[I] [S] Shadow Mini Mafia - Page 9

On January 25 2014 07:20 Toadesstern wrote:


see this:

so he agrees in principal, but you seem to have a problem with the fact that I didn't go back and read his filter and like I said, I still had 10 or so pages left inbetween to read, I still had to reread the voting section, I still had to watch through WoS filter and that's what I've done so far. Like I said, reading Holy's filter isn't even on the list of things I want to do, I'm going through foolish's filter right now and probably will take another look at prior to deadline afterwards.

I just don't get why you think it's that strange that if I left them out in the first place it's so weird that I haven't read his filter when obviously other filters are way more important

On January 25 2014 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:
That one, right?



I think it makes him look bad to just drop it out of nowhere, without any kind of explanation and to do an almost 180. Just like I said when I answered it from the Sandroba point of view and if what you pointed out in your bigger post is true it's literally the same thing. Want me to repeat it?
That's the reason I'm in his filter right now.

He did mention BOTH Holy (aka me) and Sandro early, really early and he has been going on about it
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I find that post to be the prime example of this to be honest. So he thinks Sandro is mafia and very clearly states so, but doesn't vote him, he thinks marv is mafia, he thinks Holy is mafia and I guess he was on prome around that time already?
That just doesn't make sense to me and yeah like you said he completly and utterly dropped both Holy and Sandro later on like nothing happened. Marv and Prom are understandable because they voted Sand but the Sand and Holy drops are weird.

On January 25 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:
honestly wave, gonzaw's case boils down to simply that central point.

On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:

As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town.

I win games.

On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:

That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE.

Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time).

On January 25 2014 10:49 Foolishness wrote:

Me explaining why you are mafia and should be lynched:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137&currentpage=53#1056

What I said about VE on day 1 still applies:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137&currentpage=23#447

But as I said I would be fine lynching either of you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137&currentpage=63#1246

Now that I gave you indisputable evidence that Promethelax is town (regardless of what you think I am) who is your mafia team?

As a side note, for the list of reasons I want to lynch you we can also add "diverting the town with strange conspiracy theories about what happened on the day 1 lynch".

On January 25 2014 10:54 Foolishness wrote:
Wait, how is it bullying someone into looking elsewhere when it's the truth?

That's like saying someone who says, "there's no way the government would plan the attack on 9/11", is bullying you into becoming a slave to society.

But also, your analysis fails to comment upon the numerous vote information I brought to the thread during the night (all made before your post keep in mind), the clear evidence that Promethelax is town, the mindset the mafia had during day 1 and the first lynch, and an outline of a plan for the town to win the game based on the lynch, votes and interactions.

On January 25 2014 12:11 kitaman27 wrote:


I think it's between VE and Foolishness for me. Wave seems like he is putting enough effort into the game to warrant surviving at least one cycle longer than these two. I haven't seen a compelling argument against Toad yet. Holy was scummy null for me, but that was off a limited amount of posts. I'm mostly in wait and see mode on him.

I'm on the fence with VE right now. A lot of the things he is doing I can see from a town or mafia VE. As of right now, Foolishness is the best lynch in my opinion.

On January 25 2014 12:17 kitaman27 wrote:


I don't have you in my top 2 at the moment?

On January 25 2014 12:28 austinmcc wrote:
The thing I like least about Toad is that there's no branching. You were mafia before he read your filter thoroughly (all this filter stuff MAY be "i read his filter, then he posted a bunch of large posts at the start of D2, then I have to read his new filter", not sure. If this bit is the case, all of this is less applicable to everything).

He recognizes that VE hits some of the same triggers as you do - lack of activity at lynch time, specifically. But he doesn't look harder into VE. He's tunneled into you. I don't love that, but I don't think I dislike it in a "toad looks scummy" way, more in a "I wish that toad would also tunnel everyone else, because he's just going full bore after one guy pretty much and wasn't around for D1 so that's not a lot of toadthoughts"

On January 25 2014 12:26 austinmcc wrote:
I still kinda like Toad. Liked HF. Don't care that Toad didn't read HF's filter. Wish there was more current contribution, because I think a lot of the early stuff has to be discounted given his lack of feel for the time right before lynch.

As far as his case on you, I think it starts off in a ... townie way I guess? For whatever reason, I view him as accusing you SOLELY because of your absence at lynch time, the 20 minute stuff, to be a townie-ish thing? That's a weak ass reason to vote someone over anyone and anything else in the game.

He explicitly states, with his vote on you and having said you're his favorite lynch, that he's still trying to get through your filter (vote early on, reading filter recently). I don't LOVE the idea of mafia straight up saying that they're going through the filter of a guy AFTER voting him.

So, right now I was townie on HF, and I'm now looking kinda townie on Toad. I think the majority of his early posts on you are not convincing of anything because they're based on little and he explicitly hasn't read you.

Overall, I find his case terribly unconvincing, but I think it comes from the right place.

On January 25 2014 12:33 kitaman27 wrote:


I think it's a valid point that you weren't sharing any strong opinions or pushing a lynch on day one. Some of the things that I've said about how Foolishness treats the lynch could probably be applied to you as well, which is why I'm not eliminating you.

I disagree with the way he paints your absence from the lynch as "convenient" as if you planned to throw down a vote decided not to post because it benefited you. I think it's more likely that you simply weren't around. I'm also concerned about the fact that he seems to only take day one events into account. It's unclear how caught up with the thread he actually is.

Could you refer me to the posts that from yourself/gonzaw that you think best summarize the case against him?