PYP: League of Legends Mafia - Page 12

Idon't know what makes you think he is playing well?
He played "well" in LXI aswell, not shitting up the thread, making cases and so on. He is not actually doing anything useful here.
Vigi should shoot him.

No they shouldn't.

Lazy metric incoming - geript had 13 pages of filter in LXI over what, 7 or 8 cycles? He's on 9 pages here on Night 1. A pretty good reason to be looking elsewhere right now.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 10:57 GMT

#2646

I'm pretty sure Koshi is not an idiot, he has been provided with ideas, and he will choose a good invention, whether it be his own or someone else's idea. We can judge him if he doesn't do something good. There's not much point poking him about it in the interim.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:03 GMT

#2649

On December 04 2013 15:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MZ what do you think of this:

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Do you think VE is just lazy or does he have some other agenda of not really wanting to lynch LSB?
For me it didn't really seem like he was trying to lynch his top read.

I'm not really sure this is true or fair. I think he did actually. It's also a bit of a struggle to imagine that probably the highest-placed scumplayer on the draft would really pick Lux for some WIFOM-reasons when it's a useless role for mafia to pick.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:08 GMT

#2652

oh, you said this yourself a little later rayn. That's why you finish reading the thread and THEN post.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:11 GMT

#2653

On December 04 2013 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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So is Koshi scum, he has usually at least 12 pages of filter after 2 day phases?
Okay vigi should not shoot geript, vigis should shoot all the people with 1 page of filter. But it does not change the fact that geript is scum. He is good player as town and this is nowhere near good. Like kushmasta who clearly does has not cared about the game besides one read has done much more. geript has shouted to peole left and right and had some scumreads i have no idea why they are scum.

I think geript is town. Simply enough. Don't think he'd be this active or care this much as mafia. Maybe the way he pushed Oats is bad or something but that doesn't make him mafia. Don't see why you think geript is good as town (no offence geript) but I also think plenty of what he said evidenced proper thinking about the game. He was wrong about bum (so was I) but he picked out bum's progression on the jcarl read, he said interesting things about jay's paranoia on his read on me (whether correct or not) and other interesting things. I just don't see why he should be mafia.

Koshi often has really slow starts to games. My notes in LXII I gave him a weird townread because I couldn't believe he'd be so useless as mafia. In ## I was suspicious on Day 1 for being useless and by mid-Day 2 he was my strongest townread.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:18 GMT

#2659

Doesn't make the metric wrong, it makes the people who lynched you baddies :>

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:18 GMT

#2660

Enough about an ongoing game though.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:22 GMT

#2663

On December 04 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i can aswell the stop playing if we are going to just lynch lurkers. Impossible to tell someone like Coag's or Rean's alignment.Yeah, i can lynch both of them.

We never just "lynch lurkers" especially on Day 2. Cephiro was a "lurker" but I was still very sure he was mafia.

By and large I agree with Prome's sentiments on Jonny. Mostly I'm just sad I let myself forget about it when sand started pushing bum at me. Don't actually remember Jonny doing anything except the fact he got called out, came in shouting about it, then disappeared again.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:24 GMT

#2664

Turns out I misremembered and he did post a few times. Meh. Will think about it more later I guess.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:32 GMT

#2667

On December 04 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So i don't understand. Why is ticklishmusic excused from his bad meta read on me (i am still a bit bitter on this) but JohnnyLaw can still be scum when he has done some meta-research.

Ugh, i hate when people hold different standards to different people.

Of course people are held to different standards? That's part of why mafia is interesting, what is a scumtell for one person may be a towntell for another person, or infinite other examples. You're going to hold grush to the same standard as Palmar? jaybrundage to the same standard as Foolishness? If syllogism makes bad leaps of logic or doesn't pick up on something he should, he's damn likely to be mafia, but so many average players will routinely make the same mistakes as town.

Weird thing to complain about really.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:35 GMT

#2669

You use the metric yourself. That game we played offsite? I immediately picked up on brian's post as wishy washy and thought he was mafia for it, but you defended him specifically because for brian, he's more likely to be like that as town than mafia. Obviously he turned out as mafia anyway, but the point is, you still hold different standards and tells for people yourself.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:36 GMT

#2670

On December 04 2013 20:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And actually, nobody is allowd to use "do you think mafia would pick role X at spot Y?".

Because i will ask you do you think mafia would pick CPRdoctor at spot #20? Well they, would, di, and got it.

There's a big difference from crossing your fingers and picking an insanely strong mafia role at the bottom of a draft, and wasting completely a very high draft position as mafia to pick a town-only role. (if we're doing the VE example)

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:37 GMT

#2673

I'm in no hurry, if i die somehow tonight you'll filter me, otherwise we'll be alive to talk about it tomorrow. Not rehashing my filter because you're lazy, dear.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:40 GMT

#2674

On December 04 2013 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I don't see the difference between those players. ticklishmusic has not played here, JonnyLaw is quite new. So what's the difference?

There's a difference between not-playing at all and being relatively new, by the way. Just check Jonny's first and second newbie games, they look quite different. Otherwise it's about the other stuff that they've posted too. Of all the lurkers I think ticklish looks kinda townish really. Saw something he posted in my catchup about some interactions between a few players. Non-routine thinking, seems ok.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:44 GMT

#2678

On December 04 2013 20:42 Promethelax wrote:
Also, explain away my uneasy feelings about geript's post about having no bans. Give me a new explanation that gels with him being town.

Given the tone of the post, I'm not sure why you're taking it seriously at all?

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 11:49 GMT

#2680

On December 04 2013 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP: Yeah marv, i worded my post poorly, last post of mine is what my concern is. Of course different players should be treated differently, i just don't see the difference between those two guys and therefore i don't understand the different treatment.

Also keep in mind that every character has another power. It's not badfor scum to pick a DT-role now that i think of it. I think i actually argued with LSB about it early on in the game. I would totally pick DT if i was scum. Easy to fake reports and good "fakeclaim" for your other power (because you should never use your other power unless it's a vigi shot and you have confirmed scum).

I'm not going to keep talking about this, so probably the last post on this specific subject matter. Regardless of alignments, I think it's fairly obvious that JonnyLaw and ticklish are not exactly the same sort of player. I can only judge by what's in front of me. Looks like you're judging differently, fine. Atm I back my judgement on what I've seen from ticklish.

Re: picking powers. Still think it's unlikely, even if you'd supposedly do it. Just don't see the point like I said, it's just WIFOM reasons, it's a really meh reason. Hmmmm. hmmm. Well... the good reason to pick it as mafia is that so town don't get it actually. That maybe changes things on that front.

I do feel good about VE specifically for agreeing with me vs sandroba on the Mocsta vs MZ thing. sandroba said they both looked dodgy, and VE jumped in saying that he didn't really see why MZ was looking dodgy from that, which at the time is exactly what I was thinking (I came in and +1 VE effectively). I dunno. I think VE is town, but I'm more wary than I was when I started this post.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 14:00 GMT

#2700

He has 17 pages on N1, that's a very large amount of posting. I feel like I've posted near-constantly and I'm 5 pages behind still.

Don't be silly.

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 14:42 GMT

#2709

Could you make some retrospective watchy/tracky sort of item?

marvellosity

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December 04 2013 14:48 GMT

#2712

I'm not terribly good/creative at these things. But whatever. There's tons of useful information stuff like that you should be able to make if they're not going to give you straight alignment stuff, right?

Like for a non-LoL example: DNA kit - swab player X and find out who player X visited the previous night, and also whichever other players were at player X's target, and also who visisted player X. (like a supergood tracker+watcher that makes sense).

I dunno, play around with stuff like that maybe?

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