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gonna play superlazy tho | ||
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e.g. On November 22 2013 07:50 mkfuba07 wrote: Argh! Classes finally ended, and I've been waiting for this forever :X Oh well, /replacement ^^ | ||
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An outrageous suggestion, be gone! | ||
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I wasn't planning on reading anything though, but reading the last couple posts makes me feel like maybe I should :< | ||
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##Vote: Yorick | ||
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On November 30 2013 18:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: VE is always insecure. Like literally always. You may be right about sandro being scum but if there's one thing I can tell you in a game of mafia is when VE is town. Don't really buy this, one of my only memories of you pushing a case on someone was you mislynching a town VE (as town yourself) in LV. | ||
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On November 30 2013 19:17 supersoft wrote: Yeah sure, you're calling sandroba scum! Do you realize, that he's the one who came up with the most reasonable and protown post so far? nvm. That's not how you play as town. You just flood the thread again right? Pretty sure BC in LXIII had the most reasonable and pro-town posts according to you as well  | ||
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Firstly: On November 21 2013 21:28 marvellosity wrote: /in gonna play superlazy tho Secondly: Am I more likely to make a lazy entrance to the thread as town or mafia, do you imagine? Weeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak, rayn </3. | ||
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I did indeed read the thread, as should be pretty obvious from the fact I pulled a couple of quotes. Tsk. | ||
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You can't come in here with nice ideas about some sort of picking order and arranging players and then bitch out of doing anything sensible because Oats is annoying you. Go have a smoke or something. | ||
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On November 30 2013 21:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: | ||
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what are the other choices? | ||
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It kinda feels like maybe town will pick up KP roles to automatically take them away from mafia. I think the only KP role worth considering banning might be Warwick. | ||
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Like if we're leaning towards banning 2 alignment heros (say nocturne and graves), mafia would presumably want to take out alignment heros too. As long as what town is left with is still worth making those bans? this is all pretty vague because i've not looked in depth enough to think about it, hoping someone else will :p | ||
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On December 01 2013 06:46 Koshi wrote: imo yorick should not be banned. but I guess that ship has sailed. Graves should. Urgot should. Are you misreading something? Alignments are hidden too | ||
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On December 01 2013 10:45 geript wrote: Yah I'm just going to put you on ignore. I don't have a real read on VE; I feel like he's intentionally playing different. As for Mocsta, I don't understand why he didn't give a reason with his random bans. I figured he would've abstained instead. Please don't do this, it's super unhelpful. | ||
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On December 01 2013 20:51 supersoft wrote: shhhh we don't accuse scummarv. he will destroy our lovely thread! Be prepared for monsoons of fire and bile! There will be terror the likes that the citizens of TeamLiquid have never seen! Death to you all! etc etc | ||
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On December 01 2013 20:50 jaybrundage wrote: Yea I never played a PYP game before I thought we send in draft numbers another phase. I didn't realize we had to ban and send in draft. So far I think Rayn is town. I dont like marv. I have been in games with him where he plays an amazing scum. I would be totes fine with lynching him. He doesn't seem to care much and knowing how good a mafia player he is. He wont incriminate him self easily So jay, if you think I can play/am "amazing scum", how do you think that lines up with my play so far? Does it look like I've been making what would have been a really easy effort to get quite "involved" with bans and reads early? Your regard for my scumplay seems to directly contradict what you're seeing out of my play so far, so I wanna know what you're doing. Seems to me that my play so far has led a number of players of being suspicious of me for doing jack shit/not caring. Is that "amazing" scumplay to you? Thanks in advance for your cooperation xoxoxoxo P.S. 7,2 | ||
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Oats, who's scum? | ||
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lol @ ss being able to work out what's faked, christ :> | ||
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If so, why? Please justify yourself, because your previous post was just nonsense | ||
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On December 01 2013 22:51 supersoft wrote: His stuff is just confused. I think you get the general direction of his posts: You don't perform as expected. The question is, is this alignment indicative? I perform less lazily at the start of a game as mafia, this is kinda well documented so that should make me town, if we're purely going by meta... | ||
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super: my point being, if he has a lot of respect for my scumplay, then he shouldn't really be thinking that I am starting off the game superlazy as mafia. It doesn't make very much sense at all. | ||
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On December 01 2013 23:21 Oatsmaster wrote: This doesnt make any sense Mocsta Why would marv intentionally rock the boat as town? Do you not think Yorick is a good ban? Why would I not? This post is dumb. | ||
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geript is well known for being a hotheaded loony. | ||
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On December 02 2013 00:25 Kurumi wrote: I'm wondering why the hell would Oats go 1,1 after rayn claimed to get those. Why you did not want Rayn first Oats? I'd quite like an answer to this too :> | ||
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How would this trick work, exactly? | ||
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On December 02 2013 00:47 jaybrundage wrote: I dont have a great reason that you could be scum. That was my point of my post your a good scum player so its hard to make a case on you. I have thought you were town lots of times and found out later you were scum. Your difficult to read but my gut says scum. Have you even been in a game I've been mafia in? | ||
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Which? Your claim is that you have thought I was town "lots of times" and found out later I was mafia, but I can't remember playing with you. In short, I think you're bullshitting muchly. | ||
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On December 02 2013 05:28 jaybrundage wrote: Using the mafia data base it was Hero Mini Mafia. I thought you were town the whole game and you turned out to be mafia. You played a very strong mafia you lead the town and misguided them very well. Kudos So "once" then, not "lots of times" That was a gross exaggeration, wasn't it, jay? Why did you grossly exaggerate? | ||
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It's really weird. | ||
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and by suspicious i mean really suspicious | ||
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Weljel. | ||
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On December 02 2013 12:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is also another effect on the other power i have. But the scummy one is that it absorbs 4 votes on the targeted player for the next 2 day phases. So yeah, really fucking scummy. This is interesting. If we want to lynch someone, town's gonna have to consolidate properly. | ||
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If you have such a power, then it's not a big stretch that there might be other, significant vote-fucking powers out there. | ||
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On the other hand, I don't want people using "consolidation" as an excuse with 24h to go or something dumb. Push yo shit and then consolidate if/when absolutely necessary. This is all pretty obvious but people need to get it. | ||
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Two posts playing himself down: On December 01 2013 04:56 gtrsrs wrote: also since a lot of you are more experienced or adamant about this game and the order, i'll pick somewhat low numbers so i don't harsh your vibe sorry for the terrible post but seeing as most of the posts so far have also been terrible i don't feel so bad. On December 01 2013 16:26 gtrsrs wrote: perhaps i don't quite understand the roles, but bum, how are kha'zix and viktor not in any of your lists? based on what we know of kha in the game he's got mobility, invisibility, and high damage. i'm sure he'll have some pretty lethal abilities by day 4/5. i believe that he should be a priority pick for town, just to deny him from mafia, yes? and aren't inventor roles pretty strong in a game like this? allows us to give "vanillas" some better abilities (or at least further empower our best players, no?). Into asserting himself: On December 02 2013 10:12 gtrsrs wrote: whoever takes kha'zix before me is scum On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote: so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you It's totally illogical to go "picking low numbers because I suck" ---> "if you picked my role you are mafia". I also hated this post at the time On December 02 2013 02:18 gtrsrs wrote: is there any way we can cut these posts out? not really adding much to the game. makes me lose focus when trying to catch up. did i read the page where X lol'd at Y? did i read the page where Y lol'd back at X? it's a huge turnoff and i don't want to say it looks scummy but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit just so we don't have to read it all game I generally get the sentiment of spam = bad, it's just out of place given the thread wasn't really a shitfest anyway, and he has so few posts that he's wasting one on a post like this. Especially the wording "I don't want to say it looks scummy" ---> "but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit". Over the top and illogical. Yuckityyuck. | ||
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On December 02 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote: I got nothing.. I think his position is reasonable. This is interesting, isn't it? All the other VT claims I've noted down have actually had SOME kind of power (50 kp, or Oats' list change?) | ||
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On December 02 2013 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes that is indeed really weird. But if he got 50 KP or something why would he lie about it? Or he's mafia and he doesn't want to claim his role and claimed VT and didn't think through that other VT claims actually have some sort of power Mocsta is looking kinda not-good to me already. | ||
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On December 02 2013 16:16 Oatsmaster wrote: All roffles does is setup speculate and then call out jay for actually doing something else, like attacking marv. Now, i think that Jay's reasoning is bullshit but it doesnt make Jay scum. He's calling Jay bad not scum. It kinda looks like he's going through Jay's filter and looking for all the things that are bad play rather than actually trying to find scummy behavior. This post makes me like Oats for town, it's observant. Roffles has indeed done a lot of aloof commentating/defending without pushing anything forwards. | ||
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jcarl looks bad as per bum's case. I have nothing to add. Rean started off super-loud but has fallen away. Why? gtrsrs's posts look bad, his meta makes him look bad. Don't like Mocsta for reasons I already mentioned, his shit with MZ also looks ridiculous. jay's bullshitting his read on me, he can die for it probably. Other people are town or dunno. | ||
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BC no idea at all, too early. | ||
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With the inventor running around and every role having a 2nd unknown power, it's a pretty safe pick (the person choosing gf would also have a 2nd ability too), as there may be hidden DT roles/items. | ||
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What I/Koshi posted seems essentially correct to me. | ||
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KoshiShouldn't the people who already claimed VT clarify who they actually tried to pick? I don't see why they wouldn't once they've claimed VT? | ||
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My flick through jcarl's games was less definitive than I'd like. | ||
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On December 02 2013 23:11 sandroba wrote: Can't seem to find any games with tl search, can you link pls? I did however read his filter again and I can't find anything in particular that would lead me to believe he is scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227500&user=gtrsrs&view=all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=237124&user=gtrsrs&view=all | ||
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On December 02 2013 23:19 sandroba wrote: @marv while I take my time and skim that, why don't you tell me what you think about austin this game I don't have much to say about austin. He's not really said anything that I wouldn't expect him to say from either alignment. The only notable thing is that I'd have thought he'd be more involved/excited about the drafting and picking process than he's shown. He likes non-scumhunty stuff like that. | ||
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On December 02 2013 23:44 sandroba wrote: @marv took a look at gtrsrs and believe we should let him post freely here d1 before reaching any conclusions. I don't think his behavior on the pick phase points towards scum. My read on austin is purely based on meta and his posts and overall energy seem quite different from what I remember when he was town. Btw I do agree with you that mocsta/mz exchange looks fake and overall mocsta's posts don't look natural to me. @SS I mostly agree with your stuff on LSB, but his behavior has been so erratic that I think we should take a bit more time and see how things fare. I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind seeing the logic of it from a scum perspective too. This is how I view it too - it's not really a secret that what LSB wrote wasn't good or it was anti-town, that doesn't mean it came from mafia though. If gtrsrs came and posted freely I'd be ecstatic. Re: austin, you're kinda saying the same thing as me in a different way and you aren't wrong, but I'm not going to lynch him for only that so may as well just wait and see what he does | ||
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On December 03 2013 01:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Since when does town Oats fight with Town Geript????? Maybe cora/mocsta but never you. #mindblown. I gotta sleep, I dont like Kurumi's thinly veiled OMGUS on Kush but kush is wrong about jcarl. totes. ? This is the first time you've really mentioned anything about jcarl. | ||
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probably this isn't particularly useful evidence | ||
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On December 03 2013 04:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Think ChronoTriggrr If you're thinking Chrono Trigger, you'd know that I was apparently suspicious early on for being passive. Then again, I'm pretty happy with how I've been doing today, so you can go sit on a cucumber. | ||
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On December 03 2013 05:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: If that was a viable defense then scum would never be caught for bandwagoning... No, it's not really the same, you're being pretty simplistic. If I have my vote on someone I think is pretty likely to be mafia, and another dude comes into the thread at a later point and agrees with my read (with somewhat different reasons as well as similar ones) and pushes that dude to influential players like sandroba, my instinct is not going to be "huh, this guy is suspicious, keep an eye on him!". It's odd. | ||
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Because as far as I've gathered, all he's done is push me based on a lie and afk. Hmm? | ||
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It's not a slam-dunk "he's town!" point, but it's a "i'm going to have to see something pretty damn convincing to lynch him on day 1, and what's been said so far is nowhere near it" kinda thing. | ||
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On December 03 2013 06:25 JonnyLaw wrote: Okay, I was out all day yesterday. Two hours later I've finally caught up in the thread. gtrs - I dont like how his filter reads but he hasn't really given us much to lynch him either. I know he's capable of playing better as town so either he's busy, lazy or scum. None of these qualities help us win the game. Soniv - fine for now. Looks to be making an effort to push the game towards a goal. kushmasta - Like really? This guy comes into the thread and starts calling people scum in one liners and generally shitting the place up. He replaced OWB who completely shut down and hated playing scum in NMM L. The random tooscummytobescum post irritates me as well. The rest have longer filters and I need to evaluate them. Just reading through the last 20 pages hasn't left me with other strong feelings yet. I'll be checking filters and around for a while. Could you explain this one a little more? | ||
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Seems weird you'd disregard that Jonny, especially as you are apparently familiar/have looked at kush's past games. | ||
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You're right though, it is risky to go after me. But it is pretty wifomy like jcarl said. The reasoning "I thought you were town tons of time in one game" is, however, 100% bullshit. But you could just be town not wanting to abjectly prostrate yourself before me in complete humiliation. Anyways I'm not trying to lynch you right now, so just do your thang and I'm sure I'll wanna cuddle you again if you find some mafia n stuffs. | ||
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On December 03 2013 06:54 sandroba wrote: jay why don't you read those filters too? I don't like my vote on you quite as much right now. Your vote isn't ON jay, you silly goose. :/ | ||
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On December 03 2013 07:04 sandroba wrote: okay that maybe explains why i thought he suddenly was pretty townie =) What do you think of how the guy you put your vote on has posted since you voted him? Not gonna give you his name, gonna leave you to work out who you're voting for <3 | ||
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On December 03 2013 07:17 Risen wrote: I'm down to lynch LSB. Only thing that makes me hesitate is that's a nice amount of effort he has put in compared to others (myself included). ##vote: LSB Kinda missing a reason for your vote here, Risen. | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:48 sandroba wrote: @LSB MAN. You get no notifications this game. What happens is people will be informed they received X amounts of dmg and the results of their actions. Half the abilities of the heroes are unknown information. So you can't hold anyone accountable for anything. Please. Read the rules and think about your plan first. I think this is adequate enough reason not to go ahead with this. I could talk about why I personally object but even that would give away information I don't want to give away. Really this whole conversation needs to stop because it's not leading anywhere. Any claimed VTs not saying what they tried to pick should be kicked in the balls, however. | ||
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On December 03 2013 09:09 Kenpachi wrote: I have several hunches on why geript is mafia. A good amount of my argument and stance was elaborated on by jcarls (it's also in my filter if you need to find it). Geript has been uncooperative also and I don't want him alive anyways. But I see him or jcarls being mafia. Jcarls makes more sense and I'd rather keep him alive in the event that he is town. If Geript is town, I'd rally on jcarls easily because although he makes sense, I don't like his patterns and the way he communicates his thoughts, but nonetheless they're somewhat substantial, atleast substantial enough to call out geript. This is a pretty horrible post actually. How does geript being town (potentially) make jcarl mafia? It simply doesn't in any way, other than the fact he accused him, which isn't enough for a total reversal of a read. It feels like you're hedging your bets in a really hedgey way. Yuck yuck yuck. | ||
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rayn, I don't really like a vote on ticklish unless you have something else to bring to the table on him other than the obvious. To be honest I gave him credit for actually going away and looking at some of your town games, and it looks like he actually did so because he made some passing comment that the only thing missing from your game so far was calling town bad or something similar, which while a tad unfair, isn't necessarily inaccurate either. | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:53 LSB wrote: I think this is the most important thing that needs to get done and that's why I am pushing for it so hard. I do not understand why you think I should "give this up" an idea that you admit is "pro town". I am more concerned about doing things that will be very important to the town as a whole, and someone needs to do this and I decided to do it. If you want a scum read I'd say I'd read you as red, I can understand if you are saying stop yelling for massclaim because it is bad for XYZ. But to say stop yelling for massclaim even though it is a good idea stinks of casual sabotage. I would rather have your support for a plan you admit is "pro town" rather than attempting to dissuade it before it is completed. Can't really believe no-one brought this up yet. LSB shot up several points on my scumdar for this. I actually think it's kinda insane that LSB picks out rayn as a red-read. Like I'm finding it very difficult to believe. | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not sure either any more, that's why i did not include him in the list i asked Mocsta about earlier. He just.. stopped playing after the beginning. Yes, this is point 1. I would expect a townie to become more interested as the game went on and lynch-time came (like me :D) whereas his activity is the other way round. Secondly is the point that sandroba kinda touched on - he asked Jonny about something, Jonny replied and sandroba commented that Jonny was just summarising the action in the filters, rather than really making alignment guesses from it. His play feels different from his most recent game (a newbie I admit): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=JonnyLaw in a way that I can't describe very well. Like here he is more aggressive/aloof? In that game there he is prodding around and making pretty decent cases on people. Like his "case" on kush here is just... meh. Thirdly I found it quite odd how he kept repeating his stance on gtrsrs, which was bad or lazy or scum, but "not useful to town either way" - like it seemed overdone. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Odin if kushmasta has even one quote from another player in his posts he is town. If he is scum he does not go into any filter because he can't even force himself to do so. He just says "permission to bus me granted, do it!". I don't think he is scum here. This is false, the reason I was suspicious of him in LXII (you were mafia with him) was because he made some pre-fab case on jat, which did indeed contain quotes from his filter. Bad metric. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:51 LSB wrote: Seriously? You seriously think the best way to make sure said KP isn't being thrown around is to let roles have free will over what to do? Last thing we need is a Heimerdinger getting two turrets out, or an Urgot making a focus fire on one champion an instakill. I have said time and time again that KP related roles should be claimed so they can be held accountable should they participate in suspicious actions. Okay, if you are vet/dt/medic you don't need to claim if you do not, but awnser this. Why shouldn't Vanilla Town Claim who they tried to pick or KP related roles claim the same? You need to shut the fuck up or I'm going to have you lynched for being an annoying asshole. | ||
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People we do not lynch today Oatsmaster - he gets this flak every game he plays. Don't see any reason at all for him to be mafia right now geript - too abrasive + eager early on to get stuck in. Maybe the Oats push is fake but I can't tell that for now and compared to anyone else he's a bad target kushm4sta - good luck divining his alignment so far. Everything everyone said is true but that doesn't make him mafia... People I'm looking at funny and maybe I'd lynch jaybrundage - comes in, drops a big post about how he wouldn't attack me as mafia, says he lurks as mafia ---> lurks jcarlsoniv - I'm going up and down on jcarl. His push on geript feels worthless. Also did not like how he addressed what I said about Jonny - he said that it was meta based so he couldn't say much. Actually only 1 of 4 things I said were meta-related, so that's a super-weak cop out of giving any substantial opinion. Mocsta - has actually been super useless this game. He's not done anything other than bad things. Come and dumped a vote on Jonny and what? austin - why you do nothing :< People who are suspicious JonnyLaw - I'm not sure about this dude. I think what I brought up against him remains true, but maybe we should give him more time? Dunno. gtrsrs - comes back and his only contribution is to make a case based on false number-picking premise. Actually it's not even the fact that what he said about the numbers was incorrect - it's that he is solely basing his read on numbers - no other behaviour or post analysis at all. That's horrible. Rean - Started off apparently eager, fell away pathetically. LSB - Weird Tryndamere pick. Obsession with a bad plan at exclusion of doing anything else. Shitty rayn=red read that he dropped in and never said anything else about. Posts that I don't want to read anymore. rayn tbh I don't see why I'd lynch ticklish above anyone in the above groups :/ Also the above 2 groups are kinda arbitrary. | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not trying to get into a bitchfight with you. I am confused why you have geript in "do not lynch" and gtr/Jonny in "do lynch" category. I think what i pointed out was a legit question to you, maybe phrased a bit too aggressively, agreed. I wrote exactly why geript is in the category he was in. You may feel strongly that his push on Oats is fake, I simply do not. He sounded legitimately confused why he was a target today. He came out the gate shouting and spewing nonsense like town-geript always does. Don't see why Jonny should be town at all? He's not confirmed mafia, but nothing he's written makes me feel warm about him. You obviously didn't read what I said on gtrsrs; it's the fact that at this stage in the game he's made no effort at actually analysing posts, he's trying to form his scumread on something silly like numbers. As always you (and others) labour under the delusion that mafia on day 1 will be "in the know". Mafia are dumb as well as town, often. | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:41 sandroba wrote: I like your list, with exception of gtrs. The fact that he tried to take kasix and I believe mafia would have taken kasix pretty high is holding some weight for me. I would sub in ticklish for him. My issue with ticklish being mafia is: 1.I believe he went away and read rayn towngames. Lazy lurky mafia won't usually do this 2.He actually found inconsistency in kush's filter. Now this doesn't make kush mafia obviously, but it does mean tickling was attentive enough to notice 3.his posts have a IDGAF feel about them. | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there anything that supports the argument that he went and read my town games? The fact that he said that you had an aggressive attitude in those games, which is why he backed off the read on you here (which is basically what he attributed it to). | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:47 sandroba wrote: I'm a bit insecure about this LSB lynch. The thing is that every time we lynch the guy on day one who is going crazy on the thread pissing off everybody that guy ends up being town. Don't get me wrong, every single post I read from LSB seems like a blatant push of scum agenda and I'm trying very hard to read it from another perspective because I think he is being straight out suicidal. I don't know how much weight the fact that he is LSB and is supposed to be decent at this game should hold. I don't know, how much should it hold? I don't know LSB at all, but I know he's oldschool and usually if I hear him mentioned it's with respect. If we take out his roleclaim thing which could just be dumb, he still randomly called rayn mafia (and didn't follow up) and then bum mafia (or was it SK? which is even weirder). Like the people he's pushing (what there is of it) make no sense to me at all | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: So in case he is scum and therefore knows i am town he could have not make that kind of an observation based on my posting in this game? I mean, it's quite easy to assume i post quite similarly than in my other town games. Before coming back he has never mentioned me in his filter. I would assume being his only scumread he would at least mention me no? Seems a pretty weird mafia-ploy to call you mafia for the same reasons he's going to call you town for later. *shrug* | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:01 sandroba wrote: I actually don't mind him calling bum mafia, after his 1st post which I liked, I've been getting weird vibes from bum too. And I see now that ticklish got taric at #26, and that could be the reason LSB is stopping at him. And given that ticklish is taric, what are the chances mafia decided to take it so low? Ya, that wasn't the reasoning though... | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: The point is he called me "earlier mafia now town" in the same post of his. Another weird thing i just noticed is he claims he has been involved in the game by reading my past games. However he was not enough involved to send in draft numbers. You made the argument earlier that mafia were more likely to be coordinated to send in their draft numbers... Like there's no reason what I bolded should come from either mafia or town tbh. | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:31 sandroba wrote: I don't know why he would stick to a case he made so early with so little evidence. I mean he should be jumping on LSB right now. He just posted one thing to save face and is riding it to the end of day 1, no further input on anything. I can perfectly understand him not believing jcarl has redeemed himself, I pointed out a couple of things I didn't like recently about jcarl myself. Yeah maybe he should have posted more last night but that's it. I liked his case, I liked how he approached plans in the early game, I don't really see why he's mafia | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote: I never wanted tryndamere, and I didn't want another town to take it. Figured that would be the best way, and town would understand. Kinda awkward now that LSB has it, but it's not scummy for either of us I think, especially since he claimed it. I'm glad you noticed, I initially had another block of text about the voters on Urgot, but I convinced myself it didn't hold water except for jcarl. Geript I was still suspicious of, but not for the reasons I was going to give. The other two, Mig and justanothertownie, I liked as town, so I axed the whole section and just picked up where the analysis began. You are really smart BC. This really is the only stuff in his whole filter i don't like, and I don't think it's enough for me to vote him. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:03 bumatlarge wrote: My interactions with him have been far from a scumread. He seems like a potentially strong townie presence. He did vote himself though...(?) How did you miss where he clarified that was a formatting error in his very next post after? :< | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:56 geript wrote: What's bullshit about it is that all those geript pushes were the exact same but you were more than happy to lead the voting there. What's bullshit is that you keep talking about Oats at the expense of anything else when Oats isn't getting lynched. Shape up. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:03 bumatlarge wrote: I honestly don't think we should lynch LSB, he has to be some Village Idiot, or tryndamere gets some suicidal bonus. We all know LSB is a good enough player to as both town and scum to know posting what he's posting is NOT OK. It's a hunch, but I think I'm right. He started gunning for me as soon as I went for jcarl. Can we try to lynch jcarl instead? He jumped on me the second LSB said I should be policy lynched and didn't vote me. bum, how do these two things together make sense? You don't think LSB is mafia, but you think LSB "coincidentally" went for you as soon as you went for jcarl? Surely that SUPPORTS the idea that LSB is mafia?? (if you think jcarl is mafia) Why would Village Idiot or SuicideBonus dude (lol) gun for you when you went for jcarl, other than they'd be mafia together? | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I think he's saying they scum buddies but he's afraid to lynch LSB because Tryn ult. Why would you think something so weird? He literally said he didn't think LSB was mafia. | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:42 bumatlarge wrote: Your reasons are pretty bad, just because I'm acting weird, doesn't mean I'm mafia. Which is pretty much what you are saying. Do you think LSB is mafia? Why are you acting weird then? | ||
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On December 03 2013 22:49 geript wrote: Rayn's gotten in bitchfests about people voting his town reads. That's not uncommon at all. His pick is a very interesting claim too because it'll justify him being around for a few days as well (big shield for 4 phases or something). I think you're wrong obv. But can you explain the BAL scum logic. Remember to use little words because I'm stupid and bad at the game. He's gonna be shielding Koshi... I guarantee you that you are not wrong, and you shouldn't waste time on this. | ||
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On December 03 2013 21:46 sandroba wrote: A lot of dirt throwing on LSB, but never straight out calls him scum for it, he just continues to ride his early post. I don't see a townie doing this like bum is doing. All of these 3 posts I just don't see it comming from a townie ever. This post actually seems much stronger now that bum has come out and said LSB is mafia. If bum thinks that I don't know why he waffled around like sandroba is showing here. Also don't know why bum is just posting some random unimportant shit when people are asking him actual questions. | ||
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On December 03 2013 23:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Hey now there's something interesting. I had totally forgotten that he was dressing up using his power as bum cannon. *snorts* | ||
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I did answer his questions after rayn posted again. I've been in a few games with rayn where he called me mafia because I didn't line up with his thought process, though he seems to have gotten over that which is nice. I don't really understand why you're nitpicking at me because it should be fairly obvious I'm town by this stage, much the same as you're having a go at geript for calling rayn mafia when rayn is obviously town (which has already been done by me indeed, but you may as well do it again, right?) | ||
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If you're town, play to win. I've never known you be a lazy bastard before and I don't want it to be in a game that I'm playing, your wifom excuse of enjoying playing mafia aside. | ||
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On December 04 2013 00:01 geript wrote: Mind explaining the Bum thing to me. You know so I can actually understand wtf you're saying. Well you should simply read sandroba's posts rather than mine, to be honest. 1.Called jcarl mafia then used that as an excuse not to do anything else 2.Danced around calling LSB mafia without ever calling LSB mafia (only to do so later) + random bullshit about LSB being Village Idiot 3.Strange justification for JonnyLaw read Also personally 4.I believe sandroba is town and he feels strongly about this, and I can understand it. Personally I like 2. the best. | ||
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On December 04 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote: DO NOT LYNCH BUM. I think it's literally impossible for scum to think this way. His thought process is so freaking town. kush, I'd believe this much more if he'd actually expressed proper suspicions on LSB before, rather than just vaguely flinging shit like sandroba showed. Do you see what I mean? | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:11 kushm4sta wrote: case against bum: contradictions flinging vague shit Town do both of these things all the time. In the hypothetical situation that bum was town, I would expect behavior that was tryhard and scared. That comes from his level of experience and his personality. "Contradictions" and "flinging vague shit" are only scumtells when the player is not scared (a more experienced player) and not tryhard. You realise he's played like 30+ games, yes? | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:16 bumatlarge wrote: Yeah go figure. This is what I get for not playing for a year. I don't know half these people. I'm curious why you haven't tried to interact with your main scumread (jcarl) at all, given for example you've both been in the thread for the last couple hours. Flicking through one of your earlier games, I noted that you stated that you relied on interactions with other players, and that's conspicuously absent regarding your read on jcarl. On December 01 2011 04:02 bumatlarge wrote: I think it's a bit rash to insult my play when I have never played with most of the scum team (coagulations not included). I rely pretty heavily on interactions in mafia games, and interacting with Palmar or WBG is like trying to kiss a furnace. I think you two need to lighten up. You can catch scum without spraying mace at everyone who tries to approach you. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:27 Rean wrote: Sorry for the inactivity guys, was feeling out of it and figured I'd be okay if I skipped the first 24 hours of day but ended up forgetting about it entirely ._. Also, I really dislike being scum, I felt so damn pressured and paniced anytime anyone even mentioned me. Thank god for Rayn <3 (please don't hate me now) Still think Rean is mafia. | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:37 marvellosity wrote: From Back to the basics Still think Rean is mafia. Sorry, just to reiterate here. Rean's last post in this game was: On December 03 2013 04:26 Rean wrote: actually he claimed he managed to pick a role that should have been picked earlier. 8 hours later he found the time to post in the post-game for Back to the basics, yet didn't find the time to even pop his head in here. | ||
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On December 04 2013 01:59 jcarlsoniv wrote: Marv, do you think it's worth trying to make a case for Rean today? There's very little case to be made other than stuff that's already been posted about him. In brief, I'm not really sure I want to push him over bum at the moment, but I can't tell you very accurately why I do or don't. At any rate, he's a player to heavily keep in mind if bum suddenly starts shitting townie rainbows or something. | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:19 gtrsrs wrote: oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon) i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently How does any of this help us lynch mafia today? If you're town I understand you may be trying to help, but late in a day phase, the important thing is to get a correct lynch. Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this. | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:25 gtrsrs wrote: there should be no confusion, as i have clarified >i don't have any good scum reads >i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be >i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted. thanks for understanding  Tonnes of consequence has been posted :/ I hate belittling of the very useful Day 1 like this. There's also a difference between "not as aggressive as I used to be" and "I'm now totally useless whereas before I wasn't". You're closer to the 2nd, which is unfortunate. | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:39 justanothertownie wrote: Also question for rayn and marv (anybody else may answer aswell but I want those opinions especially): are there any kind of roles that should definitely claim in your opinion? I'm not really setup-man so I don't have any particular opinion other than what I've already stated - claimed VTs should claim what they tried to choose originally. There are probably ones that I missed but this includes Rean Mocsta OdinofPergo I'm sure various claiming will be useful at some point but I don't think that point is now. | ||
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On December 04 2013 02:43 Rean wrote: I don't give a fuck if he does this regularly, there is NO WAY anyone should be allowed to say that ever. There's no way a townie should have said literally nothing about anything this late on Day 1 either, but here we are with you, aren't we? | ||
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On December 04 2013 08:13 Mig wrote: VE do you think bum is mafia? You are switching off of LSB just because you are lazy or what? Marv/sandorba any concerns with everyone jumping on Bum without hesitation? Stick about if you're about. I'm only just about. My aboutness is ready. | ||
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It's pretty worrying that literally no other wagon has formed or been pushed by anyone since we started on bum. Everyone kinda just hopped on. I don't really know how much of that is a byproduct of the fact that the early voters are all highly influential players (sandroba, marv, Mig) and what mafia would be actually doing if bum is mafia. Maybe they just can't do anything. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:31 geript wrote: Is this like you're agreeing with me thing or a "you're out of your fucking mind again geript" thing? It's a "I just got to his post in the thread and it's fucking terrible thing". His last 3 posts On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote: My reasoning for going after Marv is because I played a good scum game and I'm very wary of him cause he won the game for his team. Would scum go after a Vet like Marv let alone my scum play. I basically lurk super hard as scum I wouldn't go after someone like Marv because that would draw unwanted attention. Regardless read my meta or drop the case, cause its shit. On December 03 2013 06:50 jaybrundage wrote: VE gimme some of your scum reads so I can go reread filters later tonite. On December 04 2013 07:56 jaybrundage wrote: I really liked LSB's post about Bum. Also sandro's had some good points too. ##Vote Bumatlarge Also i have been seeing this crop up. I'm a VT I tried to take lux. Last post is almost directly a scumclaim it feels like. I don't know if I'm overreacting. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:35 geript wrote: What do you think of the paranoid argument. I do actually like your thinking with the paranoid stuff, but I don't know if that's "it", if you know what I mean. Which you probably don't. Generally speaking I agree with you that his semi-not-really push on me feels off in some way. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:42 Mig wrote: Yea just read it. If that was jay's plan (attack you for town cred) would he just instantly say it in the thread? And most mafia players have heightened self awareness if they say in thread if I lurk I am mafia they don't generally just lurk afterwards. Seems pretty shallow and dumb. Then again if he fake claimed Lux with the 2nd to last pick that is pretty dumb also. Such a dumb claim. I will say though him focusing you then coming in and liking LSB's post for why bum is mafia when LSB probably had the weakest points is also pretty bad. One other thing, I asked him if he could explain why he took Lux. He disappeared and didn't answer but then later on did vote in the voting thread. So either he is very lazy and isn't even reading the thread this close to lynch or he is actively lurking. From what I know of jay, his thought process doesn't really go more than one step ahead. So attack marv ----> take some heat -----> say "why would I attack marv" doesn't seem an unlikely progression to me if he is actually mafia. His popping in with his last post is really what is driving at me. The lurking thing is just some optional extra. Just the way he came into the thread with that post and left again man. So bad. | ||
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On December 04 2013 05:00 Onegu wrote: So Im on page 66 rigjt now and it 3am. I promise I will catch up tomorrow, but deadline is in 7 hours. So I am right now confident in my ability to read rayn and believe he is town as he was the first person to really start scum hunting. So I am going to sheep him and consolidate, as close to where I am reading people said it was really important not to have outlander votes so people can analyze it. So I should be up before deadline amd get somemore reading in. ##Vote:bumatlarge This read on rayn seems really overblown. It doesn't take a genius to work out the guy with easily the longest filter is probably town. Also too much explanation on why he's parking his vote where he's parking his vote. | ||
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On December 04 2013 09:52 JonnyLaw wrote: Jay's obviously not helping the town but why does his last post bother you so much? Is it the comment that he likes LSB's read on Bum? That post doesn't say much to me. His initial attack on you seems motivated by how much you burned his ass in the last game more than anything. I see where it could be used to gain town cred but what a weird way to go about it. Basically last time he posted he was promising to read filters and contribute to the game. He comes back to the thread with some indication that he has in fact read the thread (enough to mention LSB and sandro and what they said about bum) but literally has no other contribution of note. He's totally opted out of doing anything today, which fits in much more with how he plays mafia than how he plays town. He seems to have zero interest in thinking critically about the game or doing anything. It reads like he made that post because he HAD to, not because he wanted to. | ||
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On December 04 2013 03:42 justanothertownie wrote: Does anyone else see the logical problem here? He lists Tryndamere as mafia role, claims someone who picks a mafia role is scum if he uses it, picks Tryndamere and wants to use it although nobody disputes his claim. There is NO REASON for him to pick this role at all because he is dead last on the draft list. I don't get why it is horrible to sit on your role. If you are lynched Day2 it won't be because you did not verify your roleclaim. If LSB is scum it makes sense for him to roleclaim after he found out how useless his ability truely is (50 dmg...). If it was more powerful he could have saved this for the right moment or he could have fakeclaimed. Add to this how he did almost nothing besides going roleclaim, roleclaim, roleclaim... Going to look at JonnyLaw and Bum filters now. On December 04 2013 03:57 sandroba wrote: People voting LSB here is what I think: It is only possible LSB is scum if bum is scum. If Bum is town and LSB is scum, LSB wouldn't have taken trynn, because his team would have told him not to do so since Bum was probably going to take it. If Bum is scum and LSB is scum, he could have dropped it to LSB, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario. If Bum is scum and LSB is town and just replaced in and didn't read bum's plans he could have went for tryn. This seems likely to me because LSB only noticed Bum didn't follow his own plan after BC called out bum on it. The other scenario is bum and lsb are town, which is also possible. But the base line is, if you think LSB is scum vote Bum first. I bet you any amount you want that if LSB was scum and just replaced in he would have consulted with his team before picking something and they would have told him Bum was planning on picking trynn. By and large I agree with sandro's reasoning I think, and I noted your post down jat because I agreed with the first half of your post when I read it. LSB posted stuff about it in the interim and I have no idea at all if I buy what he says. I just don't know lol. | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:15 austinmcc wrote: Oh, Kurumi likely town for saying BC starting people banning urgot was good because urgot's other ability likely a bus (odd thought, figuring out game, no need for scum to add that), and I think was right about MZ's potato-ness. Don't really give a fuck who you think is town, who is mafia? | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:15 jaybrundage wrote: I find this line of thinking dumb. As if everyone that has a vote is gonna add a completely profound line of thought that is unique of everyone else's. I'm fucking sheeping. I'm not gonna make up a bullshit reason why I'm voting for Bum. I could quote the post's I liked. But wouldnt make a difference my action is the same. It's not sheeping as a standalone thing that's the problem, jay. It's sheeping while providing literally nothing of any value to the town at any other point, nothing that suggests you've bothered to think about the game. | ||
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e.g. I brought up a post from the past where bum said he relied heavily on interactions to help solve the game. bum's reply was that he didn't really care to interact with jcarl, because he thought he was mafia, he only wanted to hear his defence. This is really wtf to me. Once I started getting interested in bum, I started bringing up things and asking him about lots of stuff. This seems to me to be the "normal" reaction to thinking someone is mafia. Seems odd, to say the least, that he went from "i think jcarl is town" at some point in the game to "jcarl is so scummy I don't even want to interact with him" ugh | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:28 supersoft wrote: you didnt quote that post, marv. :-o Because this post makes me think about the LBS/Bum thing... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086¤tpage=113#2253 ^_^ | ||
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On December 04 2013 10:29 VisceraEyes wrote: More unhelpful than Roffles sitting in the Voting thread speaking exclusively with votes? Given I'm not thinking about lynching Roffles today, then yes, much more unhelpful. | ||
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jay's posting just gets worse and worse. And not in a bad-townie way. In a I'm-trying-to-make-light-of-the-fact-I-don't-give-a-shit-about-the-game way. | ||
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On December 04 2013 11:00 justanothertownie wrote: It is a sweet post but why oh why do you take the little time you have to rhyme instead of trying to convince us that you are town? I will never understand this kind of behaviour it was the same with iamp in noir. I agree with this. And I have to go to bed. If for some reason Mig wants to move off bum because bum posts something else amazing, then maybe listen to him. Otherwise I'm going to leave my vote on bum and cross my fingers. | ||
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On December 04 2013 17:44 Promethelax wrote: I can't comment on timings because I wasn't here for them. Were Jay's actions scummy? Undoubtedly. Were his actions possible from a town jay? Equally undoubtedly. The kid can be a lurk machine. Please provide evidence for this, as far as I'm aware (and quickly glancing through TL Mafia Database) this is simply totally untrue. | ||
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On December 04 2013 12:27 VisceraEyes wrote: It's not, that's why I called him an unreadable troll. I'm not so sure. So far, I have him leaning on the scummy side. Usually he'll have said something by now. | ||
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On December 04 2013 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idon't know what makes you think he is playing well? He played "well" in LXI aswell, not shitting up the thread, making cases and so on. He is not actually doing anything useful here. Vigi should shoot him. No they shouldn't. Lazy metric incoming - geript had 13 pages of filter in LXI over what, 7 or 8 cycles? He's on 9 pages here on Night 1. A pretty good reason to be looking elsewhere right now. | ||
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On December 04 2013 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: MZ what do you think of this: Do you think VE is just lazy or does he have some other agenda of not really wanting to lynch LSB? For me it didn't really seem like he was trying to lynch his top read. I'm not really sure this is true or fair. I think he did actually. It's also a bit of a struggle to imagine that probably the highest-placed scumplayer on the draft would really pick Lux for some WIFOM-reasons when it's a useless role for mafia to pick. | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So is Koshi scum, he has usually at least 12 pages of filter after 2 day phases? Okay vigi should not shoot geript, vigis should shoot all the people with 1 page of filter. But it does not change the fact that geript is scum. He is good player as town and this is nowhere near good. Like kushmasta who clearly does has not cared about the game besides one read has done much more. geript has shouted to peole left and right and had some scumreads i have no idea why they are scum. I think geript is town. Simply enough. Don't think he'd be this active or care this much as mafia. Maybe the way he pushed Oats is bad or something but that doesn't make him mafia. Don't see why you think geript is good as town (no offence geript) but I also think plenty of what he said evidenced proper thinking about the game. He was wrong about bum (so was I) but he picked out bum's progression on the jcarl read, he said interesting things about jay's paranoia on his read on me (whether correct or not) and other interesting things. I just don't see why he should be mafia. Koshi often has really slow starts to games. My notes in LXII I gave him a weird townread because I couldn't believe he'd be so useless as mafia. In ## I was suspicious on Day 1 for being useless and by mid-Day 2 he was my strongest townread. | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i can aswell the stop playing if we are going to just lynch lurkers. Impossible to tell someone like Coag's or Rean's alignment.Yeah, i can lynch both of them. We never just "lynch lurkers" especially on Day 2. Cephiro was a "lurker" but I was still very sure he was mafia. By and large I agree with Prome's sentiments on Jonny. Mostly I'm just sad I let myself forget about it when sand started pushing bum at me. Don't actually remember Jonny doing anything except the fact he got called out, came in shouting about it, then disappeared again. | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: So i don't understand. Why is ticklishmusic excused from his bad meta read on me (i am still a bit bitter on this) but JohnnyLaw can still be scum when he has done some meta-research. Ugh, i hate when people hold different standards to different people. Of course people are held to different standards? That's part of why mafia is interesting, what is a scumtell for one person may be a towntell for another person, or infinite other examples. You're going to hold grush to the same standard as Palmar? jaybrundage to the same standard as Foolishness? If syllogism makes bad leaps of logic or doesn't pick up on something he should, he's damn likely to be mafia, but so many average players will routinely make the same mistakes as town. Weird thing to complain about really. | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: And actually, nobody is allowd to use "do you think mafia would pick role X at spot Y?". Because i will ask you do you think mafia would pick CPRdoctor at spot #20? Well they, would, di, and got it. There's a big difference from crossing your fingers and picking an insanely strong mafia role at the bottom of a draft, and wasting completely a very high draft position as mafia to pick a town-only role. (if we're doing the VE example) | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't see the difference between those players. ticklishmusic has not played here, JonnyLaw is quite new. So what's the difference? There's a difference between not-playing at all and being relatively new, by the way. Just check Jonny's first and second newbie games, they look quite different. Otherwise it's about the other stuff that they've posted too. Of all the lurkers I think ticklish looks kinda townish really. Saw something he posted in my catchup about some interactions between a few players. Non-routine thinking, seems ok. | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:42 Promethelax wrote: Also, explain away my uneasy feelings about geript's post about having no bans. Give me a new explanation that gels with him being town. Given the tone of the post, I'm not sure why you're taking it seriously at all? | ||
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On December 04 2013 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: Yeah marv, i worded my post poorly, last post of mine is what my concern is. Of course different players should be treated differently, i just don't see the difference between those two guys and therefore i don't understand the different treatment. Also keep in mind that every character has another power. It's not badfor scum to pick a DT-role now that i think of it. I think i actually argued with LSB about it early on in the game. I would totally pick DT if i was scum. Easy to fake reports and good "fakeclaim" for your other power (because you should never use your other power unless it's a vigi shot and you have confirmed scum). I'm not going to keep talking about this, so probably the last post on this specific subject matter. Regardless of alignments, I think it's fairly obvious that JonnyLaw and ticklish are not exactly the same sort of player. I can only judge by what's in front of me. Looks like you're judging differently, fine. Atm I back my judgement on what I've seen from ticklish. Re: picking powers. Still think it's unlikely, even if you'd supposedly do it. Just don't see the point like I said, it's just WIFOM reasons, it's a really meh reason. Hmmmm. hmmm. Well... the good reason to pick it as mafia is that so town don't get it actually. That maybe changes things on that front. I do feel good about VE specifically for agreeing with me vs sandroba on the Mocsta vs MZ thing. sandroba said they both looked dodgy, and VE jumped in saying that he didn't really see why MZ was looking dodgy from that, which at the time is exactly what I was thinking (I came in and +1 VE effectively). I dunno. I think VE is town, but I'm more wary than I was when I started this post. | ||
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Like for a non-LoL example: DNA kit - swab player X and find out who player X visited the previous night, and also whichever other players were at player X's target, and also who visisted player X. (like a supergood tracker+watcher that makes sense). I dunno, play around with stuff like that maybe? | ||
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On December 05 2013 00:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also I looked through roffles's filter and its complete shit. He is needlessly aggressive and displays a disturbing amount of apathy towards this game. So? That applies to 10 players or something this game. From the mafia database, Roffles' last played (town) game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517&user=Roffles&view=all You think he gave a shit in that filter? | ||
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On December 05 2013 00:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't remember ever playing with roffles so if there's a meta excuse for acting like an ass I wasn't familiar. I think Roffles is well known on TL as a whole for being a reasonably aggressive sort of chap. My point in general was that "he's doing nothing/being an ass/some other annoying thing" is sadly not a reason enough on its own, because it applies to too many people. So a check on meta for these people is useful. (kush) Rean (ticklish) gtrsrs Roffles Onegu Risen Kenpachi Coagulation jaybrundage Gotta try to pick between these sorts of players somehow. | ||
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On December 05 2013 01:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Well Roffles filter seems different there, like he really doesnt give a fuck, but here hes like talking to dudes, somewhat. So more tryhardy a bit. Scummy. I don't think that conclusion is correct. Trying more + interacting more ---> scummier isn't really a conclusion I agree with. Not that I'm sure or anything. | ||
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On December 04 2013 05:03 Coagulation wrote: ##vote bum I find this vote kinda interesting. coag coming in and going "lol town haha" or words to that effect after the lynch isn't actually that unusual for coag. But usually coag is pretty happy as town to be the one with a hipster vote. Here he actually joined the main wagon for no particular reason but still did the poke-fun thing. It's not much but it's maybe interesting. | ||
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On December 05 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote: I scumhunted so hard that I made Kurumi get himself modkilled. I got 6 pages of filter and I am the only one that did anything with the number vote thingies which we will all remember once people start flipping. On top of that I have answered each question asked to me honestly and quickly. The onle thing I did not donis gave you a list with the entire scumteam on. HOW DARE I. Instead of creating scenarios in which Kurumi has a green check. Why dont you fucking discuss my lenghty case on Kurumi or the points that I raise about him? Given you like to game stuff like this, I'm surprised you're pursuing this after Kurumi's statement that he wanted to be modkilled/replaced in the thread | ||
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On December 05 2013 02:02 kushm4sta wrote: Kochi I'd pretty much confirmed town in my book. Weird if you to jump in like this oats...what do you think your post Just added? Why are you town m What Oats said wasn't weird at all, it's actually completely typical of Oats, as you very well know. Therefore you posting this is actually the weird thing. Why are you asking this? | ||
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On December 05 2013 02:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So the content of what he posted doesn't matter, only that he posted? Well broadcast the fucking message to the scum team, all you guys need to do is post a halfassed analysis and koshi will call you town. This is one of the worst posts in the game. | ||
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It's completely ridiculous and over the top. My reaction was almost identical to Koshi's actually. What happened when I read jay's post? Something like: I sat there and thought huh, that's interesting. Let's look in these spoilers. Oh yeah, VE did do that stuff jay said. He's actually gone and researched this. Hmm, this is an interesting perspective which gave some thought. *goes to move jay back from scummy to null in spreadsheet*. I wonder if it genuinely makes VE scummy or if it's just coincidence? Probably just coincidence for now, but it's interesting at any rate. Instead you go on full-bitch about it about half-assed analysis and broadcast to the scumteam and other over the top nonsense? Really? | ||
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On December 05 2013 02:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So the content of what he posted doesn't matter, only that he posted? Well broadcast the fucking message to the scum team, all you guys need to do is post a halfassed analysis and koshi will call you town. Even the way this is worded doesn't come from the perspective that you think Koshi is mafia, it's couched in the terms of Koshi's message to the scumteam, with the implication that Koshi is not of the scumteam. It's all pretty weird to be honest Meapak. Do you think jay's analysis is half-assed? Because that's what you said. Or is it hyperbole? If it's hyperbole, why? | ||
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On December 05 2013 02:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The whole message to the scumteam bit is supposed to sound sarcastic but apparently that didn't translate. I honestly haven't looked too closely at jay's analysis, I just read it and saw koshi's response. No, it did translate, the point is that consciously or subconsciously, those are the terms you phrased your attack in. And you felt it was ok to attack Koshi's stance on what jay had just said without having really read what jay just said? Colour me unimpressed. | ||
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On December 05 2013 05:15 Promethelax wrote: marv, austin and Rayn please comment on the validity of town reading Ticklish and Jay off of the fact that they forgot to send in picks during the number phase. I believe this is a valid heuristic and would like input on the subject. You'll notice I haven't really commented on it this game, and if I haven't commented on it it probably means I don't feel strongly about it either way :p I believe it's perfectly possible for a mafia to intend to submit numbers but then afk and forget, and if you've afked and forgotten, all the shouting in the world in the QT will make no difference because you're not gonna read it. That said I don't mind ticklish atm and I may be coming round on jay, so meh. I'll be reading these 2 players without attaching too much importance to forgetting numberpicking. | ||
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On December 05 2013 05:47 VisceraEyes wrote: /ignored. /all Please report Promethelax for being a douche-twat feeding assbag. I don't know what's better, this string of profanities or the fact that Greymist randomly came charging into this game to warn about it. Either way I'm terribly amused. I'm sure I should be mortified or something. Go Greymist! Go VE! Please, if anyone wants a bit of relief, imagine VE shaking his fist, and actually say that string of insults out loud. Go on. | ||
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rayn said it was very likely that Jonny was town for proactively proposing plans during the draft phase. I'm not really sure why that's true or why I should believe it. The fact it was true in one or two past games of his does not necessarily make it true here. And rayn's townreads like this are simply not always correct. But it's annoying because he feels strongly about it, so I just end up writing a waffly paragraph like this about it just to demonstrate how waffly I feel about it. What gtrsrs says about jcarl's response to accusations is interesting, and it's also something that can be looked at by looking at some of his past games, which I will do come Day 2 (because i'm too lazy to now). If people want to do this, obviously look at games from both alignments. There might be something to find there. | ||
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No strawberries (extremely scummy) Strawberries on their own (mildly scummy) Strawberries and sugar (null) Strawberries, sugar, and cream (kinda townie) Strawberries, sugar, and cream; with champagne (very townie) | ||
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On December 05 2013 06:57 Coagulation wrote: im it should be dropped strawberries on floor and dog licked them (extremely scummy) dropped Strawberries on floor (mildly scummy) Strawberries (null) Strawberries, sugar, and cream (kinda townie) Strawberries, sugar, and cream; with champagne (very townie) Very well. This is the new gold standard for assessing scumminess. Let our scumhunting be delicious in nature. | ||
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On December 05 2013 02:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Break down on people who actively play against their win conditions. I have noticed as someone whos played this game off and on for years that my biggest factor in how much I get angry/flip out is people who actively play against their win conditions. That point on its own will help significantly in dealing with the hostility created in these games. Tensions are always going to be high in a game of mafia, but if you remove the acceptance of the "dont care" attitude a ton of people have and force them to care about the game and play properly the behaviour will shift. There are other things we as a community could surely do, but as someone whos played for years the biggest thing I have noticed is the shift of acceptance towards people who just troll and do shit for fun rather than try to win. I'd be happy for all town KP to hit Rean. | ||
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On December 05 2013 07:19 Rean wrote: Not everyone has to play the same way you play or the way you think they should play. I'm most certainly not trying to make town lose. Yes, you are directly trying to make town lose with the way you are playing. I never suggested that you have to play how I think you should play. However, fundamentally speaking the game is about lynching mafia, and the primary responsibilities for a townie are Finding and lynching mafia Establishing your towniness You are not doing this, therefore you are effectively directly playing against your win condition if you are town. | ||
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On December 05 2013 09:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: I highly disagree with this. He might not be trying to lynch me in particular. But it's a fairly easy case for him to start because bum was tunneling me, and he just flipped green. It's an easy transition for him to make. And the case was incredibly flimsy. Long, detailed, but full of fabrications and reading red from nothing. Everything you've said about geript has been flimsy as fuck. Far flimsier than what you're accusing gtrsrs of. | ||
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On December 05 2013 09:28 geript wrote: Also, now that Warwick is out. I think it's a good time for everyone to claim their player and champion. I'm Uzi and I'm playing twitch. Why did you choose that hero? | ||
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Jonny, I think you're mafia, but that can wait for another time. Your weird interjection kinda massages that read. Anyway, enough from me for now. I'm out until tomorrow/death. | ||
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On December 24 2013 04:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: honestly, you could totally reuse a lot of the champion roles that were used - there are so many cool interactions with abilities I'm actually really glad I took Thresh - his lantern could be scary for some coordinated stuff in the hands of scum That reminds me, I wonder why Mocsta tried for Fiddlesticks? Seems an odd role to go for. I went for Fiddlesticks because I was pretty low in the draft and he hadn't been talked about, and his ability seemed to mesh well with my style (self-heal because i'd be hit, and steals HP so relies on me hitting mafia for the role to be proper effective, which I did n1 before I replaced) | ||
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On December 24 2013 05:47 geript wrote: Just because that type of play has been around since the Stone Age it doesn't mean that type of play should be allowed. It doesn't matter it it were Coag or Marv Tautology. | ||
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