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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 12 2013 21:19 GMT
#1661
Can the vig claim?
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 21:19 GMT
#1662
I'll have to rethink some things since Corazon is Vigi.

Artanis is scummy on his own merits though. I guess he just buddied with Corazon and wasn't scum together with him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
December 12 2013 21:20 GMT
#1663
Wow Vayne. Can you be any more of a dick?
Grubby's #1 Fan
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 21:20 GMT
#1664
On December 13 2013 06:19 LSB wrote:
Can the vig claim?

Can you read?
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
December 12 2013 21:21 GMT
#1665
On December 13 2013 06:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
the tunnel continues. down syndrome tends to have that affect
You do realize that Downs Syndrome is an affliction that affects real people. Maybe you should consider the possibility that some of the people reading this has friends or family that are affected by it before you starting throwing it around as a insult. Don't be so ignorant.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 12 2013 21:21 GMT
#1666
On December 13 2013 06:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 06:19 LSB wrote:
Can the vig claim?

Can you read?

Oh I see
Well that solves the Corazon issue.
##Vote: Sidesprang
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#1667
On December 13 2013 06:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 06:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
the tunnel continues. down syndrome tends to have that affect
You do realize that Downs Syndrome is an affliction that affects real people. Maybe you should consider the possibility that some of the people reading this has friends or family that are affected by it before you starting throwing it around as a insult. Don't be so ignorant.


maybe you should realize how retarded you sound
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#1668
you literally couldn't have shittier reasons for why I am scum
I come in for the scraps
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 21:26 GMT
#1669
On December 13 2013 06:24 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 06:21 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On December 13 2013 06:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
the tunnel continues. down syndrome tends to have that affect
You do realize that Downs Syndrome is an affliction that affects real people. Maybe you should consider the possibility that some of the people reading this has friends or family that are affected by it before you starting throwing it around as a insult. Don't be so ignorant.


maybe you should realize how retarded you sound

If you keep this attitude up I'd be up for policy lynching you. The fact that you have a decent chance of flipping scum is a bonus. Show some fucking respect.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 12 2013 21:27 GMT
#1670
then policy lynch me as I said I don't care. This town is garbage anyway
I come in for the scraps
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 21:28 GMT
#1671
I'll happily indulge you.
##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 21:29 GMT
#1672
...............
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 21:34 GMT
#1673
I do have to agree on the point that it's not right to insult mentally ill, but it's hardly grounds for a policy lynch.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 12 2013 21:36 GMT
#1674
On December 13 2013 06:21 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 06:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 13 2013 06:19 LSB wrote:
Can the vig claim?

Can you read?

Oh I see
Well that solves the Corazon issue.
##Vote: Sidesprang


Do you have anything else in your mind besides tunneling sidesprang?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
xigxag
Profile Joined April 2013
Venezuela39 Posts
December 12 2013 21:37 GMT
#1675
VayneAuthority

On December 10 2013 09:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
I would rather enjoy myself and lose then not enjoy it, hence why I am voting you alakaslam, scum or not. I do not care about lynching scum if im not having fun in the first place, that comes first.


The above post reads as a scum attempt to create a mislynch which will not reflect back onto that scum.

On December 10 2013 11:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
what word did you mean to write?

and yea the first thing I thought of while reading that sidesprang post is "lol going to keep an eye on him after I get rid of the less desirables"


This posts sets up a follow up lynch on a weak player. I do not believe that an experienced mafia player would assume that all the scum are weak and therefore would not only attack weak players. A scum however can lynch only weak players and shoot the strong ones.

On December 10 2013 12:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
I think 3 of the 4 scum has posted, one is still lurking

I am putting this post in not because I think it shows town or scum mindset but because I have no idea what it means or why it was posted. If anyone Vayne or otherwise, can explain it to me I'd be happy with that.

Onto the thing which first caught my attention from Vayne, my interactions with him where he sent me on a wild goose case into a filter which he followed up by totally disregarding Kush's play from the filter he sent me to read.
On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum

On December 10 2013 16:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 16:03 xigxag wrote:
On December 10 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
not to mention that in TL Noire before kush got replaced out he was playing this lurky playstyle thing and his slot was scum


Like these high quality posts which were all attempts at looking like he was doing something. And not at all similar to how he has been posting this game?

On September 21 2013 11:35 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck it makes me really mad when people policy vote me! like it makes me want to troll just to spite them.


On September 21 2013 12:39 kushm4sta wrote:
On September 21 2013 12:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 21 2013 12:28 kushm4sta wrote:
um by scumhunting as a team you mean having a conversation between the two of you that no one else wants to read? if so please dont

Just make the meta case and stfu before you do so.


how the fuck do i make a case on someone when it's like an hour into the game??


On September 22 2013 11:29 kushm4sta wrote:
also when is the lynch



Noire was before ##. In Noire he was still angry. During the course of the ## game he took a step back and posts much more docile now.


On December 10 2013 16:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will clarify the ## thing, as it's a case of timeline

Noire was played, kush did his thing etc

## was played after it, which is the game that kush decided to stop posting angrily and take it easy

So that is why comparing his playstyle to pre- ## and post ## is not a good idea atm


This explanation rings false. I looked into ## mafia and Kush played there as a smurf. Of course he was playing differently than the usual way that he plays. Ins't that the purpose of playing as a smurf? To disregard the meta that Vayne himself brought up suggests to me that Vayne is scum and Kush is town. I defended Kush, an easy mislynch, for little to no reason which Vayne could understand so he assumed it would be easy to discredit my town read and did so with the use of meta. Vayne's meta use which he did not believe in can not come form a townie. A town player uses meta to substantiate reads, not justify them.

At this point I hope you can see why I believe that Vayne is scum. He is pushing weak or non-existent reads to lynch trolly players who are. statistically speaking, probably town. He is discrediting town reads on those players with meta he does not believe is valid. He is trying to justify lynches not find scum.

Vayne uses his focus on Alak to ignore all other people in the game. He does not submit opinions on anyone but the two easily lynchable trolls. And his opinion on BOTH is scum. Vayne is pushing for lynches, but not scum lynches. He is attacking two players who will not go away for a while, will never be nightkilled and who, if they flip town, he can simply say "woops, they looked scummy" without commenting on anything else in the game.

On December 12 2013 02:39 VayneAuthority wrote:
it's not ridiculous at all if you consider how I play mafia. I KILL these kind of players at night because I find it more enjoyable to play with people that can actually scumhunt and try to trick them. Between that and my blue kill sniping I don't see how it is farfetch'd at all.

Based on my reading of ## this is supported. And Holyflare flipped doc. Not much of a point but a bit of one.

Even when Vayne finally reads someone besides Alak it is Spag, based on Alak,
On December 12 2013 02:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 12 2013 02:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I have one goal today and one goal only. If you think I would help town get rid of alakaslam as scum I can't help you.

That's actually quite an interesting comment Vayne.
What you very well know is that even if Slam doesn't get lynched he will most likely get shot on N1. Why would you not help get rid of him as scum, regardless of his alignment?


On December 11 2013 13:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
Considering the decent resistance in this game at the day 1 stage I would say there is actually a decent chance for him to flip scum combined with the points I have already made. There is quite a group of people that have pretty much ignored him altogether, which is what I usually do. I would like a better reason on why we shouldn't lynch him besides "lol vigi" because we all know nobody uses their vig shots like that; they always end up being hero vig shots.


I've already pretty much answered all of this

In this game the thread sentiment actually suggests vigi's WILL shoot useless people. Let's consider a scenario where you are scum.

If Slam is scum you:
1) can reasonably assume a vigi will shoot him on N1 anyways so
2) when you lynch him instead you gain towncredit
3) even if you don't succeed, you gain town credit when he flips red
4) you don't need to contribute anything useful

If Slam is town you:
1) can't be held responsible for anything scummy because it's a pro-town thing to suggest a policy lynch on him anyways
2) you don't need to contribute anything useful

So, why again is it unreasonable to assume you would vouch for his lynch as mafia?


because I would never, ever help town get rid of somebody so detrimental to town. He adds another scumplayer to my team, why would I want to get rid of him ever? I could just sheep you on spag or something dumb like that. I know exactly what it looks like.

Fair enough, just wanted to be sure what you meant.
Are you suggesting Spaghetticus is town?


Yea he was one of the first to want to lynch Slam so I have him as town until further notice.

this read is suggestive in that it was correct and based on an astoundingly lacking reasoning. Even if Vayne was town and beliieved that all townies should want to lynch Alak day one why should he assume that Spag was a player good enough to recognize that? Why shouldn't Spag be scum looking to secure a decent mislynch. Vayne knows that no one/not many people play like him and Spag has never been the same as him in the past so why should Spag be town read for this? He shouldn't, and yet he is town read. Vayne is scum.

On December 13 2013 06:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
that's what I was trying to figure out. it doesn't specify what the zerg uses so he may have been shot by the vig and mafia since we have no roleblocker.


!!!!!!

We have/had a doc. But Vayne Knows that Holy was shot by scum. The only reason to assume that is because you know where the scum shot went. Vayne is scum.
There is no turning back.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 21:37 GMT
#1676
On December 13 2013 06:34 Xatalos wrote:
I do have to agree on the point that it's not right to insult mentally ill, but it's hardly grounds for a policy lynch.

I've got plenty of friends that are mentally ill. It's pretty equal to discriminating on sexual orientation and all that. Worst part of it is that he's unwilling to apologize over it. Fuck that attitude.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 12 2013 21:38 GMT
#1677
I take care of the mentally ill for my profession so fuck off with your reightous bullshit.
I come in for the scraps
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 12 2013 21:40 GMT
#1678
if you are going to use morals or whatever you want to call it as an excuse to avoid playing the game, great. Don't try to make me feel bad when you don't know shit about me kid.
I come in for the scraps
xigxag
Profile Joined April 2013
Venezuela39 Posts
December 12 2013 21:41 GMT
#1679
My read on Coag-sama:

On December 12 2013 15:18 Coagulation wrote:
[image loading]


based on the meta displayed in the ongoing PYP game which was the first scum game I could find of his this seems to be true.

so far since I began my reread:
Vayne
Coag

more to follow
There is no turning back.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
December 12 2013 21:42 GMT
#1680
Also as Xigxag and JarJar indicates he has too much knowledge.

Just one point: It was a town vigi that shot HF, not scum. It could be that he was doublestacked, but we don't know that. Makes sense if it's Vayne though because he 'knows' that HF got doublestacked.
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