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On January 03 2014 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 19:44 Grackaroni wrote:On January 03 2014 19:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 03 2014 19:24 Grackaroni wrote:On January 03 2014 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Well Mr.Grackaroni, explain this: On December 27 2013 21:48 Grackaroni wrote:
Adam/Hopeless/Rayn sounds pretty good. Nothing here suggests a change in your reads. Grackaroni: Nay I don't think looking for filter consistency is the right way to go about scum hunting in general. If I want my filter to be consistent I can make it consistent. I liked both you/hopeless but not enough to yay vote the first mission. I was going to nay vote any mission the first few days regardless of the team because there was only like 20 pages of thread. Filter consistency is the only way to scumhunt because if your filter is not consistent then you are scum as you change your mind based on nothing - something you don't do as town. What do you suggest is how to scumhunt then? I won't tell you how to scumhunt. There are definitely times when you can catch scum for a weird inconsistency. From my own experience I believe that scum are more concerned with making their filter consistent and that they will always give a reason to explain their actions. I don't think down voting a team that is good for scum after saying a team is good is indicative of scum play; on the contrary, it's a pretty damn good indicator of town. You are arguing that Adam and I are scum with Hopeless and that Adam/I were both against the idea of having 2 scum on our team, yet we both came out pro-hopeless. It's not even that I disagree with your theory because I know that it's wrong. I don't think that it's a sensible belief disregarding my own alignment. I am saying i am leaning on you and Adam(Coag) being scum because your reasoning for voting behavior and reads do not match what's been happening in thread and what you have said before. I'll make a more detailed post about this for all the people to see tonight, i gotta go after a while for couple of hours so i don't have time to do it now.
No, you took a list of nay votes that included yourself and said you found the scum team. Then I said that was rather silly because I nay voted a team that could have been a free sabotage for scum. Then you discounted that reasoning as unimportant. Later you've been floundering around with the idea that I was forced to nay vote because there were 2 scum on the mission, despite the fact that we would have both been setting ourselves up to place 2 scum on the mission.
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I find your mindset really strange Rayn. You've been thinking all game long that lots of yay votes points to a scum mission as in scum are voting yay, and now you've decided the scum team is Adam/hopeless/Grack because we voted nay on a vote where you also would have voted nay.
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On January 03 2014 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's not the basis of my read if you have read my posts.
Well why don't you tell me what is the basis of your read. You found me saying I liked you and hopeless and nay voting later on. The only reasoning I can see besides that is because you think scum would want to spread the blame, which I don't think is even true. I over bus in non-resistance games lol. If I was scum I would just attack my teammates, get myself on the mission and if people accuse me of sabotaging the mission my teammates would have a better chance of getting on the next mission.
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Honestly I am starting to picture a Rayn/hopeless/Adam team right now just from how strange this accusation is from Rayn.
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On January 03 2014 21:17 Koshi wrote:
meh. Don't think rayn would go after Hopeless so hard so fast.
Well right now I'm probably going to put in a team of Grackaroni/Koshi/VE/Corazon, and I'm almost positive the vote will fail.
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For starters I don't understand where you get to the conclusion that Adam is scum. I don't understand how you can nay vote a team and then come back and say that 3 people whose thought process was similar to your own that day was scum.
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On January 03 2014 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2014 21:08 Grackaroni wrote:On January 03 2014 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's not the basis of my read if you have read my posts. Well why don't you tell me what is the basis of your read. You found me saying I liked you and hopeless and nay voting later on. The only reasoning I can see besides that is because you think scum would want to spread the blame, which I don't think is even true. I over bus in non-resistance games lol. If I was scum I would just attack my teammates, get myself on the mission and if people accuse me of sabotaging the mission my teammates would have a better chance of getting on the next mission. Your train of thought regarding the first mission and voting does not make sense. Your thought process does not match your actions. I am making a big post about this when i get back home but i gotta go in ~10min so i really have no time now.
This is really just such a bad accusation. You thought day 1 was bad. There were too many yay votes. That we should down vote the team. Later on you find out that team 1 was in fact bad, and the first thing you do is accuse 2 of the nay voters of being the scum team. This is what I think is a reasonable inconsistency to look into.
I don't think that is a townie mindset. I thought the same thing as you day1. When I found out that team 1 must have had a spy, I was critical of CR and Sentinel for yay voting the mission.
I think that gathering information from the votes is the most pro-town thing you can do. I don't try to make teams with no information; there's a reason that I am more active now that I am leader.
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On January 04 2014 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni why did you pick me into your team? I thought you think i am mafia.
I was really annoyed with your accusation at the time, but you were persistent with it. I feel better about sending you than sending Koshi.
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On January 04 2014 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 10:09 Grackaroni wrote:On January 04 2014 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni why did you pick me into your team? I thought you think i am mafia. I was really annoyed with your accusation at the time, but you were persistent with it. I feel better about sending you than sending Koshi. Hmm.. Why does it have to be me or Koshi over other people?
Because I'd rather decide between that mission than choose between CR/coag and sentinel gives me bad vibes.
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On January 04 2014 10:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Other than yayvoting mission one, what do you have against me Grack?
I don't remember anything you've said. Which is also true of VE except that he down voted the 1st mission.
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What did you mean when you said 24 hours from now you would have an answer?
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Looks like I made a shitty team.
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unless Coag is mafia and he upvoted a passing team.
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I wonder who is getting Blaine's for this one lol.
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Never fear, I shall write the night post!
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The resistance put up a good showing on day 2. United by Grackaroni and his amazing scumhunting skills, the resistance banded together to form a team of super townies.
Fortunately, Grackaroni was so pro-town that the scummers could not stop his mission. The vote was close, but everybody's reasoning was solid.
"I certainly don't feel comfortable sending Grack on a mission right now. We'll see in 24 hours after I see who he puts on the mission with him" - Sentinel ##YAY
"Yes! yes! Grack is definitely the weak link on this team" -VE ##YAY
"I guess I can't blame Grack for putting himself in" - Corazon ##YAY
"ugh such wifom" - Hopeless ##YAY
"Guys, go on without me. I am in a mafia depression! Trust me I am not the mafia; Koshi is confirmed town." -Koshi ##NAY
*cricket, cricket* - Chairman Ray ##NAY
"lulz" -Coag ##YAY
"woops..." - Grackaroni ##NAY
"Damn that Grackaroni! I know for sure that he is the scum out of these guys, but please don't ask me to give a reasonable explanation for why it is him!!" - Rayn ##NAY
The second mission failed. There were 3 sabotages.
Hopeless1der must propose a team of 4 people to head the mission. He may include himself.
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Yes! I was town just long enough for the passing of the mission.
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Once the mission is already passed and the votes are in I'm obviously scum.
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On January 06 2014 08:50 Corazon wrote:
I'm not entirely sure, but two things are confusing to me:
Why did Grack make his team and then vote No on it? The timing of his vote looks really suspicious because it was after his vote would not matter. Perhaps he could be try to distance himself from a mission he knew was going to fail?
Why did Sentinel immediately blame Grack for the sabotage? It looks especially weird because he voted yes to the team. I don't understand.
Also, CR's post really makes me feel like he knew the mission was going to end in failure.
In my opinion, I need to pick two out of these three to join hopeless as my proposed scum team.
1) We all knew that the mission would fail at that point. 2) How does that distance me from my team? The vote literally did not matter.
On January 06 2014 08:56 Corazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2014 08:52 Koshi wrote:
Is there a reason why VE is town? Shouldn't he carry more weight? I haven't seen any scummy posts from VE. I just get a townie vibe from him. He looks like he is trying to solve the game and never has bouts of inactivity or lack of effort like a lot of other players here.
VE has been chilling all game long lol.
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