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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 12:09 GMT
#601
I have come to the conclusion that Plutarch is WBG.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 10 2013 12:10 GMT
#602
@rayne i looked at dessert and it looks like xatalos is acting almost opposite of that.
As scum in dessert his early game was giving reluctant townreads based on blatant antitowniness.

This game he wants to lynch me for antitowniness.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 10 2013 12:11 GMT
#603
On December 10 2013 21:09 Grackaroni wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that Plutarch is WBG.


he said he wasn't playing though!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 10 2013 12:11 GMT
#604
On December 10 2013 21:10 kushm4sta wrote:
@rayne i looked at dessert and it looks like xatalos is acting almost opposite of that.
As scum in dessert his early game was giving reluctant townreads based on blatant antitowniness.

This game he wants to lynch me for antitowniness.

Actually unless i ahve misunderstood something he doesn't.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 10 2013 12:12 GMT
#605
On December 10 2013 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:10 kushm4sta wrote:
@rayne i looked at dessert and it looks like xatalos is acting almost opposite of that.
As scum in dessert his early game was giving reluctant townreads based on blatant antitowniness.

This game he wants to lynch me for antitowniness.

Actually unless i ahve misunderstood something he doesn't.


Well, it's either lynch or shoot. Either one works for me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
December 10 2013 12:12 GMT
#606
On December 10 2013 08:42 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 08:30 kushm4sta wrote:
ya like i said im lurk strating. have no opinions on anything so dont even bother to ask.


Alright then. If it's going to be like this, I don't want you alive at LYLO. Start doing something or die.

##Vote kushm4sta

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 12:12 GMT
#607
On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.

He also said this
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 10 2013 12:13 GMT
#608
On December 10 2013 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 20:57 Holyflare wrote:
On December 10 2013 20:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So when you are talking about Xatalos' scum meta why do you not look at games that are close to this one in terms of size? And games that are most recent (hint: Dessert)?

Kush and Plutarch does either one of you have anything to say about my post on Xatalos?


I'm not so sure they match up. In the ones that you linked they are all fluff and undecided. In this game he's discussing things and although is undecided I don't get the same feeling of style from it.

I am more interested why a skilled player like Plutarch makes a half-arsed meta read on him. That's quite inexcusible, given that i think the nature of the posts is in fact quite similar.

In both of the games Xatalos calls kushmasta anti-town but not necessarily scum. He calls people out and then says "but while this could be scummy it also could be not". He does not reach into any conclusions while prodding left and right. This early on in the game i would agree it does not necessarily make him scum - as i said, but what bothers me is how certain people defend him based on false/bad evidence.


It isn't false or bad evidence. I just had an idea in my mind about how Xatalos played scum and obviously that is outdated. I didn't submit that comment as solid proof. I said 'from what I can remember'. When someone states something with a precursor such as that take it with a grain of salt. You did. And I am grateful for it as my understanding of his meta has now improved.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 10 2013 12:14 GMT
#609
Apparently I said 'in my experience' my bad. Rayn is right to question this meta read.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 10 2013 12:14 GMT
#610
@rayne
maybe not atm he doens't want to lynch me, but he did pressure me. in dessert there was no pressure.

here he is very aggressive and he changes his vote early and often. in dessert he doesn't.

OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 10 2013 12:14 GMT
#611
On December 10 2013 21:12 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.

He also said this


Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Spaghetticus
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia451 Posts
December 10 2013 12:16 GMT
#612
On December 10 2013 21:05 Plutarch wrote:
Spag who do you think is scummy? Do you have any town reads? You haven't really contributed much at all.


So far I've got a town on you, and a town on HF (despite him partaking in the search for your identity, which hurt him).

My two biggest reds atm are Corazon and XigXag, though I need to review their filter.

I've got no profound insight yet. Generally I'm clueless for awhile until I come across true scumsign, then go balls deep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 10 2013 12:18 GMT
#613
Okay let's drop this since it's not leading into anything that can certainly be judged into a way or another (unless someone disagrees).

Grackaroni and Xatalos comments on my case on purple?
Spaghetticus i second Plutarch. In LXIII you were quite clearly town from your posting on D1. I don't see even a shoadow from that towninees here. What are you doing?
table for two on a tv tray
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 12:18 GMT
#614
On December 10 2013 21:14 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:12 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.

He also said this


Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about.

Yeah that was to HF. Who would say that after obsing Dessert Mini. Way more likely you were a player and lied then that you obsed a game from over a year ago and feel you have a good grasp of Xatalos' scum play.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 12:21 GMT
#615
Purple case is weak. You pretty much just made a case to show that he's clueless and all I had to do was look at his original accusation to find that out.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 10 2013 12:21 GMT
#616
On December 10 2013 13:12 purpletrator wrote:
@xata
My initial read of LSB was that he was scum for throwing a shitty vote down and only following up when rayn pointed it out. He said how he never noticed my offer to reveal my identity, which I didnt think was townie mentality. If he'd seen it and just ignored it, then sure whatever hes just trolling. But to neglect to read the guy your voting, when his post was literally 1 above yours? That seemed messed up to me. On reading his PYP filter he does similar things where he misses key points in peoples posts. I dont want to go into detail because that game is ongoing.


Hmmm. Really... It's pretty weak to accuse someone of being scum and backtracking like that for no clear reason. Meta is meta, but what do you think of him in this game? Or other players for that matter?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 10 2013 12:23 GMT
#617
LAST ONE! plutarch are you thrawn?
the mystery of your identity is clearly distracting and antitown .
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 10 2013 12:24 GMT
#618
On December 10 2013 21:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:14 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:12 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.

He also said this


Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about.

Yeah that was to HF. Who would say that after obsing Dessert Mini. Way more likely you were a player and lied then that you obsed a game from over a year ago and feel you have a good grasp of Xatalos' scum play.


To be honest games tend to blend together and unless you make a real effort to refresh your memory (i didn't) you make mistakes. I made a mistake. The simple truth is that I just didn't realize it had been that long.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
December 10 2013 12:26 GMT
#619
On December 10 2013 21:24 Plutarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2013 21:18 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:14 Plutarch wrote:
On December 10 2013 21:12 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 10 2013 12:39 Plutarch wrote:
I am not convinced by this push on Xatalos. In my experience he is more likely to take a back seat as scum than to jump around driving discussion.

He also said this


Pretty sure that is what everyone has been talking about.

Yeah that was to HF. Who would say that after obsing Dessert Mini. Way more likely you were a player and lied then that you obsed a game from over a year ago and feel you have a good grasp of Xatalos' scum play.


To be honest games tend to blend together and unless you make a real effort to refresh your memory (i didn't) you make mistakes. I made a mistake. The simple truth is that I just didn't realize it had been that long.

yeah I don't care about that lol. This was just me arguing with HF that you are probably lying about having not played in the game to keep your identity hidden.
Plutarch
Profile Joined December 2013
Greece515 Posts
December 10 2013 12:27 GMT
#620
On December 10 2013 21:23 kushm4sta wrote:
LAST ONE! plutarch are you thrawn?
the mystery of your identity is clearly distracting and antitown .


I thought you liked being right? Never thought I would see the day you were wrong this many times in a single cycle.
To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
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