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On December 03 2013 07:58 geript wrote:I THOUGHT YOU LOVED ME NOT MARV VE!!!!! YOU HAVE BETRAYED AND TRAMPLED ON MY LOVE FOR THE LAST TIME. WE ARE DONE!!!! No really you can call me whenever you want my number is 8675309
ok
##vote: geript
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I like your case Koshi, but I'm sick of geript's shit
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On December 03 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:53 justanothertownie wrote:On December 03 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this". Don't forget half of the abilities are hidden to us. It won't be that easy. It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open.
but how do you hold people accountable for actions when we only know half of the actions in the game?
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On December 03 2013 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:59 justanothertownie wrote:On December 03 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 03 2013 08:53 justanothertownie wrote:On December 03 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mass-claim will always be the best idea in games where there are mass roles. It's just.. it just is because it's easy to separate people from lying / telling the truth. And people who are telling the truth will work for town's plans. People who are lying are mafia. If mafia want's to lie they need to take a risk in "will i get caught doing this". Don't forget half of the abilities are hidden to us. It won't be that easy. It doesn't matter if the setup is closed, open, or semi-open. Hm... I don't know. I don't really see the big benefit. If scum knows who is who they can coordinate their actions much better. Scum can always coordinate their actions well because they have a team. Cooperation is a MUST for the town when everyone has a role. Otherwise people will just screw each other over when they for example roleblock scummy people (who end up being town) who have roles that are good for town. If we massclaim we can coordinate all actions at towns best interest. If someone does not do what they are supposed to, they risk of being lynched due to lying, it does not matter if they are town or scum, you just coordinate all the powers regardless of affiliation. Someone fucks up = lynch. Of course scum might lie and not get caught, but if they lie on N1 they misght get caught on N4 for example, when people flip and we are able to confirm roles/actions. Knowing all actions and assumed roles at all times is highly beneficial because there is no room for scum to hide with power.
There is plenty of room for scum to hide. There is, in fact half a game's worth of roles for them to hide.
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On December 03 2013 09:12 Kenpachi wrote: god you of all people to call me out. Yeah gut read honestly. Reason being if geript is town, jcarls chainsawed him pretty hard. let that be the story.
How in the world did I chainsaw geript? I pressured rayn, geript came flying at me for little reason, he has looked scummier ever since.
@Rayn: care to explain ticklish?
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On December 03 2013 09:23 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 09:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 03 2013 09:12 Kenpachi wrote: god you of all people to call me out. Yeah gut read honestly. Reason being if geript is town, jcarls chainsawed him pretty hard. let that be the story. How in the world did I chainsaw geript? I pressured rayn, geript came flying at me for little reason, he has looked scummier ever since. @Rayn: care to explain ticklish? Well it was effective if it wasn't a chainsaw. I may have misused the term but I saw it as a redirection of the thread's somewhat pressure on you and I didn't agree with your tone and execution but the message is what i do agree with Then again thinking about it, it's too early to say it was anything specific
Way to stay committed to your opinion, even under a tiny bit of pressure.
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On December 03 2013 11:14 geript wrote: I'm really confused by all these guys who think I might be scum. There's like 110% town flip for me based on my play alone. I really don't get it.
Well you're certainly making it easy to feel good keeping my vote on you.
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On December 03 2013 11:24 Mocsta wrote: Jcarl
Geript aside. Thoughts on jonny?
I wouldn't be completely distraught if the lynch ended up going that way.
The small case marv brought up is based somewhat on meta, so I can't really say too much about it. The posts you brought up as contradictions are kinda contradictions, it is a little bit of a stretch. But he has done fairly little in terms of actually being useful in the game. I wouldn't put him as a priority lynch today.
But I do agree with him, I don't like the way kush is playing right now. I don't know why he's being so lacksidaisical about the way he's playing.
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On December 03 2013 11:40 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 11:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:On December 03 2013 11:24 Mocsta wrote: Jcarl
Geript aside. Thoughts on jonny? I wouldn't be completely distraught if the lynch ended up going that way. The small case marv brought up is based somewhat on meta, so I can't really say too much about it. The posts you brought up as contradictions are kinda contradictions, it is a little bit of a stretch. But he has done fairly little in terms of actually being useful in the game. I wouldn't put him as a priority lynch today. But I do agree with him, I don't like the way kush is playing right now. I don't know why he's being so lacksidaisical about the way he's playing. Contradictions was rayn btw
Thought that's who I was responding to. My mistake.
@bum - the sequence of events was this:
During ban/pick stage, I acknowledged that I was treating these phases as a primer for the actual game. Then after picks, it's sleepy time. In the time it took for me to sleep through the night, 16 pages happened, where you created a case against me. I have been playing fairly consistently ever since. It's not like I've just all of a sudden started posting more.
In my mind, the game started for actually trying once picks were over. Your case has weakened substantially since that time.
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But...but guys...I really want to kill geript.
You guys keep sitting there giving him second chances because "oh, silly Soniv, that's just how geript plays!"
He keeps making really awful posts in the noise of other discussion. Just within the night, he has these two gems:
On December 03 2013 22:29 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 22:14 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 21:56 geript wrote:On December 03 2013 16:22 Oatsmaster wrote:I dont understand all these Kush pushes. I think Kush is scummy still regardless of meta. If a player is known for playing badly and plays badly push them for more if they're town. If not, push them get a scum read. Why are you guys so comfortable letting him sit around flinging dirt on everyone then bandwagoning whatever is convenient?
Sounds like you want to lynch kush for bad play rather than for being scum. Which one is it? What's bullshit about it is that all those geript pushes were the exact same but you were more than happy to lead the voting there. What's bullshit is that you keep talking about Oats at the expense of anything else when Oats isn't getting lynched. Shape up. There aren't other horses I like. I don't trust Oats push on LSB. Sure the Oats scum storyline makes sense, "Well I can't drop this because it's not happening because then people will instantly call me scum for not 'believing in /pushing' my plan". Sure it makes sense, but the flip side is also true as town you're likely to push that shit regardless. Also, Rayn I'm pretty sure is scum. He was a big push in the graves ban. More importantly town Rayn doesn't consider voting his early town reads. Like never and especially not D1. I think he's being opportunistic in who he's targeting.
Even though he had his vote on me for a while, he doesn't mention me at all. Apparently I wasn't a good enough horse to mention at all. But then he mentions Rayn, who, in my mind, is fairly obviously town at this point.
On December 03 2013 22:49 geript wrote:Rayn's gotten in bitchfests about people voting his town reads. That's not uncommon at all. His pick is a very interesting claim too because it'll justify him being around for a few days as well (big shield for 4 phases or something). I think you're wrong obv. But can you explain the BAL scum logic. Remember to use little words because I'm stupid and bad at the game.
Noob claim, even sarcastically, is useless and just smears up any credibility he has.
As time goes on, I'm more convinced he's scum.
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I'm totally cool with killing gtrsrs at this point as well. He shows up and can get away with making really terrible posts because the spotlight has fallen off him quite a bit.
I'm still unsure on LSB - none of what he is doing makes that much sense from a town perspective, but I'm not sure he's mafia either. He is claiming Tryn - if his movement ability is used, I say he dies immediately.
Sandro, I see your case for bum, and it makes a lot of sense. I'm wary to get behind it because I'm worried that my opinion is a bit heavily influenced by OMGUS and I would be totally ok with seeing him go.
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Summary: Vote is staying on geript, I refuse to let him get away with this absolutely abysmal play. Towards the end of the day, I could get behind gtrsrs or, depending on how things develop for him, bum.
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@jat: what was the purpose of that post, aside from linking quotes from 4 different people to make it really long?
So you don't like the way M_Z is attacking LSB, but you think LSB should die. Do you think M_Z is scum?
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jat, I'm fine with you quoting posts to respond to, that's normal.
that doesn't excuse the fact that you didn't actually say anything in your post
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On December 04 2013 00:03 kushm4sta wrote:DO NOT LYNCH BUM. I think it's literally impossible for scum to think this way. His thought process is so freaking town. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 22:39 bumatlarge wrote:On December 03 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2013 22:03 bumatlarge wrote: I honestly don't think we should lynch LSB, he has to be some Village Idiot, or tryndamere gets some suicidal bonus. We all know LSB is a good enough player to as both town and scum to know posting what he's posting is NOT OK. It's a hunch, but I think I'm right.
He started gunning for me as soon as I went for jcarl. Can we try to lynch jcarl instead? He jumped on me the second LSB said I should be policy lynched and didn't vote me.
bum, how do these two things together make sense? You don't think LSB is mafia, but you think LSB "coincidentally" went for you as soon as you went for jcarl? Surely that SUPPORTS the idea that LSB is mafia?? (if you think jcarl is mafia) Why would Village Idiot or SuicideBonus dude (lol) gun for you when you went for jcarl, other than they'd be mafia together? I do think he's mafia, but he's being too silly about it. I guess I'd rather not be bamboozled rather then win. Matter of pride. I mean it's just a hunch. Thinking it over again, it's probably too narrow to play around and I can't imagine his ability would be that bad for us if it makes it good for mafia to get lynched. Almost anyone over jonnylaw would be better IMO.
Do you agree with him that JL isn't scum?
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On December 04 2013 00:32 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 23:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Sandro, I see your case for bum, and it makes a lot of sense. I'm wary to get behind it because I'm worried that my opinion is a bit heavily influenced by OMGUS and I would be totally ok with seeing him go.
Summary: Vote is staying on geript, I refuse to let him get away with this absolutely abysmal play. Towards the end of the day, I could get behind gtrsrs or, depending on how things develop for him, bum. I don't like this quote from jcarl about bum either, so wishy washy, and the omgus excuse is zzzzzz. Jcarl doesn't seem emotional it shouldn't be a problem for him to evaluate the case against bum with an open mind.
Already in the process of reading his filter for myself =) Will post in a few.
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Man, bum's filter is super short.
The contradiction posts on his LSB stance are pretty glaring.
But the biggest thing stands out in this post:
On December 03 2013 10:48 bumatlarge wrote:Aye. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 00:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now on to other things
Bum - Why didn't you take tryndamere like you wanted? The idea of everyone in the top 10 more or less taking the roles you outlined was pretty non existent and the person originally slated to take the role you changed to having his own plan. So why didn't you take the role you wanted? IE I am curious to know how apparently LSB got it when hes the last person in the draft order.
Bum as for your case on Jcarls, I like it except for the first post you opted to use for it. Primarily because I don't think its likely for mafia to point out how good synergy of combos like blitz/nid are. I recognize that you said that post is what put him on your radar but its a very odd post to have come up when everything in it honestly feels town to me. IE my only issue with your case is where it started from. All the other points you raise seem good, but the initial starting place to me seems well, weird.
I never wanted tryndamere, and I didn't want another town to take it. Figured that would be the best way, and town would understand. Kinda awkward now that LSB has it, but it's not scummy for either of us I think, especially since he claimed it. I'm glad you noticed, I initially had another block of text about the voters on Urgot, but I convinced myself it didn't hold water except for jcarl. Geript I was still suspicious of, but not for the reasons I was going to give. The other two, Mig and justanothertownie, I liked as town, so I axed the whole section and just picked up where the analysis began. You are really smart BC. Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 00:13 Kurumi wrote: bumatlarge His case on jcarl is sound - that means, jcarl looks scummy. Bum was trying to coordinate things a little and saw Warwick as a threat. @bum, what do you think about gtrsrs and geript?
PSA I know guitarasaurus pretty well, but I don't know how he plays mafia. I wouldn't witch hunt him yet for doing nothing, but he needs to step it up even if he didn't get what he wanted. There are better lynches. HEAR THAT BRIAN?I have yet to analyze geript, though my gut said mafia. I was going to but the jcarl analysis wore me out, and I scratched a whole long segment that I thought wasn't good. @LSB I'm not going to claim, sorry how you managed to go for trynd was unfortunate, but what I said would have worked if it got all the way to you. Meh, you claimed so thats actually good for everyone. I agree certain people should claim, and most have, but others should not. Tell you what though, I will claim if jcarl claims. I thought I caught him pretty good, but the fact that multiple people have called my case good yet only 4 people voted for him, and that you tried to turn it on me, tells me jcarl is a good role for scum to have. Just a feeling. It's been a while but LSB is playing similar to another PYP game, with plans that don't really fall through. He plays weird in general, but there is methods to his madness when he's town. I don't have a read yet, but I'd like to see what he does. If you have a good role like DT/Medic/Vet, please don't claim.
There has been something about bum's case on me that has really bugged me. He has stayed consistent with his original case, but has taken essentially no new information into consideration. It's just 100% blind tunneling.
Also, he mentions something about having thoughts on geript. He even says that he will try to get something done on geript, but has to go to court today, so he doesn't know if he'll have time.
What does he do after this? Brings up points on JohnnyLaw and LSB. And he never mentions geript again in his filter.
I can totally see geript and [redbumatlarge[/red] being in cahoots.
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On December 04 2013 01:01 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: I can totally see geript and bumatlarge being in cahoots. I'd like you to expand your thoughts here on why you think this.
Because I think you're both scum, not because I've seen something to suggest you two working together.
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On December 04 2013 01:24 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 01:01 geript wrote:On December 04 2013 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: I can totally see geript and bumatlarge being in cahoots. I'd like you to expand your thoughts here on why you think this. Try again sugar.
I'm not going to repeat myself for the sake of repeating myself. You can go read my filter.
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gtrsrs, there are plenty of people in this game who play league, your last posts have literally done nothing
Do you have scum reads? Are you going to do anything useful this game?
I'm sorry that you didn't get the role you wanted, but you're being counterproductive.
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