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On December 10 2013 22:01 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 21:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2013 21:55 Plutarch wrote:
Is it wrong to be paranoid about scum rayne right now? I'm not seeing any crazy omgyouarescumrightnownothingcanchangemymind mentality, so it's always a possibility. Rayn.. why are you so agreeable in this game?? This. Also he isn't spamming or getting drunk. Like clearly nothing he has posted is scummy at all and he is contributing and all that. That is why it is paranoia. It is unjustified fear of rayn being scum right now.,
Then why mention it? Is his play normally the inverse of his actual alignment? I just dove his filter and other that speculating as to your identity I find him quite townish (same as HF).
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On December 10 2013 14:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 08:32 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am not shifting my vote until slam does something useful to make up for his spam. I'm giving him until 6pm my time (7.5 hours from now) to do so or my vote is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards.
Pressure? yes.
Policy? yes.
Serious? yes. Very scummy post. You're actually saying that you may sit on your vote regardless of what happens in the thread? Basically giving yourself an built-in excuse to make your vote not matter (and unable to be analyzed) if slam isn't one of the leading wagons?
Have you any more thoughts on me now?
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Grack it's pretty obvious your vote isn't going to stick. Make a real case or move on.
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@Kush
Could you give insight into why you think the following people are green:
- Spaghetticus
- Xatalos
- Corazon
- Purpletrator
I'm on the list because while I know my alignment, it seems fairly unanimous that I've done little to demonstrate it.
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I don't think the perspective from which he speaks is particularly relevant. It's the same either way.
In fact I'd say it's better this way since it puts on more pressure, where as when you talk about them in the third person you're allowing them to ignore you.
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On December 11 2013 00:12 Xatalos wrote:Your scumreads are still XigXag and Corazon? Anything new?
Other than thinking slam scum, and Reyn town, not really. A few more slight scum reads but nothing worth mentioning.
I'm up to p.26 of my reread.
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On December 11 2013 00:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 14:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 10 2013 08:32 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am not shifting my vote until slam does something useful to make up for his spam. I'm giving him until 6pm my time (7.5 hours from now) to do so or my vote is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards.
Pressure? yes.
Policy? yes.
Serious? yes. Very scummy post. You're actually saying that you may sit on your vote regardless of what happens in the thread? Basically giving yourself an built-in excuse to make your vote not matter (and unable to be analyzed) if slam isn't one of the leading wagons? So never got an answer to this Spag. And how come when you finally came back to the thread, you totally ignore slam? Did you find his posts in that time to be usefull?
Yes I did, but not by way of explanation.
On December 10 2013 22:41 Spaghetticus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2013 14:05 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 10 2013 08:32 Spaghetticus wrote:
I am not shifting my vote until slam does something useful to make up for his spam. I'm giving him until 6pm my time (7.5 hours from now) to do so or my vote is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards.
Pressure? yes.
Policy? yes.
Serious? yes. Very scummy post. You're actually saying that you may sit on your vote regardless of what happens in the thread? Basically giving yourself an built-in excuse to make your vote not matter (and unable to be analyzed) if slam isn't one of the leading wagons? Have you any more thoughts on me now?
I explicitly stated I was going to ignore slam. He makes me furious. He's stopped spamming, but hasn't really done much. Once he's a contributing member I'll reconsider. My vote is already locked in, it's up to him now to make sure other votes don't fall the same way. So far I don't think he's doing a great job.
Why do you think it more scummy that I would policy vote scummy play, than someone effortfully attempting to break the too scummy to be scum barrier?
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On December 11 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Spaghetticus why do you want to waste your vote instead of just agreeing vigi should shoot Slam unless he starts playing the game?
Don't you think this way you effectively refrain from contributing towards any lynch and therefore towards scumhunting? Do you think this is townie? Because to me you are as useless as Slam atm..
It's regrettable. How big of an issue is this though?
I'm not as useless as slam. You're exaggerating. The fact that I'm pressuring slam makes me more useful than slam.
I never said that me parking my vote on Slam would stop me scumhunting. That I haven't turned up any results yet is coincidental. For the record I could easily bandwagon to look more townie, but I'd prefer to think for myself ty.
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On December 11 2013 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 00:30 Spaghetticus wrote:
Why do you think it more scummy that I would policy vote scummy play, than someone effortfully attempting to break the too scummy to be scum barrier? The scummy part is what I bolded. Saying that your vote "is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards." is what's scummy. Like, what if nobody else is voting slam close to the deadline? Are you planning on wasting it and leaving it on him?
I don't see the issue. Well... I see it, but I don't see why you see it as such a big deal. It's sort of a minor offense, considering the caliber of misdemeanor hoodie-swaggering around the thread.
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On December 11 2013 00:55 Corazon wrote:
Plutarch is Marv because all Marv does is tunnel me whenever we are town together. You should just disregard everything he says about me tbh
HF is confirmation biased and refuses to push anyone else besides me. Play the game
Don't call Artanis scum for being right.
Be less bad please.
How do you expect to convince anyone with this garbage?
So we should take you word for it that not only are you trustworthy, you are able to discern smurfs at a glance, and you deem that this smurf is marv, and you also deem that Marv tunnels you, that he does so unfairly, and we should therefore disregard it? How can you not see that this is too much to swallow?
HF is biased because he thinks you're scummy and doesn't change his vote with the wind?
Artanis can't be scum because you agree with him on something?
You're either making terrible arguments because you're terrible town, or you're just bullshitting to look like you're doing something. Can someone weigh in on how good Corazon is supposed to be? If he's at all capable at mafia I want him hung.
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On December 11 2013 00:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 00:46 Spaghetticus wrote:On December 11 2013 00:40 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 11 2013 00:30 Spaghetticus wrote:
Why do you think it more scummy that I would policy vote scummy play, than someone effortfully attempting to break the too scummy to be scum barrier? The scummy part is what I bolded. Saying that your vote "is not changing at all regardless of anything that comes afterwards." is what's scummy. Like, what if nobody else is voting slam close to the deadline? Are you planning on wasting it and leaving it on him? I don't see the issue. Well... I see it, but I don't see why you see it as such a big deal. It's sort of a minor offense, considering the caliber of misdemeanor hoodie-swaggering around the thread. You keep pussyfooting around my question w/o giving me a direct answer. So I'm gonna say that this is basically you saying: YES, you plan on wasting your vote if slam isn't one of the leading wagons.Feel free to correct me if I'm misinterpreting. I don't understand how you can say that you don't see that as a big deal.
Your play, you are niggling over and over on a thing that doesn't feel right to you. You are self confident in a non-scum way "lol look at him squirm" since inciting a big fight with a townie is counter productive to scum agenda and I am a big fan of your answer when I asked you why you didn't build up a case you didn't flounder you simply stated that you didn't know what was right, only what was wrong. It suggested someone who was objectively reading cases and, if they had an issue with that case, making the issue known. All in all it seems likely that you are town. If you are scum you are one of the top scum players I've ever seen. So I'm going to assume that ockham had it right and you are town.
+ Show Spoiler +
I plagiarised the above paragraph on the offchance Slam is a lazy town. I don't want him to click the spoiler and thought it less likely if there was more volume to my post, and if it felt like something he'd read before.
FFS. How am I supposed to pressure someone into playing the game if you won't leave me alone? I was posturing to get him to actually do something. Maybe he won't bother clicking the spoiler... He probably will. The vote is a non-issue. Votes don't mean anything until someone actually hangs. If you are town, you should have let me do this then jumped me D2. The amount of posturing bullshit that goes on and you decide to tunnel mine... You have my attention now, this doesn't seem to have been conducted with a townie mind-set.
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On December 11 2013 01:04 Corazon wrote:
Spag please read the thread and read the posts HF quotes and see if they really makes me scum or if one point makes me look bad and the rest are him misinterpreting posts to make me look scummy
Do you really want me to? You know I already think you scummy. You know I'm under the gun to produce a red-read. How do you think this is going to end?
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EBWOP:
Also Cor, I'm not going to go read an entire other game on the offchance you've got mad meta-read skills and I'm able to somehow catch this. Be reasonable. Look at the path you're asking me to take:
1) read other game
2) agree with Cor with any degree of actual certainty that Pluto is Marv
3) agree that Cor's assessment of Marv tunneling him every game unjustly is correct
4) infer that Marv is sticking to his normal meta even though he is on a smurf and has no obligation to do so (and loses the advantage of using a smurf by being so predictable).
5) infer that plutos pressure on you is motivated by a meta-decision rather than an alignment one.
6) ...
7) profit?
Nobody cares if it's a meta-decision. Look at the points and address the argument. He raises legitimate criticism, it seems wise to look into it. If you want to argue that's he's town that is wrong, that's fine. If you want to argue that he's scum that's wrong, fine. Just shut-up about speculative-meta-potshot-bullshit.
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Yes, but if I'm scum I'll be even more accountable once I've actually committed an action like that, and you have more chance of catching me. See? Vigi-shots aren't free. There's a limited number of them and a larger number of useless players.
Let's talk about you.
You have a half page filter.
Ten posts in the game total.
Five of these pertain to my posturing.
I think it's fair to say that the bulk of your contribution is getting me to explain some meaningless D1 play. You're a more experienced player than I, what would your opinion be if someone else had done the same as you have? Would you think them red?
Do you think me red? If so, have you any reason other than the possibility that I was looking to negate my vote?
Do you have any other reads?
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Nice word. Inapplicable, but nice. I'm actually responding directly to you, and similarity between our posts must be entirely coincidental + Show Spoiler +or maybe we all perceive a similar reality because there is evidence to support such a view
I haven't talked to or about Xatalos since the start of the game (if at all). Plutarch is think my head may best be removed from my neck, and I've hardly spoken to or about HF other than that he is probably town, and that he should stop pissing around. He might want me dead too? I can't remember.
It's funny the way you keep using these sensational word: "tunnel vision" and "confirmation-bias". I hate being the one to ruin irony by pointing it out, but I haven't attacked Artanis, I simply said it's stupid to think he must be town just because he agrees with you. I also haven't ganged up with anyone, if anything I've left you alone because you already have enough problems. You'd be an easy and acceptable lynch, but since it looks like you might get lynched anyway I've been focusing elsewhere.
You must understand, as I'm only going to say this once more. I'm hardly reading what they say about you. I'm reading your responses. They are giving me scumchills. Stop defending yourself by slinging mud on your assailants as it's not at all relevant to my perspective and it's doing you no favours. All I see is someone who has not done any townwork who is showing no intention of doing anything but making other look more scummy than themselves despite the lack of scumsign. Calm yourself. Use reasoning. Be useful.
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On December 11 2013 02:04 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Yes, but if I'm scum I'll be even more accountable once I've actually committed an action like that, and you have more chance of catching me. Did you read what I wrote? My whole point was that you could either stick w/ your stance or change it and both would look fine for you. I made you commit ahead of time so you couldn't base your decision on who the main wagons were gonna be @ the deadline. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
I think it's fair to say that the bulk of your contribution is getting me to explain some meaningless D1 play. You're a more experienced player than I, what would your opinion be if someone else had done the same as you have? Would you think them red? Silly question. Obviously I don't think my play is scummy. Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:
Do you think me red? If so, have you any reason other than the possibility that I was looking to negate my vote? I think you look better now that you admitted that you're not gonna keep your vote locked. Show nested quote +[B]On December 11 2013 01:49 Spaghetticus wrote:[/B
]Do you have any other reads?
I've posted reads. Is there someone specific you'd like me to comment on?
Really? You don't think a 10post filter scummy at this point? You don't think zeroing in on one relevant but minor detail for half of these isn't worth talking about?
You've made other reads? Would you mind copy-pasting them in their entirety for dramatic effect? (it shouldn't take long)
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Oh jeez bum at large is on me to? I'm losing count XD
I second Artanis' need for clarification. I'm not a fan of people leaving their reads entirely unjustified, it allows too much fluidity for scum to read the ebb and flow and tailor the lynch. If you think me scum say why, so that you can' just backflip consequence free okty
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On December 11 2013 02:21 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:I'm gonna step back from posting on Xata since no one seems to be reading it anyway and everything's already been said. On December 11 2013 01:58 bumatlarge wrote:
Spaghetti man is pretty mafia. I'd lynch him if pandain was here. Kushmasta seems super silly. If you have to (/green) things this early that aren't questions to the host, you are playing badly.
##Vote Pandain What makes Spaghetti mafia to you? Do you really think I'm a lynch candidate for today? Who else would you vote for if it's fruitless to vote for me? I think you mentioned purple. What do you think of this purple wagon?
Isn't the post you quote specifically answering your question?
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