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Aquanim
+ Show Spoiler [thread] +On January 12 2014 11:16 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 11:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
let's talk about how derrida is scum Yeah, OK. Reasons to think he's scum: list post, but that's a heuristic in which I have only limited confidence bases his mayoral preferences first on "enjoying reading their filter because it is srs" and second his read on them Reasons to think he's town: I got nuffin, but I do have... Reasons I'm not certain yet: he has like 2 posts and being a newbie his thinking about "is this relevant to whether they should be mayor or not" probably isn't expected to be entirely accurate whatever his alignment tl;dr I'm not certain he's scum but he's a reasonable guess P.S. will go meta him now re. Marv's statement On January 12 2014 11:35 Aquanim wrote:
All I see in justanothertownie's two-page filter is kinda pointless oneliners in which he commits to almost nothing. For all I know he's doing work in PMs, but based on his thread presence so far he's another possible scum for me.
On January 12 2014 19:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 19:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 19:05 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:So do you think this is unreasonable? This is about your reads post i talked about earlier: <VisceraEyes> I don't really like it - his problem with Obvious is something obvious, and his problem with justanothertownie is that he's acting like justanother townie. And he complains about lurkers.
<VisceraEyes> But what I really don't like about it is that he later asks me what I think of it...as if I should already be aware of his stance on justanothertownie, when he states quite literally that those reads are about as firm as his null read of someone else. Well. I gave my problems with Captain Obvious the thread space they deserved, which was about a sentence. It's not like I'm screaming for a policy lynch of him - just gave my opinion of him. And why shouldn't VE be aware of my stance on justanothertownie? The conclusion of my clash with JAT is literally on the same page as where I asked him that question. Is he not reading the thread or something? For that matter, why shouldn't I ask VE for his opinion on a read I'm pushing? I question the purpose of VE raising any of those points. Because you don't really have a stance. You call JAT out for not posting reads. Why is JAT a scumread when about 80% of the game has not posted a single read? JAT had clearly been present for a fair bit of the game but hadn't done anything which seemed like he was even interested in looking for scum. If PM evidence is presented which shows he was looking for scum in that way I will reconsider my read. If ya'll reckon that JAT not looking for scum is his standard town meta I will (disgustedly) move him to null. --note-- i don't believe aqua has followed up on this read at all On January 12 2014 21:34 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 21:23 marvellosity wrote:On January 12 2014 18:36 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 12 2014 18:22 Aquanim wrote:On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like:
"And then there's the eight or so other lurkers."
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"Of the active players I reckon at least most are town."
?? Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do. Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia? I think JAT is much more likely to be scum than town, for the reasons stated earlier - namely that he didn't seem to have any reads, even when I pushed him for it. I've seen the PMs Thrawn referenced here and I find JAT's reads there entirely unconvincing, just some lacklustre one-liners. Derrida moderately more likely to be scum than town, but that could change fast since his filter really doesn't have much to go on yet. And yes, I have a reason to think VE is mafia. There, see? Two of us can play that game. As a FYI, bugs kinda laid into jat in Quiet game for "having no reads" while he was alive, both in-game and post-game. Surprised you didn't notice this given you hosted it? Or take this into account at all into your read...? ##vote: marvellosity It would be an easy playstyle to replicate if he's scum. At worst, if he's town I have hopefully communicated to him that he should have reads and make them public to convince us all of his alignment. If he does that I am quite willing to be persuaded that I am incorrect in my present read, if that is in fact the case.
+ Show Spoiler [PMs] +"As for WoS, my read is like I said - gut says town, can't find any actual reads he's made so I'm having difficulty substantiating it, and I don't know him well enough to guess whether this raging is characteristic of his town or scum game. I've PMd him to see if he actually has reads he was too mad to post or not - starting with exactly why he thinks VE is town."
"Also, about Gumshoe: putting himself forward as a mayoral candidate put him in the spotlight some so it'd be a ballsy scum move but he's done absolutely nothing since. The following post is a pretty half-assed way to support a Xata lynch. How seriously are you considering him? I'm currently at "if he does nothing significant tomorrow he's a decent lynch"."
"I don't really know a whole lot about Koshi except that I think he's usually more active and more proactive than this. On that basis I'm leaning scum, but I think what this should really mean is "I should go talk to Koshi and find out what he's actually thinking"."
"well he's not posted since I talked about him in the thread. In short, there's nothing about him I find towny and have no objections to seeing him hang, but due to the sheer shortness of his filter there's not enough material for me to be certain. "
"My recollection of what I've seen from justanothertownie in the past is that this isn't *quite* unbelieveable as his towngame, I don't remember him ever having much in the way of strong/accurate/confident reads and pushing them.
Reading those PMs it certainly doesn't feel like he's put a great deal of effort into his reads, but I'm not 100% certain that makes him scum - I've long since ceased to be amazed at the failure of townies to put effort into games. He's certainly jumped up to the top of my scummy list though."
"Leaning scum on Rayn since he hasn't claimed that Mocsta is scum for the clusterf*** between the two of them. Blatant OMGUS is basically all Rayn does as town, isn't it? (based on BttB anyway)
Then again the sheer derpiness which Rayn is exhibiting is a towny indication generally from him. "Talking about reads in PMs is anti-town"... is he drunk or something? Basically I don't want to try to read Rayn because either way reading his posts will pain me.
Mocsta's trolly play is bizarre and not really typical of him, but I think I'll have a chat with him privately. Either he's scum and just trying to shit up the thread or he has some motivation for inciting Rayn, I could believe either. Or maybe he's drunk too.
Kush seems moderately towny but not really enough to judge yet. "
Town Aquanim from BttB
The differences should be pretty obvious. Aquanim is clearly player who as town (which he's always rolled previously) likes to put a lot of thought into his reads and effort into his posts. He's doing neither of those this game. His explanations for reads only go surface deep, and many of his reads follow the pattern of "maybe this, maybe that, and here's an out for my future self." He doesn't screw around like that as town. He thinks through a problem, and comes to a conclusion which he clearly states. I've been having trouble getting firm reads out of him for much of the game, and when he considers a person's alignment he only takes small portions of their play into account. This is not the thoughtful town Aquanim that I've played with.
I also want to mention that I've been in PM contact with him since 15:40 KST, roughly two hours ago and he has not posted in the thread during that time. I'm fairly sure that I noticed this happening earlier in the game. His thread presence is non-existent, but since that is the case with so many likely-townies because of PMs I'd like to hear if any of you have PM'd him enough to get a read on him.
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WaveofShadow can you please contact me on Skype? suchdogemlg420
My sent PMs do not refresh for at least a couple hours.
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Hmph. Well, most of my reads this game have had the addenum (spoken or not) of "this person might be playing in PMs instead" which introduces uncertainty - hence why I haven't been as confident in my reads in this game as I've been in the past. Also, simply by reason of there being so many more people to look at in a large game compared to a mini my effort per player has necessarily been less.
And as to why I haven't posted in the thread for two hours - I didn't have anything which I felt needed to be said. It's night-phase, what do you expect?
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On January 13 2014 18:21 Aquanim wrote:
Hmph. Well, most of my reads this game have had the addenum (spoken or not) of "this person might be playing in PMs instead" which introduces uncertainty - hence why I haven't been as confident in my reads in this game as I've been in the past. Also, simply by reason of there being so many more people to look at in a large game compared to a mini my effort per player has necessarily been less.
And as to why I haven't posted in the thread for two hours - I didn't have anything which I felt needed to be said. It's night-phase, what do you expect?
Can you get on Skype? I want to chat.
Make a new account if you have to please.
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nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me
Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know.
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Well thrawn was already townie but this makes him confirmed for me.
Over the past 24hrs he keeps being suspicious of u. Then allayed. Then suspicious.
That paranoia is too hard to fake.
Dr.h just pm Me asking me not to vig Ve cos "other" vig is all over him
Trololololol
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On January 13 2014 18:25 suchdoge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:21 Aquanim wrote:
Hmph. Well, most of my reads this game have had the addenum (spoken or not) of "this person might be playing in PMs instead" which introduces uncertainty - hence why I haven't been as confident in my reads in this game as I've been in the past. Also, simply by reason of there being so many more people to look at in a large game compared to a mini my effort per player has necessarily been less.
And as to why I haven't posted in the thread for two hours - I didn't have anything which I felt needed to be said. It's night-phase, what do you expect? Can you get on Skype? I want to chat. Make a new account if you have to please.
No, sorry. I could make a QT and send it to you though (not sure what the delays on you getting PMs are but I hope you get them eventually?).
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On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Show nested quote +Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know.
I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes.
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On January 13 2014 18:39 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:25 suchdoge wrote:On January 13 2014 18:21 Aquanim wrote:
Hmph. Well, most of my reads this game have had the addenum (spoken or not) of "this person might be playing in PMs instead" which introduces uncertainty - hence why I haven't been as confident in my reads in this game as I've been in the past. Also, simply by reason of there being so many more people to look at in a large game compared to a mini my effort per player has necessarily been less.
And as to why I haven't posted in the thread for two hours - I didn't have anything which I felt needed to be said. It's night-phase, what do you expect? Can you get on Skype? I want to chat. Make a new account if you have to please. No, sorry. I could make a QT and send it to you though (not sure what the delays on you getting PMs are but I hope you get them eventually?).
Fine I guess. I'll get the PM immediately. I just cannot send PMs.
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On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know. I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes.
ok
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On January 13 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know. I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. ok
Like would you explain this to me?
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Everyone in this game should claim to marv.
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On January 13 2014 18:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know. I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. ok Like would you explain this to me?
We've been talking all game and I've been very friendly in a "i'm town reading you" way, but I've gone back and forth from scum and town reading him without him knowing. All he knew up till I posted my case is that I was probably town reading him based on how I acted in PMs. Then suddenly I reveal my scumread to him and the thread, and he's still interested in talking to me even after he knows I strung him along in PMs. I don't think that as scum, his first reaction would be to immediately talk to the guy who just "betrayed" him.
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On January 13 2014 18:32 Mocsta wrote:
Well thrawn was already townie but this makes him confirmed for me.
Over the past 24hrs he keeps being suspicious of u. Then allayed. Then suspicious.
That paranoia is too hard to fake.
Dr.h just pm Me asking me not to vig Ve cos "other" vig is all over him
Trololololol
Isn't it better for town not to doubleshoot? ve is my top scumread too, I don't see what's funny.
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On January 13 2014 18:54 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:47 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know. I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. ok Like would you explain this to me? We've been talking all game and I've been very friendly in a "i'm town reading you" way, but I've gone back and forth from scum and town reading him without him knowing. All he knew up till I posted my case is that I was probably town reading him based on how I acted in PMs. Then suddenly I reveal my scumread to him and the thread, and he's still interested in talking to me even after he knows I strung him along in PMs. I don't think that as scum, his first reaction would be to immediately talk to the guy who just "betrayed" him.
Well if he was scum don't you think it would be his primary goal to convince you that your suspicion is wrong? By refusing to talk to you he certainly would not achieve that.
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On January 13 2014 18:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:32 Mocsta wrote:
Well thrawn was already townie but this makes him confirmed for me.
Over the past 24hrs he keeps being suspicious of u. Then allayed. Then suspicious.
That paranoia is too hard to fake.
Dr.h just pm Me asking me not to vig Ve cos "other" vig is all over him
Trololololol Isn't it better for town not to doubleshoot? ve is my top scumread too, I don't see what's funny.
lol
why would i be the vig.. im clearly trolling
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On January 13 2014 18:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:54 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2014 18:47 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know. I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. ok Like would you explain this to me? We've been talking all game and I've been very friendly in a "i'm town reading you" way, but I've gone back and forth from scum and town reading him without him knowing. All he knew up till I posted my case is that I was probably town reading him based on how I acted in PMs. Then suddenly I reveal my scumread to him and the thread, and he's still interested in talking to me even after he knows I strung him along in PMs. I don't think that as scum, his first reaction would be to immediately talk to the guy who just "betrayed" him. Well if he was scum don't you think it would be his primary goal to convince you that your suspicion is wrong? By refusing to talk to you he certainly would not achieve that.
Yes, that would be his goal. But I have to make a call, and my call is that that post was genuine. This part here:
"Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality)"
looks very much like a real thought process that actually occured in a town aqua's mind
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On January 13 2014 18:59 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2014 18:56 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:54 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2014 18:47 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 13 2014 18:40 justanothertownie wrote:On January 13 2014 18:31 thrawn2112 wrote:nvm about aqua... he just came pretty close to town-confirming himself to me Original Message From Aquanim:
Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality) so I'm still willing to talk to you - though the fact of the matter is I don't have anything more I want to ask you for now.
Just so's you know. I don't really get how this confirms him as town in your eyes. ok Like would you explain this to me? We've been talking all game and I've been very friendly in a "i'm town reading you" way, but I've gone back and forth from scum and town reading him without him knowing. All he knew up till I posted my case is that I was probably town reading him based on how I acted in PMs. Then suddenly I reveal my scumread to him and the thread, and he's still interested in talking to me even after he knows I strung him along in PMs. I don't think that as scum, his first reaction would be to immediately talk to the guy who just "betrayed" him. Well if he was scum don't you think it would be his primary goal to convince you that your suspicion is wrong? By refusing to talk to you he certainly would not achieve that. Yes, that would be his goal. But I have to make a call, and my call is that that post was genuine. This part here: "Well, I still think you're town (perhaps even more so now, that case felt about right as your town mentality)" looks very much like a real thought process that actually occured in a town aqua's mind
Ok... I actually thought your post about him made plenty of sense and I don't see how this pm can't be written by scum.
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The problem I have with Aquanim is he is suspicious to me (at times) in a "dont wear pants on head type of way"; nothing has struck me as promoting scum agenda.
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