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On January 26 2014 05:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 05:05 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 05:00 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, why are you refusing to talk about VE?
He's the hotspot in the thread at the moment, yet you are the only one going on a tangent with WoS about Foo or whatever and not discussing him at all. I've said that I'd like to see if this continues and judge him the next day. I know ongoing game... but check out SMB mini mafia d2 lynch and my post directly before that. That gives you a good idea. Shouldn't be a problem to mention this as I've already flipped. That'll maybe take you 60 seconds You think VE is doing something similar to what you did in that game?
no, he certainly doesn't have the balls to just die for town's sake like I did and the situation's different as well.
That's why I said I want to see what he's doing from now on. People being mad can do all kind of crazy shit. He said he's not mad anymore but apathetic. If this continues I'm more than willing to lynch him but I want to see if this changes with a sack of sleep.
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On January 26 2014 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 01:48 Toadesstern wrote:It just doesn't make sens: On January 24 2014 11:26 Foolishness wrote:On January 24 2014 11:19 austinmcc wrote:
Side note, just putting this in thread while trying to chart stuff out.
IF Foolishness is mafia, then mafia Foolishness and mafia Sandroba were both pushing unknown alignment Promethelax yesterday. That combo means very very very very very very very very very likely that Promethelax is town.
That also means that the ONLY people voting not-mafia on D1 were Kitaman and HF.
Foolishness alignment unknown. Votes not perfectly telling, but WoS and VE both on Foolishness, and if he were mafia and actually looking like he might be lynched, I would expect not just a Foolish push towards votes on Prome, but a vote swap from the other mafia onto Prome.
So the possibilities of the third player in a Foolishness/Sandroba/x team really get chopped down and, to me, look like they consist only of Kita. I brought this up in my earlier post as well. The options are limited and are not congruent with the rest of the thread. WoS or VE today.##Vote: WaveOfShadow into -> a little explanation, take note that it's explanation about WoS and VE -> On January 25 2014 10:49 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 10:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). And what makes me the most likely scum candidate over someone like VE or Toad? What have I done in this game to deserve the 'Most objectively scummy award?' And you know, as an aside something gonzaw mentioned really strikes home with me here. You keep pushing the lynch on four of us---if Toad is scum as I surmise, then you win simply because you mislynch the other three, and you hope to gain the sweet lovely towncred you crave. Even IF I somehow go down today (which isn't happening), immediately upon my flip the thread realizes something is up and your 'lynch 4 and win' plan never comes to fruition. Me explaining why you are mafia and should be lynched: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=53#1056What I said about VE on day 1 still applies: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=23#447But as I said I would be fine lynching either of you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=63#1246Now that I gave you indisputable evidence that Promethelax is town (regardless of what you think I am) who is your mafia team? As a side note, for the list of reasons I want to lynch you we can also add "diverting the town with strange conspiracy theories about what happened on the day 1 lynch". into -> On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you [note: you=WoS] and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). aka, thought it's WoS and VE from the start of d2, when asked explains why WoS and VE into "yep it's totally WoS and the guy who's voting WoS. without any kind of explanation ##unvote
##vote Foolishness Actually Toad's reasoning for suspecting Foolishness kinda comes out of nowhere doesn't it? Like when I read Foolish's post, it seemed like VE or WoS for today's lynch, then later on he was calling out WoS AND Toad as the final scums. The first posts didn't seem like he thought both VE and WoS are scum, and that's what Toad is arguing (I think), but that's not how I read it. Toad what is the basis of your Foolish suspicion? Before the sequence of posts that led to this post, you were townie on Foolish right?
It all adding up.
Mafiaread on Holy suddenly disappears without anything.
Mafiaread on Sandro disappears without anything, even suddenly calling it a bad lynch when he's about to be lynched instead.
Mafiaread on WoS+me makes no sense whatsoever
Keeps focusing on explaining this Foolishness+prom situation instead of just posting and explaining any of his mafiareads or why they suddenly dropped away.
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On January 26 2014 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Isn't that what him explaining the Foolishness/Prom situation is? Explaining why his mafiareads have changed?
go ahead and point at where he is:
On January 25 2014 09:35 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 00:08 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:
Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread This is the post that still bothers me the most about Foolishness when he groups austin and sandroba in his null reads. Foolishness, I know you stated several times that you were treating sandroba as wait and see, but what are the "strong appearances" and "things brought to the thread" that you are referring to with sandroba's posts. I mentioned earlier that I disagreed with his assessment, but you didn't reply. Could you please point out what you were seeing? This is from a while ago, but his posts I saw when I made that post were: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=20#381http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=21#408And I thought these were fine at the time. A lot of you seem to think that I'm doing things 12 hours after they happened when in reality it's been a lot closer. I saw sandroba and austin both come to the thread and start posting, and I didn't post long after that (a few hours at most). As I said, my mindset was, "well they've been kinda afk so far, but as long as they keep posting I don't have an overwhelming reason to suspect them". Look at my list where I put austin and sandroba in the same category; this is exactly why. Gonzaw kinda brought this up here but let's go through these scenarios cause it's important. Scenario 1Foolishness is mafiaPromethelax is mafiaYes, after seeing that my case on WoS during day 1 didn't have as much merit as I thought at the time, I immediately decided to bus my own teammate. Not only that but I was also under scrutiny in the thread, why would I bring attention to another mafia member when I can push a case on someone else (HolyFlare? Marv maybe?). Better for me to just keep pushing on WoS or pick a new target, no sense is putting two mafia members under scrutiny on day 1. Speaking of HolyFlare, this is off topic from my current explanation but when I went back later on and reread his posts I thought he might be town. I don't even remember why but that's what I thought. I don't like reading into people getting replaced out so I focused my attention elsewhere. If HolyFlare is town I expect Toad to be able to prove it to us sooner and not later. And by sooner I mean end of night 2 at the absolute latest. Secnario 2Foolishness is MafiaPromethelax is townThis is the only scenario out of the three that the town should be worried about as I didn't want to switch to sandroba and even said so straight up (the reason I didn't want to was because I saw Marv move his vote and I was really sketchy about him at the time. I didn't like what I was seeing last minute and I got super scared it was just town derp switching onto another town). But as I pointed out in my earlier posts what is the mafia doing the entirety of day 1 when I'm accumulating votes? As gonzaw pointed out this would only make sense if the entire mafia team (but myself) is afk (so like, HolyFlare also mafia). Furthermore, if I'm mafia and Promethelax is town, then wtf is up with sandroba's vote 30 minutes before the deadline? His post wasn't a mafia post trying to save his buddy, that was a mafia pushing what he perceived to be a safe lynch to make his team look pretty for the future days after I flip town or Promethelax flips town. I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. Scenario 3Foolishness is TownPromethelax is mafiaWhy the hell did sandroba push onto Promethelax when he could have easily just been like, "yo guys I've caught Foolishness as mafia in three separate games on day 1/2, this is a free town lynch"? Doesn't make sense. Secnario 4Foolishness is TownPromethelax is TownI brought this up before, but go back and read sandroba's case on Promethelax. After sandroba's vote both Promethelax and I had 3 votes apiece (if I'm not mistaken here). Mafia were very very very happy with the votes at this time. Town Foolishness is under scrutiny and about to get lynched, and second in line is another town who Foolishness (apparently well-known scumhunter) is 100% convinced is mafia. Wow find me a happier mafia team on day 1 in a normal or all-vanilla game. Sandroba was not throwing his vote down to save someone or push for any lynch. Mafia were happy with who was getting lynched that day and there was no need to do anything about it. THIS NEXT PARAGRAPH IS VERY IMPORTANTLook at this from sandroba's point of view in this scenario. The only people with votes are two townies. He drops his vote on Promethelax with the following mindset. "Let's say Foolishness gets lynched. Sweet, I just push on Promethelax the following day and tell the town, 'yeah guys you fucked that up, Foolishness is best scum-hunter NA we gotta lynch Promethelax now'. Let's say Promethelax gets lynched. Sweet, I just admit my mistake and push Foolishness the following day and tell the town, 'yeah damn sorry about that read, this guy Foolishness is definitely mafia and 100% misled the town into a bad lynch. Many people said that lynch was bad from the beginning we should never have listened to Foolishness'". No matter who got lynched sandroba was in a great position, that is until he himself got lynched instead. Sandroba's vote was not a push to get the town to do something. No, it was lazily cast knowing that both suspects were town and he could ride it through the next day.
THIS SHOWS THAT PROMETHELAX IS TOWNLook at all four above scenarios. Scenario 3 makes the least amount of sense cause then sandroba's vote is an awful mistake. Scenario 1 doesn't make sense cause that means I bussed my own teammate (when I could have easily gone after WoS from the start or anyone else) and oh btw also means Promethelax bussed sandroba last minute (keep in mind him and Hapa voted 1 minute apart so in essence they both hammered that vote). The remaining two scenarios both have Promethelax as town. Because he is. Regardless of what you think of me as well, though the above and my earlier posts should prove my innocence as well. If you guys wanna spend 9 hours going down the conspiracy theory hole then cool story bro. Or you can just look at the facts and deduce the following: Town wins if WaveOfShadow, VisceraEyes, Kitaman, and Toad all die.
Also my time is very limited today and tomorrow but I will try to be here when I can.
and no I'm not counting prom. The entire thing focuses on nothing but prom who wasn't even up for discussion at that point and everything there is is that almost final line Town wins if WaveOfShadow, VisceraEyes, Kitaman, and Toad all die. with nothing else to it
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On January 26 2014 05:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 09:04 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 08:42 gonzaw wrote:
The only thing I'm kind of scared is if actually Prome is mafia with sandro and this was some weird gambit, in which they planned on actually getting Foolishness lynched instead.
I mean, you do remember Prome's "We policy lynch lurkers no matter what!" line at the beginning of the game, and he then not doing anything at all regarding sandro right?
Oh god....oh god oh man oh god oh man :O O:
...lol. But other than that, I think we are on good tracks I don't think that's actually possible. Look at the order of events. Starting at this point where there are 6 votes on me and 3 on Promethelax (keep in mind this is 12 minutes before the deadline): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=41#820The six votes on me are (in order of when they occurred): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow, Promethelax, marvellosity, Hapahauli. Now there is definitely some analysis to be done on how these votes accumulated on me but I will save that for later. At this point gonzaw started the switch on sandroba. Austin immediately joined in. Now only gonzaw was voting on me so I'm still winning by a landslide. It's possible that they did this thinking there is no way a bandwagon on sandroba would start, but I highly doubt they would have that attitude. That is, entertain the thought for a second that gonzaw/Austin are actually mafia. They could just hammer the vote on me to ensure a town lynch (incredibly easy for gonzaw to do, Austin could just toss his vote on Promethelax or somewhere else). But that didn't happen. Then marvellosity switches his vote as well. At this point I have 4 votes and Promethelax and sandroba both have 3. Hapa and Promethelax also follow shortly after. It's definitely clear that the switch to sandroba was started and enforced by towns. This was not mafia bussing each other. The big question to answer here is: what reason would mafia have for switching off of me onto sandroba? If I'm town, there's definitely no reason to. I'm hovering around 50% of votes (HolyFlare's vote isn't going to count), it'd be so easy to just ensure that I got voted. The only scenario where the mafia would have reason to switch is if I'm also mafia (which isn't true). But that scenario, however absurd, would be reasonable, thinking that I'm more valuable to the mafia than sandroba is at this point. Thus I am in the belief that the votes on sandroba were mostly, if not 100%, town. Including my top suspect Promethelax. This seems to make a lot more sense given how that went down. What does this all mean? Mafia could have ensured I was lynched if they were on the vote switch, so why bother vote switching in the first place? No, mafia did not vote switch. What's more likely is that the mafia were voting for me but not on the switch (VE, WoS) or the mafia were all voting for Promethelax (me, sandroba, kitaman). Note that kitaman was going against sandroba during day 1. Remember that assuming Promethelax is town, mafia were in a great position at the end of the day. Town Foolishness has 6 votes and the runner up at 3 votes is also town. This is great for them cause they get to decide who's getting lynched. If I'm mafia why is there not more votes on Promethelax and where is my team to defend me? Sure I got kitaman pushing for Promethelax but I was in a desperate situation there. Things wouldn't have unfolded the way they did if that was the case. So instead this means that mafia were likely already voting for me. But they wouldn't want to go with the vote switch since that was on a mafia. VE is the only person that fits this bill since he was strangely absent during lynch time (and he posted 15 minutes after the lynch). WoS would be gone but I did feel his vote on me was questionable (will look into that later don't worry). Mafia were voting for me and were sitting comfortably, and when a vote switch happened they weren't around for it.
That would be an explanation if his suspects hadn't completly changed. So how did I end up together with WoS as his mainsuspects?
And again, when asked for reasoning he quoted stuff about you and WoS
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On January 26 2014 05:53 gonzaw wrote:
One way I think about it is this: By doing so, the scum in the "unconfirmed" blend in pretty well. If ALL the "unconfirmed" vote for Foo once the day ends...how do you distinguish between them? They all voted the same guy for the same reasons basically, you can't really differentiate them that much. This is independent on whether Foo is scum or not.
If Foo is scum, then 3 out of those 4 is town, and 1 is scum. The scum is jumping on the bus on Foo. But why? This makes it very likely Foo gets lynched, yet by sheeping the "confirmed", he can easily get VE lynched...if VE is not scum. Would he be scared, because he "jumps out" of all the other unconfirmed by being the only "unconfirmed" on VE? Then if VE flips town he'd be put under scrutiny? But bussing Foo is basically losing the game right now, isn't it? Wouldn't he take the chance? Or maybe he thinks Foo is still not getting lynched today and is bussing him anyways?
Of course, a very interesting scenario is both VE and Foo being scum.
Wave, Toad, kita, VE. You guys are the ones doing this. What do you think of this phenomenon?
I've mentioned that I got cold feet right now, didn't I? It's for a reason...
Foo+VE seems to be the most logical explanation right now simply because VE does whatever.
If that's not the case then I'd say mafia has no long term plan and tries to hang on by a day by day basis and watch what can be done. So pretty much hoping for paranoia after a while and hope to somehow get people to lynch into one of the other 4 people.
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On January 26 2014 06:03 gonzaw wrote:
So Toad, you are happy with any of VE or Foo getting lynched today then?
I'd really like your thoughts on VE
I haven't looked into VE yet and like I said, I want to see how he changes tomorrow. But VE makes sense given the situation we're in assuming my read on Foo is right. I'd much rather lynch Foo before lynching into VE because of nothing but "because he'd make sense together with Foo" if Foo hasn't even flipped yet...
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hey VE, if you're still there, do what WoS asked you to do.
Start quoting what got you angry. I don't care what it is, start doing so.
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Well this might be another explanation to gonzaws question: Mafia was confident that foolishness isn't going to get lynched because VE would keep doing whatever and this all ended up being a minor gamble.
Gonzaw, come over to the sunny side, we still have cookies.
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On January 26 2014 06:36 gonzaw wrote:
Who's the other scum then Toad? kita, WoS, or a "confirmed"?
in the case you quoted? Could be WoS or Kita. First assumption would be kita because he's the guy who just unvoted and voted VE but could as well be mafia banking on one guy hopping over.
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I've voted WoS earlier on and should be on that list canceled out if that matters
Foolish, how about you explain how WoS + me being mafia makes any sense whatsoever when you've been saying that it's probably VE+WoS all the time
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I'm here, I'm doing something else but I f5 in 10 minute intervalls or so
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On January 26 2014 07:32 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, what do you think of Foo's last posts?
Me and kita are kind of on the fence with this lynch, and have enough votes to swing the lynch to either VE or Foolishness. You think VE is town then? Will you try to convince us to lynch Foo, or will you do nothing until deadline waiting for your townread to get lynched?
I don't have a townread on VE, if I had one I'd be kicking and screaming. I didn't come to a conclusion on him because the same happened to me like 4 days ago and I happened to be town in that game which is giving me shivers.
I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now.
I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. That should already be enough if you seem to have the same problems I have with the recent stuff he has posted.
Again, there's cookies over here so please come over
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On January 26 2014 07:40 Foolishness wrote:
[... snipped out for thread's sake...]
only talking about the part that answered me. Than what about this:
On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you [note: you=WoS] and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time).
I might add that I've been voting WoS ever since the start of D2, you seem to be pretty certain on WoS, you see me voting WoS as well, you're torn between VE and me and you think I'm the better candidate for the 2nd mafia seat than VE becaaaaause?
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On January 26 2014 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:40 Foolishness wrote:
[... snipped out for thread's sake...] only talking about the part that answered me. Than what about this: Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you [note: you=WoS] and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). I might add that I've been voting WoS ever since the start of D2, you seem to be pretty certain on WoS, you see me voting WoS as well, you're torn between VE and me and you think I'm the better candidate for the 2nd mafia seat than VE becaaaaause?
Add to that, that when you answered that question and showed explanation you showed explanation on WoS + VE when VE is the guy that dropped out of your list and was replaced with me. Shouldn't you have at least some kind of explanation for why I got into that #2 position in favor of VE when you make such a bold statement as to say that team mafia is WoS and me bussing each other while hoping that whoever survives skates through until lylo?
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On January 26 2014 07:52 gonzaw wrote:Hmmm.... Well.......maybe we should keep the lynch on VE. Toad, I don't get it: Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 07:39 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 07:32 gonzaw wrote:
Toad, what do you think of Foo's last posts?
Me and kita are kind of on the fence with this lynch, and have enough votes to swing the lynch to either VE or Foolishness. You think VE is town then? Will you try to convince us to lynch Foo, or will you do nothing until deadline waiting for your townread to get lynched? I don't have a townread on VE, if I had one I'd be kicking and screaming. I didn't come to a conclusion on him because the same happened to me like 4 days ago and I happened to be town in that game which is giving me shivers. I'm kind of busy right now and only f5'in inbetween. I've told you guys to get on Foo, I told you multiple times so far and it's been ignored. I don't have the time to make a case right now. I DO think Foolishness is the way better lynch though and I DO think that reading VE tomorrow will be easier than today. That should already be enough if you seem to have the same problems I have with the recent stuff he has posted. Again, there's cookies over here so please come over VE basically gave up a long time ago, and I doubt he'll "pick up" and start putting effort. Why would you think reading VE will get any easier? What if he keeps doing nothing and saying he's apathetic and doing the stuff he did this D2? Will you say "Let's keep him around till D4, SURELY it'll be easier to read him by then"?
If he continues to be emotional, yes lynch him. If he pulls himself together we can watch what he does d3.
Speaking from my experience, I just needed a sack of sleep to cool down, that's why.
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not really.... I'm trying really hard to not be a dick here, believe me I'm trying
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On January 26 2014 08:09 gonzaw wrote:
Foo, right now these are your "scum suspects": Toad/kita/WOS.
Choose the scum between them based on this lynch. Now
can I answer this? Can I answer this? I got a pie-chart:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7sroMdW.png)
I gave in to being a dick...
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A picture is easier to understand for people who don't know set theory but it's usually "don't post stupid pictures"
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On January 26 2014 08:29 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 08:16 Foolishness wrote:On January 26 2014 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On January 26 2014 08:09 gonzaw wrote:
Foo, right now these are your "scum suspects": Toad/kita/WOS.
Choose the scum between them based on this lynch. Now can I answer this? Can I answer this? I got a pie-chart: I gave in to being a dick... Actually this is really good information. + Show Spoiler +If you thought it was a dick thing to do you could have just typed that all out? It is good information that you are scum in that chart? So...you confess being scum? Since apparently it's "good information"
He's going to tell you that the chart is the reason he thinks it's WoS/Kita.
WoS because he's still certain about him readwise, Kita because of d1+d2 combination and that he himself looks bad because he got back too late and couldn't catch up in time.
I guess we should all reread Kitas filter tomorrow (as in, it's 00:40 am over here). There was no discussion about him whatsoever today. I got my sweet time, VE had his sweet time, Foolish had his sweet time and so did WoS but I don't actually remember anyone talking about Kita.
The piechart is obviously a gross exaggeration. I didn't have a townread on VE at all, and WoS... well he did but I don't know if that makes it any better to come up with a townread on VE... but I do think it has some information to it that shouldn't be ignored.
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@gonzaw, + Show Spoiler [your post] +On January 26 2014 08:50 gonzaw wrote:
Anyways, apparently that "super bad case" from WoS about VE being town was right......
...congratz Wave?
@Foo: You think scum Wave was buddying up to VE there then? Your read of him changes nothing based on that fact? He defended VE ever since D1 (way WAY back), and he kept consistent with it.
At points even he felt almost compelled to vote VE based on VE doing some shit, yet didn't.
Also, please explain, in really attentive detail, what makes you go from having Holy as sure scum on D1, to having Toad as "very very likely town" right now. I mean, from your POV you have 3 people to be scum, and you leave Toad out of it.
From what you've been posting I don't see anything to make me think you really think he's super duper town. So what is it? Care to point out some quotes, or something?
@Toad: What do you think of Foo apparently buddying up to you now? I mean, he called you the most likely scum after VE, yet now he backed out of that apparently and thinks kita is scum with Wave.
You "know" he's scum, so do you think he'd continuously buddy up to you to bus his teammate kita? He could have easily said "WoS/Toad" up there. That would be consistent with what he said last night, and from your POV it would be on 2 townies. That'd be good for a kita+Foo scumteam right?
On January 26 2014 08:53 gonzaw wrote:
Anyways, I kind of feel good about kita, regarding the deadline activities.
He was here all throughout before deadline, poking Foo, even trying to figure out with me if we should lynch either VE or Foo. I.e he was engaged trying to figure out the lynch.
Toad, if you think kita is scum, do you see him doing this? Specially if he attacks his scumbuddy Foo and the like?
If you think Wave is scum, do you think he'd defend VE SO MUCH all over D1 and D2, yet bus his buddy Foolishness all D1 and all D2?
I had this secondary post when Kita unvoted and it instantly popped into my mind:
On January 26 2014 06:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Well this might be another explanation to gonzaws question: Mafia was confident that foolishness isn't going to get lynched because VE would keep doing whatever and this all ended up being a minor gamble.
Gonzaw, come over to the sunny side, we still have cookies.
Yeah I think he could, mafia's bound to do go to extremes to even have a chance at this so might as well go a bit risky there.
About Foo buddying me? I don't make anything if it yet. I said that I thought foolishness it townie while catching up because he had a bunch of posts that I simply agreed with and we both thought exactly the same way about things, it's his final conclusions that freak me out. So him having the same thoughts as I isn't really an issue here if he'd just for once get to the same conclusions as I do...
It's always this sudden "yeah sandro mafia but he's a bad lynch"
"yeah holy mafia but let's forget about this"
"yeah VE looks really bad but let's get Toad back in this instead"
"yeah I agree with Toad on VE but let's lynch VE nevertheless"...
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