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On December 19 2013 04:02 Grackaroni wrote:
BH what do you think about Rayn? potential scummer?
Rayn got purple lynched. If it wasn't for Rayne, that lynch would not have happened. Yes, there's always the possibility of a bus for towncred but it's incredibly unlikely. There's a difference between a bus and completely getting the town to lynch your teammate.
And the fact that there's a SK in this game and rayne could easily just get NKed and it's just not worth entertaining the thought.
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On December 19 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Man I really don't know like I know I'm supposed to be that guy who catches rayn when he's scum but if rayn is scum this game he has me fooled rather admirably. The only reason I have any suspicion of him is that when rayn is town he usually projects more of his personality. I usually get a feeling his town. There are definitely times when he's town and he doesn't do that but that's the thing that had him initially on my "what's the deal with this guy" list.
Ultimately he's not doing the obvious thing like pretending to be drunk or pushing a no lynch or anything weird like that so I don't think he's a good lynch for tomorrow You have managed to play in games where i have played like absolute crap as scum BH..  But i am not scum, there is no way i would have lynched purple if i was mafia, i'm not stupid as scum. That would have been very very stupid, when i could have just lynched Vayne.
Where are you on your cycle? Are you on track to have good or bad scum play this game?
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On December 19 2013 04:09 Blazinghand wrote:
"i'm not stupid as scum"
"I have played like absolute crap as scum"
Nevermind. Do you really think i bussed my teammate with no reason to do so on D2?
I dunno what your expectations of my scumplay are BH.. When i am sober..
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Blazinghand
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On December 19 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:08 Blazinghand wrote:On December 19 2013 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:On December 19 2013 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is the deal:
Grack is real cop -> there is not gonna be a CC. We lynch Plutarch the next day.
Grack is lying -> there is a counter-claim at the deadline, we lynch Grack the next day.
Plutarch could still be SK in the second scenario. No chance of scum counterclaiming me tomorrow? Come on Rayn you are better than that. If someone CC's you tomorrow we lynch them, because they have been told to claim before deadline. wat Because scum need 1 mislynch. If Grack is town it might actually be good to cc him tomorrow to get a lynch on Grack, then get a lynch on SK.
Oh, so you're saying we could reasonably expect a cop claim from a scum player, or an SK player, so we want to have them claim before the deadline rather than after, so that there is a risk of being proven wrong by the other faction's KP.
I like that
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On December 19 2013 04:11 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:08 Blazinghand wrote:On December 19 2013 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:On December 19 2013 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is the deal:
Grack is real cop -> there is not gonna be a CC. We lynch Plutarch the next day.
Grack is lying -> there is a counter-claim at the deadline, we lynch Grack the next day.
Plutarch could still be SK in the second scenario. No chance of scum counterclaiming me tomorrow? Come on Rayn you are better than that. If someone CC's you tomorrow we lynch them, because they have been told to claim before deadline. wat Because scum need 1 mislynch. If Grack is town it might actually be good to cc him tomorrow to get a lynch on Grack, then get a lynch on SK. Oh, so you're saying we could reasonably expect a cop claim from a scum player, or an SK player, so we want to have them claim before the deadline rather than after, so that there is a risk of being proven wrong by the other faction's KP. I like that
Of course. Also there is the possibilty scum have the janitor role, that can make things complicated.
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On December 19 2013 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:11 Blazinghand wrote:On December 19 2013 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:08 Blazinghand wrote:On December 19 2013 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:On December 19 2013 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like here is the deal:
Grack is real cop -> there is not gonna be a CC. We lynch Plutarch the next day.
Grack is lying -> there is a counter-claim at the deadline, we lynch Grack the next day.
Plutarch could still be SK in the second scenario. No chance of scum counterclaiming me tomorrow? Come on Rayn you are better than that. If someone CC's you tomorrow we lynch them, because they have been told to claim before deadline. wat Because scum need 1 mislynch. If Grack is town it might actually be good to cc him tomorrow to get a lynch on Grack, then get a lynch on SK. Oh, so you're saying we could reasonably expect a cop claim from a scum player, or an SK player, so we want to have them claim before the deadline rather than after, so that there is a risk of being proven wrong by the other faction's KP. I like that Of course. Also there is the possibilty scum have the janitor role, that can make things complicated.
This to. Trust me guys, Rayn is town. Mafia is Grack and JJD. They are really obvious
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On December 19 2013 04:04 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
if that CC was going to happen it would have happened by now. If there was a 2nd cop it should be pretty obvious. Don't be fucking stupid. If you are lying there is no reason the real cop should claim until 1min before deadline and you know it. I would sit there and change the kill the minute before the deadline. muahahahahha
Don't know how grack can repeatedly claim scum and town is all like 'well he is probably the cop' lel. He is so clearly scum.
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On December 19 2013 04:29 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:04 Grackaroni wrote:On December 19 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 19 2013 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
if that CC was going to happen it would have happened by now. If there was a 2nd cop it should be pretty obvious. Don't be fucking stupid. If you are lying there is no reason the real cop should claim until 1min before deadline and you know it. I would sit there and change the kill the minute before the deadline. muahahahahha Don't know how grack can repeatedly claim scum and town is all like 'well he is probably the cop' lel. He is so clearly scum.
You would be amazed. People doubt those things when scum literally claim scum..
I suggest you read Thug life and you might understand why i get mad in these situations.
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Blazinghand
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oh shoot did grack actually claim scum? i missed it
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On December 19 2013 04:32 Blazinghand wrote:
oh shoot did grack actually claim scum? i missed it
Not necessarily but that's a possibility. I don't like the claim.
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On December 18 2013 06:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote:
he is getting counterclaimed so further discussion is pointless now you outed yourselves completely. Calling it right now that Plu is gonna have some bullshit reason when this doesn't happen.
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Blazinghand
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so he didn't literally claim scum
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Like, he said he checked Vayne as town on N1. Okay.
He did not argue against vayne lynch on D2. When Purple came to be Vayne's counter-wagon this is what Grack had to say:
On December 15 2013 05:53 Grackaroni wrote:
wtf is this. I'm not voting purp.
On December 15 2013 05:56 Grackaroni wrote:
what a dumb day lol
This is about a mafia wagon against his town check wagon.. Makes sense to you BH?
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Blazinghand
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Ah, yeah, that is an inconsistency. It's also worth noting that at the time Grack claimed, we had a wagon rolling on mafia xatalos and he claimed
1) a check on a dead guy
2) an SK check on a guy who's not the mafia we lynched
which is pretty much the most useful claim for scum to make.
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Blazinghand
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I actually think there's also a non-trivial chance, btw, that both plutarch AND grack are lying.
The scumteam shot Plutarch, the nk-immune SK, and so they know he's the SK. They can only kill him with a lynch. Grack claims cop with an SK check on Plu. We lynch Plu, he flips SK, now we all think Grack is the cop. Grack claims a redcheck on someone else, wam bam thank you ma'am ez win for scum
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I know. Grack lying tells nothing about Plutarch being SK or not. He'd act the same way as SK as he would have no other chance.
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On December 19 2013 04:45 Blazinghand wrote:
I actually think there's also a non-trivial chance, btw, that both plutarch AND grack are lying.
The scumteam shot Plutarch, the nk-immune SK, and so they know he's the SK. They can only kill him with a lynch. Grack claims cop with an SK check on Plu. We lynch Plu, he flips SK, now we all think Grack is the cop. Grack claims a redcheck on someone else, wam bam thank you ma'am ez win for scum
I got medic protected twice in a row. But sure If I'm still alive and I don't catch the serial killer by lylo then town should consider lynching me.
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Blazinghand
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yeah rayn is town for thinking this through
at least there's no chanc ethat both grack AND plu are town so there's that
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Blazinghand
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On December 19 2013 04:48 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:45 Blazinghand wrote:
I actually think there's also a non-trivial chance, btw, that both plutarch AND grack are lying.
The scumteam shot Plutarch, the nk-immune SK, and so they know he's the SK. They can only kill him with a lynch. Grack claims cop with an SK check on Plu. We lynch Plu, he flips SK, now we all think Grack is the cop. Grack claims a redcheck on someone else, wam bam thank you ma'am ez win for scum
I got medic protected twice in a row. But sure If I'm still alive and I don't catch the serial killer by lylo then town should consider lynching me.
oh, I didn't see the crumbs. I just assumed the medics were protecting me, the confirmed town and best player in this game, but I could be wrong
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Rayn and BH. You do both agree that if there's no counterclaim, we kill Plu correct?
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