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marvellosity
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 rayn, I don't really like a vote on ticklish unless you have something else to bring to the table on him other than the obvious. To be honest I gave him credit for actually going away and looking at some of your town games, and it looks like he actually did so because he made some passing comment that the only thing missing from your game so far was calling town bad or something similar, which while a tad unfair, isn't necessarily inaccurate either. | ||
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On December 03 2013 08:53 LSB wrote: I think this is the most important thing that needs to get done and that's why I am pushing for it so hard. I do not understand why you think I should "give this up" an idea that you admit is "pro town". I am more concerned about doing things that will be very important to the town as a whole, and someone needs to do this and I decided to do it. If you want a scum read I'd say I'd read you as red, I can understand if you are saying stop yelling for massclaim because it is bad for XYZ. But to say stop yelling for massclaim even though it is a good idea stinks of casual sabotage. I would rather have your support for a plan you admit is "pro town" rather than attempting to dissuade it before it is completed. Can't really believe no-one brought this up yet. LSB shot up several points on my scumdar for this. I actually think it's kinda insane that LSB picks out rayn as a red-read. Like I'm finding it very difficult to believe. | ||
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On December 03 2013 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not sure either any more, that's why i did not include him in the list i asked Mocsta about earlier. He just.. stopped playing after the beginning. Yes, this is point 1. I would expect a townie to become more interested as the game went on and lynch-time came (like me :D) whereas his activity is the other way round. Secondly is the point that sandroba kinda touched on - he asked Jonny about something, Jonny replied and sandroba commented that Jonny was just summarising the action in the filters, rather than really making alignment guesses from it. His play feels different from his most recent game (a newbie I admit): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=JonnyLaw in a way that I can't describe very well. Like here he is more aggressive/aloof? In that game there he is prodding around and making pretty decent cases on people. Like his "case" on kush here is just... meh. Thirdly I found it quite odd how he kept repeating his stance on gtrsrs, which was bad or lazy or scum, but "not useful to town either way" - like it seemed overdone. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Odin if kushmasta has even one quote from another player in his posts he is town. If he is scum he does not go into any filter because he can't even force himself to do so. He just says "permission to bus me granted, do it!". I don't think he is scum here. This is false, the reason I was suspicious of him in LXII (you were mafia with him) was because he made some pre-fab case on jat, which did indeed contain quotes from his filter. Bad metric. | ||
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On December 03 2013 12:51 LSB wrote: Seriously? You seriously think the best way to make sure said KP isn't being thrown around is to let roles have free will over what to do? Last thing we need is a Heimerdinger getting two turrets out, or an Urgot making a focus fire on one champion an instakill. I have said time and time again that KP related roles should be claimed so they can be held accountable should they participate in suspicious actions. Okay, if you are vet/dt/medic you don't need to claim if you do not, but awnser this. Why shouldn't Vanilla Town Claim who they tried to pick or KP related roles claim the same? You need to shut the fuck up or I'm going to have you lynched for being an annoying asshole. | ||
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People we do not lynch today Oatsmaster - he gets this flak every game he plays. Don't see any reason at all for him to be mafia right now geript - too abrasive + eager early on to get stuck in. Maybe the Oats push is fake but I can't tell that for now and compared to anyone else he's a bad target kushm4sta - good luck divining his alignment so far. Everything everyone said is true but that doesn't make him mafia... People I'm looking at funny and maybe I'd lynch jaybrundage - comes in, drops a big post about how he wouldn't attack me as mafia, says he lurks as mafia ---> lurks jcarlsoniv - I'm going up and down on jcarl. His push on geript feels worthless. Also did not like how he addressed what I said about Jonny - he said that it was meta based so he couldn't say much. Actually only 1 of 4 things I said were meta-related, so that's a super-weak cop out of giving any substantial opinion. Mocsta - has actually been super useless this game. He's not done anything other than bad things. Come and dumped a vote on Jonny and what? austin - why you do nothing :< People who are suspicious JonnyLaw - I'm not sure about this dude. I think what I brought up against him remains true, but maybe we should give him more time? Dunno. gtrsrs - comes back and his only contribution is to make a case based on false number-picking premise. Actually it's not even the fact that what he said about the numbers was incorrect - it's that he is solely basing his read on numbers - no other behaviour or post analysis at all. That's horrible. Rean - Started off apparently eager, fell away pathetically. LSB - Weird Tryndamere pick. Obsession with a bad plan at exclusion of doing anything else. Shitty rayn=red read that he dropped in and never said anything else about. Posts that I don't want to read anymore. rayn tbh I don't see why I'd lynch ticklish above anyone in the above groups :/ Also the above 2 groups are kinda arbitrary. | ||
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Hello? | ||
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Who do you think that I commented on as suspicious do you think I should leave for today, who to concentrate on? | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not trying to get into a bitchfight with you. I am confused why you have geript in "do not lynch" and gtr/Jonny in "do lynch" category. I think what i pointed out was a legit question to you, maybe phrased a bit too aggressively, agreed. I wrote exactly why geript is in the category he was in. You may feel strongly that his push on Oats is fake, I simply do not. He sounded legitimately confused why he was a target today. He came out the gate shouting and spewing nonsense like town-geript always does. Don't see why Jonny should be town at all? He's not confirmed mafia, but nothing he's written makes me feel warm about him. You obviously didn't read what I said on gtrsrs; it's the fact that at this stage in the game he's made no effort at actually analysing posts, he's trying to form his scumread on something silly like numbers. As always you (and others) labour under the delusion that mafia on day 1 will be "in the know". Mafia are dumb as well as town, often. | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:41 sandroba wrote: I like your list, with exception of gtrs. The fact that he tried to take kasix and I believe mafia would have taken kasix pretty high is holding some weight for me. I would sub in ticklish for him. My issue with ticklish being mafia is: 1.I believe he went away and read rayn towngames. Lazy lurky mafia won't usually do this 2.He actually found inconsistency in kush's filter. Now this doesn't make kush mafia obviously, but it does mean tickling was attentive enough to notice 3.his posts have a IDGAF feel about them. | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is there anything that supports the argument that he went and read my town games? The fact that he said that you had an aggressive attitude in those games, which is why he backed off the read on you here (which is basically what he attributed it to). | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:47 sandroba wrote: I'm a bit insecure about this LSB lynch. The thing is that every time we lynch the guy on day one who is going crazy on the thread pissing off everybody that guy ends up being town. Don't get me wrong, every single post I read from LSB seems like a blatant push of scum agenda and I'm trying very hard to read it from another perspective because I think he is being straight out suicidal. I don't know how much weight the fact that he is LSB and is supposed to be decent at this game should hold. I don't know, how much should it hold? I don't know LSB at all, but I know he's oldschool and usually if I hear him mentioned it's with respect. If we take out his roleclaim thing which could just be dumb, he still randomly called rayn mafia (and didn't follow up) and then bum mafia (or was it SK? which is even weirder). Like the people he's pushing (what there is of it) make no sense to me at all | ||
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On December 03 2013 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: So in case he is scum and therefore knows i am town he could have not make that kind of an observation based on my posting in this game? I mean, it's quite easy to assume i post quite similarly than in my other town games. Before coming back he has never mentioned me in his filter. I would assume being his only scumread he would at least mention me no? Seems a pretty weird mafia-ploy to call you mafia for the same reasons he's going to call you town for later. *shrug* | ||
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