Resistance 3

On December 24 2013 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
/obs

this will be the first game of Resistance without me in it. I'm sorry I can't make this one, guys. Do well

On March 07 2012 00:07 prplhz wrote:

lol no

FROM NOW ON, IN EVERY FUTURE GAME, THE SPY RULE IS THAT THE FIRST ONE ON THE SUBMISSION ORDER DOES THE SABOTAGING

FUTURE SPY TEAMS CAN JUST SEND PEOPLE TO THIS THREAD AND THEY WILL KNOW

On December 24 2013 11:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
/in

The leader selecting 4 players on D3 and 4 is a mechanic of the game and must be included.

Edit: The idea is that it increases the risk of sending the same successful team throughout the game, forcing the leaders to consider other players that haven't been on successful missions.

On December 24 2013 11:45 FirmTofu wrote:

What do you suggest for day 5? I'm curious why the hosts of Resistance 2 did it differently from the Wikipedia reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Resistance_(game), which recommends 3,4,4,5,5 for each consecutive day, respectively.

On December 24 2013 12:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
/in <3

This game is fucking awesome!

On December 24 2013 14:44 Blazinghand wrote:
3 4 4 5(2) 5 is optimal imo

On December 27 2013 10:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Picking a team that will get 100% downvoted (if that includes yourself) does not serve any purpose.

On December 27 2013 10:33 Hopeless1der wrote:

Lets suppose at least 1 of those 3 go on to fail a mission. Are you, as leader, culpable in the failure?

On December 27 2013 10:44 Hopeless1der wrote:

but now, you've coerced a player into doing "town's" bidding without having a clear view of his motive. I find that the vote mechanics serve to control how you view players much better than forcing the teams that people want to see.

Since we have up to 5 opportunities to get this done each round, I'd rather be confident in my read of the leader (and subsequently his selected companions) than have to second guess his motives down the road.

I'm not saying that each round is going to slam-dunk. I think that the consideration should FOLLOW the team being selected when people vote on it, and the leader should be playing to their optimal scenario.

On December 28 2013 00:50 Koshi wrote:

No. I don't like that.

You send the most townie people on Day 1. But because I doubt that anybody can prove himself 100% town I suggest that the most active people/most respected people go on the first mission. Reasons have been stated.

Why I do not want liabilities to go on a Mission 1. Let's say we send Chairman Ray/[UoN]Sentinel/Hopeless on Mission 1 and it fails. What will you do then? One of those is scum but all 3 will probably(?) not have the biggest filter and shit is hard when there are no flips. But then you have your townleaders with the biggest filters (aka rayn/VE/Koshi/...) that don't really know who to trust and what to do. It's not optimal.

Let's say that we send rayn/VE/Cora and mission succeeds. Then I know for a fact that 50% of all the post on Day 2 will be made by townies. For a fact. So easy. So nice.

On December 28 2013 01:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sending a liability is a bad idea because it allows strong playing spies (i.e., myself if I were a spy) to hide behind the liability and get on further missions. It's a much better idea to just try and send the towniest people of the day and find out if they're ACTUALLY TOWN with the mission.

We don't have to worry about whether someone will be "leading town" later on because there are no kills and everyone is in the game the whole time. If I'm not sent on any missions, you'll still be able to benefit from my posting regardless the whole game long.

On December 28 2013 15:31 Chairman Ray wrote:


Leaders should have to yay or nay their team. There's plenty good reason for a leader to reject his own team, and in this format, the order in which people yay/nay brings good information, so I think we should still require leaders to formally yay/nay as well.

On December 29 2013 04:02 Chairman Ray wrote:


From my experiences, leaders commonly reject their own team. The reason is not because of a lack of confidence, but because the most information and discussion comes from more rounds being played. Great information is gained through seeing other leaders' picks and people's voting patterns from round to round. If the leader feels that more information can be gained, then he would propose a team, and then reject it himself. Here's one such scenario that occurs often:

We are on the 5th round and the score is 2-2. We still don't know exactly who the mafia are, but we put our towniest 5 on the mission. The leader rejects the mission making the vote fail in a 4-5 vote. However, two people who were not on the mission yayed it. This confirms those two as mafia, and indicates a high likelihood that there is a spy that was sent on the mission. If the leader passed it, the game would have been lost right there.

Our voting format is a bit different than the real Resistance, but the concept is the same. I would expect that leaders would not yay/nay until the deciding vote. If new information arises that would indicate that the team is not good, then the leader would reject it.

On December 29 2013 05:46 Corazon wrote:
He's making Adam vote formally so we still have a chance to convince him to oppose his team and read the game.

On December 29 2013 06:16 Koshi wrote:
Cora & VE both scummers.
Current team is all town.
CR is town.

I would say out of sentinel and grack, grack is the scummer.

On December 29 2013 08:46 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, don't be thick. I asked the host if my submission of the team counted as a yay from me, he said yes, so there was no reason for me to vote.

When I went to bed there were 3 yes votes and no one was contesting my team, so what was I to discuss? I'm not going to bark at the people that have voted yes, their votes are in, and they've already done their bit. For everyone else, I was waiting for them to bring their objections to the thread to discuss with them. If they had no objections, there was nothing to discuss and they'd vote yes.

The level of resistance this team is facing is what I'd expect from an all town team. I'll almost certainly vote yes, but we've got 4 hours still, may as well use it to discuss.

On December 29 2013 09:14 Adam4167 wrote:


There hasn't been no resistance. We have 4 people voting no or declaring they're going to vote no. Thats a team passing by the smallest of margins.

On December 29 2013 09:20 Grackaroni wrote:

Maybe somebody can fill me in if it is typical for the first mission to be passed on the first attempt? I'm more alarmed that it is actually passing right now than there being some resistance. I already know that 1/2 of those resisters are not nay voting because they know it's an all town team.

On December 29 2013 09:39 Adam4167 wrote:
Sentinel, if you could change your vote, would you switch it?

Rayn, same question to you

On December 29 2013 09:48 Adam4167 wrote:
I agree, i'd prefer hopeless make a re-appearance soon. What i'm mulling over though is that if I did have a spy on this mission, wouldn't I have more people pushing this along, with some gusto even? I don't see that happening here.

On December 30 2013 02:22 Koshi wrote:

^ This sentence is quite strange.

On December 30 2013 05:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
VE, why did you want your team to fail? What did you expect to gain from watching us vote nay?

Koshi who do you plan to send for your team?

Sentinel what "mistake" do you refer to?

On December 28 2013 12:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Hopeless is talking with more sense and clarity that I can conjure up, and his posts do seem a lot more complete than what I saw in my quick browse of his LXIII filter.

I like Adam calling out Koshi as well instead of just hopping on board with everyone else (including me). In some way this makes me think he carefully thought out his team. I trust him and I trust his view on Hopeless. Rayn's been stepping up as our chief discussion leader so I trust him too. I'm okay with this mission.

Voting yay

On December 30 2013 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not know why he liked Koshi / Adam early on, i certainly did not share the feeling. I do not like this post:

I like what Sentinel says about Hopeless, and i like what he says about Adam calling out Koshi. The problem is earlier on Koshi was a strong candidate for Sentinel's pick if was to pick a team. Why did you change your mind on Koshi? Another problem with the post is what Sentinel did - he yay-voted amongst the first people for Adam's team. Now he is "holding judgement" on VE's team, when in fact it should be easier to vote in a way or another, as he is one of the teammembers, he has to judge only 2 people, not 3. Explain that Sentinel. Also again, here he says Koshi and VE are shaky, why?

On December 30 2013 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
But for the record, I'm still mostly town on Rayn...just disappointed that he's not as active as he was at the start of the game.

On December 30 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote:
I said why already. + now there is a scumslip.

On December 30 2013 09:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Day 1: Phase 2

Team 2
Current Leader: VisceraEyes

Deadline to Vote on the Team: 04:00 GMT (+00:00)
Countdown:
Proposed Team: VisceraEyes, [UoN]Sentinel, Corazon

Current Vote Count:
Koshi: Nay
Hopeless1der: Nay
Corazon: Yay

On December 29 2013 11:38 FirmTofu wrote:

Team 2

Current Leader: VisceraEyes

Deadline to Propose a Team: 04:00 GMT (+00:00)
Countdown:
Proposed Team: TBD

Current Vote Count:
TBD

On December 31 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sent what do you think of Adam's statement about VE?

On December 31 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant more like what does it say about Adam?

On December 31 2013 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So seriously, where the fuck is everyone?

On December 31 2013 11:33 Adam4167 wrote:


And there you go, discrediting me for asking the right questions.

The reason I asked you that question yesterday is because your scum team literally fails to explain the votes on day one and you don't seem to be looking at the game logically at all. I challenge your logic and now you call it meaningless conjecture and WIFOM. You say that you're not entirely sold on grack and I could be the 3rd scum with koshi and CR, when I was the first person to call Koshi out and subsequently say I'd downvote any team including him when people we're starting to call him town. If I back out of my own team with Koshi voting yes, and I downvote any team including him, what the hell is my game plan with that scum team? To play against my win condition and troll my team?

You are not making any sense, you are not thinking logically about the game. I vote nay on this team.

On December 31 2013 12:03 Adam4167 wrote:
Rayn, I nay voted my own team yesterday largely because I became unsure about you. You downvoted because you said I refused to discuss or vote my own team. As explained earlier, I didn't feel there was anything TO discuss at the last point when I was in the thread. Then you objected to me taking my time to think through the decision, I made a snap call because of the closing deadline and me needing to go to work and downvoted the team because I wanted to see what you were going to do on subsequent days. This on top of the questionable votes that I've touched on was enough for me to say fuck it and stop the team.

With more thought, you have no reason to downvote the team as scum there. If you're scum, just send the team, fail it and dump the mess on me. Chances are I backed out of a winning team yesterday. Which means that the scum team would be VE, Grack and Cora due to their votes. Which means Koshi and CR are town, and VE suggested a team with his scum teammate on it. I don't like that conclusion either.


I'll do a full reread tonight and try and make some sense of this. I'm off to work now.

On December 31 2013 12:36 Adam4167 wrote:


Phoneposting. That's only possible if one of hopeless or Rayn are scum to sabotage the mission.

On December 31 2013 18:22 Koshi wrote:
Anybody here? For some quick chatter?
Question is:
The "scumslip" from Cora, what did you think when you read that?


I am currently off the idea that Cora is scum. I just want to know what you thought when you read it, and don't relate it to Cora his alignment. Just the sentence on itself:

On December 31 2013 21:42 Koshi wrote:
What about this sentiment:
"In resistance it is not smart for scum to put (light) pressure on each other for no reason, there are no flips and double bussing each other just make it less likely either will be picked if 3 or 4 townies need to be send."

Am I right about this? It somewhat sounds right?

On December 31 2013 23:04 Koshi wrote:

1) I just want people their opinion so I can read them.

On December 31 2013 23:04 Koshi wrote:

1) I just want people their opinion so I can read them.

2) But the problem is that we select townies, so let's say 2 scummers bus each other with good arguments day 1. Town will simply not pick them both, the mission will succeed and both scummers get 0 towncred.

On December 31 2013 23:20 Koshi wrote:

1. Glad you expect my case to be magic!
2. The point is that we will never get to the phase where the townie looking scummer will get credit for bussing the scummy looking scummer because both will not get picked for early missions and best case scenario the townie looking scummer will get picked D3 or D4 but it might be too late then.

On December 31 2013 23:21 Koshi wrote:
btw, I think you might have the biggest filter in the game (except probably rayn, didn't check that yet) so I was totes wrong at the start. One of the many things I was totes wrong about.

Do you think it is impossible you and VE are in the same scumteam? Any proof you can find in the thread?

Koshi: CR is a townread (or should I say null) for me because he is actually spilling good information into this thread. It might be totally unrelevant to this game but I find it useful.

On January 01 2014 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think what you said about CR is quite accurate in a way that it does not make sense you both are scum. I don't think CR's absence points towards him being town, because as i said it's a way of denying information.

If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.

On January 01 2014 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Happy New Year all.

So rayn, Koshi, Hopeless

3 votes from teammembers, 1 from CR and then I got to beg Grackster. Hmmm.

On January 01 2014 09:30 Corazon wrote:
Ok VE, I will answer you now.

The only problem I have with Sentinel is that he isn't really sharing his own opinions. He's made a few posts talking about who he thinks is scummy, but the majority of his posts are talking about game mechanics and possible scum plans. I'm not sure where he stands on his reads because he hasn't made them readily available.

On January 02 2014 03:27 Coagulation wrote:
well this has been a heart warming welcome to the game from you guys. thanks for that.

On January 02 2014 08:50 Corazon wrote:
5 people who barely participate (besides Sentinel) just outvoted all of the people actually discussing everything...

On January 01 2014 04:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.

On January 02 2014 09:40 Corazon wrote:

This team is going to fail because Hopeless is scum. I don't know how many more times I have to say it

On January 02 2014 09:42 Corazon wrote:

Yeah but 2 people who haven't read the thread said yes without thinking it over.

On January 02 2014 09:57 Corazon wrote:
Coag, I don't intend on talking to you at all this game and I asked you to not talk to me at all. Please respect that request.

On January 02 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote:
What would/should they do?

On January 03 2014 09:08 Chairman Ray wrote:
Town, for this mission, do not nay vote it simply because you are not in the mission. Even if you are not on the mission, please give careful consideration to the 4 people who are selected. Even if we select an all town mission and the people on the mission yay vote, we still need one vote from an outside townie to have the mission a go. It is understandable that if you are not on the mission, then selecting 4 out of the 5 remaining town is slim, but if every town outside the mission nay votes, the only mission we'll end up passing is one with a mafia in it.

On January 03 2014 12:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I think you're scum, but it's very hard to organize my thoughts on a phone so I could be wrong. 24 hours from now or so I will have an answer.

On January 04 2014 10:17 Grackaroni wrote:
What did you mean when you said 24 hours from now you would have an answer?

On January 04 2014 10:17 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't remember anything you've said. Which is also true of VE except that he down voted the 1st mission.

On January 04 2014 10:48 Koshi wrote:
Guess I will yayvote.

On January 05 2014 05:31 Koshi wrote:
Pretty sure it is in my filter.

On January 04 2014 10:48 Koshi wrote:
Guess I will yayvote.

On January 05 2014 04:41 Koshi wrote:
I will.

On January 05 2014 05:30 Koshi wrote:
Meh this resistance game is kinda silly. There is really 0 things you can deduct from the voting most of the time because it is obvious what will happen.

Anyway. I went nay. Somewhere I want to yay to get it over with but we will see.

On January 05 2014 09:01 Koshi wrote:
Just convince the others. No need to interact with me.

On January 06 2014 08:57 Corazon wrote:

Why did you vote yes to your scumread's team?

On January 07 2014 15:39 Corazon wrote:
Hey Sentinel, I'm trying to figure out a team to go after Hopeless' team goes into failure.

Who would you be ok sending?

On January 08 2014 05:12 Koshi wrote:
See I would say VE is scum but literally everybody gives the guy a townread, except for Sentinel.

On January 06 2014 08:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I really fucked this one up.

2 scummers from Coag/Hopeless/CR
1 scummer from the team (Grack?)

I'm thinking rayn/koshi/cora/VE

On January 08 2014 17:18 Koshi wrote:

I meant earlier:

Which makes it interesting you yay-voted the one with VE couple days later.
This post also makes it so perfect if Sentinel/Cora/Hopeless are scum. But it is rarely so easy.

Things I remember from you this game:
1) All yayvotes.
2) Talking 3 times about the scumslip while everybody else ignored it.
3) Strange stance on CR.
4) Pushed Grack scum right after team passed.

They are all scummy things.

On January 08 2014 20:20 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand the question.

On January 09 2014 16:56 Chairman Ray wrote:
Let's plan it out:

If we pass this on my turn, we then pass the 4th mission on rayn's turn. Out of the 5 following players, Koshi is the confirmed town, so we have one chance to pass the 5th mission on his turn.

On January 10 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
so i guess im just the invisible fucking man. wonderful