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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 17:45 GMT
#1007
On January 24 2014 02:43 gonzaw wrote:
lol ninja'd


gotcha!
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 17:57 GMT
#1011
On January 24 2014 02:55 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 02:42 Promethelax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 21 2014 13:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think if he's town he's biased and it's bullshit to be so biased already, but whatever. It makes him more likely to be scum to me, but no, I'm reading him as town presently.


So this post happened. VE thinks I am biased and that makes me more likely to be scum. And yet, for no reason, I am town to him. Hapa said he thought this was indicative of a townie who was bothered at being accused for something that didn't make him scum but I see it as just as likely to come from a scum mad at a townie calling him scum for a reason that he feels could be equally applied to a town player.


I think he said that about Hapa, not you Prome


oh damn. Going back you are right. Not that the case as a whole is discounted.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 17:57 GMT
#1012
On January 24 2014 02:56 gonzaw wrote:
I think the most convincing argument you can do about scum VE is he hasn't done shit. The only thing worth remembering him for is that Prome read he had like 3 hours into D1. But he did fuck all with that one later as we all know.


And his behaviour during the lynch.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 18:29 GMT
#1018
seriously VE? You wanna concede or what bro?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 18:33 GMT
#1022
Ha. Ha.

There is very little to discuss because you haven't contributed to anything in this game, you were here for the scum lynch but didn't do anything to push that lynch and instead attacked a townie over switching onto a scum vote.

Try doing something instead of whining. You've got a unique perspective on things if you are town, so I'm told. So do something with it.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 18:36 GMT
#1025
Yeah VE, get mad, quit the thread on a flimsy excuse. You know that doesn't actually help your faction right? Because you will be lynched for that; and if you happen to be town I'll be mad at you. I doubt you are town but fuck, try at least.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 18:49 GMT
#1037
Well Kita, why did you abandon your silly pairings?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 18:50 GMT
#1038
And what piars do you still see as viable? And which are not viable?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 20:28 GMT
#1090
On January 24 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 24 2014 05:18 gonzaw wrote:
I try not to be an asshole normally, but you are walking right into that shit VE

I'm not walking into anything, I'm literally trying to have a conversation. You're being an asshole for no reason. I'm saying please stop. Now please stop.


You are suggesting that the three leading votes candidates, all of whom strongly pushed each other are all scum together. And you are getting mad when people suggest that that assumption is anyone but silly.

VE look, you aren't dumb, you aren't bad and you usually don't get caught up in conspiracy theories. What is it about this game. This time. That leads you to going for the most complex solution to the problem?

Why is Kita off the table when a few minutes ago you said kita's use of the town pairs thing made him scum. Why are fool and I scum together? Why is either of us scum individually? I just don't understand what your thought process is at all this game dude. And generally I'm there with you but here I'm not at all.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 20:32 GMT
#1092
On January 24 2014 05:30 Foolishness wrote:
Kita is not off the table, but I don't think he's our lynch tomorrow.


Sorry I dot mean over all. I meant for VE. He was talking about Kita but has replaced him with you and me on his list of most likely scum so why is Kita off the table for VE.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 20:59 GMT
#1104
On January 24 2014 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 05:28 Promethelax wrote:
On January 24 2014 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 24 2014 05:18 gonzaw wrote:
I try not to be an asshole normally, but you are walking right into that shit VE

I'm not walking into anything, I'm literally trying to have a conversation. You're being an asshole for no reason. I'm saying please stop. Now please stop.


You are suggesting that the three leading votes candidates, all of whom strongly pushed each other are all scum together. And you are getting mad when people suggest that that assumption is anyone but silly.

VE look, you aren't dumb, you aren't bad and you usually don't get caught up in conspiracy theories. What is it about this game. This time. That leads you to going for the most complex solution to the problem?

Why is Kita off the table when a few minutes ago you said kita's use of the town pairs thing made him scum. Why are fool and I scum together? Why is either of us scum individually? I just don't understand what your thought process is at all this game dude. And generally I'm there with you but here I'm not at all.

It's not complex, it's actually really really simple.

Foolishness, semi-lurker, is paired with sandroba, hard lurker and Promethelax, hard lurker. Foolish decides to try and get a wagon going on Promethelax, knowing that towns typically don't go for lurker lynches and crazy VE is voting for him too so meh. Town, unsurprisingly, votes for another lurker. Generally not a problem, but in this case it's the OTHER scum. So Promethelax has to come out of hard lurk and vote with town.


I just don't see it. This is so not the reasonable conclusion to come to from this day one. I can't balance out VE being not dumb and ve believing this. I get that you'd consider it because paranoia happens to all of us and I've considered a lot of weird stuff this game, I just don't that this theory is the one you think is most likely and most worth pushing. You've been convinced since early day one that I am scum and haven't updated that read at all through the game, it isn't evolving instead you are working a crazy conspiracy theory to make sense of me still being scum after essentially being the hammer on a scum lynch,

So VE why is this the most likely situation for you? Why am I more scum than fool? Why was Kita mentioned but dropped?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 21:02 GMT
#1108
On January 24 2014 06:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2014 05:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
And it's just something I'm considering. All I know for sure is that I'm town and I THINK Prom scum. I could be convinced that scum actually wanted Foolishness lynched and abandoned ship.



I saw that but it doesn't answer my question. I don't see how you are convinced that I'm scum still and I don't see what that post was supposed to clarify in regards to my post.

I'm talking to you as reasonably as I can but you just aren't listening or participating. Help me here.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 21:06 GMT
#1111
Kita: do scum slips exist?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 21:07 GMT
#1113
So why aren't you a part of town?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 21:10 GMT
#1116
On January 24 2014 06:01 kitaman27 wrote:
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Foolishness (3): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow
Promethelax (2): Foolishness, Kitaman27
Kitaman27 (1): Promethelax
Sandroba (1): marvellosity


This is probably the best place to start with the voting analysis. With 50 minutes to go, the Foolishness vs Prom lynch is wide open. At this point, mafia has their choice of either player to flip.

In a town vs town scenario, mafia generally prefer to vote the player that is not going to flip. That gives them an excuse to push the same player the next cycle, rather than finding a new target to go after.

In town vs mafia, it can usually go two ways. A strong scum player will give their support to their scum buddy by voting the town candidate. From my experience, it is pretty rare to see a mafia player vote their own scum buddy in a close lynch early. A weaker scum player will generally wait until more town votes come in and there is a clearer picture of where the lynch is heading. They may decide to vote for their scum buddy later on if they think that is where the lynch is heading. If they can put their vote on an buddy that isn't going to flip, that's usually the preferred scenario.

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Foolishness (3): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow
Promethelax (3): Foolishness, Kitaman27, sandroba
Kitaman27 (1): Promethelax
Sandroba (1): marvellosity,


Next, sandroba comes in with his vote on Prom. This actually makes me reconsider my red Prom read. If it's town vs town here, sandroba doesn't really care and Prom is town. If it's town Prom vs mafia Foolishness, then the vote makes sense. A mafia prom vs a town foolishness doesn't make much sense. It would be incredibly risky to tie the vote up at 3v3 and his little reward. Sure, Foolishness could flip and sandroba might look better, but at the expense of endangering his scum buddy when he could make it 4v2? If the bus is going on, then it must have been a last minute decision because there is little interaction between the two in the thread. Not much reward there either.

At this point, I also don't think the mafia team was thinking about a sandroba lynch. With 1/8 votes actually on Sandro, he knows he is going to get in trouble for showing up at the last minute, but I don't think mafia is in "lets bus sandroba" mode.

Show nested quote +
Foolishness (4): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow, Promethelax
Promethelax (3): Foolishness, Kitaman27, sandroba
Sandroba (1): marvellosity


Prom returns to the thread and moves his vote over to Foolishness. I had an issue with this at the time, but on second thought I think it's fine as town or mafia. He has already shared suspicion of Foolishness earlier in the thread and his vote is going no where on myself. He doesn't seem to consider sandroba, but it's possible that he doesn't see that as an option yet.

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Foolishness (5): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow, Promethelax, Marvellosity
Promethelax (4): Foolishness, Kitaman27, sandroba, Hapahauli
Sandroba (1): marvellosity


Hapa joins Prom, Marv joins Foolishness. Not much to say here. Vote could still go either way.

Show nested quote +
Foolishness (5): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow, Promethelax, Marvellosity
Promethelax (4): Foolishness, Kitaman27, sandroba, Hapahauli
Sandroba (1): marvellosity
gonzaw (1): HolyFlare


I think this vote from Holy eliminates a Fool-Holy and Prom-Holy mafia team. As a player without any value for the mafia team due to replacement, unless a mafia Holy is 100% cut off from all communication with his scum team, I think he would vote to save a buddy, rather than abstain, even if he wasn't totally caught up.

Show nested quote +
Foolishness (6): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow, Promethelax, Marvellosity, Hapahauli
Promethelax (3): Foolishness, Kitaman27, sandroba
Sandroba (1): marvellosity
gonzaw (1): HolyFlare


At this point, it seems pretty likely that Foolishness is getting lynched with only 10 minutes left in the day.

The vote swap to sandroba comes in the following order: gonzaw, austin, marv, Hapa, Prom

I don't see this as a swap that was mafia driven. It's likely that they were caught off guard here. I have a strong town read on gonza/Hapa, and I'm thinking town Prom due to the reasoning above. marv I was suspicious of most of yesterday before the lynch, but he plays a strong role here and makes some good points throughout the later part of the cycle. Unless it's marv + foolishness (which seems unlikely), I'm leaning town on him as well.

I don't feel that I have a good grasp on austin. He does play a role in the lynch by getting on sandroba 2nd in the swap, but he seemed mostly willing to go with where the town lead him. If Hapa/marv went to Prom instead, it seems like he would have joined them. If there is a mafia in this group of 5, it seems like it would be him, but I need to think more about that.

Finally, we have Foolishness. Based on the way the votes went down, I'm struggling to see who the third scum buddy would be if he is mafia. I don't think he would be with Holy due to the reasons I mentioned earlier. Does VE or WoS really leave Foolishness out to dry by leaving the thread when he is in trouble? marv has too many interactions with him, unless they are trying to put on a show. Prom seems unlikely. gonzaw and Hapa look town, unless there is something I'm really overlooking. That really only lives Foolishness/sandroba/austin. I suppose that could be a possibility with austin being on the "anyone but Foolishness" side of things. It might also explain why austin was reluctant to vote prom when he seemed to be one of his preferred targets a bit before the swap since it would mean all three scum players would be on the same player, which could get ugly late game. I'm somewhat concerned with the fact that he doesn't seem to consider that I could be mafia at any point in the game. From my experience, I usually get called town by the mafia players, while town players are a bit more paranoid. sandroba and austin are also guilty of that this game. I'm probably still leaning town on him, though less so than others.

It seems to be that the individuals who were absent are the ones most likely to be mafia (VE, WoS, Holy), which seems to be where the town is leaning as well. I'm going to reread all three when I have the time.


Town is heading as well as Kita. That means Kita is not a member of town. No?
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 21:17 GMT
#1120
Oh I generally like and agree with the analysis, I agree with Austin being the one on the lynch I'm not confident in (I mentioned this drunk last night, not sure if that was clear, Marv is less town than others for the lynch as well).

I agree that scum is probably within the non sand voters as the way that lynch went down was classic last minute town shennanies.

I hadn't thought about Austin being unwilling to switch due to all scum voting the same and I actually found that to be interesting and rather useful as an insight. In all that was a strong post which I found myself agreeing with and mostly found it made you townier.

If I was to lynch three players right now it would be WoS toad and VE. There is at least one if not two scum on that list. Holy did say something in the early game which looked really townie to me, can't think of what it was though, but besides that one moment he has seemed scummy as hell and his slot simply isn't helping anything.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 21:19 GMT
#1121
Does anyone disagree with next lynch being between those three players? If so who should it be between and why? I have a decent reason for everyone else to be town those three not so much.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 22:46 GMT
#1170
I think terrible posts followed by good posts is a townie thing from foolish more than a scummy thing. No lie his early posting looked horrible and even worse with a Sand flip but he knows that and looks at the thread and figures he can push through on logic and big posts? I see a scum foolish just lurking himself to death there. It would be a depressing place to be as a scummer. It is one reason I like VE (okay, the only reason I like VE) he has been in the thread and actively talking with us all even if his discussion hasn't been all that productive I see him being more depressed if he is scum.

Not that that is a solid reason for a read but it is something I've been keeping in mind.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 22:49 GMT
#1173
Just, okay, if Fool is scum and Sand is scum who is the third scum? He would have to have been pushing my lynch head over heels (or be HF) since the only other options were scum lynches.

There wasn't a player going ass to the wall crazy to get me lynched besides VE and if he was scum watching the scum lynch on foolish fall apart would he really afk and just hope the lynch shifts to me?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 23 2014 22:54 GMT
#1176
On January 24 2014 07:52 gonzaw wrote:
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On January 24 2014 07:46 Promethelax wrote:
I think terrible posts followed by good posts is a townie thing from foolish more than a scummy thing. No lie his early posting looked horrible and even worse with a Sand flip but he knows that and looks at the thread and figures he can push through on logic and big posts? I see a scum foolish just lurking himself to death there. It would be a depressing place to be as a scummer. It is one reason I like VE (okay, the only reason I like VE) he has been in the thread and actively talking with us all even if his discussion hasn't been all that productive I see him being more depressed if he is scum.

Not that that is a solid reason for a read but it is something I've been keeping in mind.


He was somewhat angry right after sandro died.

Also, dunno about you, but I see this as being somewhat depressed:
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On January 24 2014 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well please stop gonzaw, it's literally ruining my game experience. I have no incentive to try and prove my towniness in this kind of environment.

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On January 24 2014 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Do you understand? I want to quit the game because of how you are treating me right now.

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On January 24 2014 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's fine, I'm done with this game. Honestly people are too tunneled in and there's literally nothing I can do. When I try and participate it is shat on, when I try and have conversations with people it's scum claiming, I have literally no will left to play this game.

Sorry austin, you didn't make it.


I guess. I read that more as anger but you aren't really wrong.
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