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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-23 23:57:08
December 23 2013 23:56 GMT
#5
YO HO YO HO YO HO YO HO

/in

I've been waiting a year for this shit
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 24 2013 00:59 GMT
#13
On December 24 2013 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
/obs

this will be the first game of Resistance without me in it. I'm sorry I can't make this one, guys. Do well


Noooooooooooooo

I do miss the old guard. Prplhz my longtime buttbuddy, where art thou
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 24 2013 01:13 GMT
#15
I guess we need either Palmar or VE to be in all three then?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 02:28:39
December 24 2013 02:28 GMT
#20
On December 24 2013 10:52 FirmTofu wrote:
2. That is correct, spies cannot communicate with one another at all. (Not even in a quicktopic)


EZ

On March 07 2012 00:07 prplhz wrote:
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On March 07 2012 00:06 Forumite wrote:
On March 06 2012 23:42 prplhz wrote:
i thought it was determined by submission order

It´s determined by breadcrumbing, it can be quite tricky though.

lol no

FROM NOW ON, IN EVERY FUTURE GAME, THE SPY RULE IS THAT THE FIRST ONE ON THE SUBMISSION ORDER DOES THE SABOTAGING

FUTURE SPY TEAMS CAN JUST SEND PEOPLE TO THIS THREAD AND THEY WILL KNOW

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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 24 2013 02:46 GMT
#23
On December 24 2013 11:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
/in


YEEEEE


The leader selecting 4 players on D3 and 4 is a mechanic of the game and must be included.

Edit: The idea is that it increases the risk of sending the same successful team throughout the game, forcing the leaders to consider other players that haven't been on successful missions.


In that case, also 5 members on D5?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 24 2013 02:46 GMT
#24
On December 24 2013 11:45 FirmTofu wrote:
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On December 24 2013 11:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
/in

The leader selecting 4 players on D3 and 4 is a mechanic of the game and must be included.

Edit: The idea is that it increases the risk of sending the same successful team throughout the game, forcing the leaders to consider other players that haven't been on successful missions.

What do you suggest for day 5? I'm curious why the hosts of Resistance 2 did it differently from the Wikipedia reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resistance_(game), which recommends 3,4,4,5,5 for each consecutive day, respectively.


Maybe 3-4-4-5-5 is prudent after all, since Resistance 2 ended up having a tight group of "trusted" people with 3-3-4-4-5 setup.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 24 2013 03:49 GMT
#35
On December 24 2013 12:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
/in <3

This game is fucking awesome!


YES

YOU SHALL BE MY REPLACEMENT BUTTBUDDY
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 24 2013 03:49 GMT
#36
<3
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 24 2013 05:47 GMT
#43
On December 24 2013 14:44 Blazinghand wrote:
3 4 4 5(2) 5 is optimal imo


Let's try it out.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 26 2013 03:28 GMT
#48
Merry Christmas everyone!

I guess we're culling from these 10 signups then?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 27 2013 01:30 GMT
#83
Hi everyone! Glad to see game's finally started :D

On December 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Picking a team that will get 100% downvoted (if that includes yourself) does not serve any purpose.


I agree with rayn. In Resistance 2 I picked BH and VE, two really town seeming guys (I think we even had 2/3 of the scumteam at that point), but I wasn't trustworthy so Sent-BH-VE got rejected.

I don't think there's anything scummy about picking 3 people everyone or almost everyone thinks is town, even if you're not one of those 3.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 27 2013 01:37 GMT
#85
On December 27 2013 10:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On December 27 2013 10:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hi everyone! Glad to see game's finally started :D

On December 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Picking a team that will get 100% downvoted (if that includes yourself) does not serve any purpose.


I agree with rayn. In Resistance 2 I picked BH and VE, two really town seeming guys (I think we even had 2/3 of the scumteam at that point), but I wasn't trustworthy so Sent-BH-VE got rejected.

I don't think there's anything scummy about picking 3 people everyone or almost everyone thinks is town, even if you're not one of those 3.

Lets suppose at least 1 of those 3 go on to fail a mission. Are you, as leader, culpable in the failure?


The same amount as you would be if you were on the mission yourself.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 27 2013 02:05 GMT
#89
On December 27 2013 10:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
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On December 27 2013 10:37 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 27 2013 10:33 Hopeless1der wrote:
On December 27 2013 10:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hi everyone! Glad to see game's finally started :D

On December 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Picking a team that will get 100% downvoted (if that includes yourself) does not serve any purpose.


I agree with rayn. In Resistance 2 I picked BH and VE, two really town seeming guys (I think we even had 2/3 of the scumteam at that point), but I wasn't trustworthy so Sent-BH-VE got rejected.

I don't think there's anything scummy about picking 3 people everyone or almost everyone thinks is town, even if you're not one of those 3.

Lets suppose at least 1 of those 3 go on to fail a mission. Are you, as leader, culpable in the failure?


It should be a consideration, not a slam dunk.

But there is at least one spy on the team, that is concrete information. So you look at the leaders motivations for sending each person on the team.

but now, you've coerced a player into doing "town's" bidding without having a clear view of his motive. I find that the vote mechanics serve to control how you view players much better than forcing the teams that people want to see.

Since we have up to 5 opportunities to get this done each round, I'd rather be confident in my read of the leader (and subsequently his selected companions) than have to second guess his motives down the road.

I'm not saying that each round is going to slam-dunk. I think that the consideration should FOLLOW the team being selected when people vote on it, and the leader should be playing to their optimal scenario.


Wouldn't "optimal" imply a scenario that you have control over, as opposed to the next person in line?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 27 2013 12:21 GMT
#123
I could go for Rayn - (Koshi/Cora) (not sure who I like better yet) - Adam
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 27 2013 16:38 GMT
#148
On December 28 2013 00:50 Koshi wrote:
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On December 28 2013 00:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
Okay Koshi, I'll appeal to you like this:

You seem predisposed to the condition that I am going to lurk, and that is a fair assumption since I do it all the time. Since this game has no lynch or death mechanic to deal with lurkers, how do you propose people get concrete information about me? By your own reasoning, players like VE and rayn are going to be able to demonstrate their township through activity and leadership.

The mission are a very weak cop-check and could serve to give more information on harder to read players so that the strong/vocal players can develop stronger reads.

No. I don't like that.

You send the most townie people on Day 1. But because I doubt that anybody can prove himself 100% town I suggest that the most active people/most respected people go on the first mission. Reasons have been stated.

Why I do not want liabilities to go on a Mission 1. Let's say we send Chairman Ray/[UoN]Sentinel/Hopeless on Mission 1 and it fails. What will you do then? One of those is scum but all 3 will probably(?) not have the biggest filter and shit is hard when there are no flips. But then you have your townleaders with the biggest filters (aka rayn/VE/Koshi/...) that don't really know who to trust and what to do. It's not optimal.

Let's say that we send rayn/VE/Cora and mission succeeds. Then I know for a fact that 50% of all the post on Day 2 will be made by townies. For a fact. So easy. So nice.


Goddamn am I that out-of-the-way? I was going to be more active this game too... still am, probably.

On December 28 2013 01:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sending a liability is a bad idea because it allows strong playing spies (i.e., myself if I were a spy) to hide behind the liability and get on further missions. It's a much better idea to just try and send the towniest people of the day and find out if they're ACTUALLY TOWN with the mission.

We don't have to worry about whether someone will be "leading town" later on because there are no kills and everyone is in the game the whole time. If I'm not sent on any missions, you'll still be able to benefit from my posting regardless the whole game long.


I am 100% behind this. If the mission fails I'd rather look between the three people who I thought were the greenest and make rational decisions from there than have a day of WIFOM where everyone argues whether it's the liability player or not.

It wouldn't really confirm anything either, a spy between 2 apparent towns and a neutral-red player can create even more confusion on D2 by the same principle. If we send the three towniest players, nothing goes wrong D1, and then mission failure D2, then the only real debate is if it's the fourth person we added on D2, or it's one of the original three. One point of confusion is better than two.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 27 2013 23:08 GMT
#168
Gonna look more in-depth into Hopeless when I get back
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 28 2013 03:13 GMT
#181
Hopeless is talking with more sense and clarity that I can conjure up, and his posts do seem a lot more complete than what I saw in my quick browse of his LXIII filter.

I like Adam calling out Koshi as well instead of just hopping on board with everyone else (including me). In some way this makes me think he carefully thought out his team. I trust him and I trust his view on Hopeless. Rayn's been stepping up as our chief discussion leader so I trust him too. I'm okay with this mission.

Voting yay
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 28 2013 13:44 GMT
#185
On December 28 2013 15:31 Chairman Ray wrote:
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On December 28 2013 12:04 FirmTofu wrote:
On December 28 2013 10:51 Adam4167 wrote:
Do I have to yay my own team? seems rather redundant

I'll assume yay unless you type nay for whatever reason.


Leaders should have to yay or nay their team. There's plenty good reason for a leader to reject his own team, and in this format, the order in which people yay/nay brings good information, so I think we should still require leaders to formally yay/nay as well.


What would be the reason?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 28 2013 20:43 GMT
#203
On December 29 2013 04:02 Chairman Ray wrote:
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On December 28 2013 22:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 28 2013 15:31 Chairman Ray wrote:
On December 28 2013 12:04 FirmTofu wrote:
On December 28 2013 10:51 Adam4167 wrote:
Do I have to yay my own team? seems rather redundant

I'll assume yay unless you type nay for whatever reason.


Leaders should have to yay or nay their team. There's plenty good reason for a leader to reject his own team, and in this format, the order in which people yay/nay brings good information, so I think we should still require leaders to formally yay/nay as well.


What would be the reason?


From my experiences, leaders commonly reject their own team. The reason is not because of a lack of confidence, but because the most information and discussion comes from more rounds being played. Great information is gained through seeing other leaders' picks and people's voting patterns from round to round. If the leader feels that more information can be gained, then he would propose a team, and then reject it himself. Here's one such scenario that occurs often:

We are on the 5th round and the score is 2-2. We still don't know exactly who the mafia are, but we put our towniest 5 on the mission. The leader rejects the mission making the vote fail in a 4-5 vote. However, two people who were not on the mission yayed it. This confirms those two as mafia, and indicates a high likelihood that there is a spy that was sent on the mission. If the leader passed it, the game would have been lost right there.

Our voting format is a bit different than the real Resistance, but the concept is the same. I would expect that leaders would not yay/nay until the deciding vote. If new information arises that would indicate that the team is not good, then the leader would reject it.



I can't check right now because of shitty work internet, but I believe FT gave Adam the option to nay vote if anything like that came up, but just set his default state to yay.

The two in your example are not outed as mafia unless the leader is excluding himself from the mission and is town himself, netting six towns. Otherwise there could be one hopeful towny in there voting for his allies, and more off-team townies if there are spies on the mission. I see what you're trying to say but that hypothetical case is pretty convoluted and full of holes.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 28 2013 20:44 GMT
#204
Ninjad by FT

So that's the majority isn't it? We can't change our votes?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 28 2013 20:51 GMT
#206
On December 29 2013 05:46 Corazon wrote:
He's making Adam vote formally so we still have a chance to convince him to oppose his team and read the game.

OH I JUST REALIZE ADAM IS ONE OF THE FIVE

I'd love to hear more from Adam (my own decision was pretty rash, I put a lot of faith in Adam since I had nothing to go on).
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 28 2013 21:19 GMT
#209
On December 29 2013 06:16 Koshi wrote:
Cora & VE both scummers.
Current team is all town.
CR is town.

I would say out of sentinel and grack, grack is the scummer.


Please do, I wouldn't say you're the shining beacon of town enlightenment right now either
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 29 2013 00:06 GMT
#222
On December 29 2013 08:46 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, don't be thick. I asked the host if my submission of the team counted as a yay from me, he said yes, so there was no reason for me to vote.

When I went to bed there were 3 yes votes and no one was contesting my team, so what was I to discuss? I'm not going to bark at the people that have voted yes, their votes are in, and they've already done their bit. For everyone else, I was waiting for them to bring their objections to the thread to discuss with them. If they had no objections, there was nothing to discuss and they'd vote yes.

The level of resistance this team is facing is what I'd expect from an all town team. I'll almost certainly vote yes, but we've got 4 hours still, may as well use it to discuss.


Why would an all town team have no resistance? Wouldn't it be the other way around, with spies coming in to start something and try and get a different team into play?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 29 2013 00:24 GMT
#227
On December 29 2013 09:14 Adam4167 wrote:
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On December 29 2013 09:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 29 2013 08:46 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, don't be thick. I asked the host if my submission of the team counted as a yay from me, he said yes, so there was no reason for me to vote.

When I went to bed there were 3 yes votes and no one was contesting my team, so what was I to discuss? I'm not going to bark at the people that have voted yes, their votes are in, and they've already done their bit. For everyone else, I was waiting for them to bring their objections to the thread to discuss with them. If they had no objections, there was nothing to discuss and they'd vote yes.

The level of resistance this team is facing is what I'd expect from an all town team. I'll almost certainly vote yes, but we've got 4 hours still, may as well use it to discuss.


Why would an all town team have no resistance? Wouldn't it be the other way around, with spies coming in to start something and try and get a different team into play?


There hasn't been no resistance. We have 4 people voting no or declaring they're going to vote no. Thats a team passing by the smallest of margins.


But the first few people all voted yes. Only when it became clear that there was too little evidence for such a fast majority vote did people start voting no to delay everything and see what's going on.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 29 2013 00:25 GMT
#228
On December 29 2013 09:20 Grackaroni wrote:
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On December 29 2013 09:14 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 29 2013 09:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 29 2013 08:46 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, don't be thick. I asked the host if my submission of the team counted as a yay from me, he said yes, so there was no reason for me to vote.

When I went to bed there were 3 yes votes and no one was contesting my team, so what was I to discuss? I'm not going to bark at the people that have voted yes, their votes are in, and they've already done their bit. For everyone else, I was waiting for them to bring their objections to the thread to discuss with them. If they had no objections, there was nothing to discuss and they'd vote yes.

The level of resistance this team is facing is what I'd expect from an all town team. I'll almost certainly vote yes, but we've got 4 hours still, may as well use it to discuss.


Why would an all town team have no resistance? Wouldn't it be the other way around, with spies coming in to start something and try and get a different team into play?


There hasn't been no resistance. We have 4 people voting no or declaring they're going to vote no. Thats a team passing by the smallest of margins.

Maybe somebody can fill me in if it is typical for the first mission to be passed on the first attempt? I'm more alarmed that it is actually passing right now than there being some resistance. I already know that 1/2 of those resisters are not nay voting because they know it's an all town team.


In Resistance 2 the first mission took forever because nobody trusted anybody. Then once town started winning some, the game accelerated.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 29 2013 00:42 GMT
#230
On December 29 2013 09:39 Adam4167 wrote:
Sentinel, if you could change your vote, would you switch it?

Rayn, same question to you


Three hours ago I would have definitely said yes. Now... I'm not completely sure. On one hand, you're here for discussion, which at least somewhat eases my suspicions. On the other hand, Hopeless has disappeared off the map after his vote. That troubles me.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 29 2013 00:54 GMT
#232
On December 29 2013 09:48 Adam4167 wrote:
I agree, i'd prefer hopeless make a re-appearance soon. What i'm mulling over though is that if I did have a spy on this mission, wouldn't I have more people pushing this along, with some gusto even? I don't see that happening here.

But as more people start to side with the nays - or at least not openly supporting the yays, it becomes dangerous to push the mission.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 29 2013 02:21 GMT
#248
This leader order is upside-down from what my optimal leader order would be.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 29 2013 17:30 GMT
#278
On December 30 2013 02:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2013 02:02 Corazon wrote:
On December 30 2013 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
No there's a reason. I'm just trying to decide if it's a town-aligned one or a scum-aligned one. Like, he said he'd consider Yay voting the team I said I was gonna submit, but he's also been calling me scum for two pages. Does that make sense from a town-perspective? It occurs to me that I'm trying to find a balance of towniness to me and towniness to the thread when making my choices, but Koshi seemed like he would send a scumread. :/


Well when it comes to Koshi, I'm just glad that there is no day where we have to send all of the town players.

^ This sentence is quite strange.

I believe he's saying that since there's 6 towns you don't have to send all six on any day, so it's ok to be unsure of a few people as long as you have 5 "confirmed" townies.
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December 29 2013 17:32 GMT
#279
Interesting team... I'm going to have to consider this one.
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December 29 2013 19:59 GMT
#284
I'm going to postpone my judgment, Koshi and VE are both shaky for me and I don't want to repeat my mistake from last round.
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December 29 2013 20:49 GMT
#290
On December 30 2013 05:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE, why did you want your team to fail? What did you expect to gain from watching us vote nay?

Koshi who do you plan to send for your team?

Sentinel what "mistake" do you refer to?



On December 28 2013 12:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hopeless is talking with more sense and clarity that I can conjure up, and his posts do seem a lot more complete than what I saw in my quick browse of his LXIII filter.

I like Adam calling out Koshi as well instead of just hopping on board with everyone else (including me). In some way this makes me think he carefully thought out his team. I trust him and I trust his view on Hopeless. Rayn's been stepping up as our chief discussion leader so I trust him too. I'm okay with this mission.

Voting yay


I think I rushed my vote way too fast. I want to think this one through.
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December 29 2013 21:06 GMT
#295
On December 30 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not know why he liked Koshi / Adam early on, i certainly did not share the feeling. I do not like this post:
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On December 28 2013 12:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hopeless is talking with more sense and clarity that I can conjure up, and his posts do seem a lot more complete than what I saw in my quick browse of his LXIII filter.

I like Adam calling out Koshi as well instead of just hopping on board with everyone else (including me). In some way this makes me think he carefully thought out his team. I trust him and I trust his view on Hopeless. Rayn's been stepping up as our chief discussion leader so I trust him too. I'm okay with this mission.

Voting yay

I like what Sentinel says about Hopeless, and i like what he says about Adam calling out Koshi. The problem is earlier on Koshi was a strong candidate for Sentinel's pick if was to pick a team. Why did you change your mind on Koshi? Another problem with the post is what Sentinel did - he yay-voted amongst the first people for Adam's team. Now he is "holding judgement" on VE's team, when in fact it should be easier to vote in a way or another, as he is one of the teammembers, he has to judge only 2 people, not 3. Explain that Sentinel. Also again, here he says Koshi and VE are shaky, why?

I jumped the gun on this post. I've admitted it in the thread multiple times and I'm admitting it again. If I had my way this post would never exist. However -

This is where I realize that Koshi hasn't really been doing anything except telling everyone he's town, and Adam was the first one to point that out. Good job Adam. However, this is when Adam also disappeared, and people instantly voted yay on his team. That didn't seem right. I think a team with a spy on it would have that little resistance because the spies can back the team 100%. Town team wouldn't.

So it seemed like a spy team until people started voting nay. Then it was still shaky but better.

I actually like VE's team more than Adam's. Cora's still high in my townie books, and I'm town, so that's 2 out of 3 right there. The missing link is VE.

On one hand, VE started out the game much like Adam, saying a few words and then going off the radar, in his case for nearly 24 hours. So that was disconcerting. His post addressing liabilities on the team was spot-on, but I didn't like the fact that he vanished.

Now he's back and returning to the same posts about proper townie behavior, etc. yet his decision felt rash too. I think he should have at least discussed the possibility of me and Cora vs. rayn and Hopeless before he sent the team in, but you addressed that already so I won't bother restating.

What I don't understand though, is why:

On December 30 2013 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
But for the record, I'm still mostly town on Rayn...just disappointed that he's not as active as he was at the start of the game.


Does a strong townread on rayn still justify switching onto me?

Koshi I'm not sure about. I don't like him at all this game, yet I can't pin anything substantial onto him. I hate his "I'm obv town gaise" attitude, yet he did make good points on VE at the time. And I'm still unsure why he's so adamant about nayvoting VE's team.

My gut feeling after all this time tells me to vote yay, but I'm still deciding how much I want to read into Koshi's words.
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December 29 2013 21:10 GMT
#296
On December 30 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote:
I said why already. + now there is a scumslip.

I for one remain unconvinced there was any scumslip there.
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December 29 2013 22:55 GMT
#309
The empty space is quite symbolic there.
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December 30 2013 01:44 GMT
#316
On December 30 2013 09:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Day 1: Phase 2

Team 2
Current Leader: VisceraEyes

Deadline to Vote on the Team: 04:00 GMT (+00:00)
Countdown:
Proposed Team: VisceraEyes, [UoN]Sentinel, Corazon

Current Vote Count:
Koshi: Nay
Hopeless1der: Nay
Corazon: Yay


On December 29 2013 11:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Day 1: Phase 1

Team 2

Current Leader: VisceraEyes

Deadline to Propose a Team: 04:00 GMT (+00:00)
Countdown:
Proposed Team: TBD

Current Vote Count:
TBD


Wait do we have 2 hours or 26?
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December 30 2013 02:15 GMT
#318
Ooooh ok.

Well, guys, I'll be here for the voting deadline, but I won't be around for the majority of the nightphase. I'm leaving on vacation in two days, and I'll be phoneposting for the entirety of Day 2 and the first bit of Day 3. I'll have a lot of time on my hands in the evenings and I'll still be able to keep track of this game since there's only nine of us, but just as a forewarning.
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December 30 2013 19:41 GMT
#324
I've been busy this morning, apologies

80% sure I want to vote yay.
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December 30 2013 19:58 GMT
#326
On December 31 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sent what do you think of Adam's statement about VE?


I don't think it says anything suspicious that VE avoided Adam for a while, seems more like early D1 bias getting in the way of making new reads when Adam comes back in the thread and actually posts.
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December 30 2013 20:03 GMT
#328
On December 31 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant more like what does it say about Adam?

See the puzzle of "who's scum" would make sense if Adam was a spy and Koshi+CR were his confederates trying to push him through, yet why would Adam call direct attention to this if he were the third spy? Why would he be asking VE to reconsider his scumteam?

It doesn't make Adam outright town, but it does at least give a little bit of justice to his name.
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December 30 2013 22:50 GMT
#352
On December 31 2013 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So seriously, where the fuck is everyone?


Rushing my homework before I leave for vacation mostly
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December 30 2013 23:42 GMT
#353
Voting deadline's in just over four hours, so I'm going to vote Yay.
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December 31 2013 00:27 GMT
#355
I'd rather have a team to go through and then see people's reactions. It'll even generate discussion.
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December 31 2013 00:39 GMT
#357
Chairman Ray coming in with the ninja vote, this has got to be a trick of some sort...
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December 31 2013 03:00 GMT
#369
On December 31 2013 11:33 Adam4167 wrote:
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On December 31 2013 05:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
On December 31 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think it's really likely that Adam is town based on that. This line...
If your scum team is correct, then why did both Koshi and Chairman Ray vote yay yesterday?

...is exactly the kind of behavior you should bee looking & questioning in Resistance games if you are town. That's probably one of the best posts in thread.

Well maybe later on it's a good question. Right now it's just meaningless conjecture and WIFOM.


And there you go, discrediting me for asking the right questions.

The reason I asked you that question yesterday is because your scum team literally fails to explain the votes on day one and you don't seem to be looking at the game logically at all. I challenge your logic and now you call it meaningless conjecture and WIFOM. You say that you're not entirely sold on grack and I could be the 3rd scum with koshi and CR, when I was the first person to call Koshi out and subsequently say I'd downvote any team including him when people we're starting to call him town. If I back out of my own team with Koshi voting yes, and I downvote any team including him, what the hell is my game plan with that scum team? To play against my win condition and troll my team?

You are not making any sense, you are not thinking logically about the game. I vote nay on this team.

Adam who is your scum team?
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December 31 2013 03:11 GMT
#371
On December 31 2013 09:35 Chairman Ray wrote:
##vote: yay


Last Post: December 29 2013 05:07

I refuse to believe this is towny behavior
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December 31 2013 03:13 GMT
#372
On December 31 2013 12:03 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, I nay voted my own team yesterday largely because I became unsure about you. You downvoted because you said I refused to discuss or vote my own team. As explained earlier, I didn't feel there was anything TO discuss at the last point when I was in the thread. Then you objected to me taking my time to think through the decision, I made a snap call because of the closing deadline and me needing to go to work and downvoted the team because I wanted to see what you were going to do on subsequent days. This on top of the questionable votes that I've touched on was enough for me to say fuck it and stop the team.

With more thought, you have no reason to downvote the team as scum there. If you're scum, just send the team, fail it and dump the mess on me. Chances are I backed out of a winning team yesterday. Which means that the scum team would be VE, Grack and Cora due to their votes. Which means Koshi and CR are town, and VE suggested a team with his scum teammate on it. I don't like that conclusion either.


I'll do a full reread tonight and try and make some sense of this. I'm off to work now.


Wouldn't the bolded still imply CR/Koshi could be guilty since they sent the team, and could have been trying to set you up for failure?
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December 31 2013 03:45 GMT
#377
On December 31 2013 12:36 Adam4167 wrote:
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On December 31 2013 12:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 31 2013 12:03 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, I nay voted my own team yesterday largely because I became unsure about you. You downvoted because you said I refused to discuss or vote my own team. As explained earlier, I didn't feel there was anything TO discuss at the last point when I was in the thread. Then you objected to me taking my time to think through the decision, I made a snap call because of the closing deadline and me needing to go to work and downvoted the team because I wanted to see what you were going to do on subsequent days. This on top of the questionable votes that I've touched on was enough for me to say fuck it and stop the team.

With more thought, you have no reason to downvote the team as scum there. If you're scum, just send the team, fail it and dump the mess on me. Chances are I backed out of a winning team yesterday. Which means that the scum team would be VE, Grack and Cora due to their votes. Which means Koshi and CR are town, and VE suggested a team with his scum teammate on it. I don't like that conclusion either.


I'll do a full reread tonight and try and make some sense of this. I'm off to work now.


Wouldn't the bolded still imply CR/Koshi could be guilty since they sent the team, and could have been trying to set you up for failure?


Phoneposting. That's only possible if one of hopeless or Rayn are scum to sabotage the mission.

Oh wait I didn't think my thought through, disregard that question
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December 31 2013 03:51 GMT
#381
Just Rayn left now.

I know he said he wanted to hold his vote but it's like 6 AM in Finland, wondering if he didn't oversleep
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December 31 2013 04:00 GMT
#382
What happens if he doesn't show up. We're at 4-4, is it auto-nay?
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December 31 2013 04:05 GMT
#384
Well... that's that.

Good night guys, I'll be back in 8-9 hours or so.
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December 31 2013 13:23 GMT
#403
On December 31 2013 18:22 Koshi wrote:
Anybody here? For some quick chatter?
Question is:
The "scumslip" from Cora, what did you think when you read that?


I am currently off the idea that Cora is scum. I just want to know what you thought when you read it, and don't relate it to Cora his alignment. Just the sentence on itself:
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Well when it comes to Koshi, I'm just glad that there is no day where we have to send all of the town players.


Stop making a big deal about it. If you don't think he's scum, why are you even bringing it up? If we're going to have discussion it's going to be about something that matters.

On December 31 2013 21:42 Koshi wrote:
What about this sentiment:
"In resistance it is not smart for scum to put (light) pressure on each other for no reason, there are no flips and double bussing each other just make it less likely either will be picked if 3 or 4 townies need to be send."

Am I right about this? It somewhat sounds right?


Not completely. If one is trusted more than the other, then it helps one become even more towny at the expense of the other.
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December 31 2013 14:15 GMT
#405
On December 31 2013 23:04 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 22:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 31 2013 18:22 Koshi wrote:
Anybody here? For some quick chatter?
Question is:
The "scumslip" from Cora, what did you think when you read that?


I am currently off the idea that Cora is scum. I just want to know what you thought when you read it, and don't relate it to Cora his alignment. Just the sentence on itself:
Well when it comes to Koshi, I'm just glad that there is no day where we have to send all of the town players.


Stop making a big deal about it. If you don't think he's scum, why are you even bringing it up? If we're going to have discussion it's going to be about something that matters.

On December 31 2013 21:42 Koshi wrote:
What about this sentiment:
"In resistance it is not smart for scum to put (light) pressure on each other for no reason, there are no flips and double bussing each other just make it less likely either will be picked if 3 or 4 townies need to be send."

Am I right about this? It somewhat sounds right?


Not completely. If one is trusted more than the other, then it helps one become even more towny at the expense of the other.

1) I just want people their opinion so I can read them.

Is my opinion going to somehow factor into your magic case on me then?
2) But the problem is that we select townies, so let's say 2 scummers bus each other with good arguments day 1. Town will simply not pick them both, the mission will succeed and both scummers get 0 towncred.[/QUOTE]
We don't know if they're townies though. If we think one of them is a townie and he gets into a fight with an alleged scum, and they're both actually scum, the townie gets more towncred for justifying himself and putting pressure on the scummer.
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December 31 2013 14:16 GMT
#406
Fixing formatting

On December 31 2013 23:04 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 22:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 31 2013 18:22 Koshi wrote:
Anybody here? For some quick chatter?
Question is:
The "scumslip" from Cora, what did you think when you read that?


I am currently off the idea that Cora is scum. I just want to know what you thought when you read it, and don't relate it to Cora his alignment. Just the sentence on itself:
Well when it comes to Koshi, I'm just glad that there is no day where we have to send all of the town players.


Stop making a big deal about it. If you don't think he's scum, why are you even bringing it up? If we're going to have discussion it's going to be about something that matters.

On December 31 2013 21:42 Koshi wrote:
What about this sentiment:
"In resistance it is not smart for scum to put (light) pressure on each other for no reason, there are no flips and double bussing each other just make it less likely either will be picked if 3 or 4 townies need to be send."

Am I right about this? It somewhat sounds right?


Not completely. If one is trusted more than the other, then it helps one become even more towny at the expense of the other.

1) I just want people their opinion so I can read them.

Is my opinion going to somehow factor into your magic case on me then?

2) But the problem is that we select townies, so let's say 2 scummers bus each other with good arguments day 1. Town will simply not pick them both, the mission will succeed and both scummers get 0 towncred.

We don't know if they're townies though. If we think one of them is a townie and he gets into a fight with an alleged scum, and they're both actually scum, the townie gets more towncred for justifying himself and putting pressure on the scummer.
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December 31 2013 14:25 GMT
#409
On December 31 2013 23:20 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 23:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 31 2013 23:04 Koshi wrote:
On December 31 2013 22:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On December 31 2013 18:22 Koshi wrote:
Anybody here? For some quick chatter?
Question is:
The "scumslip" from Cora, what did you think when you read that?


I am currently off the idea that Cora is scum. I just want to know what you thought when you read it, and don't relate it to Cora his alignment. Just the sentence on itself:
Well when it comes to Koshi, I'm just glad that there is no day where we have to send all of the town players.


Stop making a big deal about it. If you don't think he's scum, why are you even bringing it up? If we're going to have discussion it's going to be about something that matters.

On December 31 2013 21:42 Koshi wrote:
What about this sentiment:
"In resistance it is not smart for scum to put (light) pressure on each other for no reason, there are no flips and double bussing each other just make it less likely either will be picked if 3 or 4 townies need to be send."

Am I right about this? It somewhat sounds right?


Not completely. If one is trusted more than the other, then it helps one become even more towny at the expense of the other.

1) I just want people their opinion so I can read them.

Is my opinion going to somehow factor into your magic case on me then?
2) But the problem is that we select townies, so let's say 2 scummers bus each other with good arguments day 1. Town will simply not pick them both, the mission will succeed and both scummers get 0 towncred.

We don't know if they're townies though. If we think one of them is a townie and he gets into a fight with an alleged scum, and they're both actually scum, the townie gets more towncred for justifying himself and putting pressure on the scummer.

1. Glad you expect my case to be magic!
2. The point is that we will never get to the phase where the townie looking scummer will get credit for bussing the scummy looking scummer because both will not get picked for early missions and best case scenario the townie looking scummer will get picked D3 or D4 but it might be too late then.


If enough people think the townie looking scummer is scum, then he's not townie looking.
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December 31 2013 14:29 GMT
#410
On December 31 2013 23:21 Koshi wrote:
btw, I think you might have the biggest filter in the game (except probably rayn, didn't check that yet) so I was totes wrong at the start. One of the many things I was totes wrong about.


I'm second after him, last time I checked. Never thought I'd ever play a game where my filter size would be second only to rayn's, Christmas is magic...

Do you think it is impossible you and VE are in the same scumteam? Any proof you can find in the thread?

What a nice loaded question.

If you mean to ask me if it's possible VE is scum, the two things are a) picking a team without discussing it, never mind the amount of time he actually waited, and b) his reads don't match with his votes, as Adam pointed out. His justification makes sense but it still does not 100% explain why he wouldn't just yayvote since none of his scumteam was on there.
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December 31 2013 15:01 GMT
#412
I'm on the road now, phone posting for the next 4 days
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December 31 2013 19:15 GMT
#424
Koshi: CR is a townread (or should I say null) for me because he is actually spilling good information into this thread. It might be totally unrelevant to this game but I find it useful.


How in god's name is this town behavior? Irrelevant discussion only serves to obstruct actual, useful, town-beneficial discussion from taking place. He also hasn't said anything, and it's not just being busy because he ninja voted without saying a word in the thread. He is far and away the scummiest player in this game right now.
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December 31 2013 20:05 GMT
#431
How would town CR be able to steer town to victory if he's viewed as a suspicious person? All of his stuff about spy strats was construed as him trying to give the team some pointers. If he's town, real scummers would have an easy time twisting his words while they control the majority of town sentiment.

Scum CR, if Mission 1 fails, could adopt the same i-told-you-so reasoning as town CR. I think an experienced player would have no problem shifting the game... he was even talking about how spies would use WIFOM in their voting to scare town into picking new teams.

I'll probably bump him up to null-scum until I see his D2 play in earnest though.
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United States11320 Posts
December 31 2013 20:11 GMT
#434
On January 01 2014 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think what you said about CR is quite accurate in a way that it does not make sense you both are scum. I don't think CR's absence points towards him being town, because as i said it's a way of denying information.

If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.


Koshi's cases have plenty of holes in them but so do VE's statements.

I'd probably back him. I think with all of his clarification of his points lately in the thread he'd have a hard time worming out of his words if anything happened.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 31 2013 20:14 GMT
#436
Cora and Hopeless on one team? If that team fails this thread will explode.
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December 31 2013 20:33 GMT
#442
Reminds me, I have to post my new album in sig when I return...
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December 31 2013 20:43 GMT
#443
Currently going through a land with shitty reception, I'll be back in 2 hours
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United States11320 Posts
January 01 2014 00:38 GMT
#465
On January 01 2014 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Happy New Year all.

So rayn, Koshi, Hopeless

3 votes from teammembers, 1 from CR and then I got to beg Grackster. Hmmm.


I will vote yay on this team as I said before.
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United States11320 Posts
January 01 2014 00:59 GMT
#468
On January 01 2014 09:30 Corazon wrote:
Ok VE, I will answer you now.

The only problem I have with Sentinel is that he isn't really sharing his own opinions. He's made a few posts talking about who he thinks is scummy, but the majority of his posts are talking about game mechanics and possible scum plans. I'm not sure where he stands on his reads because he hasn't made them readily available.


Not sure about my old scumteam since I like koshi's points to clear him for now, although I still think CR is scum.

I got a feeling it's CR, VE and... really don't know what to think of the fight between Hopeless and Cora. Could just be two misguided townies.
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January 01 2014 01:38 GMT
#471
Happy New Year to everyone!
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January 01 2014 01:46 GMT
#473
Only difference I find in Cora's play from Titanic II is that he's slightly calmer. Just slightly.
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January 01 2014 18:38 GMT
#481
On January 02 2014 03:27 Coagulation wrote:
well this has been a heart warming welcome to the game from you guys. thanks for that.

We're all getting piss drunk for new years and you expect manners?
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January 01 2014 23:30 GMT
#483
I believe I make it 5 in the voting thread?
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United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 00:38 GMT
#490
On January 02 2014 08:50 Corazon wrote:
5 people who barely participate (besides Sentinel) just outvoted all of the people actually discussing everything...

Rayn, Koshi, and I have the most posts out of everyone and we all voted yay didn't we?
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United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 00:40 GMT
#491
Oh Rayn didn't, forgot he votes last. He was in support of this team though.
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January 02 2014 00:41 GMT
#493
On January 01 2014 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.

Yeah he said so right here
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United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 00:42 GMT
#494
On January 02 2014 09:40 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 09:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oh Rayn didn't, forgot he votes last. He was in support of this team though.

This team is going to fail because Hopeless is scum. I don't know how many more times I have to say it


Other than him, who are your two others and why?
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United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 00:44 GMT
#496
On January 02 2014 09:42 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On January 01 2014 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.

Yeah he said so right here

Yeah but 2 people who haven't read the thread said yes without thinking it over.

Read the rationale on CR's nonvoting given by Koshi/Rayn and please post thoughts on it
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 00:56 GMT
#501
I don't like your rationale at all.

Please point out why you think CR's inactivity is troubling taking into account what koshi/Ryan said about it.

And put aside your hatred with Coag. Coag, do the same with Cora please. I don't want your game going astray by your hatred of each other since it's going to obstruct the game. If you see anything wrong, take it to the hosts.

Unless you had a major scum read on Adam, there's no reason you should view Coagulation with any suspicion.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 00:56 GMT
#502
Cora didn't see your last post, my bad
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 00:59 GMT
#504
On January 02 2014 09:57 Corazon wrote:
Coag, I don't intend on talking to you at all this game and I asked you to not talk to me at all. Please respect that request.

Cora you're only making yourself look redder by using that fight as a crutch.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 01:04 GMT
#510
Can both of you just stop acting like five year olds and start playing the game?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 01:08 GMT
#514
OK let's be productive.

Coag, this game has 25 pages. It's half of rayn's titanic 1 filter. Give the thread a read and tell me who your scumreads are.

Cora, tell me what you think of Adam. Everything he's been involved in up to the time he left.
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United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 13:35 GMT
#530
On January 02 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote:
What would/should they do?


Koshi's right in this case. Even before the voting we had a list of five people who would support the team. Wouldn't make sense to go against a majority.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 02 2014 22:38 GMT
#561
I'm thinking it was Koshi all along.

CR we are now in D2. Your thoughts on all of this?
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United States11320 Posts
January 03 2014 00:27 GMT
#578
On January 03 2014 09:08 Chairman Ray wrote:
Town, for this mission, do not nay vote it simply because you are not in the mission. Even if you are not on the mission, please give careful consideration to the 4 people who are selected. Even if we select an all town mission and the people on the mission yay vote, we still need one vote from an outside townie to have the mission a go. It is understandable that if you are not on the mission, then selecting 4 out of the 5 remaining town is slim, but if every town outside the mission nay votes, the only mission we'll end up passing is one with a mafia in it.


THIS is the advice we've been waiting for?

I feel more ripped off than when I ask for Coke in a restaurant and 2/3 of the glass is ice.

That should be common sense.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 03 2014 01:36 GMT
#585
I don't feel comfortable sending a team including Grack at this point
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 03 2014 03:57 GMT
#587
I think you're scum, but it's very hard to organize my thoughts on a phone so I could be wrong. 24 hours from now or so I will have an answer.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 03 2014 14:16 GMT
#646
So next team would be VE/Sent/Cora/Rayn?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 04 2014 01:16 GMT
#700
Other than yayvoting mission one, what do you have against me Grack?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 04 2014 01:17 GMT
#701
On January 03 2014 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think you're scum, but it's very hard to organize my thoughts on a phone so I could be wrong. 24 hours from now or so I will have an answer.


I just got back home but it's only been 21.5 hours. I still need time to formulate an answer.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 04 2014 01:18 GMT
#704
On January 04 2014 10:17 Grackaroni wrote:
What did you mean when you said 24 hours from now you would have an answer?


21.5 hours ago I thought you were really scummy but I couldn't make big cases easily on my phone so I couldn't analyze you. Now I am home and can make big cases, but you've definitely changed.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 04 2014 01:19 GMT
#705
On January 04 2014 10:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2014 10:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Other than yayvoting mission one, what do you have against me Grack?

I don't remember anything you've said. Which is also true of VE except that he down voted the 1st mission.

That's not my fault...
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 04 2014 01:24 GMT
#707
The only thing I could say about my mentality at the time was that I was riding rayn''s idea of the scumteam being Adam/Hopeless/Grack.
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January 04 2014 02:48 GMT
#710
On January 04 2014 10:48 Koshi wrote:
Guess I will yayvote.


Still waiting...
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 04 2014 20:35 GMT
#723
On January 05 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure it is in my filter.


Excuse me?

On January 04 2014 10:48 Koshi wrote:
Guess I will yayvote.

On January 05 2014 04:41 Koshi wrote:
I will.

On January 05 2014 05:30 Koshi wrote:
Meh this resistance game is kinda silly. There is really 0 things you can deduct from the voting most of the time because it is obvious what will happen.

Anyway. I went nay. Somewhere I want to yay to get it over with but we will see.

I don't see the reasoning
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 05 2014 00:26 GMT
#750
On January 05 2014 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Just convince the others. No need to interact with me.


Don't be another Corazon please
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 05 2014 00:41 GMT
#754
Might as well...
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 05 2014 18:56 GMT
#784
Oh... was I #5?

I'm unsure of what's going on with Grack. I thought he was town for a while... maybe not... Adam/Coag-Hopeless-Grack might be the scumteam after all based on the voting.
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United States11320 Posts
January 05 2014 23:10 GMT
#797
I really fucked this one up.

2 scummers from Coag/Hopeless/CR
1 scummer from the team (Grack?)

I'm thinking rayn/koshi/cora/VE
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United States11320 Posts
January 05 2014 23:56 GMT
#808
I stand by my proposition.
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United States11320 Posts
January 06 2014 00:16 GMT
#820
On January 06 2014 08:57 Corazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 08:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I stand by my proposition.

Why did you vote yes to your scumread's team?

Because I'm dumb.
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January 07 2014 03:35 GMT
#849
Hammer?

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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 07 2014 03:35 GMT
#850
Wrong game whoops
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United States11320 Posts
January 07 2014 10:44 GMT
#886
On January 07 2014 15:39 Corazon wrote:
Hey Sentinel, I'm trying to figure out a team to go after Hopeless' team goes into failure.

Who would you be ok sending?

Send anyone, at this point I'm just doublevoting rayn.
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United States11320 Posts
January 07 2014 20:18 GMT
#918
On January 08 2014 05:12 Koshi wrote:
See I would say VE is scum but literally everybody gives the guy a townread, except for Sentinel.

On January 06 2014 08:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I really fucked this one up.

2 scummers from Coag/Hopeless/CR
1 scummer from the team (Grack?)

I'm thinking rayn/koshi/cora/VE

I was willing to send him
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United States11320 Posts
January 08 2014 10:54 GMT
#957
On January 08 2014 17:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 05:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On January 08 2014 05:12 Koshi wrote:
See I would say VE is scum but literally everybody gives the guy a townread, except for Sentinel.

On January 06 2014 08:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I really fucked this one up.

2 scummers from Coag/Hopeless/CR
1 scummer from the team (Grack?)

I'm thinking rayn/koshi/cora/VE

I was willing to send him

I meant earlier:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2014 09:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On January 01 2014 09:30 Corazon wrote:
Ok VE, I will answer you now.

The only problem I have with Sentinel is that he isn't really sharing his own opinions. He's made a few posts talking about who he thinks is scummy, but the majority of his posts are talking about game mechanics and possible scum plans. I'm not sure where he stands on his reads because he hasn't made them readily available.


Not sure about my old scumteam since I like koshi's points to clear him for now, although I still think CR is scum.

I got a feeling it's CR, VE and... really don't know what to think of the fight between Hopeless and Cora. Could just be two misguided townies.

Which makes it interesting you yay-voted the one with VE couple days later.
This post also makes it so perfect if Sentinel/Cora/Hopeless are scum. But it is rarely so easy.

Things I remember from you this game:
1) All yayvotes.
2) Talking 3 times about the scumslip while everybody else ignored it.
3) Strange stance on CR.
4) Pushed Grack scum right after team passed.

They are all scummy things.

How is number 2 scummy? Wouldn't I as scum be trying to avoid showing my scummy behavior?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
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January 08 2014 11:23 GMT
#959
On January 08 2014 20:20 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand the question.

#2 isn't scummy at all.
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January 08 2014 11:52 GMT
#961
How fun.
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January 09 2014 10:52 GMT
#984
On January 09 2014 16:56 Chairman Ray wrote:
Let's plan it out:

If we pass this on my turn, we then pass the 4th mission on rayn's turn. Out of the 5 following players, Koshi is the confirmed town, so we have one chance to pass the 5th mission on his turn.


My question is, if your mission passes, why I can't pass mission 4. Mission 3 only requires one sabotage to fail and M4 requires 2. If mission 3 goes through, can't I just add myself to the list, use the same team plus myself for mission 4, and it should go through? Even if I was scum, there would only be one sabotage?
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January 10 2014 03:32 GMT
#1004
On January 10 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
so i guess im just the invisible fucking man. wonderful

join the club.
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January 10 2014 10:56 GMT
#1014
CR - Koshi - rayn - VE

Is this team fine or should I change someone?
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January 10 2014 11:19 GMT
#1016
I don't trust Coag. Otherwise I just needed a fourth man.
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January 10 2014 20:35 GMT
#1080
we got seven hours left and I'll be here for all seven.
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January 11 2014 01:17 GMT
#1101
GG

Glad to know my reads were fucked up from the start and I should never trust my buttbuddy 100%
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January 11 2014 02:18 GMT
#1126
I don't blame you for not looking for them. I wasn't going to make a stellar comeback, and it did seem pretty scummy. If the team was all-town and succeeded, I would've started using that to show that I picked a towny team and thus am town, but before that I had little evidence and I didn't feel like using any of it in my defense.
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