol this is incredibly fun
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 00:23 GMT
#932
On January 23 2014 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever just lynch me next, I'll help you guys decide who to lynch after me.


okay
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 00:39 GMT
#939
I'm feeling better about Foo as well. I have to reread the whole stuff first though, and check his posts near deadline of course.

One thing that makes me feel better is this:

On January 23 2014 06:43 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 06:38 gonzaw wrote:
Foo, do you think maybe both sandro and marv are town? Care to answer that?

Initial response is no. If they are both town then who is mafia? Promethelax, HolyFlare, and like, VE I guess? That doesn't make sense as there is no other third to put in.

WaveOfShadow's vote might be sketchy, but watch the people who hammer this (marvellosity and company).

And yes I'm actually saying that now because it needs to be said in case you guys are that incapable of reading my posts.


I tried setting up a trap for Foo here. Foo was VERY confident on lots of people being town, and VERY confident on Holy and Prome being scum. By cross referencing it with the player list, then from his POV, he basically only had 2 unknowns: marvellosity and sandroba.
If he's town, he'd obviously know this and show it to me in his answers to my pressing question. If he's scum, I thought maybe he'd slip up and say something like "I dunno, yes, it's possible both are town" or some fluffy shit like that.
The fact he didn't makes me feel a little bit better about him. Of course he can be scum fooling me bla bla bla, but he responded correctly in a quick and effective matter. Even if he was scum planning it maybe he'd figure out my trap and be more obvious about it, I dunno.
Oh well.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 00:45 GMT
#940
On January 23 2014 09:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
The conclusion should read read one more scum on Foolishness OR Prome. I firmly believe(d) VE to be town and I know my own alignment but I'm setting it up for you guys.


Please go see your nearest doctor
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 00:48 GMT
#942
Hey kita, I think your Mafia Combinatorics thing might be useful here.

For example, VE and Foo just can't be scum together.
I believe Prome and kita can't be scum together either (BOTH kita and sandro being on him and kita doing nothing, specially not jumping on the sandro wagon (when he already has a vote on another scumbuddy) doesn't make sense).

We could cross other possible scumteams out, and maybe get somewhere.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 00:51 GMT
#947
We also have to consider the possibility of Holy/Toad being scum. If that's the case, then there would only be 1 more scum at deadline besides sandro, and that changes things (for instance, that scum alone can't do anything and he can't plan anything, etc).

I'm kind of gearing towards H/T being town. Specially with Holy's last vote. It seemed genuine (that a host would tell him to vote). Even more, it would be a good opportunity to vote Prome, or Foo, or some other guy right? But he obviously wasted it on me. If he's scum, seems like a waste opportunity.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 00:58 GMT
#949
On January 23 2014 09:50 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 09:45 gonzaw wrote:
On January 23 2014 09:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
The conclusion should read read one more scum on Foolishness OR Prome. I firmly believe(d) VE to be town and I know my own alignment but I'm setting it up for you guys.


Please go see your nearest doctor
(You were also really scummy on me, in part, because I was townie on foolish, and now you...it seems believe us both to be town? Or likely town. I'm more biased about that read, but lynching scum doesn't make all our other reads right )


Well, I may need to see a doctor too.

On January 23 2014 09:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 09:48 gonzaw wrote:
Hey kita, I think your Mafia Combinatorics thing might be useful here.

For example, VE and Foo just can't be scum together.
I believe Prome and kita can't be scum together either (BOTH kita and sandro being on him and kita doing nothing, specially not jumping on the sandro wagon (when he already has a vote on another scumbuddy) doesn't make sense).

We could cross other possible scumteams out, and maybe get somewhere.

I could get in on this. Why can't VE/Foolishness be scum? Purely interaction-based?


VE was semi-active in the thread at deadline, but didn't give a shit about Foo at that point. I'd think with their scumbuddy getting lynched on D1 with 4 votes at the time, he would. Instead, he asks some questions to Prome and promptly disappears. At that point Foo and Prome had 4 votes each....yeah seems unlikely he'd be so casual about it.
Also, before that, VE brought up sandro, Holy and Foo, yet parked his vote on Foolishness. First he did so on Holy, then "sheeped" me when I asked people to vote Foolishness. However, later I vote Holy instead and yet he keeps his vote on Foo. This would be the perfect opportunity to either: sheep me again into Holy, or straight up unvoting Foo and maybe vote Prome who he apparently had a scumread on. Doesn't make sense to keep a totally unnecessary vote on his scumbuddy who is leading the lynch (Foo had like 3 votes at that point I believe or something, or just 2 I think).
Also, VE had reasons to vote Prome (he was his "read"), and he even talked about Holy. Makes little sense for him to choose scumbuddy Foo out of those 3.

Some of this may be WIFOM, but overall I think it just doesn't make sense for VE and Foo to be scum together
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 02:15 GMT
#954
On January 23 2014 10:51 kitaman27 wrote:
Doubt I'll be rereading tonight. Ask me tomorrow.


Tomorrow?


So, Sunderland won against Man United. Peñarol lost. Nacional won. We lynched scum on D1. I ate some fabulous pizza tonight.

Life's good, man, life's good.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 02:58 GMT
#955
Anyways, I just remembered how scum Grey/iGrok tended to post in MTG Mini Mafia 2, where they started making "sense" and shit like in D3 or something, but were scummy/lurking/not making sense in early days (and then of course I almost fuck things up by lynching everybody but them).

Then I look at Foo this game, and see some similarities in play and evolution of the play.
I guess I won't completely rule Foo out. He was almost lynched yesterday anyways, let's see what pressure he gets now.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 23 2014 03:29 GMT
#956
Okay, last thing before I go to sleep
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 23 2014 09:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 09:22 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 23 2014 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 23 2014 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
But Wave, rather than speculate on whether a bus could have occurred, which votes do you think are possible bus votes? Surely we have the time to look into this now.

Of course.
I'm not in anyway stating that is for sure what happened, but I'm not crossing it off my list or considering it unlikely. I've seen way too much retarded bussing, and just because of the supposed calibre of player in this game I refuse to discount it.
Now considering the lynch happened with only 5 people and gonzaw is all but confirmed town that only leaves the other 4. The 'hammer' happened too quickly for me to put much thought into it. The scenario I could see here is an indignant scumteam member looking at sandro's 'contributions' this game, realizing where it was going once the push began and jumping on for supercred (supercred, considering how most people it seems will be viewing this lynch, ie all 5 voters being likely town considering circumstances), especially since snadro didn't seem to do much to change things after he popped in, spewed some crap and left.

The other scenario is sandro giving 'permission' to bus once he himself realized where it was going once gonzaw started up.

In terms of likelihood I can't honestly be certain if one scenario seems more likely than another here, as there are many people in this game I have never seen play scum and so marv's saying 'only bad TL scum do this' doesn't mean much.


No no, this is still all speculation. We need to talk about votes.

Which specific votes in particular look like possible bus votes? Which look like town votes?

You can talk all you want about the scumteam, but it's pointless unless you determine which votes are the ones in question.

Alright.
Gonzaw is clean, likely austin as well because there isn't even any time in between those votes to discuss anything if austin were scum, and it really would be a horrible thing to do to your team if he were considering where the therad was at that time.

Right around then, (page 42) Foolishness can be seen to be basically defending sandro. Again question becomes, is this scum blatantly defending a buddy here, or town pushing his own idea of what's good? Impossible to tell.

Moving on, marv and hapa votes. There was enough time in between where gonzaw did his thing and the 3rd/4th votes popped on that either of my earlier scenarios could have taken place, especially if 2/3rds of the scumteam are around. Pure voting analysis with my 'speculation' in mind does not eliminate either of those two, however it does likely preclude them BOTH being scum because the only way that happens is if sandroba told them both to bus him immediately. Plausible, not likely (since it eliminates the lone 'indignant scum member' case). If that did in fact happen, we may very well be in trouble, but given the thread's (and my) townread on Hapa I don't think it's the case. Prome obviously cannot be eliminated either, and may in fact be most likely considering all that went down, and his considerable decline in posting quality right around the deadline.

Conclusions: I believe one scum to be on the sandroba wagon---either marv/hapa OR Prome, and one more on Foolishness (or is Toad).


I believe there can be only one way for that kind of coordination between the scum to happen, and that is if the WHOLE scumteam was on IRC at the same time paying very close attention to what is going on in the thread.
I remember doing something like that in previous games. I think it was Themed Mafia (with marvy scumbuddy) we did something like that?

The point is, either scum did that, or they did nothing (no communication at all). If you, as scum, are not on IRC, in 5 or so minutes you can't fully communicate via QT strategies and the like, you just can't (or even less, the time between the 1st 2 votes, and marv's, Hapa's and Prome's votes).
So either all scum were on it almost the instant me and austin voted sandro, or none of them communicated at all.
If none of them communicated at all, then I just have to say all of those are town. I don't think scum would take that chance (specially if BOTH Foo and Prome are town), without knowing what his buddies think etc. The only one I could see doing this is marv I guess.
If scum did communicate instantly via IRC, then it could happen. They get instant feedback and strategy talk about what to do, most likely in some sort of panic, and then maybe Prome, marv or Hapa (as scum) sheep the sandro vote.
Still, I think it may be too unlikely. Remember, it was still 4 votes to Foo and 2 to sandro at that point. If I was scum, I'd most likely say "Ehmm, let's just wait, Foo is still getting lynched" and not risk it. I'd even feign being afk or something for example.


I also kind of changed my mind about Holy/Toad (again). I'm getting some clear stuff about the game in my mind, but I'd prefer to take it slowly from here on out.
I won't be here on D2 likely so it's not like me getting all jiggly even matters.
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