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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 02 2013 00:09 GMT
#841
And when people do not make plans mafia!Chezinu is gonna pick CPRdoc @ spot #23 rofl.
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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 02 2013 00:09 GMT
#842
Well given the positive feedback so far, I believe it is possible to get it going if enough people show up.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 02 2013 00:09 GMT
#843
On December 02 2013 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In every PYP game when top picks have claimed their picks and followed some sort of a plan there has been scum found in top 6.

And what are you trying to imply by that?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 02 2013 00:10 GMT
#844
On December 02 2013 09:09 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In every PYP game when top picks have claimed their picks and followed some sort of a plan there has been scum found in top 6.

And what are you trying to imply by that?

that plans are good pr the town.
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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
December 02 2013 00:18 GMT
#845
I'm fine with this plan if you can get it moving.
I feel like that's a pretty far stretch from where we are though.
It would be really useful for us townies in the lower brackets to know who not to pick as well so the town gets more power roles. Because other than this plan I feel like there is a pretty good probability that most of the bottom bracket is going to get jinxed out of roles.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
December 02 2013 00:19 GMT
#846
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.

Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 02 2013 00:19 GMT
#847
At the same time it guarantees that scum get more roles too. I know we out number them, but I still have my reservations.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 02 2013 00:20 GMT
#848
I don't disagree that a mass claim is bad at some point. I don't think that point is just after roles are chosen.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 02 2013 00:22 GMT
#849
On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.

Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia.

This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways.
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
December 02 2013 00:24 GMT
#850
On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.

Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia.

Well, so how about people just claim what champion they pick? No need to reveal hidden abilities afterwards. I don't understand the problem.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
December 02 2013 00:24 GMT
#851
leaning defensive over supportive

willing to go with some sort of plan
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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
December 02 2013 00:25 GMT
#852
well actually I'm going to semi 180 on my previous statement aswell.
I could see the benefit of getting more blue roles into the game still.
But it does bring up the issue that there are some roles out there you probably don't want mafia to know who has right away.
So with that logic the problem with this idea is that if most claim mafia can stab at the odd ones out that don't.
I feel like this is a all or nothing and at this point I don't honestly think we have enough time to get everyone on the same page either.

So ye, my conclusion is we shouldn't do this.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 02 2013 00:27 GMT
#853
Who gives a fuck about some 2 or 3 town roles that if exposed to mafia might get killed on early when the possible alternative is that half of the town is gonna end up being vanilla?
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
December 02 2013 00:27 GMT
#854
On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.

Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia.

This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways.

I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.

However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 02 2013 00:28 GMT
#855
It's not like "if the town is not gonna get X or Y role or claim them we are gonna lose".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 02 2013 00:29 GMT
#856
On December 02 2013 09:27 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 09:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Roles do not = alignment. Mass claiming roles really doesn't give anyone an idea of anyones alignment. And given the sheer fact every role has hidden shit Outing all that hidden shite is dumb. Mafia clearly didn't want to deal with dt roles this game and if anyones secret role info ends up being a dt why would you out that for mafia? Also people having x roles means any role that requires knowing someone elses role to activate or reach full power of said role gives mafia a huge advantage. It also lets mafia snipe more threatening roles to them more quickly and also makes it harder to determine peoples alignment given that they can shoot based off of "that role would suck to face" as opposed to offing people who are being solid townies, etc.. and thus throwing town into chaos.

Claiming is situational and a mass claim does not help the town anywhere near as much as it helps mafia.

This post is totally wrong but i don't really care because people won't follow the plan anyways.

I wouldn't say it is totally wrong. Ever since town decided the best idea was to ban out the obvious mafia roles, which was a horrible idea because those would be easy mafia kills, roles do not = aliment.

However, giving mafia the power roles free reign is an incredibly stupid idea and come day I will be roleclaiming and voting anyone who doesnt

The point was to ban the roles so that mafia needs to ban the investigative roles which leaves more room for other good roles to be in the game. Investigations can't be trusted anyways unless townies deny framer/GF/etc. Did you even read the thread yet?
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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
December 02 2013 00:29 GMT
#857
Rayn, I initially really liked your plan because of that fact.
I'm only hesitant on it know because there are still a lot of people that aren't here...
So what's the point in like 10% of us guessing and still ending up vanilla?
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
December 02 2013 00:30 GMT
#858
ebwop on it now*
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 02 2013 00:31 GMT
#859
On December 02 2013 09:29 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Rayn, I initially really liked your plan because of that fact.
I'm only hesitant on it know because there are still a lot of people that aren't here...
So what's the point in like 10% of us guessing and still ending up vanilla?

Yeah there is no point. That's why i said i don't really care, there is not enough people.. :p
And btw it was sandroba's plan, not mine.
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OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
December 02 2013 00:32 GMT
#860
oh, well my fault for mixing that up.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
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