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On December 10 2013 20:14 kushm4sta wrote:smurfread on plutarchHe is definitely not marv. from pregame: marv's taste in music is not this dumb. And if it was he wouldn't advertise it.
Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 06:07 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 06:02 Corazon wrote:
I just want to let you all know that I have some English work to do in the next two days so don't expect me to be super-active....
....If you are town and you are lurking, expect to be under the gun during the game and expect me to not be very nice to you post-game. I will be weighing activity a lot heavier in my voting decision this game than I have in the past. You all are warned. If you are going to take a sieste the entire time and not participate, I am going to be on you until you do so.
That is all. I see some dissonance between your first point and your second. Why would you be so inclined towards policy on low activity players when you have just acknowledged that people can be town and not be active? Perhaps as you say you only require town to be active and you are, in fact, scum? Marv would never write a sentence as useless as this last one. Plutarch is some newish player tryharding. Could be koshi.
I was actually pretending to be blazinghand by posting that.
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On December 10 2013 20:20 kushm4sta wrote:
@rayn i dont remember what game dessert was. I actually better remember xatalos' meta from a game i played with him several months ago when I first started playing mafia. He posted as little as possible without looking like a lurker.
If his meta has changed as you suggest, that I take back my townread of him.
I was talking about this very game! That I didn't play in.
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On December 10 2013 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 20:44 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 20:20 kushm4sta wrote:
@rayn i dont remember what game dessert was. I actually better remember xatalos' meta from a game i played with him several months ago when I first started playing mafia. He posted as little as possible without looking like a lurker.
If his meta has changed as you suggest, that I take back my townread of him. I was talking about this very game! That I didn't play in. Interesting. In case you are not lying about the game you are talking about how do you explain your use of words [u]in my experience when it cannot possibly be "in your experience"? [/i]
I read the whole game several times as it was happening. Seems like experience to me.
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Err maybe we are not talking about the same game then. I was talking about a much older game. Too old to use as solid meta that is for sure.
I didn't look at other games at all. I just said something that I remembered about xatalos as scum. I didn't realize the game was 18 months old when I said it. So you should disregard that statement obviously.
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I don't think Xatalos is scummy regardless.
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On December 10 2013 20:53 kushm4sta wrote:
either debears or obzy then.
if it's debears then<3 i love you debears.
Wrong FYI.
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Spag who do you think is scummy? Do you have any town reads? You haven't really contributed much at all.
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On December 10 2013 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
Oh! it's VE. That was boring :S
last time I will do this but wrong.
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On December 10 2013 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 20:57 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So when you are talking about Xatalos' scum meta why do you not look at games that are close to this one in terms of size? And games that are most recent (hint: Dessert)?
Kush and Plutarch does either one of you have anything to say about my post on Xatalos? I'm not so sure they match up. In the ones that you linked they are all fluff and undecided. In this game he's discussing things and although is undecided I don't get the same feeling of style from it. I am more interested why a skilled player like Plutarch makes a half-arsed meta read on him. That's quite inexcusible, given that i think the nature of the posts is in fact quite similar. In both of the games Xatalos calls kushmasta anti-town but not necessarily scum. He calls people out and then says "but while this could be scummy it also could be not". He does not reach into any conclusions while prodding left and right. This early on in the game i would agree it does not necessarily make him scum - as i said, but what bothers me is how certain people defend him based on false/bad evidence.
It isn't false or bad evidence. I just had an idea in my mind about how Xatalos played scum and obviously that is outdated. I didn't submit that comment as solid proof. I said 'from what I can remember'. When someone states something with a precursor such as that take it with a grain of salt. You did. And I am grateful for it as my understanding of his meta has now improved.
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Apparently I said 'in my experience' my bad. Rayn is right to question this meta read.
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On December 10 2013 21:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion. He also said this 
Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about.
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On December 10 2013 21:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 21:14 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 21:12 Grackaroni wrote:On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion. He also said this Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about. Yeah that was to HF. Who would say that after obsing Dessert Mini. Way more likely you were a player and lied then that you obsed a game from over a year ago and feel you have a good grasp of Xatalos' scum play.
To be honest games tend to blend together and unless you make a real effort to refresh your memory (i didn't) you make mistakes. I made a mistake. The simple truth is that I just didn't realize it had been that long.
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On December 10 2013 21:23 kushm4sta wrote:
LAST ONE! plutarch are you thrawn?
the mystery of your identity is clearly distracting and antitown .
I thought you liked being right? Never thought I would see the day you were wrong this many times in a single cycle.
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By the way that was the last one. This is definitely not productive.
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On December 10 2013 21:27 Spaghetticus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay let's drop this since it's not leading into anything that can certainly be judged into a way or another (unless someone disagrees).
Grackaroni and Xatalos comments on my case on purple?
Spaghetticus i second Plutarch. In LXIII you were quite clearly town from your posting on D1. I don't see even a shoadow from that towninees here. What are you doing? I haven't got traction yet. In that game VE was so clearly not town it physically hurt me to see him elected. I'm still in a bit of a fugue tbh. This isn't why I've scaled back, but it also doesn't help my motives that I was NKed early that game. I've got plenty of time though, so I don't think my weak start will be an issue.
This seems like nonsense to me. Many things have happened in this game on which you can comment. I don't care what happened in your previous game. Time to step up and do something.
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On December 10 2013 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:
you never shut my guess down...
If I played in dessert why would I be using an older game as meta? You guys....
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On December 10 2013 21:33 Spaghetticus wrote:
I was specifically asked the difference between this game and last. No need to go out of your way to be dismissive.
You were asked the difference between this game and last. Not why your last game is causing you to be useless this game.
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On December 10 2013 21:41 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 21:32 Plutarch wrote:On December 10 2013 21:29 Grackaroni wrote:
you never shut my guess down... If I played in dessert why would I be using an older game as meta? You guys.... Because they all blend together in your mind! There really aren't many people out there who pretend to be Blazinghand lol.
Blazing hand posts that clip a lot I thought it would be an obvious joke.
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On December 10 2013 21:46 Spaghetticus wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 10 2013 21:37 Holyflare wrote:
As for spag:
Lack of sleep evolved into fugue.
Spag I killed you last game because we were blue sniping, the reason was that you were posting in a townie style but NOT ENOUGH content to appear too towny. If you want to change your game, now is the time to do it but don't scale back you need to go balls to the wall town play. Weak starts are always always always an issue. We don't know your alignment and your start suggests that you aren't doing anything to persuade us in the positive direction in general. All I've seen is your posts on Slam and that's pretty much it.
You told us you didn't like our posts trying to find out whose smurfing, yet, you provided no alternate direction for us to garner our attention. Why was that?
You say you have plenty of time but why is that? You have no content and you could be a real contender for a lynch. I was pretty town bro. But it's a non-issue, I stated that wasn't the real reason I'm performing less well. I've been looking, but nothing has come up strongly. You pressuring me won't change that. I didn't need to provide an alternate direction, there are already several trains of thought running. I wanted to shut this one down quickly so I did. I say I have plenty of time? Yes, yes I do. I don't understand the question.
Well you are a reasonable lynch candidate so I wouldn't get too comfortable if you continue to do nothing.
But this is pointless really. Either spag starts doing things or we start thinking about lynching him.
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On December 10 2013 21:50 Holyflare wrote:
The point is there are several trains of thought currently going but you are pretty much participating in none of them, yet, you expect that it will be fine for us to wait for you to step it up and demonstrate that you are actually town rather than a person whose only contribution so far is to hate on Slam's posts.
To be fair slam's posts are terrible. Though it would be pretty simple for scum to just shut down the easy targets. That is why I am worried a bit. he has gone after Slam who is shit posting and Xigxag who is new. Those are pretty easy targets.
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