EPTWos pleasd understand my vocal resistance,to your and VEs theories when they hinge and all 3 scum bussing all of them and no one of them even bothering to mysslynch a townie on fricking D1
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Wos pleasd understand my vocal resistance,to your and VEs theories when they hinge and all 3 scum bussing all of them and no one of them even bothering to mysslynch a townie on fricking D1 | ||
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You think, there are 3 scum: X, Y and Z. You think scum X bussed scum Y ALL D1, without wavering, without changing his vote or even attempting to change his mind, and doing so up until the final minutes of the lynch You think Z casted suspicon on Y, and 30 minutes before deadline decided to bus Y You also think, that immediately after that, Y decides to come to the thread and bus X back. All of this, while this is the votecount at the time: (X): 4 votes (Y): 4 votes (Z): 1 vote You are going to tell me, not a SINGLE townie had a vote on them by the end of D1 (not taking into account Holy's wasted vote). You are going to tell me, that scum made a plan, where they cross-bus each other, vote NO ONE other than each other, end up with ALL THREE OF THEM having votes, and (again BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT) end up with NO TOWNIE HAVING A VOTE ON THEM AT ALL. Not only this, you are going to tell me that scum were completely happy with this (check Prome and Foo's behaviour at the deadline, they were pretty calm about it). You are also going to tell me, that after whatever sick plan they had, which involved getting X lynched, crumbled when a last minute switch to Z happened, then Y was still calm as fuck (even though their whole convoluted complex bussing plan they've been trying to perfect for hours and hours just crumbled at their feet) and even decided to jump on the bandwagon when he had stated in the thread he thought Z to not be that scummy and could be bad town. WoS, repeat what I've just said Do it, with a straight face. If you keep up with this absolutely. | ||
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On January 24 2014 06:01 kitaman27 wrote: It seems to be that the individuals who were absent are the ones most likely to be mafia (VE, WoS, Holy), which seems to be where the town is leaning as well. I'm going to reread all three when I have the time. You posted this like 20 hours ago. I suggest you stop fooling around and get to it. | ||
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On January 25 2014 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Replace the letters with names please because I'm actually having a hard time following your post. That's the point. Abstract away from the specific people you are talking about (which you clearly have bias against), and it doesn't make sense. X is Foolishness Y is Promethelax Z is sandroba | ||
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On January 25 2014 01:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I see and so if you magically convince me now, all of a sudden I'm off the hook? lol what a joke. I see EXACTLY the problem VE was having. You leave absolutely no room for anything other than your current views when talking to either of us. Considering this, and the fact that we still try and converse with you and you have no intention of changing your mind in the slightest (me more so than VE) I think it's a fucking miracle that anybody would continue. Well WOS, only you and VE seem to have that problem (I don't see Toad nor kita complaining). Both of you came up with this ridiculous idea of the Foo/sandro/Prome scumteam. Coincidence? | ||
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On January 25 2014 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote: When did they not have any townie vote on them at all and for how long? Since this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=39#775 All up until the lynch (again, ignore Holy's vote on me, since it could have been on anyone) | ||
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On January 25 2014 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Nope, it's the reason I've been considering him town. Go ahead and tell me your post is not bias right now. Yes it is. But with good reason. Tell me how likely it is that as scum I'd take the difficult way out here, hard defend my scumbuddy ALL GAME rather than acquiesce quietly. It's waaaayyyyy more likely that I am wrong about VE than we are both scum. That's misdirection. The current discussion has nothing to do with you defending VE or whatever, it's you pushing that ridiculous scumteam. Anyways, you still think those 3 are scum? Did my "reality check" make you try to rethink it or anything? KISS. I prefer AC/DC to be honest. | ||
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Can't really explain it, but WoS and VE's actions this N1/D2 kind of reflect Toad's and VE's actions on LI, in particular ways. Kind of funny | ||
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Did VE tell you to do that? If so he's a boss lol | ||
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You are just assuming VE is town. The stuff you posted is not alignment indicative at all basically, but you attribute subjective value to it. Your wording shows that basically. Then you have lots of people with cases on VE, posting stuff about him, telling you "Hey, maybe VE is not town". I'd think you'd reconsider VE, take into account town sentiment, etc. But you straight up jump to "VE is so so town" (even if you aren't saying it, you are heavily implying it). I don't understand how you don't even leave the possibility of VE being scum open, again, considering how unconvincing most of your defense of VE was. Your defense on VE is based on nitpicking some posts of his, and showing in a contrived manner how, maybe, perhaps, in your opinion, from your own experience, can come from town VE. Every single one of your points is like that. I find it kind of hard to believe WOS, unless you are having some of weird anxiety attack or something? Dunno | ||
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On January 25 2014 01:40 kitaman27 wrote: On a side note, I hate the fact that the name Foolishness can't be easily shortened. I suppose I could start calling him Fool, but then people wouldn't know if I'm referring to him or VE. He's Foo. Or Fooly if you want. Hmm, what about Nessy? | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, I would contribute, but I've been told that my suspects are off limits so I'm kinda at a loss as to what I even CAN do to prove my innocence. Maybe a story? You can sing me a song If it's good, I'll totes unvote you. Pinky promise | ||
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On January 25 2014 02:43 austinmcc wrote: (1) A magical world in which Gonzaw is mod-confirmed Gonzaw. Once he is known red, what in his filter makes you smack his head and go "I should have seen this..." On January 24 2014 07:13 gonzaw wrote: Goddamit I forgot to sen....hmm, I think scum may try something weird tonight. Who knows! Did I just solve your little game austin? Do I get a prize? | ||
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On January 22 2014 09:22 Foolishness wrote: At this moment I feel that Promethelax or HolyFlare should be lynched today. Gonzaw's catch on Holyflare's contradiction is really damning and I'm almost ready to pull the trigger just on that. HolyFlare's defense did feel a bit contrived and forced? He did bring up some good points but at the same time I don't feel like he said all that much. That may just be confirmation bias at this point though. Holy is like 100% scum for him initially. On January 23 2014 05:09 Foolishness wrote: Also I would still vote HolyFlare, but I'm a nice a guy and he asked to be subbed out and I read too much into that sometimes. However Foo doesn't talk or do anything regarding Holy for like 24 more hours, where he backs out ONLY based on the sub thing, and nothing else (i.e forgets the previous case) + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 05:31 Foolishness wrote: Sounds like you're making good arguments why he should be lynched. Look at it this way. Let's say I posted and said, "Kitaman is the best lynch right now!" what would you respond? You'd say, "wtf he's been pushing the town in the right direction and asking good questions." Now I say, "Promethelax is the best lynch right now!" (or Holyflare) what is your response? You say, "Eh, I feel like he's doing okay..." I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done? On January 23 2014 05:44 Foolishness wrote: Are you going to vote for HolyFlare then? On January 23 2014 05:57 Foolishness wrote: I already said that I'm prefectly okay with HolyFlare getting lynched. And by perfectly okay, I really mean okay. As in, if guys are that convinced that Promethelax needs another chance then please let me know now so I can move my vote. But now he wants him lynched as well? Second to Prome in a wishy washy manner of course. On January 23 2014 05:42 Foolishness wrote: I said I was confirming my read on him. You're asking me a question and quoting the post I answered it in? See where my vote is now? Promethelax or HolyFlare, both are good lynches. HolyFlare's recent posts are very meh, but he could genuinely be frustrated and he did ask to be replaced out. Had he not asked to be subbed out this would be an easy decision, but I feel his real life frustration could be coming out in his posting behavior. I could also just be reading too much into this. In the italics, he calls him "good lynch", yet in the bolded he backs out again in a wishy-washy manner? How can you say "I could also just be reading too much into this" if you just called him "good lynch" and are saying "He's a very good lynch I wouldn't mind him dead" and the like all the time? On January 23 2014 07:11 Foolishness wrote: sandroba is not a good lynch when Promethelax and HolyFlare are still alive. This is his last thoughts on the matter at the end of the day basically. Prome and Holy NEED to die. Yet his vote is on Prome, never even considers changing it to Holy (only saying "Yeah! If it comes down to it I will surely vote Holy of course!" when pressured and the like), and even backed out of Holy before so is he still wanting to lynch him or not? Anyways, before sandro died, he wanted Prome and Holy dead. What about after sandro died? Here is his 3rd page of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137&user=Foolishness¤tpage=2 Check from this post basically: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=44#872 Now CTRL+F Holy and Toad. Here are the results: Holy: On January 23 2014 09:04 Foolishness wrote: I don't think that's actually possible. Look at the order of events. Starting at this point where there are 6 votes on me and 3 on Promethelax (keep in mind this is 12 minutes before the deadline): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=41#820 The six votes on me are (in order of when they occurred): VisceraEyes, gonzaw, WaveofShadow, Promethelax, marvellosity, Hapahauli. Now there is definitely some analysis to be done on how these votes accumulated on me but I will save that for later. At this point gonzaw started the switch on sandroba. Austin immediately joined in. Now only gonzaw was voting on me so I'm still winning by a landslide. It's possible that they did this thinking there is no way a bandwagon on sandroba would start, but I highly doubt they would have that attitude. That is, entertain the thought for a second that gonzaw/Austin are actually mafia. They could just hammer the vote on me to ensure a town lynch (incredibly easy for gonzaw to do, Austin could just toss his vote on Promethelax or somewhere else). But that didn't happen. Then marvellosity switches his vote as well. At this point I have 4 votes and Promethelax and sandroba both have 3. Hapa and Promethelax also follow shortly after. It's definitely clear that the switch to sandroba was started and enforced by towns. This was not mafia bussing each other. The big question to answer here is: what reason would mafia have for switching off of me onto sandroba? If I'm town, there's definitely no reason to. I'm hovering around 50% of votes (HolyFlare's vote isn't going to count), it'd be so easy to just ensure that I got voted. The only scenario where the mafia would have reason to switch is if I'm also mafia (which isn't true). But that scenario, however absurd, would be reasonable, thinking that I'm more valuable to the mafia than sandroba is at this point. Thus I am in the belief that the votes on sandroba were mostly, if not 100%, town. Including my top suspect Promethelax. This seems to make a lot more sense given how that went down. What does this all mean? Mafia could have ensured I was lynched if they were on the vote switch, so why bother vote switching in the first place? No, mafia did not vote switch. What's more likely is that the mafia were voting for me but not on the switch (VE, WoS) or the mafia were all voting for Promethelax (me, sandroba, kitaman). Note that kitaman was going against sandroba during day 1. Remember that assuming Promethelax is town, mafia were in a great position at the end of the day. Town Foolishness has 6 votes and the runner up at 3 votes is also town. This is great for them cause they get to decide who's getting lynched. If I'm mafia why is there not more votes on Promethelax and where is my team to defend me? Sure I got kitaman pushing for Promethelax but I was in a desperate situation there. Things wouldn't have unfolded the way they did if that was the case. So instead this means that mafia were likely already voting for me. But they wouldn't want to go with the vote switch since that was on a mafia. VE is the only person that fits this bill since he was strangely absent during lynch time (and he posted 15 minutes after the lynch). WoS would be gone but I did feel his vote on me was questionable (will look into that later don't worry). Mafia were voting for me and were sitting comfortably, and when a vote switch happened they weren't around for it. On January 24 2014 04:55 Foolishness wrote: If I'm mafia with sandroba that should clear Promethelax. The other mafia would likely to be kitaman or HolyFlare or just a random straggler who was already voting for me. Promethelax has made a lot of sense in his most recent posting (not the drunk ones, though I actually can't tell for some of them lol). Also sandroba went after him. On January 24 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote: Then you should be advocating that WoS and one of the other mystery people (kitaman, HolyFlare) are mafia. From what we know of day 1 if the four of you die then the town wins. Toad: On January 24 2014 05:48 Foolishness wrote: If I'm mafia what is my game plan to win this game? That'd probably mean the other member was on the sandroba train and I'm hoping that he can cruise the next 4 lynches to victory. If my mafia buddy is in the pool of Toad, Kita, VE, WoS then we're pretty much screwed since they are already under suspicion and I can only survive so long and divert so many lynches before I get punished for it. If one of you, austin, marvellosity, Promethelax, Hapa is mafia I'm pretty sure they will reveal themselves over time. Not tomorrow, maybe not even day three, but they will show it eventually. Off of long term behavior. That's it. Those are the ONLY mentions of his 2nd scumread. Sorry, LEAD scumread (after backing out of Prome), all of N1 and D2. How so? Well, remember this post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=46#914 In this post Foolishness proves Promethelax is town. Therefore, Foo stops chasing Promethelax. Makes sense. That post, and posterior posts of his though, make little mention of the non-sandro voters though. So, check this again: On January 23 2014 07:11 Foolishness wrote: sandroba is not a good lynch when Promethelax and HolyFlare are still alive. Foo's 2 SUPER HEAVY scumreads are Prome and Holy. Sandro dies, he "exonerates" Prome... ...so what about Holy? Nothing. He even says stuff like Then you should be advocating that WoS and one of the other mystery people (kitaman, HolyFlare) are mafia Foo, shouldn't YOU be advocating Holy is mafia....since you know...HE SHOULD BE YOUR LEAD MAFIA CANDIDATE NOW? No mentions of Toad either, just in passing. Woudln't a Foolishness+sandro+Holy scumteam make sense? Think about it: Holy has IRL issues and can't be active. Holy was AFK for most of the day (just was posting early D1 nothing else). Most likely, in scumland, he was AFK as well. sandro was AFK too. So, the ONLY active scum is Foolishness. That does seem to make sense right? Foo is alone to fight town. Therefore, all the votes piling on him without "resistance" isn't really a problem, since only town is active in the thread (sandro and Holy are afk, thus can't do shit) and only town is voting in the thread. When sandro does come back though, he tries to save Foo somewhat by going against Prome who had 2 votes at the time. Holy voted me (and not Prome for instance). Here is his vote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=41#807 The votecount at that time was 5-Foolishness and 4-Prome. You could say scum Holy would vote Prome to save Foo right? But then again, that'd basically make him out himself. Holy didn't do anything, had no scum reads. Why the hell would he randomly vote Prome? It would make no sense and out him as scum. This he takes the safe route out and wastes his vote. Foo had the most votes at that time, and even if Holy voted Prome it'd be 5v5, with Foo still getting lynched (because he had 5 votes first). It could also make more sense of his actions "confirming" the townies and acting pro-town. He says so himself, the only suspects left would be Wave, VE, kita and Toad. But, he, and we as well, are focusing on VE, Wave and kita. Those could be 3 misslynches, before we get to Holy. Scum wins with 3 mislynches, so it's a viable strategy for scum Foo to act "pro-town", make sense, confirm those townies, etc. That way he makes us all believe he is town (so we don't lynch him), and he uses his influence to avoid getting Toad lynched. Hell, maybe after this he backs out of his "these guys are confirmed town" read and goes after marv or Prome again (when town starts to panic and get paranoid) ..........did I just convince myself of this? Fuck if I know Fuck this game, I'm going to watch cats on youtube. | ||
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