EPT"And then there's the eight or so other lurkers."
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"Of the active players I reckon at least most are town."
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raynpelikoneet
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"And then there's the eight or so other lurkers." and "Of the active players I reckon at least most are town." ?? | ||
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Aquanim
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On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like: "And then there's the eight or so other lurkers." and "Of the active players I reckon at least most are town." ?? Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? | ||
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VisceraEyes
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On January 12 2014 17:32 yamato77 wrote: The sentiment is bad. What makes you mafia is your vote on Wave at a time when he had literally just explained at extreme length why he's not running. You're opting out of real discussion by doing this so late in the day. He didn't explain at great length why he's not running, he said "I'm not running because with DocH dropping out I don't think it's a good idea" which I don't understand. The "great length" part you're referring to is him explaining what his platform would be if he ran, or in other words, WHY HE WOULD RUN. I'm not opting out of real discussion at all, maybe you can explain that part to me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On January 12 2014 18:22 Aquanim wrote: Well for starters I'd appreciate it if you say where I "called people out for making general statements". I remember calling JAT out for "having no commitments regarding any reads at all in his entire filter" which is not at all the same thing. Also, everybody makes some general statements, including me. I've also made some not-general statements. What exactly is your point? I also can't help but notice that you haven't really answered my question. Would you care to correct that? Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do. Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia? | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 12 2014 17:55 thrawn2112 wrote: attention thread please raise your hand if you have been in contact with suchdoge, and specify which of you initiated the conversation. special points go to anyone that can tell me anything about his reads. if he has revealed his identity i'd like to hear it, you should pm me or wos or rayn if he's revealed it to you <hand remainds unraised> I'm finally back so will get to start answering questions soon. I am very firm on whom i want lynched this cycle. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 12 2014 18:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is interesting context behind that statement.I do, do you have any reason for calling people out for making general statements and then following it up with statements like: "And then there's the eight or so other lurkers." and "Of the active players I reckon at least most are town." ?? I believe it originates from a PM convo I shared with Aquanim. <b>Aquanim[/b] Feel free to cut in first. | ||
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Aquanim
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On January 12 2014 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Interesting. I don't see a single clear read from you in thread. If there is some, could you point me out to one? All i see you say about other people is "they might be town or scum". And yes i answered your question. You asked me if i have a reason to think VE is town and i said i do. Do you have a reason to think VE is mafia? I think JAT is much more likely to be scum than town, for the reasons stated earlier - namely that he didn't seem to have any reads, even when I pushed him for it. I've seen the PMs Thrawn referenced here and I find JAT's reads there entirely unconvincing, just some lacklustre one-liners. Derrida moderately more likely to be scum than town, but that could change fast since his filter really doesn't have much to go on yet. And yes, I have a reason to think VE is mafia. There, see? Two of us can play that game. | ||
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Aquanim
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On January 12 2014 18:35 Mocsta wrote: There is interesting context behind that statement. I believe it originates from a PM convo I shared with Aquanim. Aquanim Feel free to cut in first. Actually, that PM conversation was after I posted that in the thread I think. Post our PMs if you like but I hardly see the need, they're not really relevant to the issue at hand here I don't think. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I am going to go re-read JAT because from what i remember your statement does not hold water, and taking JAT's meta into account this looks like just about his townplay. What do you think of Xatalos btw? | ||
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Mocsta
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In general: do you think drunk people would *NOT* post if they are scum? | ||
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Aquanim
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On January 12 2014 18:41 Mocsta wrote: Aquanim In general: do you think drunk people would *NOT* post if they are scum? I haven't the foggiest idea. I don't imbibe enough myself to have much experience with that state. On January 12 2014 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: So how about you share the read on VE in thread so we can discuss it? You know, it's highly likely one of or yamato is going to be mayor and it would help we get information about who is mafia in your opinion, because apparently it seems like in your opinion i am on the wrong track. I am going to go re-read JAT because from what i remember your statement does not hold water, and taking JAT's meta into account this looks like just about his townplay. What do you think of Xatalos btw? In short, VE's being bloody cagey when I ask him questions, verging on being deliberately obtuse. On January 12 2014 14:12 Aquanim wrote: I guess that's possible. Do you have an opinion regarding my suspicions of justanothertownie? Asked him this question in thread, got no answer so I took it to PMs. Original Message From VisceraEyes: I'll do so eventually - you didn't ask me to explain my reads, you simply asked if they existed. And they do. Last time I played with VE town, he engaged with the thread a lot, wasn't afraid to answer questions and was so obvtown he was elected mayor. This game is giving me none of those feelings. Maybe he's just distracted and for whatever reason doesn't think I'm "worthy" of a straight answer, but I'm running out of plausible town explanations. I don't know a whole lot about JAT's town meta except to know he's not Hapa or anything. I'm always willing to debate my reads, and if you make a convincing argument why I'm wrong I can accept that. Xatalos raised some nitpicking stuff early on which I'd scumread him for in a normal game but given most of the real work here is probably happening in PMs it's plausible that what he found was all he could find in the thread to talk about. I sent him a PM a while back but I think he's asleep. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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<VisceraEyes> I don't really like it - his problem with Obvious is something obvious, and his problem with justanothertownie is that he's acting like justanother townie. And he complains about lurkers. <VisceraEyes> But what I really don't like about it is that he later asks me what I think of it...as if I should already be aware of his stance on justanothertownie, when he states quite literally that those reads are about as firm as his null read of someone else. | ||
yamato77
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raynpelikoneet
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On January 12 2014 19:00 yamato77 wrote: Since I won't be here after this point, I feel confident placing the lynch in Rayn's hands. Could you PM / post your top scumreads and reasoning before you go please? | ||
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Aquanim
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On January 12 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: So do you think this is unreasonable? This is about your reads post i talked about earlier: Well. I gave my problems with Captain Obvious the thread space they deserved, which was about a sentence. It's not like I'm screaming for a policy lynch of him - just gave my opinion of him. And why shouldn't VE be aware of my stance on justanothertownie? The conclusion of my clash with JAT is literally on the same page as where I asked him that question. Is he not reading the thread or something? For that matter, why shouldn't I ask VE for his opinion on a read I'm pushing? I question the purpose of VE raising any of those points. | ||
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Mocsta
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- PMs shared with half the thread - Indepth live convos with Rayn + Marv I have a strong town read on about 5 players and a weak town read on about 5 players. Names are not necessary. I have about 5 players in the null territory. The remaining have either not posted based on IRL committments; or I think are scummy to varying degree. Below are my top 2 scum reads (1) Derrida (2)Bumatlarge Reasoning Derrida
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Original Message From bumatlarge: You rang? Reading the thread. Original Message From Mocsta: Coolies Do u think as jax I should stay at top? Any thoughts in the mayor? Original Message From bumatlarge: Probs wave, pretty certain hes town by the way he entered the race. I don't think BH as mayor, but a mason would be a provable town, and we already have two of them. It would be pretty awful of both hopeful and BH to claim that as scum when they aren't in a strong position to win the race. Original Message From Mocsta: Who do u think wave should lynch. I could swing his way Original Message From bumatlarge: Sry drunk PMs I find this type of behaviour to be synonymous with mafia. (1) Clearly Bum is up to date with the thread (he is aware of the masons afterall), and is choosing to be of no-value in thread (which perhaps its is fine, maybe he likes to be influential on the PM side) (2) However, this clearly isn't the case. In PM Land once asked to put his cock on the block; Bum plays the "sry i shouldnt have been talking to you because I was drunk" card. I want either of these 2 people lynched tomorrow. | ||
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Mocsta
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Aquanim asked me for my position on JAT. "i am stil null on JAT. Its correct he has not elucidated on a scum read <-- but that is normal for him. I dont like his position on focusing on a mayor; because, I dont think his filter aligns with that. He is commenting on some random stuff here and there and does not seem to be probing the mayors (in thread at least). This is where it becomes difficult. I think he is probably town if cotnacting potential mayor candidates in PM." I am posting this, because i would like to confirm if he has contacted potential mayor cnadidates. I am only aware of discourse shared with Thrawn. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On January 12 2014 19:05 Aquanim wrote: Well. I gave my problems with Captain Obvious the thread space they deserved, which was about a sentence. It's not like I'm screaming for a policy lynch of him - just gave my opinion of him. And why shouldn't VE be aware of my stance on justanothertownie? The conclusion of my clash with JAT is literally on the same page as where I asked him that question. Is he not reading the thread or something? For that matter, why shouldn't I ask VE for his opinion on a read I'm pushing? I question the purpose of VE raising any of those points. Because you don't really have a stance. You call JAT out for not posting reads. Why is JAT a scumread when about 80% of the game has not posted a single read? | ||
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