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On January 25 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote: honestly wave, gonzaw's case boils down to simply that central point. Well, there's also the "Doesn't push Holy at all throughout D1, just casually mentions his lynch is 'good'" stuff, and the "Mentions his lynch is good, and in the same post is wishy washy about him" stuff. | ||
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His "Prome is town" and speculative posts seem fine. The problem is that's all he does. His posts are 90% vote speculation trying to prove himself and Prome (and other sandro voters) town, while only 10% of them are actually about trying to find scum (with not really convincing cases on WOS). There's less scumhunting in his filter than in Holy's filter basically. Yeah, I find it hard to believe town Foolishness would think the better way to spend his time is keep talking and talking about "look at it from sandroba's point of view" and "there is no way Promethelax is scum"; rather than giving convincing cases about who of those 4 he mentions (Wave, VE, Toad, kita) are scum, and which ones are town. I think that's kind of important as well. He spends 100000 hours trying to convince us Prome is town and giving all these reasonings about it. So why doesn't he spend time trying to tell us who is town from Wave/VE/Toad/kita? Wouldn't that be much much more important? He had kita as very obvious town all D1. That would be a good place to start right? Time proving kita is town, from his own POV, should be time better spent than trying to (again) prove Prome is town. Yeah, would definitely lynch. My concern about not voting him...is that if he ends up scum I'll feel kind of embarrassed lol | ||
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On January 25 2014 09:35 Foolishness wrote: Speaking of HolyFlare, this is off topic from my current explanation but when I went back later on and reread his posts I thought he might be town. I don't even remember why but that's what I thought. I don't like reading into people getting replaced out so I focused my attention elsewhere. If HolyFlare is town I expect Toad to be able to prove it to us sooner and not later. And by sooner I mean end of night 2 at the absolute latest. On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote: That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). wat | ||
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On January 25 2014 13:08 WaveofShadow wrote: More embarrassed than I'll be if VE flips scum? Perhaps yes | ||
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That's kind of depressing. I really want to think about that vote switch as super awesome  | ||
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Also, the meat of your argument seems to be that I lack a 10 page essay on why someone is mafia. I'll tell you right now that you certainly aren't getting one about any player in the game the next few days, and probably not for the entire game. I don't have the time in my life to do such a thing so I can only give you what I got with the time that I have to play this game./QUOTE] Well, you do have the time to make 10 page essays about the votes, sandro's POV, and how much Prome is town, don't you? | ||
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derp On January 25 2014 13:14 gonzaw wrote: Well, you do have the time to make 10 page essays about the votes, sandro's POV, and how much Prome is town, don't you? | ||
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On January 25 2014 12:11 kitaman27 wrote: I think it's between VE and Foolishness for me. Wave seems like he is putting enough effort into the game to warrant surviving at least one cycle longer than these two. I haven't seen a compelling argument against Toad yet. Holy was scummy null for me, but that was off a limited amount of posts. I'm mostly in wait and see mode on him. I'm on the fence with VE right now. A lot of the things he is doing I can see from a town or mafia VE. As of right now, Foolishness is the best lynch in my opinion. Strangely enough kita seems to be getting into my head again. At least regarding the Wave and VE stuff. Damn you kita. Anyways....yeah Wave isn't lynched today at all. Right now he has a 10 page filter, the 2nd most largest one (tied with marv). He's spent 6 pages of his filter being active in this D2. Can you say that of VE? Of Foo? Of Toad? Even of you kita, or austin or marv? His most incriminating thing is defending VE so much with unconvincing stuff, going against Prome over so unconvincing stuff, and spending so much time on an impossible scumteam. But apparently he got his head fixed and is making more sense now. Out of every "not confirmed", he's putting the most effort in scumhunting. Cases on Prome, then cases on Foo, then cases on Toad. Like...yeah we don't lynch him, at the very least on principle (you don't want to lynch the guy putting the most content into the thread would you?) Also, his outburst against Toad is genuine as fuck. Even I got angry at Toad's case when he made it, I can't imagine what Wave felt. Another townie point is seeing how his reads evolve. He clearly starts this day going full on "Foo+Prome scum, VE town". But then see how his reads start shifting naturally from post to post. He starts getting into some confrontation with Toad. Then he checks Holy's filter and finds suspicious stuff. Then finds suspicious stuff on Toad. Then finds him more suspicious than Prome. Then the more shit Toad flings at him, the more angry and "sure" he's scum he gets (at least in an emotional sense). You can see that progression. If he's scum, what's preventing him from parking a vote on Prome/Toad/Foo and then go on a fluff rampage or whatever? He already made 4 walls of text about Prome/Foo being scum, if he's scum he is already "set" in terms of faking contributions and justifying his vote. Yet he is very active in the thread, chiming in on EVERY detail happening in the thread, and reacting to them. If he's scum, with say, VE/Toad/kita/etc, would he really have the motivation to keep up that kind of effort after a D1 scum lynch? Wouldn't he just go afk like VE did or something? Also, I see him "pressuring" people the same way I see a townie doing right now. He pressures Foo, Toad, etc with questions, concerns, etc, even when he already labelled them "scum". But if he's townie, thinking they are scum but still trying to be sure, bla bla bla, it makes sense. E.g that's what me, marv, etc are all doing this cycle, and it feels natural. Counter that with for instance what Foo is doing, which is make the case on Wave, then don't even talk about him while still calling him scum. Or maybe even Toad I'd believe. I have very very very little reasons for lynching Wave this cycle Promy boy, where art thou? | ||
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Who do we lynch of those? Right now I'll chill and see things from outside a little bit. VE still hasn't done anything, but I want to give him time to "recompose". If he's town, he needs a little time. If he's scum, then the more time he spends doing nothing the more convincing the case against him is, and the less excuses he has. We also need Prome's updated reads. We could also need a little bit of drama. That's always welcome. We even have Toad right now! | ||
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I hope it doesn't come down to defending marv at some point because it'd kind of be hard lol. | ||
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At least 5 hours from where he heats up the oil until he's done (he could have spent more time before defrosting them, etc). Unless you are at a charity or wedding making porkchops for 100 people, I don't see that happening? It's insane. Heating up oil and cooking 2-3 porkchops takes 40 minutes at most to me, not 5 fricking hours. Maybe he's just fucking with us? Remember his excuse for not being around deadline is that he was with the porkchops too. Maybe he'll say he's still cooking those porkchops now? | ||
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On January 25 2014 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote: lol I read that and I wtfed too, but I personally hate judging people on RL shit. (I could be biased because I know I never lie about where/when I go or why I'm away and as you can see, I get retarded suspicion for it a lot.) Yes it's a viable way of getting out of suspicion by lying, but I find more often than not people do tell the truth. That's why I backed out of it, because I didn't want to start a shitstorm trying to figure out the average cooking time of porkchops and discussing the consistency of oil or whatever shit. But...there is suspension of disbelief, and there is "wtf is that true?" territory. Like, what if he had told us he was cooking the porkchops ever since he FoSed Prome? Would you believe him then? It's too wtf to ignore. The problem is that most of VE's "problems" with the lynch, thread, etc back on D1 hinge on this excuse of his. His unfounded vote on Holy then Foolishness, his behaviour from then until the deadline, etc. If it wasn't for that I wouldn't give a shit how much time he spends cooking food, but if his entire alignment hinges on that....well then you have to ask yourself "Is what this guy is telling true or possible?". | ||
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My filter is 17 pages long. Do you REALLY want Wave to read every single post of that, analyzing each and every single one of them, and saying "Ehmm, okay, if gonzaw was scum, would this individual post make any sense or be interesting in any way?". He'd basically spend 1-2 minutes with every post of mine trying to see if he can come up with some wacky conclusion you want him to reach. I have 335 posts this game. 1-2 minutes for every post means he'll waste 335-670 minutes doing your little "exercise". Do you really think Wave spending up to 10 hours trying to answering your question is productive? No matter what "answers" you want to see? No it's not austin. | ||
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On January 25 2014 14:09 austinmcc wrote: Of course it's possible. Cooking can take a really long time, depending on if there was more than just porkchops. Cooking + eating + any family time + cleanup can easily be 5 hours. From what I remember he explicitly said he was still frying the porkchops when the deadline hit, not that he was eating, nor cleaning them. But maybe that's just a derp on my or VE's part. | ||
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On January 25 2014 14:17 austinmcc wrote: VE said he was frying porkchops, but he also indicated that the pork chops were for dinner and the dinner was for family. I didn't get the impression he was at his computer then fried pork chops then said "THESE ARE FRIED" and returned to his computer. That sounds like a fire hazard anyway Hmmm, good porkchop defense | ||
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I'm very okay with that. Heavily doubt both are town. Let's see what the participants have to say | ||
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