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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 20 2013 18:40 GMT
#10
/in
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 21 2013 10:19 GMT
#56
On November 21 2013 13:21 bumatlarge wrote:
/in


hey buddy
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 22 2013 06:17 GMT
#88
On November 22 2013 04:38 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 10:58 Mig wrote:
/in

Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 13:21 bumatlarge wrote:
/in


YES
GTRSRS SUP MAN


hehehehhehe hi kurumi
i'm ready to bash some nerds
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 23 2013 17:58 GMT
#129
early to mafia early to rise, that's what i always say
mafia monday
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 30 2013 08:04 GMT
#333
##Ban: Yorick

pretty straightforward. graves and talon seem like good bans as well
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 30 2013 19:56 GMT
#488
screwed up my vote format earlier
##Vote: Yorick


On November 30 2013 21:04 sandroba wrote:
I'm leaving town right now


confirmed mafia

going to submit my numbers now
i will only play champs that i actually like in the game
i don't care if it has a good power, i'm not playing viktor cause eff that guy
also since a lot of you are more experienced or adamant about this game and the order, i'll pick somewhat low numbers so i don't harsh your vibe

sorry for the terrible post but seeing as most of the posts so far have also been terrible i don't feel so bad.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 01 2013 07:26 GMT
#652
i picked [7], [11], how did i end up with such a shitty pick
son i'm challenger i should be first pick, highest MRR

mid or feed pls send me against faker i'm ready coach put me in

perhaps i don't quite understand the roles, but bum, how are kha'zix and viktor not in any of your lists? based on what we know of kha in the game he's got mobility, invisibility, and high damage. i'm sure he'll have some pretty lethal abilities by day 4/5. i believe that he should be a priority pick for town, just to deny him from mafia, yes? and aren't inventor roles pretty strong in a game like this? allows us to give "vanillas" some better abilities (or at least further empower our best players, no?).

i also don't agree with your assessment that shaco is a mafia-use only champ. i think he would be a strong defensive champ with some coordination. obviously not something to use on night 1 with no info but strong in an experienced player's hands.

twitch also seems like he could be reasonably strong in mafia's hands. i don't really see a townsfolk utilizing him to his fullest potential.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 01 2013 17:18 GMT
#753
On December 02 2013 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
So much LoL. So much. All of my LoLs.


On December 02 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote:
Oh, Oats. Oatsy oatsy oats.


is there any way we can cut these posts out? not really adding much to the game. makes me lose focus when trying to catch up. did i read the page where X lol'd at Y? did i read the page where Y lol'd back at X? it's a huge turnoff and i don't want to say it looks scummy but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit just so we don't have to read it all game
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 01 2013 17:34 GMT
#755
oh oatsy, oatsy oatsy oatsy
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 02 2013 00:48 GMT
#878
i picked kha'zix
please don't take my pick
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 02 2013 01:12 GMT
#893
whoever takes kha'zix before me is scum
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 02 2013 05:39 GMT
#989
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 08:51 GMT
#1822
sorry for my inactivity, it's been an incredibly long 36 hours or so
i have read the thread completely now though. need some time to digest it all

VT really blows. the idea that blue roles get 2 powers (and some get even more, possibly) but i get none is stupid. especially when i look at the draft order and i don't really see how i got such a low pick. more on that in a sec

i also really dislike basing my scum hunting on meta game. i haven't played a forum mafia game in a year (a couple years?) at least and reading back on my old posts is cringe-worthy. i also don't have the time or desire to read up on all of the past games of all 29 of you.

i was going to post something like this about 28 hours ago when roffles said i was probably just bored: "roffles is right, i'm mad that my favorite champs weren't included in the game and when i DID dibs a champ, someone stole it from me. i don't have much to say and you can lynch me if you want"

but i didn't, and then a whole bunch of posts were dedicated to me (E>). i'm not the super aggro guy i was in past games. so instead i'm gonna do a bit of analysis on a couple things and just be my little ol' tank minion self. if i make it through tonight (likely) and we have some juicy info on n1 actions, i might be of more use.

anyway, this post:
On December 03 2013 11:50 LSB wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Your hourly reminder that many of your town have valuable information that has not been revealed

There are still highly dangerous roles in the game that we need to confirm if they exist or not before the first night. As many people have emphasize, if you have claimed Vanilla town or even flipped vanilla town, it is in the towns interest for you to claimed what you tried to pick. There is no reason why you should not sit on a vanilla town role and not say anything.

If you are vanilla town it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take
If you can deal damage it is important for you to reveal what role you tried to take
If you are DT/Medic/Tracker it is highly suggested, but I will forgive you if you don't, to reveal what role you take
We need to know if Janna, Heimerdinger, Karthus and other roles that have the ability to increase mafia KP are in the game.


Koshi [2][1] - Viktor
Kurumi [4][6] - Warwick
VisceraEyes [5][4] - Lux
jcarlsoniv [9][3] - Soft Blue claim, cannot deal damage
Mig [12][1]
JonnyLaw [14][11]
Risen [15][15] - Karma
StorrZerg [23][23]
geript [24][24] Warwick? -> VT?
austinmcc [6][3]
Meapak_Ziphh [6][14]
Sandroba - Fiora
Kenpachi[8][15] - Blue Claim
Rean [16][2] ?-> VT
bumatlarge [16][12] -> Soft Blue Claim
BloddyC0bbler [17][5] Soft Blue Claim, probably a power role
justanothertownie
marvellosity [7][2] - Blue Claim
gtrsrs [7][11] Kha'Zix -> VT
OdinOfPergo [7][16] Karma -> VT
Mocsta [1][5] ? ->VT
supersoft [1][30]
Oatsmaster [1][1] Cho'Gath ->VT
raynpelikoneet [1][1] - Shen
kushm4sta
ticklishmusic Taric
Roffles
Coagulation
jaybrundage [Tabbz] Ezreal?
LSB -> Tryndamere


lead me to really question: "seriously, why do i have such a shit pick?" i picked [7],[11]. based on my understanding of how the pick works, here's what should have happened. 3 of us claimed 7, so we were defaulted to our second picks. my second pick was 11. the only other person with an 11 pick was JonnyLaw. but JonnyLaw's first pick was 14. he couldn't be above me in the pick order with these picks. i would have defaulted to 11 before he did. additionally, no one above him has a 14 pick, so he should have been 14, not even defaulting to his second pick

therefore i can only conclude that (presuming everyone else was telling the truth) JonnyLaw is lying about his number picks. no need to lie about that. he's scum.

on that note, i do not necessarily believe that he picked kha'zix. if he did not pick kha'zix, then the person who did is also scum. 2 down. korea stands no chance

##Vote: JonnyLaw

note: sandroba or justanothertownie outing their pick numbers could save JonnyLaw


also if it might help, i'm extremely knowledgeable about league of legends and i can help answer any questions for non-league players, especially those questions that might pertain to possible second abilities (though at this time, i don't see that as necessary)
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 09:00 GMT
#1825
if you want to stay in character, viktor has these abilities:

ability: upgraded ability
death laser: shoots a laser at large range in a straight line, dealing damage and dealing DoT
power swap: deals single target damage and upon the projectile's return, gives him a shield and bonus movespeed
gravity field: opens a large stun block that initially slows then stuns at a large range
ionic storm: creates a storm that moves around the battlefield and deals damage and silences enemies


maybe you could give a vanilla townie one of your inventions, viktor
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 09:02 GMT
#1826
On December 03 2013 17:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so gtrsrs you have apparently misunderstood how the picks work too.
And the post is worthless. God why do people not read OP?


that's also a strong possibility
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 09:16 GMT
#1829
warwick's abilities are as follows:

hungering strike: deals %-based damage and heals himself for a big chunk
hunter's call: gives himself massive attack speed and his allies get attack speed as well
blood scent: gets the location of champs at a huge range, when they are below 50% hp. also gets bonus movespeed
infinite duress: stuns and deals damage to a single enemy champ


his listed ability is infinite duress. i would say with certainty that hunter's call is his least-defining skill and blood scent is his most-defining skill. i think it is likely that when people get below 50% hp, warwick will be able to get information on them (either their night activities or their roles/alignments). this would synergize well with his listed ability in helping him kill people. i think that could be pretty damn good on town. if we split our KP and math out some numbers, never actually go for a kill at night, we could perhaps get every member of the town down to low HP so kurumi could find out their roles or alignments. if his other ability is hungering strike then idk. will be hard to kill him at night.

we should get a cop on kurumi tonight to make sure he's town. feels like a really strong character to me
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 16:48 GMT
#2045
on tryndamere:

bloodlust: gains damage as he gets lower in health; can heal himself for a small amount
mocking shout: reduces movespeed and attack damage of those around him
spinning slash: his given move. allows him to spin and deal damage and move.
undying rage: his signature move that defines the champ. cannot take damage that brings him below 1 HP for a set time.

undying rage is his most notable move, mocking shout is his least. the way that trynd works in league is that once he pops undying rage, he's invincible for 5-7 seconds, while dealing basically double damage. i echo bum's sentiment from earlier that it will be likely that trynd cannot be killed at night (on virtue of popping his ult) and will deal massive damage if he nears 0 HP.

i think in dealing with trynd, we'll have to lynch him (i'm assuming lynching supersedes his ult, as another characteristic of trynd players is they often use their ult too late and die instead of living).
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 17:00 GMT
#2050
there are plenty of people in this game that play league? i've been posting on the league sub-forum since it's inception and i recognize less than 10 people in here. imo, i'm doing a huge service to those people who DON'T play league by mapping out likely powers of roles that are in conversation right now. i understand that it's not helping us decide who is scum *yet*, but knowing how these powers work will be critical in winning this game.

i don't have any scum reads yet.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 17:14 GMT
#2054
soniv has claimed or crumbed that he doesn't deal damage.

based on the most prominent characteristics of the champs on the list, he's likely to be one of the following:

anivia - though in-game she's a high damage champ, her defining characteristics are her wall (her listed ability) and her passive, which allows her to come back to life a short time after being killed, with most or all of her HP back.

amumu - not a high damage champ. is notable for all the crowd control (restricting opponents movement and actions) abilities he has.

blitzcrank - like amumu, a low damage champ with lots of crowd control. known most for his listed ability, his hook.

galio - his defining characteristics are his listed ability which is a shield that heals him, and his ultimate, which is a huge taunt (redirects attacks onto him) that affects a large radius around him.

janna - she's a support character that shields, heals, and buffs allies.

morgana - her defining traits are her black shield (listed ability) and her ultimate, which works like amumu's: a large stun in an area around her. she also has a single-target stun.

orianna - while she is a high damage champ, she's more known for her high utility: shields, displacement abilities, and slows/speed buffs. she's likely to be able to scramble a mix of abilities for 1 night in addition to her listed ability

shen - known for his taunt (listed ability) and his ult, which allows him to shield an ally for a massive amount, and teleport to their location.

soraka - typical healer. can heal a single target, can heal the whole team, can silence enemies.

zilean - known for his ult, which brings someone back to life after their death.



of these champs, i believe it's most likely that soniv picked anivia, janna, or morgana.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 17:19 GMT
#2056
oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning

soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon

but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon)

i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#2061
On December 04 2013 02:18 LSB wrote:
I don't understand this whole I'm a village idiot thingy, I'm just going to flat out deny it, and say that if there is a village idiot mechanic it probably should have been mentioned in the OP.


there are no suicide champs in league, so to speak
on the list, kog'maw has a suicide passive, but it's known. shaco fits the "town clown" persona *kinda* but he's more of an "evil clown." in dota, techies has a suicide attack and are well known for their mines, which teemo closely mimics. but teemo has no suicide abilities

i also think that it's unlikely that there is a village idiot role
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 17:25 GMT
#2064
On December 04 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote:
Your past town-games suggest you are usually focused on getting a good lynch too, so I'm confused that you are only concentrating on this.


there should be no confusion, as i have clarified
>i don't have any good scum reads
>i'm not as aggressive a person as i used to be
>i don't like building cases on other games. later in the game based on reactions to night activities i will be of more help


if you want to give me a player to analyze i might do it, but i'm not gonna scramble to find scum reads when there's nothing of consequence yet posted.

thanks for understanding
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 17:28 GMT
#2066
On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 02:19 gtrsrs wrote:
oh woops, forgot to include my reasoning

soniv is a bona fide hipster, loves to play champs that are not currently popular or considered strong. in addition to the champs i listed, on the champ list, there are several of those: mordekaiser, karma, twisted fate, malzahar, syndra, talon

but each of these either has a damage ability listed (morde, TF, malz, syndra) or has an extremely high likelihood of a damage ability (karma, talon)

i believe karma is his favorite champ though. hard to analyze her based on her abilities though, because Wave said that he's been planning this for months, and karma went through a remake somewhat recently


My propensity for playing less popular champs in game has 0 reflection on what role I chose in this game. This is 100% pointless speculation.

Also, I believe someone has claimed Karma already. I don't remember who (and can't find the list at the moment - I'm sure LSB knows).

Whenever you're ready to stop being a dumbass is good with me.


so you say. certain personal traits bleed through all activities and you carry them with you wherever you go. i know i do, why would you be different. i'm sticking with my gut on this

You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 03 2013 17:38 GMT
#2071
k
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 04 2013 00:23 GMT
#2209
had to change my vote without an explanation on account of an emergency errand i had to run
i don't believe bum is scum
i also don't believe it's wise to lynch one of our most experienced and logical members on d1 without solid proof that he's mafia, which i don't think we have.

i took my vote off of JonnyLaw as my mistake in pick order understanding was pointed out and i no longer believe JonnyLaw to be lying about his pick order numbers. i think put my vote onto LSB in order to take some pressure off of bum.

i now have a good read on someone that i believe is scum. there is no chance this person will be lynched today so i will save my case for tomorrow.

i do ask that you take your votes off of bum though (even knowing what little water my request will hold)


also, we can drop the roffles telling me to die thing. i sincerely appreciate the sentiments, but i don't really give a damn; i know he meant it in a non-abrasive way (if that makes any sense). no need to further clutter up the thread with it. just roffles being roffles.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 04 2013 03:42 GMT
#2489
On December 04 2013 09:23 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't believe bum is scum
i also don't believe it's wise to lynch one of our most experienced and logical members on d1 without solid proof that he's mafia, which i don't think we have.



i stand by this. there was not concrete evidence. who started the bum bandwagon?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 04 2013 04:43 GMT
#2513
On December 04 2013 13:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I got a lantern. Anyone experienced with LoL could you tell me what it's could possibly do?


thresh's lantern in league is tossed toward a teammate (or several teammates) and applies a shield at it's landing location. after landing, a single teammate can click the lantern to be pulled to thresh's location ("to safety"). it's generally used to save someone from a gank, and sometimes used offensively to initiate a very long-range gank

in the context of a mafia game, i'd put dollars to donuts that it's able to pull someone out of being targetted for a night action, to safety. i would throw the lantern to someone that you feel will be a mafia target, and they will likely need to "click the lantern" to avoid the night action
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 04 2013 16:21 GMT
#2739
On December 04 2013 23:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey hey Jcarl, wanna lynch ROffles/


I want to lynch geript or gtrsrs at this point. Roffles play has been absolute shit, so he's leaning scum, but he could also just be fucking lazy as shit like he is in everything he does.

------------------------------------------------


quick question, if you think roffles is leaning scum, why do you want to lynch geript or gtrsrs? can you provide reasoning, or if you already have, a link to said reasoning?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 04 2013 16:26 GMT
#2743
i'm going to the gym. when i get back i'm going to take a shower and make breakfast. if my girlfriend is still asleep and nothing comes up by that point, i'll make my case for a lynch. if she's up, my case will have to wait until probably 3pm pst today. either way i'll do my best to have a cohesive lynch case by the end of today (dec 4th)

i feel strongly about my read. if my case is strong enough to convince you to lynch my suspect, and i turn out wrong, i'd like to be lynched the next day please. i just simply don't feel strongly enough about anyone other than my target to make any conclusive assessments yet, yet i feel like you guys are putting a lot of pressure on lurkers to perform more (and rightly so). i will probably have my confidence shaken and be even more worthless if i'm wrong on this one

thanks
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 04 2013 18:55 GMT
#2822
i have returned and have the time to build my case. after i do so i'll be around for a short while to hear criticisms of it and then i will be gone for some time, and can check back in the late afternoon to see if you guys can punch holes in it or not
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 04 2013 20:00 GMT
#2855
it's a big case
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 04 2013 20:28 GMT
#2863
i want to start my case with apology for being rather lurky this game. i've stated before but people are still commenting, so i will reiterate: i'm not as aggressive a person as i was a few years back, so my playstyle is not as aggressive as it was either. additionally, until now, i didn't feel strongly about anyone being scum. lastly, i do not like to use meta-game to build a case, especially on day 1 (unfortunately, you'll see that i will have to use the 'meta' reasoning a bit in this case).

i know relatively few of you and have played mafia with even fewer. i don't know your traits when you are mafia or town. however, some of you i know well or even very well. as bum_at_large pointed out, he and i have been friends for years. i felt very strongly that bum was doing his normal bum thing - being analytical, making logical posts, and being pro-town - and that he was town. one of the only other people that i can claim to know their personality is jacarlsoniv (henceforth referred to as soniv). i've played league with soniv, posted in the league sub-forum with soniv, and watched soniv's sparse streaming for a couple years now. as i stated earlier,
On December 04 2013 02:28 gtrsrs wrote:
certain personal traits bleed through all activities and you carry them with you wherever you go. i know i do, why would you be different.


i feel like although he's not my bestest buddy, i have a good read on soniv's overall personality. he thinks highly of himself as a strong player and intellectual, and he's a fierce competitor. when he's "winning" he's cocky and carefree, but when he is challenged, i believe that soniv becomes extremely defensive and can get emotional. it's a knee-jerk reaction that i've seen in playing with him (exasperated sighs and outbursts when his lane gets camped in league, banning viewers [read: me ] when they comment on a mistake he makes on his stream, etc). i believe that soniv has taken a needlessly harsh and defensive stance on several comments made in his direction, many of which don't even point a ton of suspicion in his direction

i'll start by cementing that i believe soniv is just being soniv and not changing up his personality for this game, as that's what i'm basing my case on:
On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
My propensity for playing less popular champs in game has 0 reflection on what role I chose in this game. This is 100% pointless speculation.


... but soniv's first post in the game was a quote from his favorite champ:
On November 21 2013 03:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Steel can fix all your flaws.


this was also a response to me saying i hated viktor as a champion:
On December 01 2013 10:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
wow
you're going down gtr


these second two posts are lighthearted, comfortable soniv posts. he's not under pressure, he's making jokes, he's referencing and defending his favorite champ. it's only after i create a seemingly worthless post about what i feel soniv picked (spurred by the fact that he breadcrumbed that he does no damage) that he became defensive about it:
On December 04 2013 01:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
gtrsrs, there are plenty of people in this game who play league, your last posts have literally done nothing

Do you have scum reads? Are you going to do anything useful this game?

I'm sorry that you didn't get the role you wanted, but you're being counterproductive.

On December 04 2013 02:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Whenever you're ready to stop being a dumbass is good with me.


the second he's put under the tiniest bit of pressure, no matter how tangential it may be, he retracts into a defensive, ad hominem style.


so that's my setup. now i want to give 2 postulates that i've learned from playing forum mafia and epic mafia. 1) knowledge is power. mafia inherently has more knowledge than town, so doing actions that lead to town having more knowledge helps to level the playing field. yes, it can lead to revelations for the mafia as well, but remember, mafia has enough information to win the game from the start. mafia thrives in a suffocated, information-free town. 2) town needs to lynch mafia. town does not need to lynch lurkers, anti-town townies, pro-town townies, or blues. town needs to lynch mafia. this one is simple. you don't lynch someone because you don't like them, or because you have a weak lead on them. mafia members can subtly push for lynches on bad town and lurkers because it can feel like a "next best" option.

1) knowledge is power
i agreed with a mass roleclaim plan. soniv did not:
On December 02 2013 08:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On December 02 2013 07:43 Roffles wrote:
I think we may need to account for what each champion is potentially able to provide with their unknown ability instead of what they're thus far listed as being able to do. It's super risky to do, but if played well can bring a huge advantage to whatever side plays it the best.

Trying to speculate doesn't really do all that much to help, tbh. Sure, we can make somewhat educated guesses, but they would still be complete guesses. We just don't know what the mods are hiding from us, and we know they can be creative.

It doesn't hurt to be prepared for the mindset that there's so much we don't know. But trying to pinpoint what it will be is a fairly non-value add activity.

soniv is in the wrong and roffles is in the right. i've tried to illuminate what several hot-topic champs can do so that we can help non-league players. information is power. soniv, however, wants to nip speculative and free discussion at the bud. in fact, when i've given my expertise,
On December 04 2013 01:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
gtrsrs, there are plenty of people in this game who play league, your last posts have literally done nothing


there is one role that he does want to find though: kassadin, a potentially scum-screwing role that will likely be able to dart out of trouble as well as screw up enemy actions:
On December 03 2013 04:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I do agree it would be good to know where Kass is. The one ability we know about is very strong and should be kept track of/utilized. I'm assuming his other ability is a self re-locator - his other skills in game wouldn't really make sense for this.


this is because soniv, playing as SKT1'S Poohmandu (even getting one of his favorite hipster support champs, Janna!) wants to actively limit the amount of information that town has in order to both prevent town from getting too many power roles, and eliminate said power roles quickly.


2) town needs to lynch mafia, and no one else
take a peek at soniv's filter, page 3. in the span of a few posts, he goes from
On December 02 2013 22:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Null on gtr for now, but certainly not leaning town.

to
On December 03 2013 01:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So assuming nothing changes and we end up lynching gtr - who are you looking at next VE?


it's subtle sheeping. town does not put their votes onto someone that they do not believe is mafia. it's a mafia tactic to subtly sheep votes onto people that others fine suspicious. however, soniv himself did not even put a vote on me, he voted for geript. he's sowing discord:
On December 03 2013 23:35 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I'm totally cool with killing gtrsrs at this point as well.

Summary: Vote is staying on geript, I refuse to let him get away with this absolutely abysmal play. Towards the end of the day, I could get behind gtrsrs or, depending on how things develop for him, bum.


literally no one thinks that i'm mafia at this point. my worst detractors think i'm unmotivated town. you don't lynch unmotivated town. points to soniv for keeping his vote on geript instead of hopping on the bum bandwagon, it was a nice cover-up. though a bit unnecessary as the wagon was rolling fast enough that he didn't even need to jump on tbh

this post is the lynchpin for when i realized soniv was poohmandu:
On December 04 2013 06:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On December 04 2013 06:12 LSB wrote:
On December 04 2013 06:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On December 04 2013 05:54 LSB wrote:
On December 04 2013 05:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Please explain why you think holding your role is the reason you're going to get lynched day 2? Because, honestly, your entire play this game except for holding your role is the reason you're nearing the chopping block.

And you state:

Plus I want to kill Bum. Actually that's most of the reason


Bum is set to be lynched at this point. Your main reason for wanting to use your role is gone.

On December 04 2013 05:41 LSB wrote:
What I plan on doing tonight
If Bum is lynched - I will do nothing
If Bum is not Lynched - I will verify my role claim by moving up three spaces.


You realize that if you use your role, you will be on block for a policy lynching, right? Like, you're going to incur the very thing you seem to be afraid of if you don't use it.

I don't understand what you are trying to imply. Are you just simply trying to discourage me from using my role should Bum not get lynched? Or are you trying to make a blanket statement saying I should never use my role? Or are you criticizing my choice of night action?


I'm saying that it has said that people using mafia roles should be lynched. Yours is considered a mafia role, as far as we know.

If we are 100% sure that there are 5 scum next to you and you want to spin through them, whatever, I don't care. But otherwise you will be aiding scum.

And even if you confirm yourself as Tryndamere by spinning through townies, how in the hell does that help you look town yourself? Why would we keep you around?


again, it's subtle and it's not a direct statement. but soniv is pushing us toward lynching people based on their roles, not their alignment. town's job is to lynch mafia, not to lynch bad town that took a role that seems to aid mafia more than town. in fact, this post almost feels like a dare: "i dare you to spin [which would help mafia] to confirm your mafia-esque role so i can push a lynch on you, a townie." it's a big double whammy

On December 04 2013 23:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On December 04 2013 23:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey hey Jcarl, wanna lynch ROffles/


I want to lynch geript or gtrsrs at this point. Roffles play has been absolute shit, so he's leaning scum, but he could also just be fucking lazy as shit like he is in everything he does.


more sheepy spam that's not backed up by a vote. if roffles is mafia, vote to lynch him. if he's not, don't say you think he is.

but of course when i call him out on it, he retracts into defensive mode again:
On December 05 2013 01:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
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On December 05 2013 01:21 gtrsrs wrote:
quick question, if you think roffles is leaning scum, why do you want to lynch geript or gtrsrs? can you provide reasoning, or if you already have, a link to said reasoning?


lol no

go fucking read my filter... or do something

Roffles is leaning scum, yes, but as I've said twice, his actions could or could not be indicative of such an alignment. I am not willing to lynch him yet.



other post that bothered me:
On December 04 2013 00:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
jat, I'm fine with you quoting posts to respond to, that's normal.

that doesn't excuse the fact that you didn't actually say anything in your post


hard to take seriously when at this point soniv himself has said nothing of worth


it's cut and dry, challengers. this guy might be diamond V in league of legends but his mafia skill is silver II. sorry soniv, no hard feelings. your personality just shows through too much to me and betrays your actual intentions.

##vote: jcarsoniv



also, make sure you touch up on bum's initial look at soniv. it didn't sway me at start, but once i picked up on a red vibe from soniv i looked back at it and agreed.

seeya nerds
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 05 2013 16:53 GMT
#3481
On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected.

I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern.



you're claiming thresh, then?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 05 2013 17:06 GMT
#3487
thresh is one of, if not the, highest damage support in the game
i would say that all of his moves are signature, with the lantern and box being the most so. the box does more damage than cassieopieaiea ult. flay does a ton of damage. even hook does non-negligible damage.

what is your second ability?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 05 2013 17:15 GMT
#3490
that's literally why i didn't even list thresh in my list of non-damage-possible champs
his damage output is literally insane for a support
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 05 2013 17:15 GMT
#3491
oh right, the box was the listed ability, i forgot
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 05 2013 17:19 GMT
#3493
can you stop being so negative?
2 people have already thanked me for my league input and i'm going to continue to do it, so you can stop deriding me for it
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 05 2013 17:33 GMT
#3496
k so something else about the lantern that stuck out to me

when soniv said this:
On December 06 2013 01:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2013 01:53 gtrsrs wrote:
On December 06 2013 00:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:
If you clicked on the lantern, then you should have been protected from anything targeting you. If you didn't click the lantern, then you didn't get protected.

I checked, you can still use your ability if you clicked the lantern.

you're claiming thresh, then?

I am. And as much as I still disagree with you speculating on possible roles, I had to chuckle to myself when you guessed right for Thresh.


it confused me a bit. for one he's been riding me all game for providing league info and saying there's google for a reason and everyone here is a challenger level league player etc etc etc. so why would it make him chuckle when i connected a lantern to the only lantern in the game?

that's when i remembered that there are more, shitty lanterns in the game. they're so shitty though, that they didn't even register on my mind when you asked about a lantern

there are 3 lanterns in the game:
thresh's lantern: allows you to be rushed to safety
wriggle's lantern: provides sight in a location for a short time
grez's spectral lantern: gives true vision in a location for an extremely short time

thresh's lantern is by far the most prominent. wriggles is built in probably < 1% of games on summoner's rift and is generally considered complete shit on every champ save a handful. grez's lantern is built even less than wriggles, on a seldom-played map and i had forgotten it was in the game. i cannot stress enough that the last two lanterns are so insignificant that they don't even come to mind when "lantern" and "league" go together in my mind.

not only that, but neither of those two lanterns directly tie to a champion. the only way one of those was in the game is if the inventor built them, but as we've already seen, he's focused on building dota-themed items.


so why would roffles, a guy who has played as much league as anyone else in this thread, suggest this:
On December 04 2013 13:35 Roffles wrote:
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On December 04 2013 13:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I got a lantern. Anyone experienced with LoL could you tell me what it's could possibly do?

Probably give vision of something. Point it at somebody and it gives you info on allegiances perhaps.


maybe, *maybe* you could argue that a grez port into this game would give info on allegiances with the "true sight" mechanic. but in 99% of cases, i would say that someone porting wriggle's or grez's lantern to mafia would make it so you can see a night action in a certain location. i will give credit to Wave and say for the mostpart he uses logic, and this would be logical.

and at this time, we know that viktor is inventing useless dota crap. so why would roffles come to this conclusion, and use one of his extremely sparse posts on it?

it just reeks of spreading misinformation. i'm not saying it's enough for me to vote for him (my vote will remain on soniv), but maybe it's enough for someone else to strengthen their case or for me to build one later
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 06 2013 09:18 GMT
#3978
gonna stick my vote on soniv like i intended to last night
don't want you guys thinking this is a random vote without reasoning. my mind hasn't been swayed by his defense or any subsequent posts. in fact his very defensive defense felt like it affirmed my suspicions. even if soniv picked thresh, doesn't mean he's not mafia.
though thresh is more of a madlife support than a poohmandu support...

i have read the entire thread and i don't feel extremely strongly about most of the cases being made. part of me thinks that this game is just town attacking town while mafia AFKs, and another part of me thinks that all the mafia is trying so desperately to not be suspicious via AFKing that they're all just bussing each other lol. i know that it lies somewhere in between, but there is sure a ton of bitching going on. by the time we have soniv lynched i hope that i'll have some more strong suspicions i can dive into

chez, you sure are an interesting poster. i really like your enthusiasm and adherence to triviality. i am not in the right mindset to decipher a lot of what you've written at the moment, but i may get a chance on saturday. is there any chance you could send me some PMs with some hints? i'm not particularly clever.

odin, i think you need to relax

i would like to see more out of roffles. i think it's possible that when he suggested that i was shit-posting because i was pissed i didn't get a role, he was subtly referring to himself too. i'd like to reiterate what i said earlier about roffles being wayyyy too experienced a lol player to suggest that a lantern would be anything other than thresh's lantern. just curious as to why he'd try to mislead the thread in that sense.

in another note, when chez claimed to be all-knowing, my mind immediately jumped to twisted fate and POSSIBLY malzahar, and i was surprised that soniv suggested nidalee's traps as offering omniscience. just a tidbit i guess. but, also strange, doran in the game is not all-knowing. he's the opposite - a simpleton. his lore says that he was kicked in the head by his donkey which is why he can't make fancy items and just makes the starting items (d-blade, d-shield, d-ring). is that what you meant by things aren't how they appear, chez?

good night thread
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 06 2013 18:48 GMT
#4261
then vote for me
i don't see why you keep saying you want me dead. talk is cheap, use your votes to make an impact

scum
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 07 2013 05:49 GMT
#4689
2 people with awesome abilities rage quitting because they're getting too emotionally attached while I'm just stuck here as a tank minion wishing I could carry these nerds

Actually, you guys did an awesome job recreating solo queue habitat with this game ^_^
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 07 2013 05:51 GMT
#4690
Meanwhile the 2 people with the calmest most rational and least distracting posts are getting picked off by scum in our jungle

We need wards and we need to group as 5 and push mid before we flat out lose
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 07 2013 05:53 GMT
#4692
since 2 powers have rage quit can I attempt to draw another power? Kinda like dota where if your teammate dcs you split his gold?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 07 2013 06:07 GMT
#4698
This game had so much potential

It's like a decent joke that isn't that funny because there was a a better joke right there and you just missed it, but realized right as you said the inferior joke that the better joke had eluded you... And no one laughs
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 07 2013 06:15 GMT
#4700
can I buy something from the shop?
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 08 2013 05:22 GMT
#4901
hey risen, why did you swing your vote off of soniv yesterday? i missed that
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 10 2013 00:12 GMT
#5539
my time is scarce atm
i find coagulation's actions quite strange
this game feels over to me anyway

##vote: coagulation
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 10 2013 04:02 GMT
#5582
nice job guys!
i will try to catch up on the last 25 pages or so maybe tomorrow and contribute more but really my time is just so precious r/n
you think finals are tough? try relegations
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 11 2013 04:09 GMT
#6151
tank minion rolls on down mid lane, taking no damage, giving no damns

(that's me i'm the tank minion and i didn't take damage last night)
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 11 2013 04:15 GMT
#6154
yes, i should have time tonight to do reads
i will do kush, jaybrundage, and LSB

i'll be back home in an hour and have some business, then expect an hour's worth of time analyzing so i should be done around midnight (4 hours)
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
December 13 2013 04:06 GMT
#6805
really sorry i had to afk guys, obviously lots more going on than i had anticipated for me. gl town!
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