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And for the record I suppose I should elaborate: was filter diving gonzaw to look at his scumgames since I've never played in one with him. Knowing his ability to post prolifically I essentially was doing a quick skim of post counts to see if it fit with my townread of him and it does.
On January 22 2014 01:59 gonzaw wrote:Anyways Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 01:50 kitaman27 wrote:
When I think of a player that gets off to a trolly start as town, Foolishness is one of the first people to come to mind so I disagree with your assessment based on the posts that you have cherry picked.
I'm still content with my vote on him however based on activity. Ehmm, I'm not really convinced by this. Yes, I cherry picked, and knew it is kind of pointless. I could have just said "read all his filters", but I needed to at least quote 1 or 2 posts (for those that can't be arsed to read his filters). You can easily read his filters (they are short) and come to the conclusion yourself. I'm wondering though, if you think the guide is wrong or something? You don't mention. Do you realize the differences between "scum Foo trolly start" and "town Foo trolly start"? Why do you insinuate his start this game is his "town trolly start" and not scum? If you vote him based on activity that's actually more lame. Town Foo isn't super active as marv either.
This post of his is just one example I found of towniness in gonzaw---once again I'll state I'm not a huge fan of meta but I did find his earlier argument somewhat compelling. I also find it pretty unlikely for mafia to storm into the thread with a whole bunch of obviously cherry picked posts to implicate somebody, and then be fully prepared to admit it.
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On January 22 2014 23:27 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 22 2014 23:18 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 23:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kita is your vote on gonzaw anything but policy atm? My vote is on sandroba. I suppose you could call it policy. I'd much rather lynch him now, over an individual who is playing if he isn't going to contribute. I also expect more than one big post if he does return. I hadn't looked into Prom/Holy/yourself since your names are coming up the most often. I will certainly change my vote from sandroba if I find someone that I'm confident about. Possibly even slightly less than confident. I really wish people would vote sooner though, even if they need to change their mind. This seems like it is going towards the path where everyone shows up with their vote an hour or two before the lynch. Can you explain the logic behind the bolded? You guys are likely going to take the most time. Mostly split my time looking at 5 people last night, those 3 today (and possibly relooking at sandroba/marv) and leaving the rest out of consideration for now.
I disagree. At the time of you posting that, Prome and I didn't exactly have long filters full of varied content---shouldn't be particularly difficult to come up with at the very least a cursory read on either one of us. I agree that Holy (at least to me) would take a little bit of time.
Why would you say that Prome and I will take a lot of time? MAYBE Prome I can agree with if you wanted to do some meta-analysis, but I get the feeling you know me pretty well from this post:
On January 22 2014 03:16 kitaman27 wrote:
I haven't spent much time looking at Wave yet, aside from a couple filter dives, though I don't believe I had a scum read on him at any point. He had a series of uninteresting questions, but that seems to be a common trend in his town games, so I felt it was worth dropping.
What should take a long time about giving a read?
On January 22 2014 23:28 kitaman27 wrote:
What type of answer were you looking for by the way considering you asked that multiple times?
See the above.
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On January 22 2014 23:38 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
I disagree. At the time of you posting that, Prome and I didn't exactly have long filters full of varied content---shouldn't be particularly difficult to come up with at the very least a cursory read on either one of us. I agree that Holy (at least to me) would take a little bit of time. Okay, I guess we choose to use our time differently? Not sure what you're getting at. Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 23:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
What should take a long time about giving a read? Err reading? Looking at Prom at the moment.
What I'm getting at is that I find it odd that you specifically chose three people who appear/appeared to be under scrutiny as lynch targets (named specifically by Foolishness and you, though I'm not certain if the entire thread thought/thinks so) as those you would wait to give reads on, when I would think that giving reads on said targets would probably be the most useful thing for town at any given point.
I'm not even entirely sure the three of us WERE under as much scrutiny as you appeared to believe, but that skirts a fine line between subjectivity and objectivity so I'll let that go.
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On January 22 2014 23:59 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 23:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
I would think that giving reads on said targets would probably be the most useful thing for town at any given point. If that is the case, is there a reason that you haven't given a strong opinion yourself on either individual?
Because I haven't been driven to through conversation, which is often when I do most of my reading/analysis. Very few people have interacted with me at all throughout the game, Holy himself has basically ignored direct posts/questions from me, and so beyond my own cursory notes I have made I haven't attempted to delve much deeper. Unprovoked I often make posts that go ignored until somebody decides to find something scummy in one of them.
I am not you, however, so I am unsure why you think the comparison is fit despite what I said.
Now, would you like to see what I have on Prome/Holy thus far?
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Hmm.
Reading Prome's recent summary has actually inspired me, especially given how a few other players have come up with similar concerns about your posting.
##Vote: kita
My vote on you atm remains independent of my thoughts on Prome at the moment. Whether you want the reads or not I'll go into Prome and Holy now, kita, so thanks for the indirect push on that subject.
On January 23 2014 00:05 kitaman27 wrote:
Prom, are you going to be posting a lot within the next hour? If so, I'll move on to Holy and come back to you.
Ehhhhh I still don't understand this.
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Actually on second thought, more detailed reads will have to wait until later in the day.
Until then, notes:
Firm null on Prome - VE's points about the 'conversation starter' similarities to LX ring true with me, though he appears to have more of an actual direction this game. There was stuff about his earlier content I both liked and disliked, too early to tell on him. Still waiting on breakout case from him and others.
Holy - No fucking clue---never played with him before. Some of the pseudo-anger displayed could be seen as townie but I don't really give it much weight---nitpicking Hapa seems really odd. Gonna have to look deeper on this.
Be back in a few hours.
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Back and in the procress of catching up. Two posts that caught my eye (before I get to the last page)
On January 23 2014 02:55 marvellosity wrote:
yuh huh. you've been giving me the jeebies all game. but you're too active to lynch today in the end.
Agreed. I also sort of saw something in your read of me.
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On January 23 2014 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know man, the catchup posts seemed disingenuous, but I'm afraid I'm biased. Based on the posts I'm more willing to admit that I could be wrong about Prome, and yes the alternatives are looking better.
The thing about Prome is that there's no POP to his posts - when he's town, when he thinks he's found something suspicious something clicks and his confidence shoots up and you can see it in his posts. I didn't get that feeling when he was posting about you. But again, I'm not sure how much of it is my own bias speaking.
Foolishness/Sandroba/HolyFlare are three targets who are, in my opinion, well equipped to prove their worth D1 if they're town. That none of them has been able to do this is troubling to me.
My problem with Prome as well is contained in here (regarding the POP, as well as the other players who should have...done more?), but I do feel good about the stream-of-consciousness reads as he caught up. I don't feel he was disingenuous.
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On January 23 2014 04:01 austinmcc wrote:WoS, you around? Gonzaw, I don't think we can be sure what nobody defending HolyFlare means, but I think in the bigger context of this game, we can't get too much from that. Nobody is defending Foolishness either (I might, yeah, think I will), nobody really popped up to defend WoS or Prome while they were getting more attention, and for the most part it's people dropping off "x is scummy" after they've posted more, not actively pushing "WoS or Prome super town." Just not a ton of defending this game in general, imo. Gonzaw, 2 question to start off since you're active right now. Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 03:10 gonzaw wrote:
You know, I'm kind of serious with this Foolishness stuff. Does any one of you have anything to say about him?
Basically:
1)Voting WOS, wanting to lynch other guys, but never change his vote and goes AFK
2)Seeming contradiction, since he almost thought I was scummy scum because I "did" something similar
3)People seemed to find him town because they agreed with him. But right now, apparently town sentiment against WOS and Prome dropped, so what makes that post of him townie now?
4)Remember the time he made a horrible entrance to the game making a scummy vote, pointless post and unfounded reads? You keep poking at Foolishness's past games. Do these things, dinky votes, horrible entrances, pointless posts, fit with scum Foolish? Also, honest question, if someone did these things vs did NOTHING, no votes, no real posts to be scummy or townie, etc, which player would you find scummier?
Yup. What's cookin'?
Random unrelated thoughts:
I'm bothered by the fact that I'm not bothered by marv this game. Every game I've ever played with him he's been town and I often don't trust him for a while before he calls me dumb and then I do, but this game it hasn't happened. Can't tell if it's because marv is lurkier and done less than usual and/or because he has no need to 'take over' in a game like this with multiple people who can lead.
Regarding the Holy replacement: I REALLY WISH people would not talk about being replaced in thread---it essentially artificially makes us give up what may or may not be a valid lynch target today and messes with the game.
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On January 23 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not the tone - the act itself. Like, if he were town I feel like rather than do a stream of consciousness thing, he would read and have actual suspicions and post those.
I disagree. I could swear he's done this specifically as town before (as have I) but I'd have to check which is kind of difficult for me atm. Either way he's given me enough that even were I able to be convinced before his return (which I kinda doubted) I certainly won't be voting him today.
Like I get the we 'expect more' but is it not possible that Prome simply hasn't gotten to his 'POP' case yet? I don't allow this defense for people like Foolishness/Sandroba because they haven't actively been here.
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On January 23 2014 04:32 gonzaw wrote:
Austin, let's not chat. Tell me who you want to lynch. We need a lynch, YOU need a lynch (if you are town).
lol Austin I was actually going to 'ask' you along the lines of the same thing. Who is scum? would be my question.
(As far as marv goes, I don't have anything specific I can pick out from him, so probably 'usual' suspicion. I also haven't looked into him in any detail however)
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And for the record I probably am probably scummier on inactive Foolishness than inactive sandroba. Could be bias because I have precedent in PYP for sandroba in terms of an early game lurk then blasting onto the scene, but as was mentioend before (I forget by who atm?) sandroba was actively engaging the thread when he was around, whereas Foolishness basically hasn't talked to anyone, he just threw stuff and fucked off multiple times.
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On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not the tone - the act itself. Like, if he were town I feel like rather than do a stream of consciousness thing, he would read and have actual suspicions and post those. I disagree. I could swear he's done this specifically as town before (as have I) but I'd have to check which is kind of difficult for me atm. Either way he's given me enough that even were I able to be convinced before his return (which I kinda doubted) I certainly won't be voting him today. Like I get the we 'expect more' but is it not possible that Prome simply hasn't gotten to his 'POP' case yet? I don't allow this defense for people like Foolishness/Sandroba because they haven't actively been here. That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much.
We'll come back to him. I want to post about him and kita again when I have more time later tonight, but I don't think either should be lynched.
I feel like I'm defaulting to Foolishness now along with other people, and I worry because this feels like one of those games (and I think I mentioned this before) where someone is going to drop a massive bomb like an hour before lynch and completely mess with shit. If Foolishness does this, what will happen?
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On January 23 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Here's something that I still find off about Foolish's reentry post. On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:The thing with VE is that yes, on his own some of his posts are suspicious. This one in particular made me raise an eyebrow: + Show Spoiler +On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him?
That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all.
If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. However I think if you just read through his filter and analyze it as a whole there's nothing to be afraid of. Is he pushing any sort of mafia agenda? No. Does it feel like he doesn't have the town's best interest in mind? No. Does it feel like he's actually trying to figure things out? Yes. This is where he explains his super townread of me right? But look at the bolded bit. He's criticizing me asking marv about my Prom post and the part where I share my observation about our interaction, but says that the TOWNIE bit is the last two sentences, the "fluffy" angry nonsense at the end. Like, I'm trying to wrap my head around this. He thinks I'm town, presumably he knows that I share at least Promethelax as a scumread, but he tries to lightly discredit me while calling me townie? And after the entire post, I STILL don't know if he actually READ my post on Promethelax. Something doesn't add up. I'm missing something, somewhere. Bringing light to the fact that your post was incredibly weird minus the last two sentences. It was really odd, and I don't think I'm the only one who said so. You're town and we all know it. Don't pull a gonzaw. Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 03:10 gonzaw wrote:
You know, I'm kind of serious with this Foolishness stuff. Does any one of you have anything to say about him?
Basically:
1)Voting WOS, wanting to lynch other guys, but never change his vote and goes AFK
2)Seeming contradiction, since he almost thought I was scummy scum because I "did" something similar
3)People seemed to find him town because they agreed with him. But right now, apparently town sentiment against WOS and Prome dropped, so what makes that post of him townie now?
4)Remember the time he made a horrible entrance to the game making a scummy vote, pointless post and unfounded reads? 1) I explained why I kept my vote on WoS, since then he has responded and I liked what he said. He's being very affirmative and speaking his thoughts. When I first accused him early in the day I thought the opposite of this (also explained in my earlier posts). Now he's here, he's posting, and he's trying for the town. And that's the direction I started to lean towards when I made my big post. My vote on WoS was to affirm this suspicion, and also to get other people to comment on it. 2) Don't know what you're exactly referring to. But you were being trolly at the start of the day and it was impossible to know what your motives were. Your motives are clear now. As I also said in my recent post, you dying would answer a lot of questions. Not that that's going to happen anytime soon (or ever really). 3) Promethelax is scum. WoS probably not. Read above. 4) Nope. ##Unvote
##Vote: Promethelax
No no. I'm not satisfied here.
What exactly about my early posting would ever make you think I wasn't posting my thoughts then, but all of a sudden I am now?
WHY is Prome scum? Spell it out for those of us who might be a little bit slow.
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On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not the tone - the act itself. Like, if he were town I feel like rather than do a stream of consciousness thing, he would read and have actual suspicions and post those. I disagree. I could swear he's done this specifically as town before (as have I) but I'd have to check which is kind of difficult for me atm. Either way he's given me enough that even were I able to be convinced before his return (which I kinda doubted) I certainly won't be voting him today. Like I get the we 'expect more' but is it not possible that Prome simply hasn't gotten to his 'POP' case yet? I don't allow this defense for people like Foolishness/Sandroba because they haven't actively been here. That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much.
Foolishness can you comment on the conversation VE and I had about Prome that ended with the above post?
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On January 23 2014 05:31 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 23 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not the tone - the act itself. Like, if he were town I feel like rather than do a stream of consciousness thing, he would read and have actual suspicions and post those. I disagree. I could swear he's done this specifically as town before (as have I) but I'd have to check which is kind of difficult for me atm. Either way he's given me enough that even were I able to be convinced before his return (which I kinda doubted) I certainly won't be voting him today. Like I get the we 'expect more' but is it not possible that Prome simply hasn't gotten to his 'POP' case yet? I don't allow this defense for people like Foolishness/Sandroba because they haven't actively been here. That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much. Foolishness can you comment on the conversation VE and I had about Prome that ended with the above post? Sounds like you're making good arguments why he should be lynched. Look at it this way. Let's say I posted and said, "Kitaman is the best lynch right now!" what would you respond? You'd say, "wtf he's been pushing the town in the right direction and asking good questions." Now I say, "Promethelax is the best lynch right now!" (or Holyflare) what is your response? You say, "Eh, I feel like he's doing okay..." I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done?
In relation to what gonzaw just posted, I feel like the above could be applied as well to either marv or snadroba----and actually starts to mesh with the idea that I haven't been feeling anything at all from marv all game aside from a little bit of agreement in some posts that I quoted earlier in my filter.
Taking a closer look at marv.
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But I am in no way convinced about Prome by your earlier case, like, at all. Your return simply makes me want to lynch you less.
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On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now
##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying
Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above.
I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me.
Meh..maybe not.
And then this comes after my return
On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda? Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative.
I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons.
Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point)
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IF VE is scum I will have a big sad.
I'm quickly running out of time as I won't be here for lynch so I may have to sheep someone---my other strong townreads aren't here atm so it may be gonzaw.
Gonzaw assuming you now hold my vote as well and could place it where you wanted, which of the two you mentioned would you put it on?
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On January 23 2014 05:51 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 22 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 07:45 Hapahauli wrote:On January 22 2014 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
ok he can stay for now
##unvote Would this suggest that you agree with Fool's reads, or do you just think his post is a town-tell? Do you think he's capable of faking those kinds of posts as scum? I think his post looks reasonable townie and there's a lot of effort. I'm not sure how much i agree with his reads atm kita lower, prome higher, marv much much higher, WoS ??, gonzaw higher But his reasoning feels townie - putting me where I am because I'm forgettable, while ego crushing I like it as an angle to take, it's non-routine i think he's capable of these posts as mafia, especially after the champions game, and the way he made a list at the end was actually eerily similar to how he made lists at the end of those posts :p but overall the meat of it made sense. and he's trying Yeah...I'm in agreement with a lot of marv stuff from his filter, and the timing at which he posted stuff. One thing that stuck out is the above. I'm wondering why marv gave me a ??? at that point considering it seems likely he thought I was town before that from his attitude towards me. Meh..maybe not. And then this comes after my return On January 23 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:On January 23 2014 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote:On January 22 2014 22:49 kitaman27 wrote:
I'd much rather hear who marv is considering voting, rather than defending a player he thinks is town.
Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Could you expand on this, even if it's brief? I didn't pick up on the obvious reason. Mine read was more based on the lack of anything wrong, rather than an abundance of anything he has done that is helpful. Also, could you justify your Holyflare vote for me with specifics? You mention that you thought gonzaw's points were good. Is that what you're going by or is the vote mostly due to his absence from the thread? I currently don't have a strong preference between sandroba and Holyflare and it seems like sandroba hasn't been inspired to rejoin the thread. I'll vote with you for the time being. ##Unvote
##Vote Holyflare Wave is waffling earnestly at length as I'd expect him to. Although he's only got one scumgame, I'd very much expect him to be more direct than he has been if mafia. I've been suspicious of him in two reasonably recent games for being slow and waffly (##, LXIV) and now it just seems it's how he opens day 1 as town. So maybe not obvious after all. I just think his thought process is transparent. Like he's posted a lot of his thought process, where's his agenda? Mainly with Holy that he seems angrier than was justified. But most of all it's the constant niggling at Hapa, especially with his last post(s) when Hapa was by a large margin the towniest guy in the thread. It's just not natural at all. Tbh I don't make a massive amount of his absence, I believe he'd be here posting as either alignment, so not that alignment indicative. I guess I expect marv to know...I dunno...more about me? Maybe why I was shocked he found me scummy in those games because I don't believe i've shifted my meta all that much in between games, and town-marv always seems to find me town eventually for all the right reasons. Yeah....would not lynch, but marv you left me high and dry---our palaver did not quench my thirst for you this game. (And it's basically become tradition at this point) I'm not upset with any of Marv's individual posts, but his overall play so far.
There's a lot of 'overall play' I'm disappointed with atm, Prome included to some degree.
Does it make those people scum?
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On January 23 2014 05:54 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
IF VE is scum I will have a big sad.
I'm quickly running out of time as I won't be here for lynch so I may have to sheep someone---my other strong townreads aren't here atm so it may be gonzaw.
Gonzaw assuming you now hold my vote as well and could place it where you wanted, which of the two you mentioned would you put it on? Foolishness.
So not marv/sandroba then.
I might still be able to get behind that. His answers were good enough...they fit for lack of a better term, and I'm not bothered by the same thing you are regarding his read of austin but it's the early play that doesn't make sense to me. I can't reconcile his using the barest effort he put in for the first 30 or so hours of the game to first toss a vote up on me and give what appeared to me to be 'not the greatest' reads...
I want to re-look over his case on Prome because I already know I thought hsi case on me was pure bunk and I said so earlier---I'm a little too self-focused.
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