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On January 14 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
Vayne, what are the insights that you found valuable from Wave?

On January 12 2014 10:07 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'd suggest ditching dick move analysis; it's proven to be ineffective as of late. I will however appeal to you personally; you can take it as you will. Knowing what you know of me, my playstyle, and my attitude towards mafia and rules in general, I think you can draw the proper conclusions.

Now if people are interested in my scumreads (and you should be), I'm thinking primarily suchdoge for starters.
I have been in discussion with a few players in PMs (I won't reveal who I'm talking to with regards to specific conversations unless I believe it's absolutely necessary---they can reveal themselves if they so choose) and one player got me thinking about suchdoge's identity. I won't really bother guessing (even though we both guessed the same person) because basing a scumread solely on that (and as a result, meta) would be terrible but if other people have any guesses you may want to keep those in mind or alternatively you can PM me and I will discuss that section with you.

Suchdoge:
His massive entry post that said the same thing about the mayoral election that I already did earlier in thread, and then promoted marv and mig as good candidates for election despite the fact that marv (at the time) was barely playing this game (although I can't be certain about PMs) and I'm assuming Mig hasn't shown up yet (and from what I saw in PYP I'm not particularly impressed with his play).

The rest of his filter (and he HAS one, unlike others) was shitting on the main and strongest mayoral prospect and talking about how he can't PM.

I would be curious to know what interactions people have had with him in PM/IRC-land because I have spoken to people with conflicting reads here. It is my belief that such an entry into the thread, not offering anything particularly useful other than the offering up of mayoral candidates that can widely be accepted as 'good players' if they decide to run is nothing more than a safe and neutral play under the guise of effort, a perfect scum opener. The rest of his filter does not lead me to believe he has town's best interests in mind (despite some people currently agreeing with DrH not being the best mayoral prospect, including DrH himself) as he promoted negativity without offering something positive and realistic in return. Also now that marv HAS announced his potential candidacy I would like to see how he will react.

On January 12 2014 21:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
I really don't like the direction things have taken right now.
I'm really tempted to pick up the reins here now that yamato has dropped out (and why, exactly?) because I have zero faith or trust in Rayn this game and don't want the mayor role to default onto him.
Marv I'm 50/50 on you right now, so let's chat while I have the chance.

At the moment the only thing stopping me from actually running is the fact that I won't be around for deadlines and a large part of today specifically, which wouldn't exactly be fair to what would be my loyal constituents, now would it? VE please take your vote off me so I'm not tempted any further.

I've said it before and I'll say it again---I get burned on newbie reads a lot, unfortunately, but that doesn't mean I have to like what is going on with Derrida. I simply don't think he is scum despite the similarities between his opening post here and in his scum game and I certainly don't like that he appears to be an easy 'default' lynch for people to fall back on. Rayn announced he'd vote for him (to assist him in winning, no doubt) and now marv has done the same---it seems today's lynch has already been chosen despite all the talk that's going to go on for the next few hours, no?

On January 14 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:
That 2nd quote I really dislike. I hate the "I don't like this direction at the moment"

He keeps shading rayn without backup and he's unhappy that I'm finally running for mayor? He also defended Xatalos terribly. I dunno. Why does Wave not think Derrida is mafia? What possible reason does he have to think this other than other people have called Derrida mafia?

On January 14 2014 02:49 marvellosity wrote:
That 2nd quote I really dislike. I hate the "I don't like this direction at the moment"

He keeps shading rayn without backup and he's unhappy that I'm finally running for mayor? He also defended Xatalos terribly. I dunno. Why does Wave not think Derrida is mafia? What possible reason does he have to think this other than other people have called Derrida mafia?

On January 14 2014 03:02 marvellosity wrote:
BC and chinstrap both advertised their absence pre-game, so I don't see any direct comparisons with Derrida; basically everyone is hunching that Derrida is/was town in the ongoing game and comparing his opening post here to his opening post in the mafiagame he played which was extremely similar in intent

I don't see how you see a bad list post in a mafiagame then a bad listpost in this game and come to the conclusion "i don't think Derrida is scum"

You're also saying "as much as it is bad" when originally you posted it as insight from wave and you commented that it was insight, so you're kinda disagreeing yourself here which is pretty sucky.

On January 14 2014 03:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
he is a lynch target here so I don't see how it's a bad example. You thought his posts were super scummy and he wasn't. I think you are reading him wrong similarly here.

On January 14 2014 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's not what we are discussing here and in my opinion the situation was entirely different in 4 Persone, where WoS intentionally did something scummy to bait out reactions.

Here we are talking about the post that disagrees with things and does not offer alternatives. It does not say anything useful but spread doubt on people and includes a read that has no basis other than "because so many people think Derrida is scummy he can't be scum".

And btw WoS was not a lynch target at the time he made the post. I think you are trying to misrepresent the situation here and avoiding to give an answer.

On January 14 2014 03:31 yamato77 wrote:
I'm here, ask me stuff