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On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote: Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. | ||
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On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again. Important things for everyone to know: As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation - Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine. The others no idea. Really? You dont know me yet? | ||
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Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. | ||
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On November 20 2013 22:21 Mocsta wrote: onegu your 3 posts, I cannot comprehend the motive behind those posts - if you are town walk me through why the items you have discussed are the most relevant items in the thread to . Umm I think you are scum with rean. Catching scum would be my motive. | ||
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On November 20 2013 22:34 Mocsta wrote: u hadn't posted yet. plus u have had a meta change for me at least since Hogwarts. what is your read on thrawn,because if you are worried about me the corollary isb that you should be worried about thraawn I am but of the two you look worse, and while it is possible two of who I consider better players in this game could be scum, ots more likely only one is and your thread control doesnt look natural. | ||
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On November 20 2013 22:40 Aquanim wrote: Well, I guess that answers my question. Is your entire scum read on Mocsta due to that business with his post limit? That and his early post about giving scum reads to like the only three people who posted. Plus his thread control doesnt seem natural, its like he saw he could do it as scum but wasnt planning on doing it but he did it anyway. Ill give more when Im back home. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:02 Mocsta wrote: if catching scum is your motive 1. why are you not probing rean ifbhe is your scum read? 2. you haven't queired me at all to discern my alignment. ok you think I'm scum. yet, you don't make a case or probe me.. instead you run a smear campaign using fancy buzzwords and zero content. so for another time, why is this the only thing worth commenting about in the whole thread? Because I commented on my scum reads. Ill be home in a hour or so. | ||
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On November 20 2013 15:22 Mocsta wrote: Post 8 (1) I won't have a post restriction anymore, but I will be numbering my posts so I can try and force consolidation. (2) I wouldn't shoot anyone right now. JJD, Vonthin, Onegu, LM, Jampidampi have yet to post. Thats just under 50% of the game. Having said that: if I had a one-time bullet that kills scum and misses town; I would shoot between Sciberbia/Corazon/Bereft. Pur quoi? Warning MASSIVE PLAY-BY-PLAY ANALYSIS of therad + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 12:14 Bereft wrote: THE POPO AINT SHUTTIN US DOWN I find this tone overdone / try-hard. Its only a very slight negative lean. On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum. Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null. Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd. I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too. Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to "echo" what I said. On November 20 2013 12:19 Bereft wrote: explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. I find this tone too aggressive. As I stated in my retort to Bereft, scum like to interupt town circles. Thrawn is hardly confirmed to me, but of the 7 people to post, he is my best town read. I will give this a null tell by itself - however if Bereft keeps up the aggression I will be treating him as scum. On November 20 2013 12:26 sciberbia wrote: That's interesting. I assumed you were coming to the opposite conclusion, since to me his response looks more "sarcastic and dodgy" than "just saying no". What about his response strikes you as relaxed? + Show Spoiler [sarcastic and dodgy] + On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote: Scum: a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid. No, I am not. I am a mobster, which is typically "scum" in the world of forum-mafia However, in this game, roles are reversed and of the town I am. Again, as stated before this reads to me gentle prodding: NOT for information, but to discredit. Coming back to the thread, Aquanim reads a lot more calm/composed to me so is back to null. I think Sciberbia has jumped too brashly into an opportunity to shit-sling and from a player of his analytical background I find this highly suspicious. On November 20 2013 12:27 Bereft wrote: agreed, very high chance imo. only potentially succeeded by this even more 'safe' entrance: also trolly and ingratiating because why are you smiling at me? i've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? i don't know about you, but i've come from a tough city, living on the streets, forced to make a living in any way possible. i don't smile at passerby's on the street. the only people that do, do so with a smug sneer, and they are the pigs. I have a problem with this post because its completely 180' with where my mindset is in the thread. I also do not like the interplay between Sciberbia and Bereft. I want to avoid making association reads without flips but I find Bereft is overly defensive and certainly not natural. "I've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? In one phrase: Its just over compensated. On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. I saw some people give Thumbs up for this post. I thought it stunk - real bad. I think Corazon needs to use soap next time he has a shower. Its a bunch of generic policy stuff and is how I used to love playing scum (in the newbies). Technically the post is null as inexperienced town can do this and supposedly we can judge corazon based on how he implements this. My issue with this post was the last paragraph: "On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page.You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game." I find it odd that Corazon is confident enough to say that the posters on the first page are all town (Sciberbia, Bereft, Thrawn, Aquanim, Corazon, myself) and simultaneously ignore my post giving scum reads to Bereft/Sciberbia/Aquanim. I think this is damage control. On November 20 2013 12:40 cDgCorazon wrote: I'd like to say that mason falls under the role of "standard roles" and could be potentially in this set-up. Very intriguing... This might be Mocsta using moclogic.. but I treat this as a scum slip. Corazon jumps to the natural conclusion that we are both confirmed, so assumes we did it through a role = mason. I think anyone else without game knowledge can piece together we were takling about the "de ja vu" from before. At the least it shows Corazon is NOT reading the thread closely which is suspicious for this many posts. Ditto the corazon read above  On November 20 2013 12:47 Bereft wrote: he's referencing mocsta saying that i'm trying to disrupt their town circle: I will give Bereft town points here. He has arrived at the natural conclusion. So back to null. - Rean than makes a really bad introduction post, but thats null. If anything its town that usually make such "zero content" posts because they actually believe what they are saying they think it *is* content. On November 20 2013 12:52 Rean wrote: Think he means they have town reads based on previous meta or something. Not actually confirmed-confirmed. Comes to the natural conclusion albeit slightly differently. I think this is very townie though. He knows nothing of thrawn or myself... could not interpret what I meant when i said thrawn is town so assumed it was meta based. This demonstrates a guy thinking about the game. Its not anything to be confirmed town, but is a very good sign this early in the game. - Then Corazon/Sci shit the thread up. On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote: *snip* On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive? Aqua is thinking the same way I do. I like this. He is a lot more polite about his suspicions/prodding though. On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. This resposne is really bad as once again it completely ignores the content I posted about those players. Maybe I'm wrong, but at this stage of the game it illicits a response regardless. Horse blinkers like these are not a good sign this early on. On November 20 2013 13:00 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [cora] + On November 20 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote: My post basically said "so you are claiming mason? interesting..." Your post said "you are mason?" So I guess you could say that a lack of reaction is a difference. But it's not like we "aren't saying at all the same thing". @cora You made the assumption that he was claiming mason and commented on its plausibility. I found that assumption troubling, and asked him if he was in fact claiming mason. + Show Spoiler [cora] + I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. @cora Guilty as charged. I dislike random bullshit phase. Just because most games start with a bunch of trolling doesn't mean we have to. I think we're actually doing quite well so far. Personal heuristic but I find early game its only scum that use phrases like this. "I think we're actually doing quite well so far" How the heck does town have a guage on what is good/bad when only 50% of the players have participated. On November 20 2013 13:01 Bereft wrote: and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? Bereft is either comfortable distancing team mates, or is town. - I am not familiar enough with his meta to make an opinion yet. I like that he picks up on this stuff to corazon that I already identified earlier. Still null. On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. I dunno, this is just too haste from Corazon. Everyone knows he is "sensitive" and prone to OMGUS so it does dilute the read a touch, however, I can't keep getting over this is scum-to-scum interaction. "You're grasping at straws" + "you are looking pretty scummy" are strong words and stances, yet, does it really read like Corazon is *trying* to get Sciberbia lynched? I dont sense congruence here. Again, scum-to-scum interactions I think... - I like the way Aquanim is prodding Rean. On November 20 2013 13:07 cDgCorazon wrote: He didn't do it with just me. He told Moc and I that it was scummy that we made troll posts. At least Mocsta was direct in saying who he thought was scummy instead of sciberia who is only doing a "window looking" version of scum hunting. This post is null to me. Corazon reads very emotional so its hard to understand motive. On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote: he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you. i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? Bereft is starting to look better as is reading the actual content behind the queries. Rean does the same. - I entirely agreed with Thrawn vote at that time On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote: Excellent post from Aquanim. If hes scum, hes playing a great game because hes asking the questions that are in my head as Im reading it. That is very hard to do as scum.@Corazon I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I think this is a scum-slip. Corazon is too assertive in his read and this goes beyond emotion. When I read this, I take it as someone who is speaking "matter of fact". This is enough for me to be 90% confident that both Sciberbia and Corazon are scum. There is no way that enough content has been delivered in this thread for a town person to jump to such a strong conclusion as this. Event hough I think Sciberbia is scummy, I do think he came in here with the intention to troll like this. I was just posting a theory. On November 20 2013 13:40 sciberbia wrote: Do you find this behavior suspicious from Aquanim or are you simply making an observation? The question is fair, however, in context of thread events this is aterrible post. Corazon is slamming into Sciberbia, and this is what Sciberbia thinks is relevant to discuss? WTF? On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. This post does not align with his strong opinion in the previous post. Im starting to sound tunneled because I am now so so so certain Corazon and Sciberbia are scum. On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote: I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.) As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information. I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next. I still want an answer to this from you: I am not a fan of Aquanim for this interpretation however, I also know he is more calculated than I am so can accept a town Aquanim may play out the thread like this. Im going to go null but will be curious how Aquanim chooses to interpret this massive post and my conclusions. On November 20 2013 13:46 cDgCorazon wrote: Would you vote someone on being the "least townie"? Talking about town reads is only good to high-five and pat each other on the back and compliment each other's town play. It doesn't get scum lynched. More generics from Corazon. Importantly, he just called Sciberbia scum last page and now is acting as if nothing happened. Deffo scum On November 20 2013 13:57 sciberbia wrote: @Rean What is your strongest scumread right now and why? Again, he also dodges the shit-ball fight of Corazon. Some may argue that is towny to avoid this and not shit the thread. However, the key differentiator I find is that if town choose that approach they would also ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of the read. Sciberbia just dodges it and hopes no one brings it up further. Very bad. On November 20 2013 13:57 Rean wrote: This guy is interesting. As scum I think I would phrase things similar to this guy because there is always an 'out'. I think in this instance, this is a townie with an opinion speaking naturally and as the thought comes to his mind. Can evaluate him more if the flips on Corazon/Sciberbia go awry - which I doubt.Persuasive...it's a good argument. Sciberbia was being more laidback, trying to avoid comitting to anything, so it definitely makes him look scummy. Overall the kind of argument that gets discussion started and gets us somewhere useful, I quite like it. Guess persuasive would be a decent way to describe it. In short I am very comfortable to lynch Corazon and Sciberbia. I would lynch Corazon because him trying to wriggle out of it will be more fun/alignment-revealing in my opinion. ##Vote: cDgCorazon and to answer your question, I would shoot Sciberbia as he is the other half. [/QUOTE] Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go. 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:47 Mocsta wrote: Wow Onegu really knows how to shit the thread. Those reads were made void a long time ago. If you want to stop wasting the time of a bunch of other people in the thread spoiler shit. There was no need for those reads to be unspoilered from their original state. I just pushed quote and then wrote. And alot of what I wrote stands true as your motives for writeing them are still real and they havent changed. And your reasons for makeing those reads are scummy. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:52 Mocsta wrote: Hes scum claiming. Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta for any doubters Dont talk about ongoing games. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:59 Mocsta wrote: Chortle You realise you are getting lynched Day2 after Aquanim? Why not day 1 day one and aqua isnt scummy rean is so much worse than him. | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote: Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not. The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder. I never made a case on you its a case on mocsta where the quote tags got messed up somehow... | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well this answer is much better in case it's true. I didn't even read Onegu's post because i know 98% from it can't possibly make anyone scum. Didnt you say the samething in WC, and iirc sylencia was like then shouldnt you read it for the 2%. Anyway I will be around on and off all day, Will be on and off through the day my son has a doctors appointment. I am still reading from last night | ||
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On November 21 2013 15:23 sciberbia wrote: @Mocsta As I already mentioned Onegu does not play scum scared. Read his Desert Mini filter if you must. If I recall correctly he states there is a good chance hapa/marv are scum on day 1, and suggests they be analyzed. Rean lynch is probably also OK. I'll consolidate on Rean if it comes down to him and Aquanim. And I see you've written another case on me. Guess I'll respond to that next And I made a case on sylencia my other scummate day 1. I bus and I bus hard as scum. But Im town, and wish I rolled scum, its so much more fun to be scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 15:32 Aquanim wrote: @Onegu Could you explain this further? Do you think he's scum, or are you just happy to see him? Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the best case in this game. Because this is terrible rayn, remember how I was talkimg about if rayn believes in his cases or not makes him scum or town. Yeah there is no way rayn believes this. After in WC I didnt vote my top scumread as town, he knows town do this, yes oir reasons are different but aquas reason is believeable as it was less than 12 hours into day 1. | ||
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On November 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: Yes I know you are doing that Rayn. In my opinion: just state the facts, and let them speak for themselves (i know easier said than done). we need to trust in the town as this game is majority consensus to lynch (50% + 1). Hence, when you put a case out there, you need to have patience and let others respond. By upgrading your case 3 times before a response, it puts off people from commenting as its effectively "TL;DR" Something seems off about this post, first sometimes you have to hammer town into looking at your case, rayn maybe does this a bit much, but this post is almost like make a case and shutup about it so it falls to the side. | ||
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Thrawn1221 + Show Spoiler + Null first troll post Cora vote was really wierd same with his unvote Dont like his trolly interaction with mocsta but its null Case on Aqua is better, he also follows it up later with questions. His response to JJD about cora I liked alot giving his thought process on the event Votes rean with no reason Points out coras lie isnt alignment indicative which I agree Points on LM and Jamp are good but in the case of LM thats how he always plays. Then changes LM thoughts saying it doesnt mean much and talks about him being replaced- town points Can understand his rayn vote, bjt think je is wrong Rean + Show Spoiler + First post comes into thread saying he agrees with cora but never actually says what he agrees with-very scummy Doesnt answer questions veey clearly Makes a terrible post on me being scum but not likeing my wagon Either evades questions or only responds exactly what was asked doesnt volenteer any info When responding to the wishy washy post he made being called out gives another wishy washy post saying Im very scummy but I could just be stupid, then says I am a distraction. Says if Aqua flips town Im a good lynch the next day. How are me and Aqua connected how am I not a good lynch reguardless of aquas flip Scummy JarJarDrinks + Show Spoiler + Agree with almost all of his thoughts, we think almost the same things Defends me to sciberia Calls out rayns bad case on aqua Tunnels onto rayn and is fairly open to why he is doing so CDgCorazon + Show Spoiler + Didnt like his thing on sciberia and the mason thing, sci could have just not refreshed Says rean is scummy and the points on him are valid but he shouldnt be voted-scum points Agrees that my posts dont care how they are precieved but still has a scumread on me Calls bereft out for calling out rayn for sleeping, but bereft doesnt call rayn scummy in that post just asks him a question. Doesnt read carefully thinking I made a case on him when it was a case on mocsta so obviously he didnt read all. Despite this I cannot shake the feeling he is town Bereft + Show Spoiler + Calls out mocsta for troll posts, first to do so. Rean vote is ok, reasons arent great, better reasons other people are voteing him but meh Makes a unreadable post with one of his scum reads then votes him after. Also doesnt read my post clearly thinking its a cora case, even though he claims to have read my filter. His reads are ok. thoughts on why rayn is scum but dont agree. Also rayn useing bullshit alot isnt alignment indicative for him Rayn + Show Spoiler + Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town, Calls out bereft also like but I disagree Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Mocsta+ Show Spoiler + Puts a post restriction on himself then procedes to troll the first multiple posts. Gives three people scum reads on first page then says until other half of thread posts scummy Takes away post restriction after cora calls himoit, but why keep it going in the first place looks like he planned on really doing it otherwise number posts His thread recap his reads are the almost exact opposite of how I read the thread His meta analysis of me is best I have seen, he is aware that I adapt my scum games to change my meta to compensate dor how I habe been playing town His post on you should make a case then leve it alone was really scummy Randomly flips his read on me but its for a BS reason as the reason he gives I am perfectly capable of doing as scum Not sure how he thinks my atk on marv could be different if I was scum this game and atkd him His post calling out cora for not voteing is so scummy saying reans flip is so much better than anyome elses even if he is town Wild theroy post so baddddddd Dont like his atk on rayn. Aquanim+ Show Spoiler + Slightly scummy first post with bad follow up But calling out rean early and often to answer questions is nice His post on people that are voteing for him I like his thought process here alot. No problem with his voteing his second stromgest scumread and his explination is fine also Gives good responses to questions asked to him and volenteeres extra info LM\HF lurk replace out then no posts no reads or notes other than null for LM Sciberia+ Show Spoiler + Makes a case on me when everyone elae was calling me scummy but not doing anything about it \townie His defense of aquas spicydino post looks bad His tunnel on me still looks good though Calls out Reans wishy washy post on me being scummy but not likeing my wagon\ town poimts Continues to call me scum even though thread thoughts habe somewhat changed and everything going on around him\ townie His case on mocsta is ok but not greadt Jamp + Show Spoiler + Not much sticks out early to get a good read He questions rayn about him changeing his reads, but that is what rayn does until he finds a tunnel target Calls out aqua for failing at reading, and for aqua thinking about his image, and this is dumb because aqua announces it in thread about his image and that is how some townies play its not alignmemt indicative But his continued assult on aqua and not much else is slightly null. Then talks to rayn about voteing aqua. Want to see something other than aqua now Anyway mocsta is my biggest scumread now. Also Rayn is a terrible lynch today please change, ill try to be up for deadline but no promises. Anyway its 2:30am and typeing all that up on a tablet is difficult. ##VOTE:Mocsta @Rayn stop marytring and come back and push your reads. | ||
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On November 21 2013 14:35 Bereft wrote: if it's not a case on cora, what's your case for voting cora? Here is the post you are missing mocsta, here is where he thinks its a case on cora. I have been sick and am now really far behind in everything I am not even up to the lynch yet but when you say I am misrepresenting bereft and you look for the posts I was talking about you missed this one, also if you have more questions on my notes post about what posts I am talking about I am happy to pull them up for you. Also mocsta saying he doesnt believe I am not around for deadline is utter BS my timezone is close to his, except I have a wife and kids so he should know its not easy for me to make this deadline so calling me out for it is scummy. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote: i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. Yet on page one of his filter he quotes my case here, so he isnt reading me clearly. | ||
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On November 22 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote: I thought you had bigger balls. I don't want to play with Rayn anymore full stop. We had a good town environment until page 25ish and I was relaly enjoying this game. He has single handedly shit the thread and this game has completely denigrated into somethign I have no interest playing anymore. My vote is staying on Rayn. /post-game If rayn is town this game, you will be added to my personal ban list. Im pretty fucking disgusted right now. Lol this comeing from the guy who called me dipshit. Get over it. | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:06 Mocsta wrote: Thank you. I dont have a problem you didnt want to read the post - that is normal. I dont agree with your reasoning; however,i dont know you very well so it i wont argue it either. (in my opinion) Call outs like what you did only occur when you have a strong read on someone and then the "where da fuq did that post come from" identifies an opposite alignment on that person. If you could not find enough scumminess in onegu filter; do you think he cares about seeing a lynch through? Jeez it was 230am and when I voted mocsta look at the wagons, rayn 7 votes who Im not going to vote for a town read when he had majority already, and every one else had either no votes or one vote. So stop trying to say this. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:10 cDgCorazon wrote: Doesn't Onegu's vote look really scummy with Rayn's flip? How? | ||
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On November 22 2013 11:57 cDgCorazon wrote: OMG RAYN IM STICKING MY NECK OUT FOR YOU AND YOU ARE GONNA MARTYR FUCK YOU MAN JUST FUCK YOU Also rayns martyr is the correct play in majority lynch, he knows his flip is valuable for info. His flip proved alot of stuff. Like most likely all scum was on his wagon. He gives credibility to his reads. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:50 Mocsta wrote: The original counter-wagons were Rean / Aqua As a musing The day had 2 halves Half 1: Before Rayn chucked martyred Half 2: After Rayn martyred My reads from Half 1 were: and then The common denominators are Rean + Jampidampi. Jampidampi is terrible as he refused to commit to anything accusations on rayn last night (from recollection) Rean is terrible for that post he made. It reads as if he knew he was not getting lynched so decided to keep quiet. I dont like holyflare, but hes low priority for me - over the next cyles Im sure if he is town he can start proving it. So bad dont you think rayn was more confident in his reads closer to his death when he had more info? So you look at old reads and mix them with your reads so you can push your reads and then saying hey look rayn thought they were scum too and he flipped town. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:58 Holyflare wrote: I told you them in LXIII, a game in which both you and thrawn were/are in. How do you not know what rayn town tells are by now? Stop multiple people you have mentioned havent flipped. | ||
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On November 22 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote: Btw, I think Thrawn is town. I did very much 24hrs ago; and his compulsion to keep swapping votes is towny to me. It could put him heavily under suspicion when rayn flipped town, and frankly, was unnecessary as scum play. I thought Aqua was town from 24hrs ago as well. Holy states that aqua is ignoring everything, but that is not my opinion. If anything, Aqua can't stop bantering back with Rayn. Again, this is over done knowing it is a town flip. Aqua could have easily nested on his read - but he did not. I have a town lean on him, but wiill still be reading his cases carefully (and with Rayn gone I expect more output like cases from him) Me: I was transparent about policy. You want to call that mafia, whatever. I knwo this game is 100% different to my recent scum game. Nothing more needs to be said + I dont knwo why you keep insinuating I am intimate with Rayns meta. I have expectations of his play, but I am not a connoiseur of him at all. Onegu: Looks pretty bad I agree regardless of AFK. This in particular. Nothing to do with the AFK its got to do with how he went about the situation. He gives rayn a town read, and forces town to consider Rayns thread opposition (me) Compare this to Corazon who is trying to avoid continuing this ego battle - Onegu instead fans the flames. Onegu *is* scum Not fanning flames, posting reads that at least one was correct. No idea how my voteing you and calling rayn town is in anyway fanning flames. I am so confident you are scum now, you flip flop on your reads soooo often, you misrepresent things like this post and you are overall just scummy. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:47 Aquanim wrote: You mean a scum off the Rayn lynch besides Onegu? Lol, Im back. Im the best flip for day 2 because then you can lynch mocsta and bereft in order, followed by up to you, but this post I am scum is so bad. | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:59 Mocsta wrote: Thrawn Very quick. In phone thoughts with no reread Jjd Still town. I like the way he kept pushing Corazon about a point. He's always backing himself up with filter so good consistency. I don't like that he assumed rayn could be right about Me.. but. Town can make those snap calls all the time. Plus jjd was suspicious of me at the start so I think there is progression to his comment. Still town Bereft Yeah I'm a little concerned went into a big spiel to justify rayn lynch. Um not sorry about it. I'm not really sure the town motive to give that spiel as bereft wasn't under pressure to justify actions. I'm not sure if bereft is a townie that wanted to policy lynch rayn but doesn't want to admit. Or is scum hiding behind policy and again doesn't want to admit it. Inoe that onegu presented the quote where bereft thinks onegu case wasn't on me but Cora.. I have to think about it. Iverlall I would say that tell is null because that onegu case was so poorly formatted abd constructed it's message was never clear. Will give bereft benefit of the doubt and say slight town lean. If anything is not worth considering when people like holy abd onegu are alive Lastly I did not like how onegu addressed me over night. Seemed almost like a begging for forgiveness yonr. If onegu really thought I was scum I would have expected more venom. Food for thought. Gotta go. Sorry I couldn't be of more use This blows my mind how was I begging your forgiveness?!?! I know you are givimg me a not scum read but this is soooo bad of a reason. | ||
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On November 23 2013 11:43 cDgCorazon wrote: About to eat dinner- giving my final brief reads just in case I die (I probably won't) Coming into D2, I want to lynch Onegu. His play has been really shady and he needs to be under the gun D2. He does not care about who gets lynched which is a huge scum tell. I'd also be cool lynching Jampi for similar reasons. HF blaming Mocsta for the lynch is really scummy seeing as if HF was town and didn't like the lynch, he could just back off it. I'd be down for lynching one of those three tomorrow. Sciberia's vote was really shady as it came with no explanation at the buzzer. From what I gathered up, he did not have a scum read on Rayn yet voted for him (let me know sci if I missed a post) Thrawn needs to have more of a presence in the thread and needs to stop buddying Mocsta and make his own reads. I'm not interested in lynching anyone outside of these 5 as of now. Of course I will be flexible depending on what happens. So bad cora, take a look at when I voted what the wagons were, it was rayn with majority, and no one else with more than 1 vote. | ||
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On November 23 2013 14:15 Mocsta wrote: I was posting stuff that stuck out as I was reading. Using analogies isn't scummy. Its when you dont use them and suddenly decide to. im specifically referencing "sharks were circling rayn" I dunno where my read on you sits; smoethings are good, somethings are bad. This probably means you are town, but im not confident. low priority to me regardless. Unfortunately the correct play is to leave HolyFlare alone. It is possible scum was RB or Delay KP. If Delay KP, its self-confirming. --> ezpz lynch later If RB, its odd play and the claim was made pre-lynch; suggesting its real. Absolutely dumb ass claim regardless. ##Vote: jampidampi *Maybe there is scum in the actives, but they can be figured out. Guys like this guy are too unknown. Early cycle is our best opportunity to put pressure. I have had an issue with him ever since he had the mindset to declare Corazon could be emotionally tunneled and then proceeding to tunnel aquanim over semantics. Because, I dont think he knows corazon that well, so the call emotional tunnel suggests he is highly analytical. This doesnt sit well with the lack of analytics with aquanim. I'm off again /ciao Really your vote goes on a lurker because you cant figure him out? So you go with a policy lynch day one followed by a lurker lynch because there isnt enough info to go on. I guess this is just a pressure vote but still. Also not sure what cora is doing this game. Im going to fill out my notebook, and be right back with my mocsta and bereft case, and yes I will go over things in my cases other people have already pointed out get over it. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:20 cDgCorazon wrote: Onegu dropped a vote away from Rayn and then peaced out. What would scum do if they knew town Rayn was probably going to be lynched 12 hours in advance? They wouldn't all pack on the Rayn wagon. That would be too obvious for a scum team. Wouldn't it make sense for Onegu to put a vote on Moc in the middle of the Rayn tunnel to look like he was making an effort to scum-hunt and then be able to distance himself from a Rayn lynch? I was transparent with my stance on Rayn and my decision to no-lynch. Onegu was very shady about it and I think it's because he is hiding the fact that he is scum. Im going to respond to this one more time, I have a town read on someone who I have started to feel real REAL comfortable in reading, I need to sleep and its almost 3am, I dont think I will be awake for deadline. Rayn my town read has 7 votes on him already and majority, everyone else has 1 or 0 votes on them. If you are town what do you do. EXACTLY what I did you vote your top scum read. | ||
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On November 23 2013 15:06 cDgCorazon wrote: Why haven't you been a factor in the scumhunting this whole game? You could've been there at the lynch. You could've chimed in a few hours before and said why you wanted to stay on Mocsta. It wasn't at an ungodly hour for where you were. Your vote, no matter how good it is, does not absolve you of the poor standard of play you have showed us so far. I couldnt be there at the lynch and I wont be here and any deadline most likely, I have responded to this already. | ||
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On November 23 2013 15:12 Aquanim wrote: My question was not meant to state that I specifically think Onegu's scum, simply that if Corazon thought Onegu was scum then the "scum OFF the Rayn lynch" had already been satisfied. I didn't want to lynch Mocsta and Bereft on Rayn's say-so after he flipped, and I won't want to lynch them on yours Onegu unless you make a very convincing argument. I will, and I want you to know something when I flip, rayn touched on it already, my reads are normally good but I have trouble getting town to see it. | ||
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Omg cora not everyone can be around for deadlines, with people playing from multiple timezones its just not possible. And for you to be so eliteist like this is just dumb, if I only joined games where I could be around for deadline I couldnt join 5/6 of the games as they are mostly made for US and Europe deadlines. | ||
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On November 23 2013 15:54 cDgCorazon wrote: The problem simply isn't that you can't be here for the deadlines, it's the fact that you do absolutely nothing in the 48 hours between deadlines. If you helped town figure out a lynch with the time you had to play, I would not have a problem with it. The problem I have is that you don't help town get any lynch at all and it just seems like you don't care. Why should we keep you around? I gave you my reads, I gave you my notes, yes I should have done more but irl stuff came up, I dont forsee that happening again. But you told me to replace out for missing deadlines, not for being unactive. You called me scum for bing inactive. Now your saying its both, you are contridicting yourself here cora. | ||
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On November 22 2013 22:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, not gonna apologize about the flip. I'm sure I'll have plenty say to Rayn post-game. Escpecially if Rean really is scum (which I still think). Gonna reread Onegu but I haven't thought he was scum @ all this game so I doubt that's gonna change. Not crazy about Holyflare so gonna look close @ him. Also gonna look into Rayns other scumreads though I don't know how much stock I can put into them because of how wrong he was about me. But I don't feel like he could really go 0 for 3 in his reads so if I had to choose 1 scum between Moc and Bereft, right now I'm gonna say it's Moc. But this is before my reread. I think rayn was wrong in one of his reads in you, but when I make my bereft and mocsta cases please look into them because town rayn does figure shit out. Also update your thoughts when you can. | ||
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On November 22 2013 23:09 Aquanim wrote: @Onegu I have two questions. 1) Why do you think all of the scum would be on Rayn's wagon? What motive does the scumteam have for pushing Rayn's lynch so hard? 2) Could you comment on what about Rayn's reads you find persuasive? 1) I am feeling at least 2 as they dont want a no lynch on rayn to happen, yes rayn is controversal and he takes over the thread, but a town rayn will figure things out and push his reads to death. Rayns vote being so close is why I say that. 2) Ill make my own cases in a moment, disagree with his JJD read though. | ||
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On November 23 2013 16:17 Aquanim wrote: I think that scum definitely wouldn't mind a no-lynch over lynching Rayn. Rayn shits up town atmosphere something chronic. Take a look sometime at how many games where rayn was killed N1 town won, and how many games where he was killed much later scum won. It's educational. Rayn figures shit out and not giving town free mislynches is important. I think no lynches are bad for town and scum, worse for town but depending on who is up for lynch scum want to get rid of that person and a town rayn fits that imo. | ||
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On November 23 2013 16:24 Aquanim wrote: In fact, the only way I can see scum sticking out their necks a long way to lynch Rayn is to save Rean, who was looking very likely to be the lynch otherwise. Meh I think I end up the wagon if rayn doesnt replace in. | ||
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On November 22 2013 12:48 cDgCorazon wrote: And that's what should be the focal point of N1. Posts this then follows up with these. On November 23 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote: No thread presence. He played a very little part in D1 and that doesn't reflect very well on my read on him. I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be him. I'd be down lynching him tomorrow if it comes to that. This only after being asked his thoughts on it. On November 23 2013 11:43 cDgCorazon wrote: About to eat dinner- giving my final brief reads just in case I die (I probably won't) Coming into D2, I want to lynch Onegu. His play has been really shady and he needs to be under the gun D2. He does not care about who gets lynched which is a huge scum tell. I'd also be cool lynching Jampi for similar reasons. HF blaming Mocsta for the lynch is really scummy seeing as if HF was town and didn't like the lynch, he could just back off it. I'd be down for lynching one of those three tomorrow. Sciberia's vote was really shady as it came with no explanation at the buzzer. From what I gathered up, he did not have a scum read on Rayn yet voted for him (let me know sci if I missed a post) Thrawn needs to have more of a presence in the thread and needs to stop buddying Mocsta and make his own reads. I'm not interested in lynching anyone outside of these 5 as of now. Of course I will be flexible depending on what happens. And this. This is his only mention of Jamp, there is no mention of rean. But they should be the focal point of n1. | ||
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On November 23 2013 16:42 cDgCorazon wrote: Onegu you're so bad. They lurked N1. Hard to talk to someone who isn't there. So what they werent there you can still talk about them, you didnt. | ||
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On November 23 2013 16:48 cDgCorazon wrote: At least I participated in the discussion. Thats my point you didnt as there was no discussion about them. Even though you said they should be the focus. Anyway Im at the mall now. Working on bereft first. | ||
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On November 23 2013 17:18 Mocsta wrote: Why is this relevant? My explanations are in the filter; I also suspect, that whatever I answer: (A) you won't believe me; (B) you will still think I am scummy. Seriously Onegu, make your case and then realise that this game requires a majority to lynch. You won't get a majority to lynch me --> which means you efforts on me are completely wasted --> Feigning contribution. I wanted Rayn lynched not because at the end i thought he was scummy; but because *I* thought that he would prevent town securing a majority lynch in the future cycles. I don't care whether the observers think that is a terrible decision because they are not playing in this game. In the situation: this was the decision I thought was best for town. I did not, nor do I have the means to force anyone to vote. Realise that enough people agreed with this to secure a Rayn lynch. Since when is makeing a case on someone I find scummy to be a waste if I am town, I fully expect scum to push my lynch today. Then when I flip my case wont be wasted ie people see Im town and look at my scum reads, and since we will have two town lynched and no nk and those two town have the same reads then the rest of the town should pay attention to that. Also Ill look for it in your filter but if I dont find why you say this game is differnt Ill be very disapoint you didnt answer my question because I will a) find it scummy or b) not believe you, because if its legit, no your prolly right im fairly hard tunneled on you, but maybe some other people that would believe you and find my question valid. | ||
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On November 23 2013 17:39 Mocsta wrote: You are hard tunneled, because I answered your question in my reply. I was stating that the same response in is my filter. You said scum will be pushing you this cycle. As far as I know, the only person with an agenda to come after you *solely* is Sciberbia. Do you have a updated opinion on Scibs? I actually believe you : / need to think if that is something you would say as scum though. | ||
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On November 23 2013 19:17 Bereft wrote: so... what you're saying is your case which you've spent hours upon hours writing rests largely on me being a newb? ...i look forward to reading it. if you are so convinced i'm scum, and my "meta" (i'm using the word "meta" loosely -- here my "meta" would be being a noob) can "drastically influence" your read on me, do you not think it worth your time to glance over a previous scum game of mine? versus say, spending a million hours writing up a case. here, have one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=432880&user=Bereft the filter is only 2 pages. it should only take about 15 minutes, then you can go back to spending another 4 hours writing the 2nd half of your case. No it has to do with my ability to read newbies, and stop I have already said Im not at home and playing this game isnt my top priority at the moment, but I here I responding to people and makeing the case, you will get it. And basicly I was asking if this was the only site you have played on, but your really agressive answer to a simple question is telling. | ||
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guys, sorry i'm still catching up on the thread (i know you hardxcore mafia players will laugh at this - "it's only 25 pages!" but here are my reasons for my scum lean on the following players: Cora+ Show Spoiler + i'm going to skip going over the whole early shaky scum read on scib since that's already been covered and addressed pretty thoroughly. things that stood out to me: On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. i think this post is really bad. i find it pretty odd that he finds it necessary to point out that scib is "piggy backing" on him and proceeds to waste an exchange with scib on whether they were in fact clarifying the same thing with thrawn. i find it hard to find a reason why townies would have this exchange or even care. who cares? he doesn't just mention this once. he argues the point SEVERAL times and is still bringing it up ages later (along with scib's bullshit page 1 "read") as the basis for his scum read: On November 21 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: This is a stupid read and smells of fake scum-hunting: This is the post where he basically copies me and then denies it: This is where he denies copying me and he twists my words to make it look like I already assumed they were masons: Rean+ Show Spoiler + wastes his first few posts just agreeing or clarifying things, and he's not even being useful in his clarifications. what i really don't like is that when i specifically call him out to pick his brain, he doesn't even give me *ANY* interpretation of what he thinks of the player. it's totally ambiguous. then, when Aqua calls him out, his answer is totally wishy washy and shady -- gives a town-read but 100% hedges it: On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote: i also find the interactions between cora and rean pretty weird and incongruous. even something small like cora calling rean out for asking for town reads i find a pretty weird point to common on -- the exchange is pointless as he doesn't draw any conclusion from it and just seems to be critiquing rean's play. what i also find noteworthy is that: (A) rean first FOS's sciberia when sciberia asks for his top scum read. (B) rean gives a soft defense of cora to moc (C) but then suddenly cora becomes a scum read and he says: BUT THEN!! after aqua votes for him, IN THE VERY NEXT POST: i spent 10 mins trying to fix those quotes in the rean spoiler. i give up, sorry guys. going through aqua and onegu's filters now. A few things about this post the only thing he finds scummy is coras atk on scib about him piggybacking him about the mason thing. This is far from damning, I didnt like it either but Im not going to give cora a scum read for this. It really looks like nitpicking to me. Second the case on rean is completely unreadable and he never gives a tldr later. While this isnt scummy its at least null . And the lack of a tldr even when voteing rean. He just calls out rean for a different post. Also here he says he is reading my filter. [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 12:45 Bereft wrote: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 07:08 cDgCorazon wrote: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon i believe sciberbia when he says it was a discussion starter (the first post). Do you believe you two may have just looked things differently about your mason-incident? Because i find that to be the most likely explanation. I don't think either of you is lying or trying to make shit up, you just read each other's posts differently. I agree with you on Aquanim and Onegu. What do you think of Bereft?[/QUOTE] I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to think of Bereft, other than the fact that he is lurking. I hate lurker lynches D1. I wonder if he will come back. If I may return the favor, how do you feel about LoneMeow? Would you place him on the same lurker level as Bereft? The one post I remember of his was not a very good one.[/QUOTE] also, phrasing on this stood out to me. think whatever you want! you're not obligated to feel any particular way about me.[/QUOTE] He never says if this is scummy, just it stuck out to him, and why there is nothing wrong with his wording again I feel this is nitpicking. [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 13:05 Bereft wrote: Rean is my top lynch candidate atm, guys. one more thing to add: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 03:10 Rean wrote: Forgot this: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red". [/QUOTE] I do think Cora is acting scummy but when I see people making what I think is a mistake/wrong interpretation in their arguments I still feel the need to point it out. That isn't defending Cora, it's making sure the suspicion on him is valid and not there because of flawed arguments.[/QUOTE] i really don't like this. basically he's admitting to defending Cora even though he thinks Cora is scummy. why? because he believes Mocsta's thought process is flawed. if I think someone is scum and someone arrives to the same conclusion albeit a different method, i don't see the need to correct them. it's not like he says: "yo i think the way you arrived at your conclusion a bit weak, but i agree with the ultimate end conclusion that cora is scum". he says "Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora." if anything, i analyze their case and see if it strengthens or invalidates my own read. ##Vote: Rean[/QUOTE] Why is this post even remotely scummy, because he defends someone he thinks is scummy, but he wasnt he was saying what they were atacking him for wasnt legit. In no way does he admit to defending cora. He never takes his read off of cora. And he straight up says he isnt defending him. I think berefts vote at this point is nothing with very little in terms actual scum reads. [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 13:11 cDgCorazon wrote: Bereft, I would like to know why you don't think we should lynch Onegu. I was really puzzled when you threw that read out (as were others) and I just want to know why you see Onegu in a good light. When you said you thought he was town I got this feeling that we weren't reading the same game.[/QUOTE] i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. [/QUOTE] Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.>[/QUOTE] Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. [/QUOTE] if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: [quote]Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go. 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd.[/quote] but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. [/QUOTE] Here is his defense of me, but my post on the bottom look at the part he quotes, its not the whole thing its just the part on mocsta, this is important because later he somehow thinks this is a case on cora. This is big why only quote the part where it is a case on mocosta but fail to realize it is a case on mocsta. The answer is he is scum and setting up town cred for defending someone alot of people had scum reads on at the time without actually reading what I wrote. [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 13:50 Bereft wrote: rayn, i think your line of attack is weird. you didn't respond to what i just said. and are you really going to bed when i'm around right now and willing to engage? [/QUOTE] I really dont like this, cora you read this too, people cant always be around when you are deal with it, no reason to call them out for it. Its not really scummy but you shouldnt call people out like this [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 14:21 Bereft wrote: hmm. i think you need to reread my post. i'm not yelling at him for going to sleep. i'm taking issue with the fact that he pounces on what i perceive to be a really weak, non-issue (granted, it's directed at me, so i'm biased), doesn't appear to even read what i say in response, and then says "it's fucking scummy - i'm going to bed". does that make sense to you? why don't you bold where i'm calling him scum? i'm asking him what he's trying to accomplish. if it's obvious to you what he's trying to accomplish, please enlighten me.[/QUOTE] Nope you said " are you really going to bed when i'm around right now and willing to engage?" that is calling him out for going to sleep. Your response backpeddleing is more telling then you calling him out in the first place. [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 14:35 Bereft wrote: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 14:28 Onegu wrote: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote: Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not. The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder.[/QUOTE] I never made a case on you its a case on mocsta where the quote tags got messed up somehow...[/QUOTE] if it's not a case on cora, what's your case for voting cora? [/QUOTE] Here is the crux of the matter you quoted my filter, cut off the portion that was a case on mocsta and here you think its a case on cora, this is impossible if you are town as you would have actually read my filter not just pick things out for no reason. [QUOTE]On November 22 2013 00:00 Bereft wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn I think its completely irrational for a townie to bust into the thread the way rayn is doing now flinging shit like an angry bull. there is no reason for him to be behaving this way as town.[/QUOTE] Here is your unvote of rean who after you voted you never mention again. This why I dont think you vote on rean was real, it was just something to do. [QUOTE]On November 22 2013 02:19 Bereft wrote: also cmon Onegu m'boy. I gave you a town read when no one else thought so. live up to the high hopes I have for you and make the right vote![/QUOTE] Pleads me to vote because he gave me a town read. Also Im not going to comment on his rayn case because its null, I can see town or scum tunneling into rayn if they dont know him. [QUOTE]On November 22 2013 09:27 Bereft wrote: [QUOTE]On November 22 2013 09:21 Mocsta wrote: [QUOTE]On November 22 2013 09:18 Bereft wrote: mocsta, are you serious? [/QUOTE] Yes (if its true) Im still catching up on the thread so do not know whether onegu is stating fact, or interpretation. Either way, if it is interpretation I don't think it was malicious,[/QUOTE] ok, fair enough. i'm around and happy to expand or explain my thought process, we're less than 3 hours away from a lynch, you do realize? in my post where i wrote why i think onegu is town, i've explicitly stated that i've no idea towards the end of his massive stream of consciousness post what he's trying to say: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 13:11 cDgCorazon wrote: Bereft, I would like to know why you don't think we should lynch Onegu. I was really puzzled when you threw that read out (as were others) and I just want to know why you see Onegu in a good light. When you said you thought he was town I got this feeling that we weren't reading the same game.[/QUOTE] i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. [/QUOTE] Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.>[/QUOTE] Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. [/QUOTE] if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: [quote]Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go. 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd.[/quote] but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. [/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] This is BS just because you got called out, if you actually read it you would see in the first line I am calling out the posters thought process, who is the poster mocsta, and the reason this is BS is because you quoted the cut off part. [QUOTE]On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote: @scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this.[/QUOTE] Here he changes his read of me for being useless. Since when is that a scum tell? He changed his read on me because I pointed out he isnt acrually reading. [QUOTE]On November 22 2013 11:34 Bereft wrote: Aqua, I agree. hands up - who is willing to lynch Cora? I am.[/QUOTE] Tunnels rayn but ok to vote cora now. [QUOTE]On November 22 2013 11:42 Bereft wrote: [QUOTE]On November 22 2013 11:16 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [Bereft] + On November 22 2013 10:59 Bereft wrote: scib, here's the thing. i am not unwilling to compromise. it's not like i have no doubt in my mind. but rayn is not just my strongest read -- i don't see any value in keeping him around. as i stated when i voted for him, i think he's incredibly antitown with a terribly off-putting attitude. of course that attitude is gone now that he's under fire, but i think the way he busted into this thread on his high horse around page 33 is unacceptable. if you can give me a strong case on why rayn is town and worth keeping around and why onegu/rean/cora are a better lynch, i will consider it. @Bereft I can't make a strong case that rayn is town, as I'm honestly not sure what to expect from a scum rayn, but I do think that everything I've seen from him this game town rayn is capable of doing. Also I don't like the idea of lynching someone because "if he's town then he's worthless so it's a win-win". I dislike it in general. And specifically to rayn, if this helps you not lynch him, the last two times I've played with town rayn he has contributed significantly to town after questionable day 1's. There's nothing more for me to say about onegu, cora, and rean as they are all NOT HERE, which should be telling. What is holding you back from lynching them?[/QUOTE] also, it's not so relevant now that Cora has unvoted, but I drew you this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/nsg2TE5.png[/img] [/QUOTE] My problem is this he tunnels him the entire time but posts this I dont understand his motivation. Then he never really pushes a cora lynch, he never gives reasons for it just we need people to switch. And his first scum read rean is never mentioned again. | ||
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guys, sorry i'm still catching up on the thread (i know you hardxcore mafia players will laugh at this - "it's only 25 pages!" but here are my reasons for my scum lean on the following players: Cora+ Show Spoiler + i'm going to skip going over the whole early shaky scum read on scib since that's already been covered and addressed pretty thoroughly. things that stood out to me: On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. i think this post is really bad. i find it pretty odd that he finds it necessary to point out that scib is "piggy backing" on him and proceeds to waste an exchange with scib on whether they were in fact clarifying the same thing with thrawn. i find it hard to find a reason why townies would have this exchange or even care. who cares? he doesn't just mention this once. he argues the point SEVERAL times and is still bringing it up ages later (along with scib's bullshit page 1 "read") as the basis for his scum read: On November 21 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: This is a stupid read and smells of fake scum-hunting: This is the post where he basically copies me and then denies it: This is where he denies copying me and he twists my words to make it look like I already assumed they were masons: Rean+ Show Spoiler + wastes his first few posts just agreeing or clarifying things, and he's not even being useful in his clarifications. what i really don't like is that when i specifically call him out to pick his brain, he doesn't even give me *ANY* interpretation of what he thinks of the player. it's totally ambiguous. then, when Aqua calls him out, his answer is totally wishy washy and shady -- gives a town-read but 100% hedges it: On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote: i also find the interactions between cora and rean pretty weird and incongruous. even something small like cora calling rean out for asking for town reads i find a pretty weird point to common on -- the exchange is pointless as he doesn't draw any conclusion from it and just seems to be critiquing rean's play. what i also find noteworthy is that: (A) rean first FOS's sciberia when sciberia asks for his top scum read. (B) rean gives a soft defense of cora to moc (C) but then suddenly cora becomes a scum read and he says: BUT THEN!! after aqua votes for him, IN THE VERY NEXT POST: i spent 10 mins trying to fix those quotes in the rean spoiler. i give up, sorry guys. going through aqua and onegu's filters now. A few things about this post the only thing he finds scummy is coras atk on scib about him piggybacking him about the mason thing. This is far from damning, I didnt like it either but Im not going to give cora a scum read for this. It really looks like nitpicking to me.Second the case on rean is completely unreadable and he never gives a tldr later. While this isnt scummy its at least null . And the lack of a tldr even when voteing rean. He just calls out rean for a different post.Also here he says he is reading my filter. | ||
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On November 21 2013 12:45 Bereft wrote: also, phrasing on this stood out to me. think whatever you want! you're not obligated to feel any particular way about me. He never says if this is scummy, just it stuck out to him, and why there is nothing wrong with his wording again I feel this is nitpicking. On November 21 2013 13:05 Bereft wrote: Rean is my top lynch candidate atm, guys. one more thing to add: i really don't like this. basically he's admitting to defending Cora even though he thinks Cora is scummy. why? because he believes Mocsta's thought process is flawed. if I think someone is scum and someone arrives to the same conclusion albeit a different method, i don't see the need to correct them. it's not like he says: "yo i think the way you arrived at your conclusion a bit weak, but i agree with the ultimate end conclusion that cora is scum". he says "Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora." if anything, i analyze their case and see if it strengthens or invalidates my own read. ##Vote: Rean Why is this post even remotely scummy, because he defends someone he thinks is scummy, but he wasnt he was saying what they were atacking him for wasnt legit. In no way does he admit to defending cora. He never takes his read off of cora. And he straight up says he isnt defending him. I think berefts vote at this point is nothing with very little in terms actual scum reads. On November 21 2013 13:32 Bereft wrote: i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. Here is his defense of me, but my post on the bottom look at the part he quotes, its not the whole thing its just the part on mocsta, this is important because later he somehow thinks this is a case on cora. This is big why only quote the part where it is a case on mocosta but fail to realize it is a case on mocsta. The answer is he is scum and setting up town cred for defending someone alot of people had scum reads on at the time without actually reading what I wrote. On November 21 2013 13:50 Bereft wrote: rayn, i think your line of attack is weird. you didn't respond to what i just said. and are you really going to bed when i'm around right now and willing to engage? I really dont like this, cora you read this too, people cant always be around when you are deal with it, no reason to call them out for it. Its not really scummy but you shouldnt call people out like this On November 21 2013 14:21 Bereft wrote: hmm. i think you need to reread my post. i'm not yelling at him for going to sleep. i'm taking issue with the fact that he pounces on what i perceive to be a really weak, non-issue (granted, it's directed at me, so i'm biased), doesn't appear to even read what i say in response, and then says "it's fucking scummy - i'm going to bed". does that make sense to you? why don't you bold where i'm calling him scum? i'm asking him what he's trying to accomplish. if it's obvious to you what he's trying to accomplish, please enlighten me. Nope you said " are you really going to bed when i'm around right now and willing to engage?" that is calling him out for going to sleep. Your response backpeddleing is more telling then you calling him out in the first place. On November 21 2013 14:35 Bereft wrote: if it's not a case on cora, what's your case for voting cora? Here is the crux of the matter you quoted my filter, cut off the portion that was a case on mocsta and here you think its a case on cora, this is impossible if you are town as you would have actually read my filter not just pick things out for no reason. On November 22 2013 00:00 Bereft wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn I think its completely irrational for a townie to bust into the thread the way rayn is doing now flinging shit like an angry bull. there is no reason for him to be behaving this way as town. Here is your unvote of rean who after you voted you never mention again. This why I dont think you vote on rean was real, it was just something to do. On November 22 2013 02:19 Bereft wrote: also cmon Onegu m'boy. I gave you a town read when no one else thought so. live up to the high hopes I have for you and make the right vote! Pleads me to vote because he gave me a town read. Also Im not going to comment on his rayn case because its null, I can see town or scum tunneling into rayn if they dont know him. On November 22 2013 09:27 Bereft wrote: ok, fair enough. i'm around and happy to expand or explain my thought process, we're less than 3 hours away from a lynch, you do realize? in my post where i wrote why i think onegu is town, i've explicitly stated that i've no idea towards the end of his massive stream of consciousness post what he's trying to say: This is BS just because you got called out, if you actually read it you would see in the first line I am calling out the posters thought process, who is the poster mocsta, and the reason this is BS is because you quoted the cut off part. On November 22 2013 10:01 Bereft wrote: @scib, i will agree that my stance on onegu has changed since yesterday and he's been completely useless. but i don't think he's a better lynch than rayn at the moment. i can't find any aspect of rayn's posting rational as a townie, and i've tried. i don't care if shit flinging is his usual style of playing. the bottom line is that there is no townie SENSE or LOGIC behind any of his shit flinging in this case. it does not make any sense for him to behave like this. Here he changes his read of me for being useless. Since when is that a scum tell? He changed his read on me because I pointed out he isnt acrually reading. On November 22 2013 11:34 Bereft wrote: Aqua, I agree. hands up - who is willing to lynch Cora? I am. Tunnels rayn but ok to vote cora now. On November 22 2013 11:42 Bereft wrote: also, it's not so relevant now that Cora has unvoted, but I drew you this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nsg2TE5.png) My problem is this he tunnels him the entire time but posts this I dont understand his motivation. Then he never really pushes a cora lynch, he never gives reasons for it just we need people to switch. And his first scum read rean is never mentioned again. | ||
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On November 23 2013 01:16 Bereft wrote: in response to thrawn: as per my diagram: when who you would lynch based on scum reads coincides with who you would lynch based on policy, it's not hard to become stuck or tunneled on the player in question. I chose not to interact with him because he was spamming the thread and came off unwilling to listen to reason. anyone who confronted him HAD to be scum (see JJD, Mocsta). if you look back around page 30 or so (sorry I'm on my phone) when he jumps on me for having bad priorities, I try to engage and talk with him, but he just peaces out and goes to bed. whatever, it's 6am in Finland, I'm annoyed but willing to let that slide...but when he comes back the next day, there's no attempt to analyze anything I've said or have a dialogue with me. he rides in on his high horse, calls everything bullshit, and insults/points his finger everywhere, clogging up the thread with what appears to be no more than 5 second long analysis. IF(PLAYER THINKS IM SCUM, THEN HE'S SCUM, ELSE TOWN). it's like when you see a dangerous and crazy looking person in the street shouting at passerbys and you veer off course to walk around them. do you find it hard to see why I had no intention of interacting with him? in my mind, it was a good and fair lynch up till about 8pm EST (2 hours before the deadline) when my town reads came back into the thread and voiced misgivings about the lynch choice and it became clear Rean was lurking and Onegu, Jampi were all absent. in retrospect, I should've stepped back and worked with them to find a better 2nd candidate, but (and this is where the 3rd circle of that Venn diagram comes into play) when it's close to the deadline and the person I'm tunneled on getting lynched is within grasp, it's hard to take a step back and rethink my stance. its like dangling something a toddler wants within arm's reach - it was hard for me to look away and reevaluate whether there was a better option further away across the room, and to change course so last minute seemed to put heavily risk a no lunch and put our consolidation into jeopardy. with hindsight obviously I don't think it was a good lynch. but I do not think that it was an unfair lynch given the information available. I think the fact that you did not need to be persuaded to vote rayn implies that you agree, no? as a final point, yours and scib's defense rested purely on "rayn could do this as town". I'm fine with analysis without meta or analysis with meta, but the defense of rayn read to me as pure meta without analysis, which I found weak. maybe that's not how you guys intended it, but with the clock ticking down and rushed posting, that's how I read it. let me know if you need me to explain any further. And I hate this post he tunneled rayn the entire time, gives reasons why he was ok to lynch him even if he wasnt scum, then says yeah hindsight it was a bad lynch. The people who are town came in said he is town but I wasnt going to get off of him to find a second lynch, but yeah it was a bad lynch. Feels like scum trying to distance themselves from the mislynch after tunneling him to get him lynched. | ||
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No one ever knows why he is voteing rean, after he votes rean he never mentions him again, reads my filter quotes the relevant part of my case on mocsta not the whole thing, later thinks its a case on cora, changes his read on me after I call him out for "being useless". Tunnels rayn, then switches to cora without and reason, back to rayn posts a venn diagram why he is ok to lynch rayn even if he is town, then after flip says rayn lynch was a bad lynch in hindsight. | ||
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On November 23 2013 23:21 sciberbia wrote: @Onegu I'm unconvinced by your case on Bereft. Here are a few problems I see with it. Convince me I'm wrong. In the post where you made a case on Mocsta, you quoted Mocsta's case on Cora, but the quoting was messed up so I assume Bereft must have read it as YOUR case on Cora with a case on Mocsta tacked on the end. I guess this proves that he wasn't reading very closely, but I don't see how this makes him scum. Your post was hard to follow. He basically said that he couldn't understand what you were talking about at all so he probably only skimmed it and assumed it was your case + vote on Cora. It's not true that he never mentions Rean again. He has mentioned rean as someone we should consider lynching today. I don't blame him for not saying more about rean as rean has literally not been posting so it's hard to talk about him. I just went through Rean's filter for Aquanim and I had trouble finding things that weren't already beaten to death. This would be a valid point if the bolded were true, but I don't think it is. Bereft never said lynching a town rayn would be good for town, as far as I can recall. Ok the thing with my case was yes the quoteing was messed up, but when bereft quotes it he only quotes the part I wrote, he didnt quote the whole thing. So he pulls that part out that he knows its from me but doesnt read it, why would he quote that part, the correct part without reading. If you actually read the first line you know I am responding to the original poster and that was mocsta. So why pull that out but not read it? And the second part what is his motivation for posting the venn diagram in the first place if he truely believes rayn is town? Thats why I dont get a town person who has been tunneled the entire time on rayn post that venn diagram. | ||
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On November 23 2013 17:26 Mocsta wrote: Corazon, Please listen carefully - I mean the below respectfully. You are acting like Rayn last cycle - If someone mentions your name negatively, you bark back. This is forum mafia, and pressure is a part of the game. We all have reasons to pressure both our scum reads and our town reads. There is no such thing as confirmed, unless its mod-related. People have a right to query your actions without receiving ad-hominems/denigration in return. That aside: Why do you not want to join my vote on jampidampi? This is forum mafia, I dont want to start a shit storm so I will say nothing ,ore on the subject nor will I repond to any flames and I suggest no one else does either. But cora thats what people do, the see something they dont like as town (and they could be right or wrong) it could be something no one else sees, and it could be no one else sees it because they are wrong. Or scum see something that some people might look at if it is pointed out even of it isnt anything. Thats how the game is played. So play the game cora, dont policy vote someone because they question you, or if your scum feel free to continue doing it as it will get you lynched. | ||
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On November 24 2013 00:36 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm sick of this shit. My play has been nitpicked more than anyone else's the entire game and it has gone nowhere. Why does everyone think that they are required to post every single thought of theirs? That is how threads get to be 200 pages long. I'm done. I'm absolutely done. From now on, I'm just going to vote everyone who nitpicks my posts for no reason. Fuck you guys. ##unvote ##Vote: JarJarDrinks Im about to sleep but I want to explain why this post is very scummy, first if he actually plays like this, his vote will always be on someone who attacked him, and not necesseraly on his scumreads, even if he scum hunts like normal but votes like this he can make any case he wants because it doesnt matter, he never has to follow it up. Second If he takes this stance back, he has already put it in peoples head that if you make a case on him he will jump you for it, so some people who like to avoid confrontation have a null read on him they wont push him when they would normally because of this post. (not saying anyone is like this but there could be) Also he is the one who decides if someone is nit picking or not, your post could be a legit thing to point out like I feel mine was. Everyone else in the thread could feel it is legit but if cora doesnt you get his vote. | ||
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My mocsta Case. I have already said my piece on his post restriction and alot on his early day one play so I am going to continue from there on out. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote: Rayn You just played with me as scum. Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah QUOTE]On November 21 2013 02:44 Mocsta wrote: Interesting tidbit to shit-stir in 3 newbies vonthin was town.... suddenly replaces out with no posts On November 21 2013 03:52 Mocsta wrote: Hes scum claiming. Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta for any doubters These are just a few of mocstas scum hunting, yes this is null but there are many more I just keep getting the feeling that he is feigning alot of his reads and making posts like this to up his post count and look active. QUOTE]On November 21 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote: My mason (thrawn) Do you get the impression onegu is just trying to shit the thread? or am i taking this too personal?[/QUOTE] We also keep getting post like this all through the game, mocsta really like trying to make friends with thrawn, seems really fake way to buddy buddy someone who is town and who I consider to be one of the the stronger players in the game. On November 21 2013 00:35 Mocsta wrote: Jampi, I like that post. Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads. Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us ! /thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu) I also want to point out this post and a few more that follow it or come right before this post, this is important because this is one of the main reasons why he was fine to policy lynch rayn. Even in this post we have a good town atmosphere but he takes a dig at me WTF. If the atmosphere is so go why does he need to take a dig at me it just doesn't make sense, Im not the type of person to take the bait but if I was he could then say he was ok to policy lynch me because I attacked him. Here are a few posts right around this post also only from mocsta, not to mention corazon. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again. Important things for everyone to know: As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation - Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine. The others no idea. On November 21 2013 01:22 Mocsta wrote: Matey, Keep talking to me like a douche and I can give it back to you equally. Please, I dropped my vote off you yonks ago; I am trying to work together here. JJD = JarJarDrinks His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249 Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum". Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations. On November 21 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote: Rayn You just played with me as scum. Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah But this all is a great town atmosphere and this is just from mocsta himself. And look how he keeps taking shots at me. Almost same with cora later but I will get to him in a bit in my next case. Now Im going to get to the meat and potatoes of why mocsta is scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=8#159 Ok I want you to open up the spoiled part, and look at his reads. I know bear with me and do it. He has Sciberia and Cora as scum, because of their interactions with each other, and because of scum slips keep this scum slips in mind it comes up much later. In this post he also has bereft as scum for trying to break the town circle. Also he multiple times gives Aqua a town read and Rean a town read. On November 20 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote: Post 13 Duly Noted - hence 12b prior (1) I am not trying to say anything. I said exactly what I wanted to say. (2) This is a very scummy response. You do not actually retort anything I said; instead you try to brush it off by insinuating it is stupid/incorrect. Guess what I am not going to take that leap of faith, and I won't let the thread take that leap either. Everyone has an ideal way they think they would ply their trade; yet, when push comes to shove so many things do not come to bear. Translation:I don't really care what you think you would do pre-game BEFORE receiving a role PM. What I care about is how you have played this game since AFTER receiving a role PM Now he is asked if he thinks Cora and Scib are bussing each other. Look at his very evasive answer. Im not saying anything, I said exactly what I meant to say. He never answers the question just gives a glib answer for it. QUOTE]On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: Post 14 @Thrawn: What do you think of Rean response. I don't have a problem that he said I might be a touch tunneled. I would prefer town tell me that. I am slightly concerned that it seems to be a big "+1" post and I dont really know what his stance is. Hence, what is the point of the comment? In short I see 3 outcomes of his post + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/4t8oM40) More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. (A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia (B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A) (C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people. Look, I *could* see a town make this post, but I don't like how it talks about the "core" issues yet simultaneously avoids talking about the "core" issues?? Catch my drift? P.S. Fuck da POLICE[/QUOTE] QUOTE]On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: Post 14 @Thrawn: What do you think of Rean response. I don't have a problem that he said I might be a touch tunneled. I would prefer town tell me that. I am slightly concerned that it seems to be a big "+1" post and I dont really know what his stance is. Hence, what is the point of the comment? In short I see 3 outcomes of his post + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. (A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia (B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A) (C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people. Look, I *could* see a town make this post, but I don't like how it talks about the "core" issues yet simultaneously avoids talking about the "core" issues?? Catch my drift? P.S. Fuck da POLICE[/QUOTE] Now somehow he is tunneled on Rean after giving him a town read 3 posts ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=10#189 Now he magically does a reread and his reads flip all which way. Cora becomes town for his interactions with Aqua/rean Sciberia becomes null, for consistency And Aqua becomes scum. Now yes people are allowed to change their reads that is fine, but as you will see mocsta does it often and with little reason or no reason. On November 20 2013 17:21 Aquanim wrote: I always thought Corazon's case on sciberbia was bad. That's not inconsistent with my opinion that Corazon could be town having made that case. There were two possibilities: - Corazon was town and honestly mistaken - Corazon was making a case to generate discussion and wasn't particularly concerned with its quality. Sure, Rean asked me for a scum read. That's the easiest and least insightful question you can ask, scum can do that without any effort at all. I don't see any indications that Rean is putting actual effort into his scum hunting. Everything you said about my play was more or less accurate, why should I try and deny that? Corazon and Sciberia's little dust-up was pretty much the only thing that had happened so far in the game, so I asked some other random questions. Mocsta answered questions enthusiastically and more-or-less logically, which gives me a town read on him; Rean answered questions with mostly useless one-liners, which gives me a scum read on him. I consider my time well spent. I'm about as confident that Rean is scum as Corazon, perhaps a little less, which is compensated by the advantages of opening up a second wagon. I'm not suspicious of your motives because you're obvtown. I'm not annoyed at you because you're not ridiculously misrepresenting my play (which would be bad play), you're just wrong about my alignment. Here he says Cora's case on Sciberia was bad, but he is town for it. Later he will say the exact opposite for voting Cora. And Rean is scummy for answering his questions but not giving good answers that weren't more than one or two lines. Thrawn is Obv Town On November 20 2013 17:21 Mocsta wrote: Quote of the day. + Show Spoiler + Its interesting the case on Rean only came out after I gave some meta speil on Aquanim being proactive I gotta get some credit mason man ##Vote: Aquanim Choo-Choo !! Votes Aqua for Thrawns reason. Sure he gave his own reasons on why Aqua is scum go read them I quoted them, tell me if you think they are legit reasons or not. On November 20 2013 17:25 Aquanim wrote: Okay, let me rephrase that. I don't see any town-motivated purpose to Corazon's posting so far. If he thinks Sciberbia is scum, why isn't he voting for him? If he isn't confident Sciberbia is scum, why is he pushing the Sciberbia-scum argument so vehemently? I think Corazon's case is bad but obviously he doesn't. Corazon's vote doesn't have to be consistent with my opinion of his case, it has to be consistent with his opinion - and it's not. A few posts later from where he calls cora town for his bad case now he cant see a pro town reason for it. On November 20 2013 17:30 Mocsta wrote: You have got to be joking me? As we are speaking generically: the only time scum have an easy time giving scum reads is if they are referring to their own team. Otherwise, they are *always* lying - due to calling town players that they *know* are town... scum. Mafia is a game of psychology and motive. The whole point is to catch mafia in a lie that a townie would not execute. Scum giving bullshit scum reads is meant to be one of those avenues. I dont have a clue how you get this so wrong? Why feel the need to build a case and *vote* for Rean instead of produce a series of questioning aimed at discerning his alignment? If anything a vote/case on him could make him harder to read as it puts him on the alert?? Soft defends Rean here. On November 21 2013 00:35 Mocsta wrote: Jampi, I like that post. Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads. Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us ! /thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu) Likes a post from Jamp. On November 21 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote After I get back from a meeting I will re-read the thread with an unbiased mind. One thing not in your favour is that I personally do not like the combo of Rean/Cora, maybe 1 of them but not both (and you keep focusing attention on this) I would expect if both are scum, and you/i/thrawn were town; they would have tried to combo up more. Instead it felt like two conversations in parallel (you + rean) (thrawn + myself + cora) Another thing not in your favour is acknowledgement of Onegu. (who I do think is scum) On one hand it should be clear that he is a viable push for your safety today; but you are not taking that opportunity (even though you admit he is "scummi-ish" Though you could contest that on the other hand you should be pushing your best scum read; considering the brevity of your situation (6/12 votes) this is silly - Onegu is apparently in top 3 and could secure your safety. Here he unvotes Aqua because he likes how he didnt push me. But somehow he ignores the possibility that we could be scum together. Why because he knows we arent. This unvote reason it terrible. On November 21 2013 14:49 Mocsta wrote: Guys, Im about 60% through my re-read (so up to about p20) - taking a breather and only skimmed the content since Bereft voted ?rean? Firstly, we need to start consolidating a vote as 7 is required to secure a lynch. Next, this is my group of strong town reads from p5 -> p20 {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Rayn} Yes, I do not think Aquanim is scum anymore. I think he has a different mentality and Thrawn and myself misinterpreted his intentions. Aquanim has actually been very open and transparent in a confused/wishy-washy manner; as opposed to wishy-washy in an intentionally misleading manner. This is my group of tentative town reads from p5->p20 (i.e. people i dont have interest to lynch this cycle) {Corazon, Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow} Yes, Onegu is here. In hindsight it would be suicide as scum to come out and say he had a scum read on me and Thrawn. Unless his mission was to shit the thread, which I think is grasping at straws. I egged Onegu so will accept responsiblity for getting him to tunnel me. Thus, this is my pile of shit left over: for todays lynch {Rean, Sciberbia, jampidampi} (Currently, i actually think these 3 *are* the scum team too) Rean already has traction, so lets hit the 7 with him. ##Vote: Rean But here is also where it gets interesting, He gives town reads for Rayn, Bereft, , Aqua, me, and cora. His scum reads are Sciberia, Rean, and Jamp. Before this he has had rean as a town read, Sciberia as null, and Jamp as he liked his posts. The only reason he gives for these read changes are mine and he doesnt see me doing what I did as scum. And Aqua who he had as scum for a long time and had just unvoted. His reason? Open and Transparent On November 21 2013 14:56 Mocsta wrote: Who said I was making associations? Those are my 3 scummiest reads independantly. Aside from that, I think they also have odd interactions with each other. jampidampi is in that pile 50% through Process of Elimination, 50% filter Scibs is through filter Rean is through filter I thought you would be happy that you are in my town pile. Still no reasons On November 21 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote: - Picking on Corazon early game, whilst ignoring you and I for similar toned posts He phrases it as a conversation starter, but its pretty clear it is shit-stirring. - Scibs also states he hates early game trolling, yet is contributing to a negative atmosphere. THink about this: he stated Corazon was scum off what he defined later as 99% null, 1% scummy. Its clearly an over reaction and all it does is force people to point fingers at each other ==> atmosphere scum love. - His case on Corazon is terrible. #2 is acceptable because a majority misread corazon intentions #1 is terrible because scibs is a hypocrite for singling out corazon but further, he is calling corazon scummy for being bad, there is nothing about scum motive in this point #3 - is just a weak point Overall this case is calling corazon a bad townie, and relies on the reader to assume the points are scummy. This is a sign of a poor/half-assed case.. yet. scibs said i stole his thunder when i said corazon was scummy. His actions are not congruent with filter. - Scibs is suddenly suspicous of Rean, but asks such a baseless question that is not alignment-indicative. Again, this is not congruent with being a genuine scum read - Scibs has a really odd timed delurked to chat with jampidampi. In this convo he avoids discussing the interplay between rean/aqua - which makes ZERO sense if rean was his 2nd scum read. This is a *very* bad point In short: scibs is promoting a negative, finger-pointing atmosphere even though he resents trolling. This is scummy. Scibs is an analytical player but his case on corazon had no conviction and relied ont he reader to fill in the gaps. This is scummy. Scibs stance on players is not congruent with what he is asking the thread about (i.e. rean, even though he is his 2nd scum read). This is really scummy. (stopped at page 20) This is the only reason he gives for his scum reads and atually read it. It is mostly meta, and promoting a negative thread attitude, but read his filter he isnt doing that at all, and it is subjective if he is or isnt any way not a reason to call someone scum. On November 21 2013 17:25 Mocsta wrote: Read the whole game. Updated reads list: The Good: {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Bereft} The Bad: {Onegu, LoneMeow, Rayn, Sciberbia} The Ugly: {Rean, jampidampi, Corazon} Key swaps: Sciberbia: Has nothing to do with comments before. Has to do with how he was interpreting Aquanim. If Rean flips scum, Sciberbia comes out looking pretty good for trying to get focus off Aquanim. Will have to do a specific filter-dive to firm this read up. Content in the middle. Rayn: I have loved everything he did (UNTIL) he dropped his vote on Rean out of nowhere. This just makes no sense given the back/n/forth. Corazon: I have two major issues with him (1) Hes only accusing people that have attacked him. (2) He is refusing to answer JJD question about the first post which I  EMAND* an answer forTo which I will expound: Corazon bluntly states that is it ridiculous to consider Sciberbia scum from the page 1 (which is 5). The truth lies in the filter however: This quote led to a lot of confusion. Corazon later confirms the intent of rocking the boat was to call Sciberbia scummy. What we have is Corazon caught in a lie. First he calls Sciberbia scummy for 1 post. More recently he states he can't have thought Scibs was scummy for that 1 post. JJD has to ask *repeatedly* for such a simple answer and Corazon continuously refuses to comply. Corazon *knows* he is caught in a lie - a scummy lie.[/ A few posts later his reads change once again. Rayn no longer town, Scib no longer scum even though that was the only person he gave a reason for being scum, Cora goes from town to Scum. Scib is town because of a intereaction with Aqua, Rayn for a vote, and cora goes from town to scum, because he accuses his attackers, refuses to answer questions even though he does this again later and mocsta doesnt give him a scum read then. On November 21 2013 23:35 Mocsta wrote: Wow.. we are not on the same page. The difference is Aquanim is not confident but continues to be an open book - allowing you to keep provoking him. Rean on the other hand answers the questions to the point and delivers nothing more. I know i find the latter more scummy, so should you. Rayn now looks bad because he found something scummy but rayn didnt. Then he votes rayn. Ok Im on the PC and my wife needs it so Im going to just type my notes and give the relevant quotes in a bit. Says a HF lynch would be ok with no reason. Calls rayn 80 percent scum 20 percent policy Ok to lynch Rean now still dont know why he is scummy. Then has a post where Rean is now prolly town Now thinks thrawn could possibly be scum and needs to look closer, nope quick change again to town Bereft is now scum because he reads my notes, becomes ok with a bereft lycnh if what i say is true Then says even if Im not stateing fact its not malicious Says my facts on bereft are wrong but misses the most important part and that I am scum even though he just said it wouldnt be malicious if they were wrong. I am scum for fanning the flames even though never shows where I do this. Still town on Aqua but not complete anymore New reads Me, Rean, and HF scum. Jamp is bad, everyone else is good Compares reans play with mine in a different game Calls someone out for useing scumslips but he did it often early Bereft becomes null Somehow I am begging him for forgiveness Now votes Jamp who was in his bad pile not his scum pile, gives very few reasons other than scum are in inactives Now says He voted Rayn not because he thought he was scummy (he did think he was) but would mess with town getting majority lynch off Has rean in scum pile but defends him Moves Aqua out of his good pile with dumb reason Now leans town on me after my bereft case Votes sciberia for not asking me questions Votes JJD for a delurk but JJD was before in his town reads Cora refuses to answer a question Mocsta doesnt call him scum for it when he did earlier. | ||
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Onegu
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On November 24 2013 16:05 sciberbia wrote: @Mocsta So here I am most definitely the best lynch today: + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia Im catching up now but read my case he does this with everyone multiple times without giving reasons for most of it. If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. And here 4 hours later I'm not even in your top 4. + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote: I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today. jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote ##unvote ##votte: jarjardrinks Nobody "did a filter dive while you were gone" and proved I was town, so what's the reasoning for this? | ||
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Onegu
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On November 25 2013 01:10 cDgCorazon wrote: First of all Onegu, do you misformat cases on purpose so people just see that you made and case and actually don't read it? This is 3/4 cases that have been misformatted, if I can count right. The fact of the matter is that this case is bad because it's hypocritical, it's partially other's arguments, and it has no teeth (like every single other case you have made). It's hypocritical because you've switched your reads randomly as well (your 180 on Rayn with no explanation). It's partially other's arguments because I heard most of this shit before from other people. It has no teeth because you didn't vote for Mocsta. No one knows who you want lynched and it seems like you never believe in any of your cases. Why are you so hesitant to vote for anyone you make a case on? Do you actually believe that Mocsta/Bereft are scum? If so, why isn't your vote on them? If not, why are you wasting our time with cases and tell us who you want lynched. TBH Mocsta's read switches are a result of his usual play and the fact that he re-evaluates the game very often. Even the point (singular point) you make in this case is very weak. No just a small part I will fix the rest of it is all correct this case is readable | ||
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On November 25 2013 01:10 cDgCorazon wrote: First of all Onegu, do you misformat cases on purpose so people just see that you made and case and actually don't read it? This is 3/4 cases that have been misformatted, if I can count right. The fact of the matter is that this case is bad because it's hypocritical, it's partially other's arguments, and it has no teeth (like every single other case you have made). It's hypocritical because you've switched your reads randomly as well (your 180 on Rayn with no explanation). It's partially other's arguments because I heard most of this shit before from other people. It has no teeth because you didn't vote for Mocsta. No one knows who you want lynched and it seems like you never believe in any of your cases. Why are you so hesitant to vote for anyone you make a case on? Do you actually believe that Mocsta/Bereft are scum? If so, why isn't your vote on them? If not, why are you wasting our time with cases and tell us who you want lynched. TBH Mocsta's read switches are a result of his usual play and the fact that he re-evaluates the game very often. Even the point (singular point) you make in this case is very weak. I switched one read cora not every single one of my reads multiple times. As I say people can change their reads, but how he does it is scummy. | ||
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Onegu
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My mocsta Case. I have already said my piece on his post restriction and alot on his early day one play so I am going to continue from there on out. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote: Rayn You just played with me as scum. Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah On November 21 2013 02:44 Mocsta wrote: Interesting tidbit to shit-stir in 3 newbies vonthin was town.... suddenly replaces out with no posts On November 21 2013 03:52 Mocsta wrote: Hes scum claiming. Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta for any doubters These are just a few of mocstas scum hunting, yes this is null but there are many more I just keep getting the feeling that he is feigning alot of his reads and making posts like this to up his post count and look active. On November 21 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote: My mason (thrawn) Do you get the impression onegu is just trying to shit the thread? or am i taking this too personal? We also keep getting post like this all through the game, mocsta really like trying to make friends with thrawn, seems really fake way to buddy buddy someone who is town and who I consider to be one of the the stronger players in the game. On November 21 2013 00:35 Mocsta wrote: Jampi, I like that post. Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads. Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us ! /thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu) I also want to point out this post and a few more that follow it or come right before this post, this is important because this is one of the main reasons why he was fine to policy lynch rayn. Even in this post we have a good town atmosphere but he takes a dig at me WTF. If the atmosphere is so go why does he need to take a dig at me it just doesn't make sense, Im not the type of person to take the bait but if I was he could then say he was ok to policy lynch me because I attacked him. Here are a few posts right around this post also only from mocsta, not to mention corazon. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again. Important things for everyone to know: As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation - Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine. The others no idea. On November 21 2013 01:22 Mocsta wrote: Matey, Keep talking to me like a douche and I can give it back to you equally. Please, I dropped my vote off you yonks ago; I am trying to work together here. JJD = JarJarDrinks His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249 Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum". Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations. On November 21 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote: Rayn You just played with me as scum. Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah But this all is a great town atmosphere and this is just from mocsta himself. And look how he keeps taking shots at me. Almost same with cora later but I will get to him in a bit in my next case. Now Im going to get to the meat and potatoes of why mocsta is scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=8#159 Ok I want you to open up the spoiled part, and look at his reads. I know bear with me and do it. He has Sciberia and Cora as scum, because of their interactions with each other, and because of scum slips keep this scum slips in mind it comes up much later. In this post he also has bereft as scum for trying to break the town circle. Also he multiple times gives Aqua a town read and Rean a town read. On November 20 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote: Post 13 Duly Noted - hence 12b prior (1) I am not trying to say anything. I said exactly what I wanted to say. (2) This is a very scummy response. You do not actually retort anything I said; instead you try to brush it off by insinuating it is stupid/incorrect. Guess what I am not going to take that leap of faith, and I won't let the thread take that leap either. Everyone has an ideal way they think they would ply their trade; yet, when push comes to shove so many things do not come to bear. Translation:I don't really care what you think you would do pre-game BEFORE receiving a role PM. What I care about is how you have played this game since AFTER receiving a role PM Now he is asked if he thinks Cora and Scib are bussing each other. Look at his very evasive answer. Im not saying anything, I said exactly what I meant to say. He never answers the question just gives a glib answer for it. On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: Post 14 @Thrawn: What do you think of Rean response. I don't have a problem that he said I might be a touch tunneled. I would prefer town tell me that. I am slightly concerned that it seems to be a big "+1" post and I dont really know what his stance is. Hence, what is the point of the comment? In short I see 3 outcomes of his post + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. (A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia (B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A) (C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people. Look, I *could* see a town make this post, but I don't like how it talks about the "core" issues yet simultaneously avoids talking about the "core" issues?? Catch my drift? P.S. Fuck da POLICE On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: Post 14 @Thrawn: What do you think of Rean response. I don't have a problem that he said I might be a touch tunneled. I would prefer town tell me that. I am slightly concerned that it seems to be a big "+1" post and I dont really know what his stance is. Hence, what is the point of the comment? In short I see 3 outcomes of his post + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. (A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia (B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A) (C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people. Look, I *could* see a town make this post, but I don't like how it talks about the "core" issues yet simultaneously avoids talking about the "core" issues?? Catch my drift? P.S. Fuck da POLICE Now somehow he is tunneled on Rean after giving him a town read 3 posts ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=10#189 Now he magically does a reread and his reads flip all which way. Cora becomes town for his interactions with Aqua/rean Sciberia becomes null, for consistency And Aqua becomes scum. Now yes people are allowed to change their reads that is fine, but as you will see mocsta does it often and with little reason or no reason. On November 20 2013 17:21 Aquanim wrote: I always thought Corazon's case on sciberbia was bad. That's not inconsistent with my opinion that Corazon could be town having made that case. There were two possibilities: - Corazon was town and honestly mistaken - Corazon was making a case to generate discussion and wasn't particularly concerned with its quality. Sure, Rean asked me for a scum read. That's the easiest and least insightful question you can ask, scum can do that without any effort at all. I don't see any indications that Rean is putting actual effort into his scum hunting. Everything you said about my play was more or less accurate, why should I try and deny that? Corazon and Sciberia's little dust-up was pretty much the only thing that had happened so far in the game, so I asked some other random questions. Mocsta answered questions enthusiastically and more-or-less logically, which gives me a town read on him; Rean answered questions with mostly useless one-liners, which gives me a scum read on him. I consider my time well spent. I'm about as confident that Rean is scum as Corazon, perhaps a little less, which is compensated by the advantages of opening up a second wagon. I'm not suspicious of your motives because you're obvtown. I'm not annoyed at you because you're not ridiculously misrepresenting my play (which would be bad play), you're just wrong about my alignment. Here he says Cora's case on Sciberia was bad, but he is town for it. Later he will say the exact opposite for voting Cora. And Rean is scummy for answering his questions but not giving good answers that weren't more than one or two lines. Thrawn is Obv Town On November 20 2013 17:21 Mocsta wrote: Quote of the day. + Show Spoiler + Its interesting the case on Rean only came out after I gave some meta speil on Aquanim being proactive I gotta get some credit mason man ##Vote: Aquanim Choo-Choo !! Votes Aqua for Thrawns reason. Sure he gave his own reasons on why Aqua is scum go read them I quoted them, tell me if you think they are legit reasons or not. On November 20 2013 17:25 Aquanim wrote: Okay, let me rephrase that. I don't see any town-motivated purpose to Corazon's posting so far. If he thinks Sciberbia is scum, why isn't he voting for him? If he isn't confident Sciberbia is scum, why is he pushing the Sciberbia-scum argument so vehemently? I think Corazon's case is bad but obviously he doesn't. Corazon's vote doesn't have to be consistent with my opinion of his case, it has to be consistent with his opinion - and it's not. A few posts later from where he calls cora town for his bad case now he cant see a pro town reason for it. On November 20 2013 17:30 Mocsta wrote: You have got to be joking me? As we are speaking generically: the only time scum have an easy time giving scum reads is if they are referring to their own team. Otherwise, they are *always* lying - due to calling town players that they *know* are town... scum. Mafia is a game of psychology and motive. The whole point is to catch mafia in a lie that a townie would not execute. Scum giving bullshit scum reads is meant to be one of those avenues. I dont have a clue how you get this so wrong? Why feel the need to build a case and *vote* for Rean instead of produce a series of questioning aimed at discerning his alignment? If anything a vote/case on him could make him harder to read as it puts him on the alert?? Soft defends Rean here. On November 21 2013 00:35 Mocsta wrote: Jampi, I like that post. Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads. Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us ! /thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu) Likes a post from Jamp. On November 21 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote After I get back from a meeting I will re-read the thread with an unbiased mind. One thing not in your favour is that I personally do not like the combo of Rean/Cora, maybe 1 of them but not both (and you keep focusing attention on this) I would expect if both are scum, and you/i/thrawn were town; they would have tried to combo up more. Instead it felt like two conversations in parallel (you + rean) (thrawn + myself + cora) Another thing not in your favour is acknowledgement of Onegu. (who I do think is scum) On one hand it should be clear that he is a viable push for your safety today; but you are not taking that opportunity (even though you admit he is "scummi-ish" Though you could contest that on the other hand you should be pushing your best scum read; considering the brevity of your situation (6/12 votes) this is silly - Onegu is apparently in top 3 and could secure your safety. Here he unvotes Aqua because he likes how he didnt push me. But somehow he ignores the possibility that we could be scum together. Why because he knows we arent. This unvote reason it terrible. On November 21 2013 14:49 Mocsta wrote: Guys, Im about 60% through my re-read (so up to about p20) - taking a breather and only skimmed the content since Bereft voted ?rean? Firstly, we need to start consolidating a vote as 7 is required to secure a lynch. Next, this is my group of strong town reads from p5 -> p20 {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Rayn} Yes, I do not think Aquanim is scum anymore. I think he has a different mentality and Thrawn and myself misinterpreted his intentions. Aquanim has actually been very open and transparent in a confused/wishy-washy manner; as opposed to wishy-washy in an intentionally misleading manner. This is my group of tentative town reads from p5->p20 (i.e. people i dont have interest to lynch this cycle) {Corazon, Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow} Yes, Onegu is here. In hindsight it would be suicide as scum to come out and say he had a scum read on me and Thrawn. Unless his mission was to shit the thread, which I think is grasping at straws. I egged Onegu so will accept responsiblity for getting him to tunnel me. Thus, this is my pile of shit left over: for todays lynch {Rean, Sciberbia, jampidampi} (Currently, i actually think these 3 *are* the scum team too) Rean already has traction, so lets hit the 7 with him. ##Vote: Rean But here is also where it gets interesting, He gives town reads for Rayn, Bereft, , Aqua, me, and cora. His scum reads are Sciberia, Rean, and Jamp. Before this he has had rean as a town read, Sciberia as null, and Jamp as he liked his posts. The only reason he gives for these read changes are mine and he doesnt see me doing what I did as scum. And Aqua who he had as scum for a long time and had just unvoted. His reason? Open and Transparent On November 21 2013 14:56 Mocsta wrote: Who said I was making associations? Those are my 3 scummiest reads independantly. Aside from that, I think they also have odd interactions with each other. jampidampi is in that pile 50% through Process of Elimination, 50% filter Scibs is through filter Rean is through filter I thought you would be happy that you are in my town pile. Still no reasons On November 21 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote: - Picking on Corazon early game, whilst ignoring you and I for similar toned posts He phrases it as a conversation starter, but its pretty clear it is shit-stirring. - Scibs also states he hates early game trolling, yet is contributing to a negative atmosphere. THink about this: he stated Corazon was scum off what he defined later as 99% null, 1% scummy. Its clearly an over reaction and all it does is force people to point fingers at each other ==> atmosphere scum love. - His case on Corazon is terrible. #2 is acceptable because a majority misread corazon intentions #1 is terrible because scibs is a hypocrite for singling out corazon but further, he is calling corazon scummy for being bad, there is nothing about scum motive in this point #3 - is just a weak point Overall this case is calling corazon a bad townie, and relies on the reader to assume the points are scummy. This is a sign of a poor/half-assed case.. yet. scibs said i stole his thunder when i said corazon was scummy. His actions are not congruent with filter. - Scibs is suddenly suspicous of Rean, but asks such a baseless question that is not alignment-indicative. Again, this is not congruent with being a genuine scum read - Scibs has a really odd timed delurked to chat with jampidampi. In this convo he avoids discussing the interplay between rean/aqua - which makes ZERO sense if rean was his 2nd scum read. This is a *very* bad point In short: scibs is promoting a negative, finger-pointing atmosphere even though he resents trolling. This is scummy. Scibs is an analytical player but his case on corazon had no conviction and relied ont he reader to fill in the gaps. This is scummy. Scibs stance on players is not congruent with what he is asking the thread about (i.e. rean, even though he is his 2nd scum read). This is really scummy. (stopped at page 20) This is the only reason he gives for his scum reads and atually read it. It is mostly meta, and promoting a negative thread attitude, but read his filter he isnt doing that at all, and it is subjective if he is or isnt any way not a reason to call someone scum. On November 21 2013 17:25 Mocsta wrote: Read the whole game. Updated reads list: The Good: {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Bereft} The Bad: {Onegu, LoneMeow, Rayn, Sciberbia} The Ugly: {Rean, jampidampi, Corazon} Key swaps: Sciberbia: Has nothing to do with comments before. Has to do with how he was interpreting Aquanim. If Rean flips scum, Sciberbia comes out looking pretty good for trying to get focus off Aquanim. Will have to do a specific filter-dive to firm this read up. Content in the middle. Rayn: I have loved everything he did (UNTIL) he dropped his vote on Rean out of nowhere. This just makes no sense given the back/n/forth. Corazon: I have two major issues with him (1) Hes only accusing people that have attacked him. (2) He is refusing to answer JJD question about the first post which I EMAND* an answer forTo which I will expound: Corazon bluntly states that is it ridiculous to consider Sciberbia scum from the page 1 (which is 5). The truth lies in the filter however: This quote led to a lot of confusion. Corazon later confirms the intent of rocking the boat was to call Sciberbia scummy. What we have is Corazon caught in a lie. First he calls Sciberbia scummy for 1 post. More recently he states he can't have thought Scibs was scummy for that 1 post. JJD has to ask *repeatedly* for such a simple answer and Corazon continuously refuses to comply. Corazon *knows* he is caught in a lie - a scummy lie.[/ A few posts later his reads change once again. Rayn no longer town, Scib no longer scum even though that was the only person he gave a reason for being scum, Cora goes from town to Scum. Scib is town because of a intereaction with Aqua, Rayn for a vote, and cora goes from town to scum, because he accuses his attackers, refuses to answer questions even though he does this again later and mocsta doesnt give him a scum read then. On November 21 2013 23:35 Mocsta wrote: Wow.. we are not on the same page. The difference is Aquanim is not confident but continues to be an open book - allowing you to keep provoking him. Rean on the other hand answers the questions to the point and delivers nothing more. I know i find the latter more scummy, so should you. Rayn now looks bad because he found something scummy but rayn didnt. Then he votes rayn. Ok Im on the PC and my wife needs it so Im going to just type my notes and give the relevant quotes in a bit. Says a HF lynch would be ok with no reason. Calls rayn 80 percent scum 20 percent policy Ok to lynch Rean now still dont know why he is scummy. Then has a post where Rean is now prolly town Now thinks thrawn could possibly be scum and needs to look closer, nope quick change again to town Bereft is now scum because he reads my notes, becomes ok with a bereft lycnh if what i say is true Then says even if Im not stateing fact its not malicious Says my facts on bereft are wrong but misses the most important part and that I am scum even though he just said it wouldnt be malicious if they were wrong. I am scum for fanning the flames even though never shows where I do this. Still town on Aqua but not complete anymore New reads Me, Rean, and HF scum. Jamp is bad, everyone else is good Compares reans play with mine in a different game Calls someone out for useing scumslips but he did it often early Bereft becomes null Somehow I am begging him for forgiveness Now votes Jamp who was in his bad pile not his scum pile, gives very few reasons other than scum are in inactives Now says He voted Rayn not because he thought he was scummy (he did think he was) but would mess with town getting majority lynch off Has rean in scum pile but defends him Moves Aqua out of his good pile with dumb reason Now leans town on me after my bereft case Votes sciberia for not asking me questions Votes JJD for a delurk but JJD was before in his town reads Cora refuses to answer a question Mocsta doesnt call him scum for it when he did earlier. | ||
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Also I will answer your case on me and finish my case on mocsta, but my internet is going off and on every minute so bear with me everything will be done before I sleep though I promise. One other thing as I wait for my internet to comeback on lynching HF os so bad. First killing him if he doctor hurts town so bad. If he is doctor scum almost have to kill him or risk missing their shot, second if he is scum they have to either hold their shot, or not shoot who he claims and he has to claim townie people so they cant shoot who they want. If he isnt dead by the end of n3 lynch him, that way if he is town they have to risk missing thier shot to get him mislyched for 2 nights, or if he is scum they cant shoot really townie targets for 2 nights. | ||
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On November 24 2013 10:43 cDgCorazon wrote: Why Onegu is scum and needs to die: I'm just going to go through Onegu's filter and point out the scummy posts that he has made. Mocsta was kind of right when he says that no one has tried to push a lynch, so I'm going to try and rectify that. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. This is basically his entry post and it doesn't accomplish very much. He kind of makes a stretch when he says that Rean did not point out what he agreed with on my post. I feel that it is because he didn't read the entirety of Rean's post. He then talks about calling Mocsta scum based on a decision he made before he knew whether he was scum or town (Mocsta made his self-imposed post limit pre-game). It's just a play to look like he is analyzing the game when in fact he isn't. After that, he calls my case "terribad and scummy" yet refuses to say why. Didn't he just say that Rean was "really scummy" for not explaining what he liked about my post? He literally just contradicted himself in the same post. Why does he hold Rean to a higher standard than himself? + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 21:12 Onegu wrote: I dont like mocstas thread pressance attitude, something seems off about his thread captianism to me, like its almost forced. Its almost like he puts a post restiction on himself pregame, game starts he keeps it up, gets called out for it says Im not going to keep it, and then becomes thread captain in a way that doesnt feel natural to me.... Im not a huge fan on the aquanim case either Ill dig into it more in a bit. Wait, didn't he say that he is ok with Mocsta giving up his post limit? Why is he not ok with it now? Also, he just yelled at Mocsta for calling him scum for playing exactly like he does every game. Why is he using that as a way to attack Mocsta? He contradicts himself for the second time in the first 5 posts in his filter. He's holding other players to a higher standard than himself. That's not a townie mindset. He then has that really messed-up post where he quotes Mocsta's filter and I don't even know. + Show Spoiler + Two can play at the nitpicking thing. This post is really useless and doesn't go anywhere. A townie would not worry about enforcing the rules and would have not posted this. This goes in line with the fact that his scum read on Mocsta is not really based on anything. He continues on this tunnel without any reasoning and without any proof that Mocsta is scum other than the fact that Mocsta likes to post a lot. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 16:40 Onegu wrote: Yes somewhat scummy but I cant point to anything yet just a gut feeling, but these gut feelings on rayn have been correct alot of the time. I am slowly reading the thread while getting ready to go out This post shows his feelings on Rayn. He thinks that Rayn is scummy due to a "gut feeling". It's not very good reasoning but I would not have been critical of this had he stayed neutral on the Rayn lynch. Yet: + Show Spoiler + [Note: This is from his giant list of reads where he votes for Mocsta. I didn't want to copy the whole list.] Calls out posts not needed to be called out like aqua not voteing his top scum read Rayn calling me scum but not looking at past mini games, his meta reads on me are so bad Doesnt look like he believes his case on aqua, harping the same point over and over when that point isnt scummy The post where rayn calls out aqua for his spicydinosaur post was really good Then he somewhat defemds me, but uses correct meta Calls out sciberia, I like this post as town, Calls out bereft also like but I disagree Disagree with almost all of his reads, but post where he calls out mocsta for my meta was good Post on if him and Jamp are both scum then lynch jamp first is actually townie for rayn, but not anyone else Calls out mocsta for the cora vote to consolidate as its townie post town points Unless is trying to do what I did in WC as scum which I dont see he really is town Rayn saying those are scumclaims, wrong, but from a town rayn Wait what? Didn't he just say that his "gut" thought that Rayn was scum? He contradicted himself again! To be honest, this looks like at first he made a decision to follow thread sentiment and have suspicion, then changed his mind when he realized that Rayn had a very good chance of being lynched. Onegu continues to blame Mocsta for the Rayn lynch and continue on his un-justified tunnel in an effort to look like he has scum hunting. Other than his list post, he hasn't mentioned anyone outside of myself, Rean (only 1 or 2 times), and Mocsta. He has an agenda to get Mocsta lynched. One could theorycraft and say that Onegu was trying to capitalize off the Rayn lynch and get Mocsta to be lynched D2 to not have to waste a kill on him. I'm not going to talk about much else in his filter. His case on Bereft seems like an attempt to scum-hunt after it was made obvious that Mocsta wasn't going to get lynched. I don't even think Onegu believes in his own case- he doesn't even vote Bereft. His filter dive consists of taking a few of Bereft's posts and making one-line analysis of them. It's not in-depth and I don't think that he wants Bereft to be lynched- he just wants the credit of making a case for the first time in the game. TL;DR 1. He expects other players to play townier than him and is holding them to a higher standard 2. He contradicts himself- a lot. He's even contradicted himself in the same post. 3. He has tunneled Mocsta the whole game, and has only attacked four people, two of which he has only mentioned a few times (Rean and Bereft) 4. His posts and cases wreak to me of only trying to gain credit for scum hunting and not actually getting people lynched There are other points that I have mentioned before in my filter (such as his activity and the fact that he really doesn't care about who gets lynched), but I think this should be enough to warrant his lynching today. I would vote for him now but my vote is already on him. Feel free to ask me questions. 1. I read all of what rean says. Your points are mocsta used his posts alot with spam (this is the only possible thing he could have meant and that is a stretch) because he has a post restriction at the time amd rean is talking to the entire thread when he talks about spam not mocsta. He talks about people makeing oneliners and jokes. He is talking to the thread not mocsta. The mocsta thing I think is fine. The reason its scummy is he decided on it pregame looked like he was going to keep it up, and then posts a bunch of spam. If you planned on actually doing it and you rolled town, you would make sure your posts meant somthing important not just spammed. And mocsta made a show of keeping it going, even after he said he would take the restricion off, he said he was going to keep numbering his posts, but then he stops. Why stop, why post you are takeing the restriction off but still going to number your posts. The thing about you is valid, I thought it was bad and scummy, but felt I didnt have anything to add as to why that hadnt been said already. I agree this looks bad. 2) I didnt yell at him, he gave meta for people but not me even though we had very recently played in I think 5 games together, why talk about other players meta but not mine. I didnt contridict myself, he put a post limit on himself, then he becomes the thread captian posting very often, it didnt and still doesnt feel right to me. Also the more I thought about it the more mocsta starting the game with the appearance of a post count restriction then posting spammy is scummy. If town puts a post restriction on himself amd really plans on keeping it he doesnt come into the thread with 5 spammy posts, he makes sire those posts count. Pointing out his mixed reads and scummy reasons. I messed up the url of it and thats my bad. 3) I dont see how you can say town wouldnt post this, he flipped in a ongoing game, I havent flipped in that game, he was scum I dont want him talking about that game and accidently giving up info about it he shouldnt, look how he words it if he words it differently he could give up info, or people think he gave up info on my alignment in that game even if he didnt. So its best to just avoid it and not talk about it when he is saying I played with him in a game he was scum and I hadnt flipped. 4) This goes back to WC mafia where I felt rayn was scum but couldnt put my finger on why amd said my gut, I was right that game. Also at this point you can see in my filter I am not close to caught upon the thread, I shouldnt have posted anything until I was caught up but whateves. 5) I wrote notes as I was reading the thread you can see here how my train of thought on him changes as I read rhe thread, it shows why my read on him changed. You can see I say Im not caught up when I catch up my read changes. Also this is different from mocsta who is caught up has a read, does a random re read and multiple reads drasricly change (he does this 3-4 times) and he doesnt give his reasons. Also you are correct I have an agenda to get mocsta lynched, its called I am town he is scum, lynch scum to win game Still havent voted, I do believe my case on bereft, although my case on mocsta is much stronger. Your TL;DR 1) No idea how you get this, you never talk anything about it in your case so how it is a bullet in your tl;dr I have no idea 2) Nope, maybe if you want to count my read on rayn, but like I said I gave a read not being caught up, when I caught up I changed the read, and gave a stream of thoughts for those reads. Also where did I contridict myself in the same post, I dont see it and you dont point it out. I guess if you want to say I contridicted myself when I said I was going to call mocsta out for the post count thing being scumm and then did call him out I guess, but those arent really contridictions and 2 isnt many or all the time. 3) Not sure why this is scummy. I gave you my notes! I read everything but only comment when I see something scummy. 4) Subjective, and my case on mocsta basicly proves he is scum if you actually read it. | ||
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On November 25 2013 02:47 cDgCorazon wrote: TBH I'm 60% sure this day is going to end in a no-lynch. No one can agree with each other and scum are probably just sitting in their QT laughing at us. If it truely looks like that when I am about to sleep, Im going to stay up later than normal tonight, I will vote myself and ask everyone consolidate on me to prevent a no lynch from happening. | ||
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On November 25 2013 03:35 cDgCorazon wrote: EBWOP: Ok you voted for Mocsta. Do you still believe that Bereft is scum? If so, why is Mocsta a better lynch than Bereft in your opinion? (I think they're both bad lynches today). Yes I still feel bereft is scum. There are a few reasons why my vote is going on mocsta over bereft. 1. I think my case on mocsta is much, much stronger and after going over everything in both their filters multiple times I have a stronger scum read on mocsta 2. Mocsta is the better player, even if I didnt have a stronger read on him and my reads were close to the same stregnth I would vote mocsta as getting rid of the stronger scum player is more important 3. I have trouble reading newbies, my case on bereft hasnt recieved much feedback, so my scumread on him isnt as strong, still think he is scum though. The feed back I got was I am scum makeing a fake case lol or I will look into bereft from my very strong scum read. I am working on finishing up my mocsta case now with the proper quotes and fleshed out notes, not just what I jotted down in my notebook. | ||
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Maybe? I dont like preflip connections like bussing, I know everyone doesnt play the same way I play scum, but it is always possible its a bus. We dont even know if that is where berefts vote will stay. Ask me again after flip. Where I can connect real dots not possible ones. | ||
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On November 24 2013 20:31 ObviousOne wrote: Chezinu has replaced jampidampi. I somehow missed this... And thought chezinu was just randomly trolling into our game lol. | ||
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Can we get a vote count please? @chezinu what is your vote looking like? | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:47 Mocsta wrote: Actaully, I am not so firm on my read on Rean without a reconfirmation of facts. Frankly, the replace out of LoneMeow has tilted me a bit and i would consider lynching HF this cycle. P.S. what you wrote above is misconstruing the thread. It certainly did not go down that way. Here is where mocsta says he is ok with a HF lynch, but he gives no reason for it. He then votes rayn because rayn Martyred. On November 22 2013 00:07 Mocsta wrote: hmmmm <I am going to the QT to talk to Rayn about how to best perform damage control> but watevz For a guy that displayed shrewd analysis with the corazon read (i.e. immediately being able to identify emotional tunnel etc) its disconcerting how hard you are holding onto this Aquanim line of questioning. The original query to you was "fair game". You wrote he was leaning town (slightly) yet identified two quotes that you said had no substance. The message is unclear -- yet you keep trying to shit the thread with this. Now jamp is scum with rayn. And his reason was jamp is holding on to the aqua thing when he let something go before. I have no idea how a few posts before jamp wasmt in your scum reads to scum partners with rayn because he follows up on Aquanim. The reasons mocsta gives for people being scum juat arent real reasons. On November 22 2013 00:17 Mocsta wrote: I'm not 100% certain on this actually. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091&user=jampidampi&view=all This is the only game I have played with jampi. I didnt check the filter, but I remember specifically as town he tunneled the shit out of me even though I was essentially confirmed town. He eventually rage-quit before the game finished. The point is, he has a meta for tunnelling relentlessy, so the above may not be enough to justify a vote. Seems like an easy target rayn as well. Rayn drops his vote on jamp, mocsta who then has a scum read on jamp and who thinks is scumates with rayn, defends him calling his meta the same as his town meta for tunneling, which is what mocsta called him scum for doing on Aqua. Yes he says hes not 100% certain and it is ok to defend your scum read if you dont believe the reason they are being attacked by someone else, but mocsta called him scum because he was tunneled on Aqua. He gives meta reasons why he could be town for the same thing mocsta called him scum for. On November 22 2013 00:51 Mocsta wrote: jampidampi I see where you are coming from now - I forgot about that exchange. Ummm.. this may be one of those phrases that does not translate well from verbal -> written communication. I think that italicized sentence can be taken completely differently depending on how "constructive" is spoken (i.e. tone) Frankly, if *I* said this to you, your interpretation is 100% correct - as I am often sarcastic/spiteful like that. Aquanim may have actaully complemented you by saying you having given constructive feedback??? (Im playing NFS: RIvals, so dont feel like checking aqua filter to confirm his stance.. sorry) As for the second part where he phrases you a question. I still thiink the question is fair (but as you stated, is not the issue at hand) Before this post he after defending jamp with meta, then again makeing like some kinda joke post where he talks about rayn and Jamp in scum qt talking. He doesnt take back his jamp scum read but as you will see he takes jamp off of his lynch canidate. On November 22 2013 02:17 Mocsta wrote: It seems we are at an impasse. The only people I am willing to lynch are: Rayn, Rean, HolyFlare The only people you are willing to lynch into are: Aqua, Onegu, Bereft Corazon, whats more important to you. Standing by your top scum read; or lynching for information? I find your position ironic regarding looking at the big picture. The post you quote clearly states I felt rayn was town prior to the "incident" The incident being: The point Corazon is: before this post did you have a suspicion I was scum? If not, what is the point of this post? Ask yourself that Rayn can spew as many excuses as he wants to post-hoc to justify that behaviour; however, he can not change that it occurred. He shows his lynch list here again. Rean we have no idea what, HF for no idea why, and Rayn. And I dont understand why he asks cora the whole thing about staying by his scum read or lynching for info On November 22 2013 02:20 Mocsta wrote: Rayn Have you been mislynched before? Im not saying this is a scum slip but there is no reason to post this On November 22 2013 09:11 Mocsta wrote: Onegu post His interpretation of Bereft makes me think Bereft is scum "alls out mocsta for troll posts, first to do so. Rean vote is ok, reasons arent great, better reasons other people are voteing him but meh Makes a unreadable post with one of his scum reads then votes him after. Also doesnt read my post clearly thinking its a cora case, even though he claims to have read my filter. His reads are ok. thoughts on why rayn is scum but dont agree. Also rayn useing bullshit alot isnt alignment indicative for him " Thats pretty much exactly how scum want to play. Onegu is filling gaps and making an interpretation because Bereft is being unclear/ writing shitty cases. The worst thing is that he thought onegu case on me, was a case on corazon. If he genuinely read onegu filter to give out a town read, then this should *not* have occured as a case is one of the best ways to divine someones alignment. Ok my notes on bereft gives mocsta reason to give bereft a scum read if it is true. On November 22 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote: No, i didnt say I have a set feeling on whether rayn is town/scum. Last night I was trying to figure out if a town rayn would blow his lid like he did. I posed a musing about motive, which I had hope rayn would reply to (not sure yet). I agered with the point that a rayn lynch will improve town atmosphere, as he is blowing people off very unreasonably. If what onegu says is true about bereft I would seriously jump to that lynch THIS CYCLE. This is telling, he is ok to lynch bereft this cycle if what I say is true. But more importantly look what he says to thrawn when thrawn talks about looking to see if it is a town rayn. He isnt set if rayn is town or scum, just asking him questions while thinking about motive, but rayn still needs lynched, this just isnt something a townie says. On November 22 2013 09:21 Mocsta wrote: Yes (if its true) Im still catching up on the thread so do not know whether onegu is stating fact, or interpretation. Either way, if it is interpretation I don't think it was malicious, Mocsta has me as a town (well not scum) read at this point, so he is ok saying this but he hugely contridicts himself in a moment. On November 22 2013 09:29 Mocsta wrote: This is a really good post at a good time interval. The second part is prototypical town agenda, i suppose null. But the top part is good. Whilst others have conveyed rayn is voting every dog, cat and horse. This was a really effective way to communicate the message. its not 2 town vs 10 mafia indeed. Now before he even checks my facts, he gives big town points to bereft. On November 22 2013 09:42 Mocsta wrote: JampiDampi, Sciberbia, Onegu I refuse you believe you guys are not present for this lynch? We need to make this rayn lynch happen. A no-lynch puts us in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=47#936a terrible situation as we will just repeat this again D2 (minus a townie due to NK) Holyflare You are confirmed present and may be our only chance to reach a majority vote. I know you haven't read the game, but we are one vote off majority. I *IMPLORE* you to vote Rayn. P.S. there is 15min till deadline. This *is* urgent. I dont understand the point of this post, obviously refuseing to believe doesnt make it true, I was sleeping. Amd I really dont like people calling out other people who cant be here around deadline, it happens deal with it. This post I dont like how he says call me scummy if you want, for this type of post I dont see why town would write this. Also now he changes his stance, from its not malicious to onegu looks bad. And remember the whole I could lynch bereft this cycle. He didnt look until someone pointed out we had more time than 15min. He wasnt got to even look. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=47#936 This is where he digs up the bereft things but conviently leaves out the post that links this all together. And now since I am misrepresenting bereft I am scum. On November 22 2013 11:20 Mocsta wrote: Scib There is one thing to lynch scum and another to continue lynching scum I agree that it is very bad those you named have had very low presence over the past 8hrs. Rean in particular as a true lynch candidate. However, even if we secured a non rayn scum lynch.. he is making this game unplayable and his reads are terrible. I'm not scum. I see more value to town with a rayn lynch/mislynch than a scum lynch not in rayn. Sorry to say it but he's playing that antitown I have to call for policy Here is where he calls for policy, the same thing I pointed out with bereft, you are gunho on rayn is scum rayn is scum vote the scum, then all of a sudden you hide behind policy? Why do you feel you need to do this? The reason to say when rayn flips town, see im not sorry it was policy. On November 22 2013 12:50 Mocsta wrote: The original counter-wagons were Rean / Aqua As a musing The day had 2 halves Half 1: Before Rayn chucked martyred Half 2: After Rayn martyred My reads from Half 1 were: and then The common denominators are Rean + Jampidampi. Jampidampi is terrible as he refused to commit to anything accusations on rayn last night (from recollection) Rean is terrible for that post he made. It reads as if he knew he was not getting lynched so decided to keep quiet. I dont like holyflare, but hes low priority for me - over the next cyles Im sure if he is town he can start proving it. The part he fails to mention is his reads on those players change, and he never explains those reads. On November 22 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote: Btw, I think Thrawn is town. I did very much 24hrs ago; and his compulsion to keep swapping votes is towny to me. It could put him heavily under suspicion when rayn flipped town, and frankly, was unnecessary as scum play. I thought Aqua was town from 24hrs ago as well. Holy states that aqua is ignoring everything, but that is not my opinion. If anything, Aqua can't stop bantering back with Rayn. Again, this is over done knowing it is a town flip. Aqua could have easily nested on his read - but he did not. I have a town lean on him, but wiill still be reading his cases carefully (and with Rayn gone I expect more output like cases from him) Me: I was transparent about policy. You want to call that mafia, whatever. I knwo this game is 100% different to my recent scum game. Nothing more needs to be said + I dont knwo why you keep insinuating I am intimate with Rayns meta. I have expectations of his play, but I am not a connoiseur of him at all. Onegu: Looks pretty bad I agree regardless of AFK. This in particular. Nothing to do with the AFK its got to do with how he went about the situation. He gives rayn a town read, and forces town to consider Rayns thread opposition (me) Compare this to Corazon who is trying to avoid continuing this ego battle - Onegu instead fans the flames. Onegu *is* scum More town reads, but now I am scum, and I fanned the flames. Now I wasnt around so what flames did I fan? I dont understand this. He is making shit up for me to look bad that is what is going on. On November 22 2013 14:18 Mocsta wrote: I'm feeling really good about Corazon. I think a scum Corazon woudl love to poke fingers (a la HolyFlare). So my reads The Good: {Thrawn, JarJar, Aqua, Corazon, Bereft, *Sciberbia} The Bad: {jampidampi} & The Ugly: {#Rean/HolyFlare/Onegu} * Scibs is my weakest read in this group but I think his issue has been lack of time to deliver the content he wants to. # Interesting tidbit: Rean came into the thread so say: don't use old meta -- maybe he thought i was trying to set a trap or something INTERESTING BECAUSE the last time someone said that to me was Onegu in Hogwarts. He said, dont use meta from my last game to defend me (he was scum) More read changes this time me and HF are scum. No reason on HF other than in a previous post I cant believe HF believes what he is writeing. And he compares something rean did in this game, to something I did in a different game to make rean look scummy. How can he believe what he is writeing? On November 23 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote: sihh you huysbare playing like rayn. looking too much into words spoken and go.... oohh scum slip scum slip. thats stupid play.. townies say incorrect things all the time need to start looking into motive. anyone reading the thread from page 27 onwards should have known with crystal clear clarity that rayn was the elephant in the room that needed too be discussed. avoiding this discussion is scummy, especially because he is green in hindsight. giving weak beans reasons that he istown, and presenting a counter and then disappearing is also weak beans. all that is doing is satisfying the checklist of what to do near a lynch. conviction people. I expect the night kill to be myself or thrawn, probably thrawn since some of you are starting to question me. if I die, please read over my posts carefully. my confirmed flip DOES NOT make my reads right, but at least guarantees my intent is there. people like onegu, holy, rwan are the best flips for day2. I would go with holyflare personally as he has the best chance to convince you guys he is town but for all the wrong reasons, cheers guys, I have enjoyed playing this game and don't regret lynching rayn. I feel it was a byproduct of having a majority lynch setup but we can save thiabdiscussion for post game. if I'm alive, I will be out for maybe the first 24hrs. sorry, but real life is real life. good lcuk Look he calls out HF here for being like rayn and saying scumslip. Its stupid play. I direct you to the first post I put in my meat and potatoes part and open the spoiler and what do you see? Thats right mocsta saying cora and scib scumslipped. And rayn flipped town so calling out HF for this is so scummy, maybe he forgot he did it or thought people wouldnt see because hespoiled it, but I saw, I found it. On November 23 2013 10:59 Mocsta wrote: Thrawn Very quick. In phone thoughts with no reread Jjd Still town. I like the way he kept pushing Corazon about a point. He's always backing himself up with filter so good consistency. I don't like that he assumed rayn could be right about Me.. but. Town can make those snap calls all the time. Plus jjd was suspicious of me at the start so I think there is progression to his comment. Still town Bereft Yeah I'm a little concerned went into a big spiel to justify rayn lynch. Um not sorry about it. I'm not really sure the town motive to give that spiel as bereft wasn't under pressure to justify actions. I'm not sure if bereft is a townie that wanted to policy lynch rayn but doesn't want to admit. Or is scum hiding behind policy and again doesn't want to admit it. Inoe that onegu presented the quote where bereft thinks onegu case wasn't on me but Cora.. I have to think about it. Iverlall I would say that tell is null because that onegu case was so poorly formatted abd constructed it's message was never clear. Will give bereft benefit of the doubt and say slight town lean. If anything is not worth considering when people like holy abd onegu are alive Lastly I did not like how onegu addressed me over night. Seemed almost like a begging for forgiveness yonr. If onegu really thought I was scum I would have expected more venom. Food for thought. Gotta go. Sorry I couldn't be of more use Oh yes this post, my favorite. JJD is still town. Bereft he doesnt know, but bereft did the same thing mocsta did the same thing with rany is scum, rayn is scum, its a policy lynch. And me ONEGU IS SCUM turned into onegu provided the missing piece on bereft but that is null because of formatting, into slight town read, with no explination at all... And then how in the hell did I ask him for forgivness? It hurts my head. Lynch mocsta please he is scum. On November 23 2013 14:15 Mocsta wrote: I was posting stuff that stuck out as I was reading. Using analogies isn't scummy. Its when you dont use them and suddenly decide to. im specifically referencing "sharks were circling rayn" I dunno where my read on you sits; smoethings are good, somethings are bad. This probably means you are town, but im not confident. low priority to me regardless. Unfortunately the correct play is to leave HolyFlare alone. It is possible scum was RB or Delay KP. If Delay KP, its self-confirming. --> ezpz lynch later If RB, its odd play and the claim was made pre-lynch; suggesting its real. Absolutely dumb ass claim regardless. ##Vote: jampidampi *Maybe there is scum in the actives, but they can be figured out. Guys like this guy are too unknown. Early cycle is our best opportunity to put pressure. I have had an issue with him ever since he had the mindset to declare Corazon could be emotionally tunneled and then proceeding to tunnel aquanim over semantics. Because, I dont think he knows corazon that well, so the call emotional tunnel suggests he is highly analytical. This doesnt sit well with the lack of analytics with aquanim. I'm off again /ciao Now he votes Jamp who was out of his scum team only a few posts ago, and his reasoning? There are scum in the actives but they can be figured out, and his tunnel on aqua, but when rayn voted him he provided meta defense this is town meta and that that wasnt enough to warrwnt a vote. MOCSTA IS SCUM On November 23 2013 17:18 Mocsta wrote: Why is this relevant? My explanations are in the filter; I also suspect, that whatever I answer: (A) you won't believe me; (B) you will still think I am scummy. Seriously Onegu, make your case and then realise that this game requires a majority to lynch. You won't get a majority to lynch me --> which means you efforts on me are completely wasted --> Feigning contribution. I wanted Rayn lynched not because at the end i thought he was scummy; but because *I* thought that he would prevent town securing a majority lynch in the future cycles. I don't care whether the observers think that is a terrible decision because they are not playing in this game. In the situation: this was the decision I thought was best for town. I did not, nor do I have the means to force anyone to vote. Realise that enough people agreed with this to secure a Rayn lynch. Now he says he didnt think rayn was scum it was all policy, nope thats a lie called him scum all the way up then last few minutes said policy. On November 23 2013 17:42 Mocsta wrote: Why are you discredting what I am doing as a lurker lynch. It certainly is not. I have issues with jampidampi that I have explained numerous times. I want to see answers. Please show me these reasons and the numerous times please On November 24 2013 07:55 Mocsta wrote: Onto p 67 I've read this Onegu cas on Bereft a few times. A couple things (1) I'm leaning towards town being Onegu, a. I've never seen a scum Onegu make a case b. Even though its poorly written, I can see understand what he is fixated on. Scibs, I actually disagree with your point of view regarding the interpretation of Oengu original Mocsta case. Yes, it was poorly written and extremely easy to skim over and misinterpret. However, the issue is that Bereft decided to analyse that post in order to give a town read on somebody. Do you not find it odd that someone would only "skim/barely read" a post in order to give out such an important read. Consider further that this was the most important content in Onegu filter at the time. Onegu has convinced me enough to look into Bereft filter and make up my own mind. Obviously will do that once I'm finished catching up. Now I am full town yay!!! On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. No more Jamp, no to take sciberia from his town pile into his vote. And check out these awesome reasons bad case (subjective) defended the guy who flipped town, and defending the person his scum read made a case on. Such scummy reasons not sure why Im not voteing for scib. On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote: scibs. I'm taking a dump but just wanted to let you know we are both cb'd. at least I admitted I had no time to filter dive you and raised points from recollection. whereas you just ignore what I write outright. I decided to prioritise vorazon for good reason. its in my posy.. and guess what. since then coraxon stepped it up and started producing the goods. corazon like others, I would like yo see onehu case on me before laying down a vote. a lot of what you write seems damning though with the contradictions etc. I'm feeling a jjd vote. his timeluy felurk only when voted is not resonating well with me. I was expecting him to give impetus today. I think aqua is town, nothing to do with his read on me. I was thinking about this before.., hes still posting and trying to solve the game. I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today. jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote ##unvote ##votte: jarjardrinks aside from the tunnel on cotrazon I can't remember what he has done, I'm not even sure who his scum reads are. /arse wiped I gotta go, be back in say 8hrs Omg he goes from sciberia who was a town read as his vote, to JJD who was a town read and check out these reasons he delurked and thats it. Also now I went from town to he could vote me, and rean still not sure why he wants to vote rean since day 1... On November 24 2013 13:12 Mocsta wrote: I don't have settled thoughts anymore just lots of play I don't like its really frustrating everyone has stopped posting what I have are town reads you, bereft, aqua and cora sci is like an ongoing outlier. sometimes Towny, sometimes scummy so I'm left with the rest yo process of eliminate none of them is posting frankly, hokuflare is my favourite vote.. but I can't do it. plus hes playing co pletely differently to Hogwarts  I have to factor that in too. I really have to go now. chat later Two posts later, HF is the best lych On November 24 2013 23:42 Mocsta wrote: bereft, regarding the doc claim.., I'm inclined to believe hokyflare.. something so outrageous is fucking ballsy as scum. holy has big balls, but this claim is self confirming. let it run its course. regarding jjd, since you are familat please look over the things I'm starting to point out, Now he believes the doc claim.... On November 25 2013 00:33 Mocsta wrote: uugghhhh reading jjd night 1 hes back to null I don't get the direction hes heading in to scum hunt. will think this over sleep. sorry again for in flux of posts. I know its annoying Makes a case on JJD and then this. Mocsta cant keep his story straight. Ever. He jumps from reads to reads but mever makes a case, we never know why his reads change and the little reasons he does give are utter BS. Vote Mocsta. | ||
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On November 25 2013 07:06 ObviousOne wrote: Alakaslam repalces Rean. Omg you crossed the beams OO. Never cross the beams. Do you know what you have done to this game? Chez and slam in the same game? | ||
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Ok my internet has been out all day and is just now back on and it goes in and out. My mocsta Case. I have already said my piece on his post restriction and alot on his early day one play so I am going to continue from there on out. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote: Rayn You just played with me as scum. Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah On November 21 2013 02:44 Mocsta wrote: Interesting tidbit to shit-stir in 3 newbies vonthin was town.... suddenly replaces out with no posts On November 21 2013 03:52 Mocsta wrote: Hes scum claiming. Its impossible for anyone that played with me in Mafia LXIII to think i am scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434275&user=Mocsta for any doubters These are just a few of mocstas scum hunting, yes this is null but there are many more I just keep getting the feeling that he is feigning alot of his reads and making posts like this to up his post count and look active. On November 21 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote: My mason (thrawn) Do you get the impression onegu is just trying to shit the thread? or am i taking this too personal? We also keep getting post like this all through the game, mocsta really like trying to make friends with thrawn, seems really fake way to buddy buddy someone who is town and who I consider to be one of the the stronger players in the game. On November 21 2013 00:35 Mocsta wrote: Jampi, I like that post. Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads. Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us ! /thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu) I also want to point out this post and a few more that follow it or come right before this post, this is important because this is one of the main reasons why he was fine to policy lynch rayn. Even in this post we have a good town atmosphere but he takes a dig at me WTF. If the atmosphere is so go why does he need to take a dig at me it just doesn't make sense, Im not the type of person to take the bait but if I was he could then say he was ok to policy lynch me because I attacked him. Here are a few posts right around this post also only from mocsta, not to mention corazon. + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:20 Mocsta wrote: Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again. Important things for everyone to know: As town: - Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum) - Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player - Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation - Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine. The others no idea. On November 21 2013 01:22 Mocsta wrote: Matey, Keep talking to me like a douche and I can give it back to you equally. Please, I dropped my vote off you yonks ago; I am trying to work together here. JJD = JarJarDrinks His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249 Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum". Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations. On November 21 2013 02:08 Mocsta wrote: Rayn You just played with me as scum. Please tell Onegu he is stupid, otherwise I vote you !!! muahahahah But this all is a great town atmosphere and this is just from mocsta himself. And look how he keeps taking shots at me. Almost same with cora later but I will get to him in a bit in my next case. Now Im going to get to the meat and potatoes of why mocsta is scum. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=8#159 Ok I want you to open up the spoiled part, and look at his reads. I know bear with me and do it. He has Sciberia and Cora as scum, because of their interactions with each other, and because of scum slips keep this scum slips in mind it comes up much later. In this post he also has bereft as scum for trying to break the town circle. Also he multiple times gives Aqua a town read and Rean a town read. On November 20 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote: Post 13 Duly Noted - hence 12b prior (1) I am not trying to say anything. I said exactly what I wanted to say. (2) This is a very scummy response. You do not actually retort anything I said; instead you try to brush it off by insinuating it is stupid/incorrect. Guess what I am not going to take that leap of faith, and I won't let the thread take that leap either. Everyone has an ideal way they think they would ply their trade; yet, when push comes to shove so many things do not come to bear. Translation:I don't really care what you think you would do pre-game BEFORE receiving a role PM. What I care about is how you have played this game since AFTER receiving a role PM Now he is asked if he thinks Cora and Scib are bussing each other. Look at his very evasive answer. Im not saying anything, I said exactly what I meant to say. He never answers the question just gives a glib answer for it. On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: Post 14 @Thrawn: What do you think of Rean response. I don't have a problem that he said I might be a touch tunneled. I would prefer town tell me that. I am slightly concerned that it seems to be a big "+1" post and I dont really know what his stance is. Hence, what is the point of the comment? In short I see 3 outcomes of his post + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. (A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia (B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A) (C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people. Look, I *could* see a town make this post, but I don't like how it talks about the "core" issues yet simultaneously avoids talking about the "core" issues?? Catch my drift? P.S. Fuck da POLICE On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: Post 14 @Thrawn: What do you think of Rean response. I don't have a problem that he said I might be a touch tunneled. I would prefer town tell me that. I am slightly concerned that it seems to be a big "+1" post and I dont really know what his stance is. Hence, what is the point of the comment? In short I see 3 outcomes of his post + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. (A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia (B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A) (C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people. Look, I *could* see a town make this post, but I don't like how it talks about the "core" issues yet simultaneously avoids talking about the "core" issues?? Catch my drift? P.S. Fuck da POLICE Now somehow he is tunneled on Rean after giving him a town read 3 posts ago. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=10#189 Now he magically does a reread and his reads flip all which way. Cora becomes town for his interactions with Aqua/rean Sciberia becomes null, for consistency And Aqua becomes scum. Now yes people are allowed to change their reads that is fine, but as you will see mocsta does it often and with little reason or no reason. On November 20 2013 17:21 Aquanim wrote: I always thought Corazon's case on sciberbia was bad. That's not inconsistent with my opinion that Corazon could be town having made that case. There were two possibilities: - Corazon was town and honestly mistaken - Corazon was making a case to generate discussion and wasn't particularly concerned with its quality. Sure, Rean asked me for a scum read. That's the easiest and least insightful question you can ask, scum can do that without any effort at all. I don't see any indications that Rean is putting actual effort into his scum hunting. Everything you said about my play was more or less accurate, why should I try and deny that? Corazon and Sciberia's little dust-up was pretty much the only thing that had happened so far in the game, so I asked some other random questions. Mocsta answered questions enthusiastically and more-or-less logically, which gives me a town read on him; Rean answered questions with mostly useless one-liners, which gives me a scum read on him. I consider my time well spent. I'm about as confident that Rean is scum as Corazon, perhaps a little less, which is compensated by the advantages of opening up a second wagon. I'm not suspicious of your motives because you're obvtown. I'm not annoyed at you because you're not ridiculously misrepresenting my play (which would be bad play), you're just wrong about my alignment. Here he says Cora's case on Sciberia was bad, but he is town for it. Later he will say the exact opposite for voting Cora. And Rean is scummy for answering his questions but not giving good answers that weren't more than one or two lines. Thrawn is Obv Town On November 20 2013 17:21 Mocsta wrote: Quote of the day. + Show Spoiler + Its interesting the case on Rean only came out after I gave some meta speil on Aquanim being proactive I gotta get some credit mason man ##Vote: Aquanim Choo-Choo !! Votes Aqua for Thrawns reason. Sure he gave his own reasons on why Aqua is scum go read them I quoted them, tell me if you think they are legit reasons or not. On November 20 2013 17:25 Aquanim wrote: Okay, let me rephrase that. I don't see any town-motivated purpose to Corazon's posting so far. If he thinks Sciberbia is scum, why isn't he voting for him? If he isn't confident Sciberbia is scum, why is he pushing the Sciberbia-scum argument so vehemently? I think Corazon's case is bad but obviously he doesn't. Corazon's vote doesn't have to be consistent with my opinion of his case, it has to be consistent with his opinion - and it's not. A few posts later from where he calls cora town for his bad case now he cant see a pro town reason for it. On November 20 2013 17:30 Mocsta wrote: You have got to be joking me? As we are speaking generically: the only time scum have an easy time giving scum reads is if they are referring to their own team. Otherwise, they are *always* lying - due to calling town players that they *know* are town... scum. Mafia is a game of psychology and motive. The whole point is to catch mafia in a lie that a townie would not execute. Scum giving bullshit scum reads is meant to be one of those avenues. I dont have a clue how you get this so wrong? Why feel the need to build a case and *vote* for Rean instead of produce a series of questioning aimed at discerning his alignment? If anything a vote/case on him could make him harder to read as it puts him on the alert?? Soft defends Rean here. On November 21 2013 00:35 Mocsta wrote: Jampi, I like that post. Also just wanted to say this is one of the best Day1 town atmospheres I have seen in regarding to getting straight into analysis/sharing reads. Keep this up and a scum day1 lynch won't be too beyond us ! /thread captain (yes thats a dig @ Onegu) Likes a post from Jamp. On November 21 2013 10:57 Mocsta wrote: ##Unvote After I get back from a meeting I will re-read the thread with an unbiased mind. One thing not in your favour is that I personally do not like the combo of Rean/Cora, maybe 1 of them but not both (and you keep focusing attention on this) I would expect if both are scum, and you/i/thrawn were town; they would have tried to combo up more. Instead it felt like two conversations in parallel (you + rean) (thrawn + myself + cora) Another thing not in your favour is acknowledgement of Onegu. (who I do think is scum) On one hand it should be clear that he is a viable push for your safety today; but you are not taking that opportunity (even though you admit he is "scummi-ish" Though you could contest that on the other hand you should be pushing your best scum read; considering the brevity of your situation (6/12 votes) this is silly - Onegu is apparently in top 3 and could secure your safety. Here he unvotes Aqua because he likes how he didnt push me. But somehow he ignores the possibility that we could be scum together. Why because he knows we arent. This unvote reason it terrible. On November 21 2013 14:49 Mocsta wrote: Guys, Im about 60% through my re-read (so up to about p20) - taking a breather and only skimmed the content since Bereft voted ?rean? Firstly, we need to start consolidating a vote as 7 is required to secure a lynch. Next, this is my group of strong town reads from p5 -> p20 {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Rayn} Yes, I do not think Aquanim is scum anymore. I think he has a different mentality and Thrawn and myself misinterpreted his intentions. Aquanim has actually been very open and transparent in a confused/wishy-washy manner; as opposed to wishy-washy in an intentionally misleading manner. This is my group of tentative town reads from p5->p20 (i.e. people i dont have interest to lynch this cycle) {Corazon, Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow} Yes, Onegu is here. In hindsight it would be suicide as scum to come out and say he had a scum read on me and Thrawn. Unless his mission was to shit the thread, which I think is grasping at straws. I egged Onegu so will accept responsiblity for getting him to tunnel me. Thus, this is my pile of shit left over: for todays lynch {Rean, Sciberbia, jampidampi} (Currently, i actually think these 3 *are* the scum team too) Rean already has traction, so lets hit the 7 with him. ##Vote: Rean But here is also where it gets interesting, He gives town reads for Rayn, Bereft, , Aqua, me, and cora. His scum reads are Sciberia, Rean, and Jamp. Before this he has had rean as a town read, Sciberia as null, and Jamp as he liked his posts. The only reason he gives for these read changes are mine and he doesnt see me doing what I did as scum. And Aqua who he had as scum for a long time and had just unvoted. His reason? Open and Transparent On November 21 2013 14:56 Mocsta wrote: Who said I was making associations? Those are my 3 scummiest reads independantly. Aside from that, I think they also have odd interactions with each other. jampidampi is in that pile 50% through Process of Elimination, 50% filter Scibs is through filter Rean is through filter I thought you would be happy that you are in my town pile. Still no reasons On November 21 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote: - Picking on Corazon early game, whilst ignoring you and I for similar toned posts He phrases it as a conversation starter, but its pretty clear it is shit-stirring. - Scibs also states he hates early game trolling, yet is contributing to a negative atmosphere. THink about this: he stated Corazon was scum off what he defined later as 99% null, 1% scummy. Its clearly an over reaction and all it does is force people to point fingers at each other ==> atmosphere scum love. - His case on Corazon is terrible. #2 is acceptable because a majority misread corazon intentions #1 is terrible because scibs is a hypocrite for singling out corazon but further, he is calling corazon scummy for being bad, there is nothing about scum motive in this point #3 - is just a weak point Overall this case is calling corazon a bad townie, and relies on the reader to assume the points are scummy. This is a sign of a poor/half-assed case.. yet. scibs said i stole his thunder when i said corazon was scummy. His actions are not congruent with filter. - Scibs is suddenly suspicous of Rean, but asks such a baseless question that is not alignment-indicative. Again, this is not congruent with being a genuine scum read - Scibs has a really odd timed delurked to chat with jampidampi. In this convo he avoids discussing the interplay between rean/aqua - which makes ZERO sense if rean was his 2nd scum read. This is a *very* bad point In short: scibs is promoting a negative, finger-pointing atmosphere even though he resents trolling. This is scummy. Scibs is an analytical player but his case on corazon had no conviction and relied ont he reader to fill in the gaps. This is scummy. Scibs stance on players is not congruent with what he is asking the thread about (i.e. rean, even though he is his 2nd scum read). This is really scummy. (stopped at page 20) This is the only reason he gives for his scum reads and atually read it. It is mostly meta, and promoting a negative thread attitude, but read his filter he isnt doing that at all, and it is subjective if he is or isnt any way not a reason to call someone scum. On November 21 2013 17:25 Mocsta wrote: Read the whole game. Updated reads list: The Good: {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Bereft} The Bad: {Onegu, LoneMeow, Rayn, Sciberbia} The Ugly: {Rean, jampidampi, Corazon} Key swaps: Sciberbia: Has nothing to do with comments before. Has to do with how he was interpreting Aquanim. If Rean flips scum, Sciberbia comes out looking pretty good for trying to get focus off Aquanim. Will have to do a specific filter-dive to firm this read up. Content in the middle. Rayn: I have loved everything he did (UNTIL) he dropped his vote on Rean out of nowhere. This just makes no sense given the back/n/forth. Corazon: I have two major issues with him (1) Hes only accusing people that have attacked him. (2) He is refusing to answer JJD question about the first post which I EMAND* an answer forTo which I will expound: Corazon bluntly states that is it ridiculous to consider Sciberbia scum from the page 1 (which is 5). The truth lies in the filter however: This quote led to a lot of confusion. Corazon later confirms the intent of rocking the boat was to call Sciberbia scummy. What we have is Corazon caught in a lie. First he calls Sciberbia scummy for 1 post. More recently he states he can't have thought Scibs was scummy for that 1 post. JJD has to ask *repeatedly* for such a simple answer and Corazon continuously refuses to comply. Corazon *knows* he is caught in a lie - a scummy lie.[/ A few posts later his reads change once again. Rayn no longer town, Scib no longer scum even though that was the only person he gave a reason for being scum, Cora goes from town to Scum. Scib is town because of a intereaction with Aqua, Rayn for a vote, and cora goes from town to scum, because he accuses his attackers, refuses to answer questions even though he does this again later and mocsta doesnt give him a scum read then. On November 21 2013 23:35 Mocsta wrote: Wow.. we are not on the same page. The difference is Aquanim is not confident but continues to be an open book - allowing you to keep provoking him. Rean on the other hand answers the questions to the point and delivers nothing more. I know i find the latter more scummy, so should you. On November 21 2013 23:47 Mocsta wrote: Actaully, I am not so firm on my read on Rean without a reconfirmation of facts. Frankly, the replace out of LoneMeow has tilted me a bit and i would consider lynching HF this cycle. P.S. what you wrote above is misconstruing the thread. It certainly did not go down that way. Here is where mocsta says he is ok with a HF lynch, but he gives no reason for it. He then votes rayn because rayn Martyred. On November 22 2013 00:07 Mocsta wrote: hmmmm <I am going to the QT to talk to Rayn about how to best perform damage control> but watevz For a guy that displayed shrewd analysis with the corazon read (i.e. immediately being able to identify emotional tunnel etc) its disconcerting how hard you are holding onto this Aquanim line of questioning. The original query to you was "fair game". You wrote he was leaning town (slightly) yet identified two quotes that you said had no substance. The message is unclear -- yet you keep trying to shit the thread with this. Now jamp is scum with rayn. And his reason was jamp is holding on to the aqua thing when he let something go before. I have no idea how a few posts before jamp wasmt in your scum reads to scum partners with rayn because he follows up on Aquanim. The reasons mocsta gives for people being scum juat arent real reasons. On November 22 2013 00:17 Mocsta wrote: I'm not 100% certain on this actually. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091&user=jampidampi&view=all This is the only game I have played with jampi. I didnt check the filter, but I remember specifically as town he tunneled the shit out of me even though I was essentially confirmed town. He eventually rage-quit before the game finished. The point is, he has a meta for tunnelling relentlessy, so the above may not be enough to justify a vote. Seems like an easy target rayn as well. Rayn drops his vote on jamp, mocsta who then has a scum read on jamp and who thinks is scumates with rayn, defends him calling his meta the same as his town meta for tunneling, which is what mocsta called him scum for doing on Aqua. Yes he says hes not 100% certain and it is ok to defend your scum read if you dont believe the reason they are being attacked by someone else, but mocsta called him scum because he was tunneled on Aqua. He gives meta reasons why he could be town for the same thing mocsta called him scum for. On November 22 2013 00:51 Mocsta wrote: jampidampi I see where you are coming from now - I forgot about that exchange. Ummm.. this may be one of those phrases that does not translate well from verbal -> written communication. I think that italicized sentence can be taken completely differently depending on how "constructive" is spoken (i.e. tone) Frankly, if *I* said this to you, your interpretation is 100% correct - as I am often sarcastic/spiteful like that. Aquanim may have actaully complemented you by saying you having given constructive feedback??? (Im playing NFS: RIvals, so dont feel like checking aqua filter to confirm his stance.. sorry) As for the second part where he phrases you a question. I still thiink the question is fair (but as you stated, is not the issue at hand) Before this post he after defending jamp with meta, then again makeing like some kinda joke post where he talks about rayn and Jamp in scum qt talking. He doesnt take back his jamp scum read but as you will see he takes jamp off of his lynch canidate. On November 22 2013 02:17 Mocsta wrote: It seems we are at an impasse. The only people I am willing to lynch are: Rayn, Rean, HolyFlare The only people you are willing to lynch into are: Aqua, Onegu, Bereft Corazon, whats more important to you. Standing by your top scum read; or lynching for information? I find your position ironic regarding looking at the big picture. The post you quote clearly states I felt rayn was town prior to the "incident" The incident being: The point Corazon is: before this post did you have a suspicion I was scum? If not, what is the point of this post? Ask yourself that Rayn can spew as many excuses as he wants to post-hoc to justify that behaviour; however, he can not change that it occurred. He shows his lynch list here again. Rean we have no idea what, HF for no idea why, and Rayn. And I dont understand why he asks cora the whole thing about staying by his scum read or lynching for info On November 22 2013 02:20 Mocsta wrote: Rayn Have you been mislynched before? Im not saying this is a scum slip but there is no reason to post this On November 22 2013 09:11 Mocsta wrote: Onegu post His interpretation of Bereft makes me think Bereft is scum "alls out mocsta for troll posts, first to do so. Rean vote is ok, reasons arent great, better reasons other people are voteing him but meh Makes a unreadable post with one of his scum reads then votes him after. Also doesnt read my post clearly thinking its a cora case, even though he claims to have read my filter. His reads are ok. thoughts on why rayn is scum but dont agree. Also rayn useing bullshit alot isnt alignment indicative for him " Thats pretty much exactly how scum want to play. Onegu is filling gaps and making an interpretation because Bereft is being unclear/ writing shitty cases. The worst thing is that he thought onegu case on me, was a case on corazon. If he genuinely read onegu filter to give out a town read, then this should *not* have occured as a case is one of the best ways to divine someones alignment. Ok my notes on bereft gives mocsta reason to give bereft a scum read if it is true. On November 22 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote: No, i didnt say I have a set feeling on whether rayn is town/scum. Last night I was trying to figure out if a town rayn would blow his lid like he did. I posed a musing about motive, which I had hope rayn would reply to (not sure yet). I agered with the point that a rayn lynch will improve town atmosphere, as he is blowing people off very unreasonably. If what onegu says is true about bereft I would seriously jump to that lynch THIS CYCLE. This is telling, he is ok to lynch bereft this cycle if what I say is true. But more importantly look what he says to thrawn when thrawn talks about looking to see if it is a town rayn. He isnt set if rayn is town or scum, just asking him questions while thinking about motive, but rayn still needs lynched, this just isnt something a townie says. On November 22 2013 09:21 Mocsta wrote: Yes (if its true) Im still catching up on the thread so do not know whether onegu is stating fact, or interpretation. Either way, if it is interpretation I don't think it was malicious, Mocsta has me as a town (well not scum) read at this point, so he is ok saying this but he hugely contridicts himself in a moment. On November 22 2013 09:29 Mocsta wrote: This is a really good post at a good time interval. The second part is prototypical town agenda, i suppose null. But the top part is good. Whilst others have conveyed rayn is voting every dog, cat and horse. This was a really effective way to communicate the message. its not 2 town vs 10 mafia indeed. Now before he even checks my facts, he gives big town points to bereft. On November 22 2013 09:42 Mocsta wrote: JampiDampi, Sciberbia, Onegu I refuse you believe you guys are not present for this lynch? We need to make this rayn lynch happen. A no-lynch puts us in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=47#936a terrible situation as we will just repeat this again D2 (minus a townie due to NK) Holyflare You are confirmed present and may be our only chance to reach a majority vote. I know you haven't read the game, but we are one vote off majority. I *IMPLORE* you to vote Rayn. P.S. there is 15min till deadline. This *is* urgent. I dont understand the point of this post, obviously refuseing to believe doesnt make it true, I was sleeping. Amd I really dont like people calling out other people who cant be here around deadline, it happens deal with it. This post I dont like how he says call me scummy if you want, for this type of post I dont see why town would write this. Also now he changes his stance, from its not malicious to onegu looks bad. And remember the whole I could lynch bereft this cycle. He didnt look until someone pointed out we had more time than 15min. He wasnt got to even look. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=47#936 This is where he digs up the bereft things but conviently leaves out the post that links this all together. And now since I am misrepresenting bereft I am scum. On November 22 2013 11:20 Mocsta wrote: Scib There is one thing to lynch scum and another to continue lynching scum I agree that it is very bad those you named have had very low presence over the past 8hrs. Rean in particular as a true lynch candidate. However, even if we secured a non rayn scum lynch.. he is making this game unplayable and his reads are terrible. I'm not scum. I see more value to town with a rayn lynch/mislynch than a scum lynch not in rayn. Sorry to say it but he's playing that antitown I have to call for policy Here is where he calls for policy, the same thing I pointed out with bereft, you are gunho on rayn is scum rayn is scum vote the scum, then all of a sudden you hide behind policy? Why do you feel you need to do this? The reason to say when rayn flips town, see im not sorry it was policy. On November 22 2013 12:50 Mocsta wrote: The original counter-wagons were Rean / Aqua As a musing The day had 2 halves Half 1: Before Rayn chucked martyred Half 2: After Rayn martyred My reads from Half 1 were: and then The common denominators are Rean + Jampidampi. Jampidampi is terrible as he refused to commit to anything accusations on rayn last night (from recollection) Rean is terrible for that post he made. It reads as if he knew he was not getting lynched so decided to keep quiet. I dont like holyflare, but hes low priority for me - over the next cyles Im sure if he is town he can start proving it. The part he fails to mention is his reads on those players change, and he never explains those reads. On November 22 2013 13:11 Mocsta wrote: Btw, I think Thrawn is town. I did very much 24hrs ago; and his compulsion to keep swapping votes is towny to me. It could put him heavily under suspicion when rayn flipped town, and frankly, was unnecessary as scum play. I thought Aqua was town from 24hrs ago as well. Holy states that aqua is ignoring everything, but that is not my opinion. If anything, Aqua can't stop bantering back with Rayn. Again, this is over done knowing it is a town flip. Aqua could have easily nested on his read - but he did not. I have a town lean on him, but wiill still be reading his cases carefully (and with Rayn gone I expect more output like cases from him) Me: I was transparent about policy. You want to call that mafia, whatever. I knwo this game is 100% different to my recent scum game. Nothing more needs to be said + I dont knwo why you keep insinuating I am intimate with Rayns meta. I have expectations of his play, but I am not a connoiseur of him at all. Onegu: Looks pretty bad I agree regardless of AFK. This in particular. Nothing to do with the AFK its got to do with how he went about the situation. He gives rayn a town read, and forces town to consider Rayns thread opposition (me) Compare this to Corazon who is trying to avoid continuing this ego battle - Onegu instead fans the flames. Onegu *is* scum More town reads, but now I am scum, and I fanned the flames. Now I wasnt around so what flames did I fan? I dont understand this. He is making shit up for me to look bad that is what is going on. On November 22 2013 14:18 Mocsta wrote: I'm feeling really good about Corazon. I think a scum Corazon woudl love to poke fingers (a la HolyFlare). So my reads The Good: {Thrawn, JarJar, Aqua, Corazon, Bereft, *Sciberbia} The Bad: {jampidampi} & The Ugly: {#Rean/HolyFlare/Onegu} * Scibs is my weakest read in this group but I think his issue has been lack of time to deliver the content he wants to. # Interesting tidbit: Rean came into the thread so say: don't use old meta -- maybe he thought i was trying to set a trap or something INTERESTING BECAUSE the last time someone said that to me was Onegu in Hogwarts. He said, dont use meta from my last game to defend me (he was scum) More read changes this time me and HF are scum. No reason on HF other than in a previous post I cant believe HF believes what he is writeing. And he compares something rean did in this game, to something I did in a different game to make rean look scummy. How can he believe what he is writeing? On November 23 2013 09:16 Mocsta wrote: sihh you huysbare playing like rayn. looking too much into words spoken and go.... oohh scum slip scum slip. thats stupid play.. townies say incorrect things all the time need to start looking into motive. anyone reading the thread from page 27 onwards should have known with crystal clear clarity that rayn was the elephant in the room that needed too be discussed. avoiding this discussion is scummy, especially because he is green in hindsight. giving weak beans reasons that he istown, and presenting a counter and then disappearing is also weak beans. all that is doing is satisfying the checklist of what to do near a lynch. conviction people. I expect the night kill to be myself or thrawn, probably thrawn since some of you are starting to question me. if I die, please read over my posts carefully. my confirmed flip DOES NOT make my reads right, but at least guarantees my intent is there. people like onegu, holy, rwan are the best flips for day2. I would go with holyflare personally as he has the best chance to convince you guys he is town but for all the wrong reasons, cheers guys, I have enjoyed playing this game and don't regret lynching rayn. I feel it was a byproduct of having a majority lynch setup but we can save thiabdiscussion for post game. if I'm alive, I will be out for maybe the first 24hrs. sorry, but real life is real life. good lcuk Look he calls out HF here for being like rayn and saying scumslip. Its stupid play. I direct you to the first post I put in my meat and potatoes part and open the spoiler and what do you see? Thats right mocsta saying cora and scib scumslipped. And rayn flipped town so calling out HF for this is so scummy, maybe he forgot he did it or thought people wouldnt see because hespoiled it, but I saw, I found it. On November 23 2013 10:59 Mocsta wrote: Thrawn Very quick. In phone thoughts with no reread Jjd Still town. I like the way he kept pushing Corazon about a point. He's always backing himself up with filter so good consistency. I don't like that he assumed rayn could be right about Me.. but. Town can make those snap calls all the time. Plus jjd was suspicious of me at the start so I think there is progression to his comment. Still town Bereft Yeah I'm a little concerned went into a big spiel to justify rayn lynch. Um not sorry about it. I'm not really sure the town motive to give that spiel as bereft wasn't under pressure to justify actions. I'm not sure if bereft is a townie that wanted to policy lynch rayn but doesn't want to admit. Or is scum hiding behind policy and again doesn't want to admit it. Inoe that onegu presented the quote where bereft thinks onegu case wasn't on me but Cora.. I have to think about it. Iverlall I would say that tell is null because that onegu case was so poorly formatted abd constructed it's message was never clear. Will give bereft benefit of the doubt and say slight town lean. If anything is not worth considering when people like holy abd onegu are alive Lastly I did not like how onegu addressed me over night. Seemed almost like a begging for forgiveness yonr. If onegu really thought I was scum I would have expected more venom. Food for thought. Gotta go. Sorry I couldn't be of more use Oh yes this post, my favorite. JJD is still town. Bereft he doesnt know, but bereft did the same thing mocsta did the same thing with rany is scum, rayn is scum, its a policy lynch. And me ONEGU IS SCUM turned into onegu provided the missing piece on bereft but that is null because of formatting, into slight town read, with no explination at all... And then how in the hell did I ask him for forgivness? It hurts my head. Lynch mocsta please he is scum. On November 23 2013 14:15 Mocsta wrote: I was posting stuff that stuck out as I was reading. Using analogies isn't scummy. Its when you dont use them and suddenly decide to. im specifically referencing "sharks were circling rayn" I dunno where my read on you sits; smoethings are good, somethings are bad. This probably means you are town, but im not confident. low priority to me regardless. Unfortunately the correct play is to leave HolyFlare alone. It is possible scum was RB or Delay KP. If Delay KP, its self-confirming. --> ezpz lynch later If RB, its odd play and the claim was made pre-lynch; suggesting its real. Absolutely dumb ass claim regardless. ##Vote: jampidampi *Maybe there is scum in the actives, but they can be figured out. Guys like this guy are too unknown. Early cycle is our best opportunity to put pressure. I have had an issue with him ever since he had the mindset to declare Corazon could be emotionally tunneled and then proceeding to tunnel aquanim over semantics. Because, I dont think he knows corazon that well, so the call emotional tunnel suggests he is highly analytical. This doesnt sit well with the lack of analytics with aquanim. I'm off again /ciao Now he votes Jamp who was out of his scum team only a few posts ago, and his reasoning? There are scum in the actives but they can be figured out, and his tunnel on aqua, but when rayn voted him he provided meta defense this is town meta and that that wasnt enough to warrwnt a vote. MOCSTA IS SCUM On November 23 2013 17:18 Mocsta wrote: Why is this relevant? My explanations are in the filter; I also suspect, that whatever I answer: (A) you won't believe me; (B) you will still think I am scummy. Seriously Onegu, make your case and then realise that this game requires a majority to lynch. You won't get a majority to lynch me --> which means you efforts on me are completely wasted --> Feigning contribution. I wanted Rayn lynched not because at the end i thought he was scummy; but because *I* thought that he would prevent town securing a majority lynch in the future cycles. I don't care whether the observers think that is a terrible decision because they are not playing in this game. In the situation: this was the decision I thought was best for town. I did not, nor do I have the means to force anyone to vote. Realise that enough people agreed with this to secure a Rayn lynch. Now he says he didnt think rayn was scum it was all policy, nope thats a lie called him scum all the way up then last few minutes said policy. On November 23 2013 17:42 Mocsta wrote: Why are you discredting what I am doing as a lurker lynch. It certainly is not. I have issues with jampidampi that I have explained numerous times. I want to see answers. Please show me these reasons and the numerous times please On November 24 2013 07:55 Mocsta wrote: Onto p 67 I've read this Onegu cas on Bereft a few times. A couple things (1) I'm leaning towards town being Onegu, a. I've never seen a scum Onegu make a case b. Even though its poorly written, I can see understand what he is fixated on. Scibs, I actually disagree with your point of view regarding the interpretation of Oengu original Mocsta case. Yes, it was poorly written and extremely easy to skim over and misinterpret. However, the issue is that Bereft decided to analyse that post in order to give a town read on somebody. Do you not find it odd that someone would only "skim/barely read" a post in order to give out such an important read. Consider further that this was the most important content in Onegu filter at the time. Onegu has convinced me enough to look into Bereft filter and make up my own mind. Obviously will do that once I'm finished catching up. Now I am full town yay!!! On November 24 2013 09:31 Mocsta wrote: I didn't think it would take 13minutes for a response. But whatevers, I obviously haven't had a chance to look into Scibs filter in detail (or at all) since i was consumed with Corazon. Things I remember from Scibs - Terrible case on Corazon - Came in and gave a town read on Rayn, and then semi-AFK'd, he stated he wanted Onegu lynched as a priority but it was clear he was happy playing second-fiddle - Gives a defense of Bereft; and if Onegu was his best scum read, *SHOULD* have followed through with why Onegu is intentionally misrepresenting play and why Onegu is the best lynch for today. Essentially 2 cycles in a row, Scibs is happy emailing everyone a bulletin of his intentions and doing nothing to campaign for them. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sciberbia If someone wants to filter dive him whilst I'm gone, and prove otherwise - go ahead. until that point in time, he is most definitely the best lynch for today. No more Jamp, no to take sciberia from his town pile into his vote. And check out these awesome reasons bad case (subjective) defended the guy who flipped town, and defending the person his scum read made a case on. Such scummy reasons not sure why Im not voteing for scib. On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote: scibs. I'm taking a dump but just wanted to let you know we are both cb'd. at least I admitted I had no time to filter dive you and raised points from recollection. whereas you just ignore what I write outright. I decided to prioritise vorazon for good reason. its in my posy.. and guess what. since then coraxon stepped it up and started producing the goods. corazon like others, I would like yo see onehu case on me before laying down a vote. a lot of what you write seems damning though with the contradictions etc. I'm feeling a jjd vote. his timeluy felurk only when voted is not resonating well with me. I was expecting him to give impetus today. I think aqua is town, nothing to do with his read on me. I was thinking about this before.., hes still posting and trying to solve the game. I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today. jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote ##unvote ##votte: jarjardrinks aside from the tunnel on cotrazon I can't remember what he has done, I'm not even sure who his scum reads are. /arse wiped I gotta go, be back in say 8hrs Omg he goes from sciberia who was a town read as his vote, to JJD who was a town read and check out these reasons he delurked and thats it. Also now I went from town to he could vote me, and rean still not sure why he wants to vote rean since day 1... On November 24 2013 13:12 Mocsta wrote: I don't have settled thoughts anymore just lots of play I don't like its really frustrating everyone has stopped posting what I have are town reads you, bereft, aqua and cora sci is like an ongoing outlier. sometimes Towny, sometimes scummy so I'm left with the rest yo process of eliminate none of them is posting frankly, hokuflare is my favourite vote.. but I can't do it. plus hes playing co pletely differently to Hogwarts I have to factor that in too. I really have to go now. chat later Two posts later, HF is the best lych On November 24 2013 23:42 Mocsta wrote: bereft, regarding the doc claim.., I'm inclined to believe hokyflare.. something so outrageous is fucking ballsy as scum. holy has big balls, but this claim is self confirming. let it run its course. regarding jjd, since you are familat please look over the things I'm starting to point out, Now he believes the doc claim.... On November 25 2013 00:33 Mocsta wrote: uugghhhh reading jjd night 1 hes back to null I don't get the direction hes heading in to scum hunt. will think this over sleep. sorry again for in flux of posts. I know its annoying Makes a case on JJD and then this. Mocsta cant keep his story straight. Ever. He jumps from reads to reads but mever makes a case, we never know why his reads change and the little reasons he does give are utter BS. Vote Mocsta. Full case, just take out the random aqua quotes, no idea how they got in there. | ||
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On November 25 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote: While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend. In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either: a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights or b)be lynched due to his behavior A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them. I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now. Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching? My son cried so I woke up read the thread saw this and that cora basicly scum claimed here, then it goes from it was a great case, to it was a bad case just vote onegu. And since you guys obv didnt read my case, maybe it is to long and you thought you would just get the jist of it let me tl;dr it for you fools. Mocsta hasnt made a real case all game, his reads jump around all game without any reason given or BS. NOW LOOK AT HIS REASON TO WANT TO LYNCH JAMP. Because jamp tunneled onto Aqua, but when rayn says that mocsta gives a meta reason that is town for jamp. Uses the words scumslip for cora and scib, and scum claim for me. Then calls out HF for seeing scum slips. Also when I make my notes, if its true he can lynch bereft that cycle, doesnt check when he thinks he is out of time, says if I am wrong its not malicious, to he leaves out the most important piece and Im scum for trying to make bereft look bad. Is scum scum scum on rayn, then right before lynch switches to its a policy vote, then after lynch lies and says he didnt have rayn as scum but was afraid rayn wouldnt get a lynch through. | ||
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And when you lynch me actually read the fucking case on mocsta, I stayed up until 5am writeing that thing and all of you dont even read it. Also cora when he links shit for slam to read he didnt even link my mocsta case. And I didnt cherrypick anything, read the damn case, then read mocsta filter and tell me what relevant info I left out. Back to sleep ##lawlaiddown | ||
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On November 25 2013 10:40 cDgCorazon wrote: If I "scum claimed" as I have been attested to do so about 15 times this game, why aren't you voting for me? After mocsta your next dont worry. | ||
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On November 25 2013 10:46 cDgCorazon wrote: Fine. Although Onegu just said I "scum slipped" and then says Mocsta is scum for calling out "scum slips", I'll consolidate. ##unvote: ##Vote: JJD Nope see you didnt read my case, mocsta uses scum slips then calls out HF for his use of "scum slips". How could you say my case was a great case when you didnt even read it? | ||
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On November 25 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote: Onegu I read it and commented It's a bad case and misses things I know that exist in my filter. I do t thinkthe cherry picking was malicious. I actually believe you think I am scum. You are as bad a lynch today as me. Jjd even now shows no care. Just promises of activity. Does he truly read to you as town fighting for his life?? Show me what I missed then, I pulled out everytime you made a read, show me your jamp cases. Show me what I missed was relevant. | ||
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On November 25 2013 11:24 Mocsta wrote: Onegu. I only have limited time and I don't think retorting post for post will change your read Perhaps your issue is that you expect a case to precede a vote. I don't work that way, and neither do a lot of other players. By case i mean a full blown analysis. Thats all fine and good, but if you look at your reason for voteing jamp its the same reason rayn did and you defended him from rayn with meta that he was town. | ||
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On November 25 2013 11:37 Mocsta wrote: Onegu, enlighten me. Did I think Rean was scum at this time? I wrote a lot of spiel on JJD last night and even voted him. So I find this comment out of place as an intro. Thoughts? On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote: scibs. I'm taking a dump but just wanted to let you know we are both cb'd. at least I admitted I had no time to filter dive you and raised points from recollection. whereas you just ignore what I write outright. I decided to prioritise vorazon for good reason. its in my posy.. and guess what. since then coraxon stepped it up and started producing the goods. corazon like others, I would like yo see onehu case on me before laying down a vote. a lot of what you write seems damning though with the contradictions etc. I'm feeling a jjd vote. his timeluy felurk only when voted is not resonating well with me. I was expecting him to give impetus today. I think aqua is town, nothing to do with his read on me. I was thinking about this before.., hes still posting and trying to solve the game. I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today. jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote ##unvote ##votte: jarjardrinks aside from the tunnel on cotrazon I can't remember what he has done, I'm not even sure who his scum reads are. /arse wiped I gotta go, be back in say 8hrs You mean here where you vote JJD, but also say rean is a good lynch? Yeah I would say slam is right. How can you not keep your reads straight? | ||
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On November 24 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote: thrawn note jjd last point on rean. then note his intro line on nominating rean as scum. it encapsulates.. more scummy TO ME this was a pretty detailed post from jjd and was one of the reasons I had a town read on him.. I'm considering jjd sensed rean was going down and bussed him. I haven't checked vote counts to sense timing awareness though. I'm on tablet tonight so its really hard to quote, but before this jjd goes from scum read on me to unjustified scum read on corazon to this read on rean. I do find it odd that jjd in his first post analysis of team states he is doing nothing, when he is in fact calling out his former scum read corazon. food for thought Here you also show JJD was bussing rean, then you are gone and slam joins looks at most recent stuff and sees you ok to vote rean. | ||
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On November 25 2013 11:46 Mocsta wrote: I didnt vote him; you get too fixated on the phrase, and not enough on the intent. I can say all 11 people are scummy; fact is, I have one vote. Thats the action that *does* matter. Slam said you thought he was scum, slam was right, are only the people you vote people you consider scum? | ||
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On November 24 2013 23:38 Bereft wrote: no, sciberia, noo having just played with JJD i don't see it. his posting is pretty consistent with his last game (where he was town) -- sporadic posts which are occasional one to two liners. having read through his filter, i do not think they are without substance. i checked through his filter from our last game, and here are his post counts for 2 hours pre-lynch: day 1: 1 (context: his vote is for scum, who ultimately was lynched) + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2013 08:33 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: fuba I can't believe people are voting for one of the most active people in the game when the race is between him and someone w/ 3 posts. day 2: 0 (context: town was winning by a landslide and the mafia lynch was inevitable) if you guys are confident about this read i'll really have to reconsider, but right now i'm not willing to vote JJD. also, i know you guys have expressed wariness to lynch HF after his doctor claim. but look at how he has ignored the important questions directed at him since his claim, and only diverted attention (such as posting his flavor, etc). think about it this way: would a real town doctor have such indifference to getting mislynched? his lack of true strategy when claiming, his bullshit excuse, his indifference...having played with him before, i cannot reconcile to his current behavior and cannot see a scenario where his claim is true. This bit is a little bit scummy where he says if you guys really thinks so, but overall he hard defends someone who flipped town and tried to stop the lynch. But the scummy part could be him being new and willing to listen to people he considers vets and townie. | ||
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About bereft posts like this On November 24 2013 15:12 Bereft wrote: I'm not sure how I feel about an onegu lynch. I read your case, Cora, along with his filter. the problem is I find onegu hard to read (both literally and figuratively, the former of which has led to his scum read on me unfortunately). I'm actually very willing to consider that he might be town right now, because his tone sounds very genuine. also, the post where he gave me an out / an opportunity to play the newbie card stands out. I don't see why he would do this as scum: he quoted me on this in his filter (I'd forgotten I'd said this): this will be I-RO-NIC if mocsta's scum. Give me a town feel, he is wrong that is something a scum onegu would do is give him a out so I can change my mind on him anytime I want, but him saying it is misguided town. If he were scum I think he comes after me for that post not give me a town read for it. | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote: Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not. The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder. Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier? | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:34 Alakaslam wrote: No, and huh? What delay? Catch me up on that please. What page is that case on? You are aware Cora had a case on you? Yes I know he had a case on me Ill post my response and my case on mocsta, its long and long winded just so you know. | ||
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Did you read it or just glance at it? I mean yes I fail at bbc code but why wasnt it obvious it wasnt the same case you had defended yourself from already? The top part of it looked exactly the same. From what you wrote it looks like you at least look at it because you say those are old arguements and I bring nothing new to the table. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:48 cDgCorazon wrote: I've looked at that post 5 times and outside of the part where you talked about Mocsta's posts at the end, I have no clue what is your writing and what is Mocsta's. All mocsta, mine is only the part at the bottom. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:52 cDgCorazon wrote: You mean the part where you go 1 analysis 2 analysis 3 analysis and so on? Yeah thats me at the bottom with the numbers, the rest is mocstas case that you had already responded to. Just trying to see why you didnt know they were the exact same points already brought up against you and that you responded to. | ||
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On November 26 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote: Well I wrote that post you quoted because I thought it was a case on me. If you were reading you would've seen that I realized that. Trust me Im reading very close. You wont like what I found since I will prove you are scum, since its 4am Im going to give you the big things now, and do a full case like mocsta where I dont cherrypick and show all your scummyness tomorrow, but since I am now right onto the real scumteam I might be shot tonight. Preview + Show Spoiler + Mocsta, cDgCorazon, rean/alakaslam | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:01 cDgCorazon wrote: Because the BBCode was so bad I didn't know what was yours and what was Mocsta's. You're not going anywhere with this. Its not that important just you answered the same exact worded questions already, just shows you arent actually reading the thread. but in your filter you never link the case and give a bad defense, I dont think that case was real as alot of the points were bad, and so early in day one, also mocsta never followed it up. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote: When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town. I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game. That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them. Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one? | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:17 Alakaslam wrote: Onegu, Your case turned me off after two things. 1: you double quoted a long Mocsta post 2: you attack Mocsta for both attacking my slot and defending it. What would be the townie reaction? It would be great for such a long case to distract a replace as scum, otherwise, are you certain there is no summary? Did you read it all? Ill link you to the tl;dr it might be hard to follow but the points are good. Like mocsta defending jamp to rayn for tunneling on aqua. Then makeing a case on jamp for tunneling aqua. And dont get all up on me for double quoteing when phone posting. | ||
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On November 26 2013 06:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No. Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched. Town has to find reasons that people are scum. Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum. The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum. Why dont you like votes on people? | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote: On Aqua (again): My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me: To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place: It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess. TL;DR Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me This guy is scum I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out. Because this was your next post, and I was trapping you, look at time stamps people 16 minutes after that post about not voteing people, you think this case was meant to lynch Aqua 2 hours 16 minutes into the game? And then I ask him here and he confirms. Baby Seals would be nice. Full case tomorrow. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote: When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town. I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game. That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". November 21 2013 01:00 On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote: On Aqua (again): My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me: To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place: It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess. TL;DR Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me This guy is scum I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out. November 21 2013 01:16 Soooo 16minutes apart. | ||
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Plus I truely think he is being such a ass in this game as scum agenda, I cannot believe he is town and acting the way he has been. Anyway sleep now way past my bedtime thats what I get for staying up reading his 14 page filter and tldr every post in my notebook and add my thoughts. Pics postgame, have mocstas also, but coras is bigger. That sounded bad. Ok sleep Baby seals. | ||
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Will make the cora case later today, suggest we go to a 24 hour day though. Yes I dont think I was framed because a cora didnt gave a n1 check and cora is scum. Also since it is mylo scum are setting up a mislynch on HF day 4 because he missed his save. Will respond to mocstas response to my case now. Rean is my least sure read it is basicly connection to mocsta, and cora, but that can only truely be done after cora and mocstas flips. If you are a vigi and somehow not shot yet this is mylo. My mislynch and a scum nightkill is gg. You have to shoot cora, dont shoot into the lurkers shoot the person who claimed a red check on the person who knew was going to make a case on him day 3. And most likely caught the scum team. Read my case yes it might be long but read it and read coras filter for yourself then shoot cora or its gg. Also the cora thing last night was a mistake, I wasnt lieing like he claims but for some reason I thought he was saying its only 2 hours into the game Im not going to make a vote, it was 2 hours into a game, thats what staying up late to filter dive does I guess. But I still stand on the bolded part I made no way that comes from a town PoV. But really that is only a small mistake and my case is really legit. Alot of the stuff he posts cannot come from a town PoV like that bolded part.. Anyway I will say gg to scum, but really because I had irl stuff day 1 and need to learn to post my cases better, scum won. + Show Spoiler + If I am correct of course, if not correct in at least cora and mocsta then really well played scum. I really think I am correct as I put alot of effort into this game from behind the scenes as you will see post game when I show pics of my note book. | ||
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On November 26 2013 13:49 cDgCorazon wrote: Also, the fact that Mocsta is still alive basically means HF/Onegu are scum. Scenarios: HF/Onegu are town, scum would kill Mocsta to have us mislynch one of them HF/Onegu are town, scum would not kill Mocsta would be a bad play b/c Mocsta is a great analysis player and has no pressure from anyone outside of HF/Onegu HF/Onegu are scum, they kill Mocsta and expose themselves as scum because they've tunneled a townie the whole game and are out of reads HF/Onegu are scum, they let Mocsta live so they can continue to tunnel him and fake activity/scumhunting It's the last one. HF/Onegu have put all of their eggs in the Mocsta basket and forces them to keep him alive @Alakaslam: You seem to understand Chezinu's dialect of English- is there anything magical that he has said that looks townie to you? Or Onegu/HF town, Mocsta scum, which is the case. | ||
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On November 26 2013 12:51 Mocsta wrote: So it's 5-3 and MYLO Cora fake claim could be an awesome start to finish off the game but I prefer his play as town. And the sudden change on sciberbia does seem hard to fake. I much prefer hf giving up and deciding to copy the blszinghand fake doc claim strat. This buys them another cycle and possibly gets a mislynch. Fact. Holyflare has nothing nothing all game. Corazon has been present all cycles. Yes scum is Hf, onegu, chezinu He cant help himself. Yes I know its conjecture, but its really how I feel atm. | ||
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On November 26 2013 09:20 Mocsta wrote: Reading the TL;DR you posted to Cora, heres some commentary (1) Aside from the slur about a real case; what has jumping reads got to do with being scum? All this is, is identifying poor play and not attributing any effort to divine motive. Several have expressed doubts on jampi based on the limited post count. What is your point? Again, you identify me constantly evaluating information and changing my position - yet you make no effort to explain why this is scummy. Again, why is this scummy. These are purely events that are in my filter. I dont see what the point is here either. Mocsta did "this"; Mocsta did "that".. but none of what is here is why its scummy, or even what agenda I pushed... if he is asserting that I tried to save a scum Bereft.. well thats an association read at best, thus conjecture... and scum feigning contributions at worst. I disagree. I thougth Rayn was scum at the start of the martyring and over the course of lynch downgraded to a policy lynch. This is clear when I ask if he has been mislynched before. Instead of taking the olive branch, he spat it in my face and wanted to be lynched In short: Onegu case is very useless and doesnt state a single reason why I am scummy. One thing that is concerning is his mention of my swap on jampi. Why is this an issue? Does he know what jampi is going to flip - thus making me look bad for calling him town at one point? Point 1, it not bad play its wanting to look active with a 17 page filter but not actually doing anything or trying to actually find scum and convince people you found scum. Point 2, I asked you then why you thought it was best to lynch a lurker, and you said that wasnt your reason, you said your reason was for his tunnel on aqua But earlier Rayn voted jamp and said he was scum because of his tunnel on aqua, you then responded to rayn saying you played with jamp and his town meta was to tunnel like that. So you defend him from rayn, while you vote him for the same thing. Point 3, not really that scummy bit being a hypocrite, amd that is somewhat scummy Point 4, maybe, but also its you just messing with the thread, but THE REAL SCUMMY PART is then you say if I am wrong about bereft it isnt malcious, to Im wrong about bereft I am scum. You contridict yourself and basicly misrepresent me as I wasnt wrong. Point 5, the point is you downgraded it very close to deadline, or even after the deadline, you arent clear as to it being a policy lynch close to deadline as you keep bringing up scum points on him. And the last thing, Im not saying I know jamp is flipping town, What is concerning is your reason for your flip on jamp because it is the same reason you defended him earlier as the reason you attacked him later. | ||
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On November 26 2013 15:03 Mocsta wrote: Onegu. Why is being a hypocrite scummy? Nothing of what you write is conclusive towards pushing a scum agenda. We were semi masoned in GoT. I know you are better than this. If you are talking about Jampi it because there is no way you can believe your case after you defended him, and attacked him for the same reason. If you are talking about the scum slip thing then yeah on its own its not scummy but still something I felt added to the case and needed to be said when you put it on top of everything else. Also I have now learned to preview when I quote you because it is your bbccode mess ups not mine that people blame me for, I had to fix one of your errors before I posted the response to your response to my tldr. | ||
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On November 26 2013 15:07 Mocsta wrote: Btw onegu If you are town, and Cora is thus scum... You are going to have to drop the tunnel on me. I am clearly town. I domt see it mocsta, you keep saying it but that doesnt make it true. I dont see how it is possible for you to believe your caseon jampi when you defended him for the same reason you attacked him. Also I dont see cora and 2 inactives leading town around by the nose basicly by himself, if he did more power to him, but I just dont see it, also I know it is dumb to do preflip connections but there are really to many to passup. Basicly if there was a vig shot on you or cora last night and you flipped red I would nail the other one with connections on top of scummy play. This is also how I have rean in my scumteam. | ||
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Also I dont pretend to be able to read slam, so he would be my last lynch. My lynch order would go like this, cora, mocsta, rean. And that is also my confidence order in scum. Cora is number one for the cop claim. Also why claim before deadline he was checking me so scum could frame me? Also think cop claims pre deadline he was checking me, I am scum why dont scum team change nk to him and kill cop instead of just letting him give a red check on me? | ||
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On November 26 2013 15:21 Mocsta wrote: 1. Co firmed town aqua already agreed with my position on jampi. So get used to that stance flipflop being null. 2. I don't even understand your point regarding Corazon. This reads as an ad hom. 3. Share with me these connection flips 4. So the only way rean is in your scum team is if cora and I were vigged, and on top of that flipped red. Lol. So are you suggesting a vig has been rb fir two successive nights? Aqua never read all my case it was to convoluted to him, plus like I said about aqua is true, he doesnt think town onegu can find scum so no point in reading me. Also who cares if a confirmed townie agreed with you, happens all the time My point on cora is I am town cora lied about being cop, and I dont see cora with two lurkers leading town on a merry chase by himself, not a point against him or you just my thoughts. You want me to post the parts that connect you and him, I will in the case later, I will put in a spoiler why I really think you are connected, in a spoiler because it has nothing to do with why each of you are scum on your own. And yes, PoE, connections if you both flipped red, and my gut. | ||
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On November 26 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote: Wait a sec. Why did you feel the need to add more? That directly suggests you are creating a novel. You sold this case as a post by post analysis, so why break out of this pattern to strengthen a point?? Im not, all of that I posted makes you scum, this is one of the strongest points though. I believe all of my case points to you being scum. But this point is the nail imo. | ||
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On November 26 2013 15:36 Mocsta wrote: Why is holyflare off this list. He buses as scum. Why can't he be riding your cases to earn town cred. Why is his dubious timing if the doc claim ignored. Why so double standard? Why are you writing novels? True HF busses, He didnt just ride my cases he has added points, And now we are in mylo I am trying to give the scum team now as I will be lynched today. As I said rean would be the last person I voted, also as I said earlier if we get down to only one scum left and HF the claimed doctor is still alive then he really should be looked at, until there is only one scum left I read town on HF. If there is only one scum left and it is mylo or lylo and they left the claimed doctor alive until only one scum left the I could see him being scum. But only at that point, unless that happens my read goes to rean. | ||
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On November 26 2013 15:39 Mocsta wrote: Your strongest point is that I called out a scumslip in the first hour of the day? Is this what you want me to take at face value? No my strongest point was the jamp thing. | ||
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On November 26 2013 15:52 Mocsta wrote: Lol.. that doesn't answer the question at all. Why do you treat holyflare town for dubious claim timing, and treat Corazon opposite for the same dubious timing. In your case against me you think I do this to jampi, and this are scummy. So tables are turned.. why onegu? Further the above doesn't explain why holy is town, if anything it sounds lime he is town by Poe. No I didnt say HF is town because of his claim timeing, I think its null, but I point out coras for 2 reasons, 1 a cop check can be messed with via framer, and 2 if I was scum and he was going to cop check me and I knew I would flip red why not kill him, he has been just as active if not more active than thrawn and aqua, why not the claimed blue who was going to have a red check on me. Look I gave my scumteam, if somehow we get to lylo with one scum alive and the claimed doctor is still alive at that point yes he becomes scummy, until that happens I have a town read on him. | ||
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On November 26 2013 15:59 Alakaslam wrote: Dude yeah it's a closed setup. With cop and doctor, (again why doctor didn't die is more WIFOM -_-) millers are easily possible. But yeah, it's pretty strong indication... Onegu are you against me voting you or are you exasperated? Maybe skimming isn't the best thing let me really read stuff Im exasperated, my own fault I cant convey my thoughts clearly, and I look scummy but I do in every town game I play, kinda why I joined a bootcamp game to get feedback, and then a red check on me I expect it to be believed. But then coupled with what I will say on cora later in my case and my green flip, if we dont get endgame with my flip I really still believe we can pull this out if town gets to day 4. Because it will be obvious cora is scum. Then I will spoiler the connections cora has with mocsta so you can add that to my case on mocsta, and when I flip please, please, please read it give it a chance and see where I am comeing from. If you actully read it and disagree with it fine but read it that is really all I ask. Of course this is assumeing we dont get endgame post. | ||
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On November 26 2013 16:03 Mocsta wrote: why not kill him?? Notice that you.. chezinu.. holy were not posting in the thread at cycle end. It's equally wifom to state you did not see the claim lol... Stop with the Strawman arguments and start playing the game. Ok fine we can say thats wifom, and not a point against him if you want, for now. Although the why claim cop before deadline because it can be fucked with still stands. | ||
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On November 26 2013 16:16 Alakaslam wrote: Dude Cora is so town. anyone questioning that is seeing the world differently from me. Just conjecture, but lets say I flip town what then? | ||
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On November 26 2013 16:30 Alakaslam wrote: K Onegu what you are doing I have seen before. And some sage put it to rest. Here, I will paraphrase as it is a game in progress. Your options are, if you are town: 1: push your own lynch, then have your confirmed reads given after another round of night kills with no certainty that you are right (unless it's that good; in which case) 2: give the reads+reasons now, and if they are really really good, people may listen now and not lynch you and possibly hit scum (because this list assumes you aren't, so it's a "duh" higher chance) and if they aren't, people will discuss them and maybe figure something out from the discussion 3: focus on defending, which may or may not work and leaves town with nothing after your flip. Note, since 2 is the best option, I will have 4 be it's corruption: 4: you can give hostile reads and Rayne yourself, and even if your reads are good then because you didn't give them in a level headed manner nobody reads them even if you flip green or blue. Of course if you are scum it doesn't matter and your team should just bus you now. I will do two, and have been. Will give a cora case before lynch. I cannot do three because I know my town play doesnt look good and I wasnt active day one due to irl reasons, so I wont defend myself from a red check, I have addressed coras case on me and showed why it is incorrect. About Jamps case I have to do some fact checking because iirc at the time when jamp said that he agreed I thought he was talking about someone elses point on aqua not thrawn. But I will also show cora does the same thing you are calling out jamp though. 2 times cora gives merit to a case but doesnt think it is a good time. Also the held back part he isnt talking about aqua. He is talking out cora and scib. And then talking about consolidateing if he has to, he never takes back his read. Then he gives rayn a town read but votes his scum read in aqua. Help me with your thought process when I get back, Ill post my thoughts and concerns and you let me know in a bit. Ill be back in a bit. | ||
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On November 26 2013 16:51 Mocsta wrote: The held back is rean talking about sciberbia. Lol.. And no one ever called you scummy for being afk. Really need me to quote cora, he says I was inactive and the when called out suddenly become active. | ||
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On November 26 2013 17:06 Onegu wrote: Really need me to quote cora, he says I was inactive and the when called out suddenly become active. And am scummy for it. | ||
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Why leave that part out then make him look bad for changeing his read. And he only says he will consoildate on rean then next post says aqua is still scum. Not sure what you were going for. Here is the whole post On November 20 2013 17:42 jampidampi wrote: Yes I have read the thread once for a sense of game flow. Rereading now with actual thought. Aquas case has some merit to it if Reans reasons for thinking Sciberbia was "held back" are not good. If Rean had good reasons to think Scib was "held back" then it kinda falls apart. Mocsta is cutting portions out to suit his needs. | ||
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On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote: LOl.. so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now? Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL... Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip. You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua. | ||
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THIS IS MYLO THE PLAYER LIST IS AS FOLLOWS 2 REAN/ALAKASLAM 4 cDgCorazon 5 Befeft 7 Mocsta 9 Onegu 10 Lonemeow/ Holyflare 11 Sciberia 12 Jamp/ Chezniu THIS LEAVES US WITH 8 LEFT! 5TOWN 3SCUM LYNCH TODAY 4-3 NK 3-3 TOWN LOSS Scib since we are in mylo it is fine for cora to plan a fake claim N1 another mislynch like what happened and we are in mylo if both n2 kills go off. | ||
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Also everyone except chezniu has weighed in on me ant it is currently 6-1-1 votes on me, on cora, note voted. Can we please vote 24 hour day? ##VOTE cDgCorazon ##VOTE 24 HOUR DAY | ||
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On November 26 2013 20:18 sciberbia wrote: Well if you flipped miller that would be tragic and I'd still think Cora is cop. If you flip town then Cora is obviously somewhat suspect. Probably one of him/Mocsta/Bereft would have to be scum. Either cop claim is fake or Mocsta/Bereft framed you. Most likely because of math would be a fake cop claim. So yea if you flip town then I guess Cora is probably scum. But I doubt it. This whole martyring thing is pretty dumb and just makes me feel more sure about you being scum tbh. Do you really think you are going to win with town by dying but convincing someone to shoot Cora? It doesn't make any sense. If we DO have a vig then he has been roleblocked twice in a row. It wouldn't take a genius scumteam to roleblock the same person again. And either a) HF is town and gets shot, ending the game, or more likely b) HF is scum, so we have no medic, and scum have their pick of game-ending NK Im not martyring, I just asked GMarshal if I am allowed to do something that might save me actually. The problem is I know my town play looks scummy Im working on it, I have been mislynched in every town game I have been in. | ||
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On November 26 2013 20:33 Mocsta wrote: Funny how hf now starts posting. Anyways once onegu is lynched. I hope hf and chez concede. I'm bored.... I was willing to entertain one of onegu/hf being town, but they are both. Tag teaming the same arguments too hard. It really feels us vs them. Gg. It is. Town vs Scum and you are scum we are town. But serious, I would lynch cora first, then mocsta and if it is 2-1 with HF there I would vote him as I dont see scum letting him live in lylo to let him make a save and make it mylo again with him confirmed town. And yes they could bus him as a almost guarentee to a win, but I wouldnt lynch him before that point. But I really doubt that would happen as I have a strong town read on him. Anyway finishing cora case and post it tonight. Im going to feel like shit if I flip miller, but I am 99.999999999% sure cora is fake claiming. | ||
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On November 26 2013 22:43 Mocsta wrote: I don't care what your alignment is. stuff like this needs to go on the rules list, if its not there already. this is disgusting abuse of host manipulayuion which we have no means of knowing is true. completely poor sportsmanship if scum, completely. Ill tell you wht it is I asked him if I could take pics of my notes let people see my effort and thoughts and let them thin if I am still scum. | ||
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On November 26 2013 22:43 Mocsta wrote: I don't care what your alignment is. stuff like this needs to go on the rules list, if its not there already. this is disgusting abuse of host manipulayuion which we have no means of knowing is true. completely poor sportsmanship if scum, completely. And Im town. | ||
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On November 25 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote: While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend. In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either: a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights or b)be lynched due to his behavior A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them. I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now. Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching? What points did you agree with, what part was great? | ||
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On November 26 2013 23:59 Bereft wrote: I was entertaining the idea that onegu was framed or a miller, but the way onegu and HF are reacting makes me feel pretty good that they are scum together. however I do have some lingering paranoia - would you guys be willing to humor me and vote HF out first? there's a tiny chance onegu was framed or is a miller, but about a 0% chance HF is actually a doctor. Why not possible cora is lieing and isnt Cop? Why only frame or miller. We are in mylo. | ||
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Just going to give a link to the gallery there are 28 pics some are of the same page twice but not many sorry. Takeing a few minutes to upload because shitty internet. Also I really am working on my cora case and trying to format it well so it is readable. | ||
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Basicly these are tl;dr of their filters with my own notes added in so I can do quick checks. | ||
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On November 27 2013 14:21 Mocsta wrote: Im still making up my mind. Your fake claim has lots of issues if I am to believe u were that confirmation biased to do it. Even worse, if holy really is town the game is lost already because I'm not scum. So I'm very stuck with how to move forward. The issues I have with your fake claim is you claimed BEFOrE the nks. If you were and flipped green, why would we lynch onegu on your word?? Thread sentiment already shifted onto a default onegu lynch. What you did has zero value as town... As scum there is massive value I have to believe that you are that pig headed that you would do a fake claim with zero benefit to town to accept this at face value... I mean fuck. In Hogwarts as town I fake counter claimed to lynch a doctor.. but in my opinion this is even worse than that play. I'm almost considering voting off chezinu as safest vote. I'm really undecided between holy/Cora. You wanna know why that claim was ok and this one isnt. Its MYLO in this game. Kill cora please. Also I am feeling better about you but not much as I feel this could all be wifom when you saw my lynch might not go through. | ||
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On November 27 2013 19:48 sciberbia wrote: Proper town play is irrelevant. Cora isn't trying to win.. he's just trying to piss us off or something idk Post game | ||
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On November 27 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote: Yeah. Same conclusion scib. Cept I don't see chezinu being blue. Well it's 5 to vote. So unless Corazon votes with us, it's gg Hence why I would consider voting onegu if Corazon is going to throw this game away out of spite. All hammer anyone so we arent just in a worse case than we already are if cora isnt being lynched when Im about to go to sleep Ill vote whoever has the most votes at the time. | ||
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On November 26 2013 09:43 cDgCorazon wrote: Ok, can I explain why Onegu's interaction with me was a full on scumclaim? Unlike others, I'm not talking about the writing style or the words used, I'm talking about the facts presented in his posts. First of all: This is the first example of him fabricating evidence. He mentions multiple times how I said that I did not like cases within the first two hours of the game. This is 100% lie. I clearly stated that I only did not like votes 2 hours into the game. I said absolutely nothing about cases in that post. Why does he come to the conclusion that I don't like cases either? He is trying to turn the facts against me to form a case against me. This is a super scummy thing to do. Then, he changes his attack to "Corazon does not like votes at all". Pretty much self-explanatory here. Why does he change his point of attack? He knows that I caught him lying so he tries to change his interpretation on the fly and continue to pressure me. This isn't a scum-hunting technique, this is a technique where he is desperate to find something scummy about me so he cuts all of the lies out until he can find something scummy. Lastly, he decides to continue to spring his "trap" even though it's pretty obvious his bait is completely phony. His version of the story: I make the post about not wanting to vote two hours into the game at exactly two hours into the game. Then I make the vote on Aqua 16 minutes later (which means that I would have contradicted myself in 2 straight posts). What actually is the truth: I made the post about not wanting to vote two hours into the game 11 hours into the game. I then vote Aqua 11 hours and 16 minutes. The proof for this is in the thread. I showed him the timestamp for the beginning of the game and I compared it to the post that he quoted. 11 hours and 16 minutes. What does Onegu then do? He knows he is caught in a really bad situation, so he just pretends that I never completely stomped his case and peaces out. How is that anything close to a townie response? Onegu needs to be the lynch tomorrow. He told three lies in a 15 minute span and if you let him survive past D3 then this town deserves to lose. Look where he underlines case 3 times and the look what I wrote and what he wrote. The first time he says Im not going to make a case on someone and vote them so people dont read the case and only look at it when they are looking at me for scum. The second one I am talking about cora being worried people are going to make a case on him. Third I should have used vote. But I want lieing I was excited I caught a scum cora. Go look at my notes I have a star next to the part about him makeing that post and 16 minutes later voteing. And I only looked at the timestamps of those two posts because they were at the top of one of his filter pages. And I planned on trapping him the entire time, I never change my story. | ||
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On November 27 2013 20:38 Mocsta wrote: And thats why you are scummy in a nutshell. Lol I was actually attempt to catchig scum, not fake claiming cop to force people to vote how I want. | ||
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Cora does multiple things that are anti-town or can in no way come from a towns point of view. First Cora refuses to help people understand what he is saying or refuses to answer questions. This is so anti town, and doesnt let people find out about his mindset or prove himself. It also wastes time all are scum motivated. If he only did it once or twice it is somewhat understandable but I will show you he does it multiple times. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote: JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again. But Onegu wasnt JJD asking the same questions over and over again, JJD didn't understand coras answer and was trying to understand better, cora refuses to help him and shits all over him in the process. Here is the entire exchange so you can see what I am talking about + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 01:25 cDgCorazon wrote: Because JJD is wrong? The first post (about "rocking the boat") said that sciberia is either new to this game or him "rocking the boat" is scummy. Is it not obvious to you that this isn't sciberia's first game? I said he was good at this game and that I thought he was making a calculated play with "rocking the boat". First Mocsta brings it up back up after JJD had talked about it earlier. Then JJD explains what he means clearer and asks cora a question. On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote: JJD please stop and read my filter. This post was MY FIRST REAL POST IN THE GAME. The post about making a calculated scum play was after that. Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post. JJD you are being fucking annoying as hell. If I was Mocsta I would vote you for not reading. Cora actually explains what he is talking about here but JJD sees where cora had talked a bit about how cora tells scib to stop looking at the first page. Also look how cora is a ass here to JJD when JJD is just trying to understand cora better. On November 21 2013 02:03 cDgCorazon wrote: EBWOP: Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting... JJD why are you grasping at straws? To me, it looks like you want to make a case on me but the focal point is "Cora changed his read on sci for no reason" and you are trying to fish favorable answers out of me because you know you can't twist my words any more than you are currently. Off to school. For realsies. JjD explains what he is trying to understand here and cora flames him for it. And says he isnt going to answer because JJD is trying to twist his words. On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote: JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again. Notice JJD had just explained what he was trying to figure out and cora doesnt answer. On November 21 2013 06:04 cDgCorazon wrote: I've explained my thinking behind those posts already. So no. Again not going to answer, why not at this point does he think JJD is just going to stop questioning him? Why not answer again so JJD can have what he wants and move on? On November 21 2013 06:24 cDgCorazon wrote: Sorry when you said my filter I thought you meant that I read the whole filter. Read more plz Still no answer, still no help. He finally gives JJD some of what he was looking for, he still never answered when he got the scum read exactly. And when cora does this JJD moves on. Why couldnt he do this in the first place. He doesnt want to help town to understand his thinking and waste time On November 21 2013 06:40 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah it better be ok because it's the last I'm answering about it. You're not reading my filter...I made several posts about where I talk about why I was suspicious of Sci. The end. Then flames him at the end. On November 24 2013 08:37 cDgCorazon wrote: And give you a chance to find a phantom "scum slip"? No Here he was haveing a meltdown,and asked a serious question about scibs and my interactions. And look at his reason, this doesnt come from the mindset of town. Town give the answer and if someone calls them out on it then they explain their thinking. On November 27 2013 14:10 cDgCorazon wrote: Well too bad Mocsta, you're not getting an explanation. Boo Hoo Most recent. He doesnt want to give people reads on him and flames them Second Cora makes mutiple posts that cannot come from a town minset. Talking about why he doesnt want to do things because it will make him look scummy. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote: When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town. I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game. That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one". Look at the bolded part. He doesnt want people useing it against him. Votes are a tool. They make statements. Cora says later they dont add pressure, he is wrong it shows people you are serious. Core doesnt use early votes because he doesnt want them used against him. This does not come from the PoV of a townie. Townies are interested in finding scum, pressureing scum and lynching scum, not being afraid someone is going to use it against him. On November 24 2013 07:28 cDgCorazon wrote: To be honest I don't really care about what I said. People are going to find a way to twist it to look scummy. I don't like a post from JJD but I don't think he's scum but I do think he's scum but I'm not going to vote for him and now I'm just rambling on and shitting up the thread and I don't really care and I don't really care and this person is scummy and this is what is going on in my head and i think im so important that i should share every thought i have and i can wish-wash and call people scummy yet not think they are scum and not vote for them and basically waste our time with useless bullshit and tire me out because i just want to play but i get called scum every-other post that i make and scum try to pick on me andandnandandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandnandnandnandnandandn Look I understand getting fustrated it happens. But again look at this post every tries to wist what he says to make him look scummy, thats just not true, he never accepts the fact that he actully looks scummy. I see this from scum all the time, they cannot believe people find them scummy. But this post is 100% wrong. Alot of the people he is angry at, Thrawn, JJD, Auqa have flipped town. People have found me scummy all game, I always answer questions and try to show Im not scum, I can understand why people find me scummy and I show them why that is wrong. For the most part people dont twist my words either. Cora is scum and thinks everyone is out to get him. On November 24 2013 09:03 cDgCorazon wrote: For every 1 good post you write about me, you write 5 of these... Do you understand why I am frustrated with you? If you want me to cooperate, I'm going to make a request from you. You have to not call me "scummy" unless you make a case that encompasses my play the entire game and accompany said case with a vote. I don't want anything else from you about your read on me, even if others ask you for your opinion on me. Is that clear? There is no way this post comes from town. He is saying dont mention me, dont talk about me unless it is a case, and not just any case a case encompassing the entire game and a vote. He wants to shut down all talk of himself. YES I SAID I WAS GOING TO STOP RESPONDING TO CORA AND MOCSTA ALSO. But I want you to see the difference. Mocsta at this point was asking him a question about Aqus and sciberia. I was getting onegu is scum for this reason, and I would respond to that reason and get flamed and called scum again. Also when asked a question I would always answer it. Also and here nobody was saying cora was scum, just saying he was scummy for this reason or that. Cora didnt respond to those point either. On November 24 2013 09:05 cDgCorazon wrote: I wish that would work but I get all of these bullshit "Cora is scummy but not scum" posts when I'm not around. On November 24 2013 09:07 cDgCorazon wrote: No, I want a promise from you to fulfill my request. Nothing less. On November 24 2013 09:11 cDgCorazon wrote: Congratz, then you get unhappy and uncooperative Corazon. Enjoy. Look what we get. On November 24 2013 08:32 cDgCorazon wrote: IF YOU HAVE A NULL READ ON ME I DONT WANT ANY CASE ON ME FROM YOU. YOU DONT MAKE "NULL CASES" Dont make null cases, why I want to get other peoples thoughts on someone I cant get a good read and talk about my thoughts. Cora doesnt want people to talk about him because cora is scum and has something to hide. On November 27 2013 12:56 cDgCorazon wrote: I don't give a shit about anyone else's arguments because no one gives a shit about mine. Now I have the power and you all are trying in vain to get me to listen to you. Do you understand that me listening to you was what got us into this mess? Rayn was a bad lynch and I only voted for JJD for consolidation. I'm done listening to anyone else because no one ever started listening to me. It's either Onegu or no-lynch. Your choice. I dont care about anyone else or what they have to say becauae nobody cares what I say. Every game I have played nobody has listened to me it part of the game, but as town I have to catch scum, I put out my ideas, I reenforce them and keep comeing back to them until eventually people look. But while I am doing that I still habe to find other scum. There are currently 3 scum in this game not 1. Cora doesnt want to look at anyone else. I understand fustration. It is 4 am right now, and I will be up most likely another 2.5 hours with my bad internet to complete it then up at 10am to get my handicapped son ready for his medicine, and most likely no one will give this case much thougt even though I am positive cora is scum. But thay doesnt mean I am not reading what people say. Or constantly bitching about out it. Third Cora make a toxic town enviroment that promotes lurking and basic not careing because they dont want to get flamed. I will point out only the extreame stuff there is much more though. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote: JJD please stop and read my filter. This post was MY FIRST REAL POST IN THE GAME. The post about making a calculated scum play was after that. Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post. JJD you are being fucking annoying as hell. If I was Mocsta I would vote you for not reading. On November 22 2013 11:57 cDgCorazon wrote: OMG RAYN IM STICKING MY NECK OUT FOR YOU AND YOU ARE GONNA MARTYR FUCK YOU MAN JUST FUCK YOU On November 23 2013 13:56 cDgCorazon wrote: Also Mocsta, I'm tired of you picking on me. You've been waffling on your read about me. Either make the fucking case or hold your tongue. On November 24 2013 00:36 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm sick of this shit. My play has been nitpicked more than anyone else's the entire game and it has gone nowhere. Why does everyone think that they are required to post every single thought of theirs? That is how threads get to be 200 pages long. I'm done. I'm absolutely done. From now on, I'm just going to vote everyone who nitpicks my posts for no reason. Fuck you guys. ##unvote ##Vote: JarJarDrinks On November 27 2013 13:09 cDgCorazon wrote: Man fuck you guys. I can't even fake-claim Investigator to get you guys to lynch my read. What do I have to do? Hack into Gmarshal's computer to find Onegu's role pm and post it in the thread? You guys are so ridiculous. You get my point and there is much more than this, it gets old and boreing. Fourth its never his fault, or he is always right. Or he is the victim. Maybe this isnt really scummy. Some of it is like I cant believe people find me scummy when I have been right screams a scum mindset. This also kinda ties in with point 3. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 00:44 cDgCorazon wrote: Alright I'm going to respond to the general criticism on me, the brunt of it being in Mocsta's case and then everyone else just rewording it. First of all, most of Mocsta's filter analysis on me said that I had problems reading and that I was scummy. It's really shit casework from Mocsta because he's played multiple times with me and should know that I had a reading problem in general, whether I'm town or scum. The rest of his case is his confirmation bias and calling sciberia my scummate. Lol. I'm really surprised and disappointed that I got all the flak for the conversation between sciberia and I. In my opinion his actions were way more scummy and non-conclusive then mine and I believe that it is really hypocritical of everyone to attack me and simply ignore him. On Aqua: I really agree with a lot of the points raised up against him. What troubles me the most is that he basically attacked Ream for sticking up for me and starting attacking Ream when it looked like my lynch wasn't going to go down. It felt like he was trying too hard to keep the lynch on me and that is what troubles me. On others: I'm going to reread the thread but I already do not like the fact that sciberia and LoneMeow insist on keeping the conversation on me when the talk is about Aquanim. It's just making the town less focused and less able to discuss a good lynch candidate if they continue to ramble on about me. In my opinion, the first 24 hours should be allowed to free-flow and not have focused discussion (on one person) and the last 24 should be focus on the 2-3 wagons that pop up. I'm going to reread Aqua and then reread the rest of the thread (pgs 10-13). He bolded the relevant part for me. He cannot believe that I look more scummy than him, when he has been trying to make himself more townie looking. On November 25 2013 12:05 cDgCorazon wrote: How many town flips does it take for people to listen to what i have to say? On November 25 2013 16:14 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn: First of all, you've seen what happens when my opinion isn't taken seriously: Rayn flipped town when he was obviously town JJD flipped town when Onegu was the better lynch Why do you think I'm going to claim that no one listens to me? If people had thought about my opinion for two seconds, Rayn might still be around (that is debatable, I'll admit) and Onegu would be lynched and he would probably be more likely to roll scum. This happens in a lot of my games and forces reactions after seeing yet another VT flip due to the town not listening and not reading my arguments (at least without me pushing them). Second of all, you took the post from me and didn't add any context. I wrote it after I had received the 20th post this game that was formatted exactly like this: Before you go on and simply call me a bully, you need to look at others and you need to understand how bullies are made. Bullies aren't made because they think they are better than everyone else, they are made because they are being bullied by someone else, and they feel like they need to pick on others. Well here is the cycle. I get picked on for no reason and for no purpose to the thread other than talking about how scummy I am with absolutely no intention to vote for me. Why does anyone do this? It makes no sense to make these sort of comments without pushing any agenda. It serves one purpose: to irritate and annoy me and throw me off of my game. You (and many others both in this game and on this forum) need to understand that bullying is a cycle, and is rarely a straight line. Back to game matters. I never told you to be a town leader and I never said I was a town leader during D2. I was only town leader due to being the only one active for the entire cycle. I called on you to be more active and while you did step up your game a little bit, it's not enough to help in the scum hunt. I voted for you not just to pick on you, I voted to get you in the thread. My vote for you could've been on JJD or Bereft or Aqua. It was just random choice that I threw it on you (I'd also like to point out that you randomly tried to start a lynch train on me D1, or have you forgotten already?)/ You're not on my train because you aren't active enough. You're doing better than D1 (which is why I don't want you lynched D3) but not enough to be considered for my proposed town circle. Do you understand how frustrated me/Moc/Aqua are about the lack of activity this game? It allows at least 5 people to lurk without fear. There aren't 5 scum in the game. It's just detrimental to have this much lurking in a game, and it's hurting us in the long run. Sorry for the long train of thought but that's what I want to say. Im right no one listens to me and look what happens. People have called me scum for shit reasons so I need somepeople to shit on. There is more but it is 5am and I want to get all my points in. The next portion is corazon manipulates people to attempt to get what he want, and also contridicts himself often. This portion also contains admissions of scummy play by cora. Also I am tired now and am going to rush this sorry if its not formatted great. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote: On Aqua (again): My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me: To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place: It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess. TL;DR Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me This guy is scum I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out. First he votes Aqua for changeing his read on cora, and his attack of rean. Aqua responds and cora responds back with this. On November 21 2013 08:40 cDgCorazon wrote: To be honest Aqua you say that there was "new information" on me which prompted you to change your vote but I think that claim is all smoke and mirrors. You wanted town to waste time arguing about me and not have anyone notice your lack of in-depth analysis and definite reads on anyone in the game. When Rean asked for it, you started attacking him and never answered his request directly even though multiple people thought it was a fair request. Sure Rean has contradicted himself a few times and the accusations against him are true, I don't think they warrant a full-on case on him and I don't think that he should be lynched for it. You seem to be all about looking like you are scum hunting and jumping on the right wagons and the timing of your changes of reads seem to indicate you are just trying to play for survival, which is what scum like to do. I can't wait to see your observations of the last ten pages or so and to hear you try to change the lynch subject yet again. First there was new info at the time. Multiple people had made cases on cora and gave thoughts, aqua agreed with thier arguememts . Second he agrees with Aqua that rean looks bad and contridicts himself. He says its not bad enough to have a vote on rean, but doesnt this change half of coras case on aqua. Sure he may not agree with the first point but it does the second. But cora still finds aqua scummy. But Cora never pushes his lynch again. Half his case is gone when he agrees with him, but aqua is still scummy. On November 21 2013 08:58 cDgCorazon wrote: I already justified why I didn't vote for sci. My claim is that you jumped on my wagon to give the impression you are scum hunting when you aren't. Look at the timings of the votes and that is proof right there. I'll accept your answer on responding to Rean. Because Rean has been open about his ideas and he is trying to solve the game. He's done more than simply piggyback on people and kick them while they are down. I just don't get a scummy vibe from Rean. Aqua then responds back and cora posts this, he accepts his answers on rean. Basicly he just says he doesnt find rean scummy. Coras case had 2points, one is completely gone now. Wouldnt this warrent an unvote? But between this and coras case on him cora doesnt push his lynch, it wasnt a real case. On November 21 2013 12:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Hey guys. I'm just chiming in to say that none of this has changed my reads at all. I'm still down for either an Aqua or Onegu lynch. I would be also down for a LoneMeow/Bereft lynch if we are lynching based on contribution. Everyone else I'm either town on or not confident enough to see hang today. We have <24 hours to go, we should start consolidating. 4 hours later he still wants a aqua lynch. But beteen this post and his unvote, he never again talks about aqua, never pushes his scum read. It wasnt real. On November 21 2013 15:16 cDgCorazon wrote: Cause I'm dumb and don't remember what I say before contradicting myself. Yeah I did that, but its not scummy Im dumb. On November 21 2013 15:16 cDgCorazon wrote: Cause I'm dumb and don't remember what I say before contradicting myself. Im not sure what the underlined part means, does it mean he doesnt read close as either alignment? Can someone tell me if this is true or not. Basicly this is a bad response and calling out mocsta for makeing a case on him. On November 25 2013 01:10 cDgCorazon wrote: First of all Onegu, do you misformat cases on purpose so people just see that you made and case and actually don't read it? This is 3/4 cases that have been misformatted, if I can count right. The fact of the matter is that this case is bad because it's hypocritical, it's partially other's arguments, and it has no teeth (like every single other case you have made). It's hypocritical because you've switched your reads randomly as well (your 180 on Rayn with no explanation). It's partially other's arguments because I heard most of this shit before from other people. It has no teeth because you didn't vote for Mocsta. No one knows who you want lynched and it seems like you never believe in any of your cases. Why are you so hesitant to vote for anyone you make a case on? Do you actually believe that Mocsta/Bereft are scum? If so, why isn't your vote on them? If not, why are you wasting our time with cases and tell us who you want lynched. TBH Mocsta's read switches are a result of his usual play and the fact that he re-evaluates the game very often. Even the point (singular point) you make in this case is very weak. I post the first half of my case with all the points on the second half. It is obvious cora doesnt actually read it. He thinks there is only one point and it is bad and Im being a hypocrite. And all of the other arguements are in there. But this isnt true. All the points from my final case are in there. On November 25 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote: While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend. In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either: a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights or b)be lynched due to his behavior A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them. I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now. Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching? Now it is a great case. If you read it in this post he agrees mocsta is scum and should be voted for, just not today. Also look at the reason he unvotes me, my activity has been much better. This post has to come from scum. He just made a case on me being scum. I responded to his points, he responded back. Now I have a great case and have gotten him to unvote for better activity. Then no more mention of onegu except to link his case on me to slam until this On November 25 2013 09:30 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah I like Onegu lynch more than JJD ##Vote: Onegu Doesnt talk to me or about me since my great post and my recent activity. On November 25 2013 09:34 cDgCorazon wrote: No I was not sure Onegu was going to get lynched so I unvoted him in the first place just in case consolidation elsewhere was necessary. I feel the best about an Onegu lynch and I hope that others agree. but now I lost his vot for him to consolidate, not because of my activity. On November 25 2013 09:50 cDgCorazon wrote: 1)That point was also based around the first post I quoted. 2)He also contradicts himself in his first post as well. 3)His scum-hunting has consisted of calling Mocsta scum for being Mocsta and giving a very weak case on Bereft 4)Only took him 40 or so hours of him talking about how Mocsta was scum WHILE giving a case on bereft. It took so much prodding from me to get him to vote. The case has only been partially invalidated (like 70% of this case is still valid) and the stuff from D1 you talked about should fill in for that and still make him a good lynch choice today. Then a bit later my great case became, onegu just attacking mocsta for being mocsta. On November 25 2013 10:46 cDgCorazon wrote: Fine. Although Onegu just said I "scum slipped" and then says Mocsta is scum for calling out "scum slips", I'll consolidate. ##unvote: ##Vote: JJD Also this post confirms he didnt actually read my great case. As I poimt out mocsta used the words scum slips then called out HF for useing them becomeing a hypocrite. On November 26 2013 11:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm gonna post some final thoughts before the deadline: First of all, I am an investigator and I am checking Onegu tonight. While I'm pretty sure that he is scum, there's no more time to play around and I need to make 100% sure that Onegu is either scum or town. Once we get him out of the way (whether it's from a green check or from lynching him), this game becomes a lot clearer. The evidence points overwhelmingly towards Onegu being scum and I want to get a confirmation of his scumminess so the town can have a clear direction Once Onegu is out of the way, here are the order of people I want to lynch: HF's claim unfounded Chezinu Thrawn To be honest, I really think the scumteam is Onegu/Chezinu/HF but if one of those is disproven, I have to look at my shakiest town read. That happens to be thrawn. I have a lot more faith in my other town reads (Sciberia (I got a green check on him night 1), Aqua, Mocsta, Berift, and Alakaslam, in that order) than I do in my thrawn read. I've talked a little bit about how he is suspicious but once we get that far down the totem pole, I will look more into thrawn. I'm open for questions until the deadline. Now the pre deadline fake cop claim. Basicly if cora wasnt scum he would be shot. This was well before deadline and yes I wasnt around to see it if I was scum(im VT), how likely is it that zero scum didnt see cora was claiming cop. Now if I was scum that would mean 2 others didnt see it, and since Im not scum 3 scum would have had to not see it. Basicly if both me and cora are town, and scum saw him claim to check me I am green you think they chance that? Basicly me or Cora have to be scum. I am VT so Cora has to be scum. Look at this it shows cora has a non town PoV, is purposely toxic to town, lies and contridicts himself. Cora is scum. It is 6am with bad internet I have been working on this since 1am. There is more and if we get another day I will add to this but I am exausted and cannot see straight anymore. Hope this was formatted better and would like postgame comments on how to format better. | ||
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HF if you are town claiming vet is terrible. Bereft if you are town counterclaiming vet is terrible. HF you claimed medic, if you are town and I was lynched today, you would have been shot because you claimed medic and if you are vet that would have let the game continue, gratz terrible claim Bereft if I was lynched today, you could have been shot as you are unlikely to draw protection if there is a actual medic. Also if there are no investigative roles it is possible we have 2 vets, I underatand you dont think there three power roles, but in my first newbie 12 players 3 town power roles it is possible, and even if you thought that cora took his claim back and it was back to two. We are in mylo we dont immeditely lose the game if town is lynched, scum can still miss their shot, you claimimg lessens that posibility greatly. | ||
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HF if you are town claiming vet is terrible. Bereft if you are town counterclaiming vet is terrible. HF you claimed medic, if you are town and I was lynched today, you would have been shot because you claimed medic and if you are vet that would have let the game continue, gratz terrible claim Bereft if I was lynched today, you could have been shot as you are unlikely to draw protection if there is a actual medic. Also if there are no investigative roles it is possible we have 2 vets, I underatand you dont think there three power roles, but in my first newbie 12 players 3 town power roles it is possible, and even if you thought that cora took his claim back and it was back to two. We are in mylo we dont immeditely lose the game if town is lynched, scum can still miss their shot, you claimimg lessens that posibility greatly. | ||
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On November 28 2013 08:38 Bereft wrote: obviously I am town. HF is not certain to get lynched. in order to lynch him we need 5 votes. cora is the last town and doesn't want to move his vote. I don't know what else you need explained to you. I would hammer him I already said I would and most likely still will and feel bad while doing it. Ill vote him now and give you benefit of the doubt for now. Did you read my case on cora? ##UNVOTE ##VOTE HOLYFLARE | ||
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On November 28 2013 08:38 Bereft wrote: obviously I am town. HF is not certain to get lynched. in order to lynch him we need 5 votes. cora is the last town and doesn't want to move his vote. I don't know what else you need explained to you. Maybe, MAYBE, obvious to you, but not obvious to me. | ||
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On November 28 2013 09:28 Mocsta wrote: Wow. Onegu You totally convinced Cora is scum. im makeing sure there is a hammer and no shennigans, I set a alarm for 30 munutes til deadlin if people read my case that I spent 5 hours on and want to vote him Im ready. Cora is scum. I just showed it has to be me or him, and it is him as I am VT. But there has to be a lynch today otherwise we go to lylo with the same damn wagons.. I am makeing sure a lynch happens but really I am feeling bereft is fake claiming. | ||
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On November 28 2013 09:48 Mocsta wrote: I was being sarcastic. Your case looked like holyflare wrote it. Ill take that as a compliment? | ||
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On November 28 2013 10:12 Mocsta wrote: Shameless +1 With caveat If Cora is scum, I'm never playing with him again. Im that feeling if he is town, but was waiting for postgame. | ||
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On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote: Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though, ##Unvote ##Vote Bereft Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE BEREFT | ||
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Cora plays very anti town, doesnt have a town PoV, contridicts himself multiple times. His day one lynch target 24hours in is aqua, his case is 2 points, first aqua goes from null to scum on cora with no reason, 2 aquas case and points on rean is wrong. Aqua responds, cora says his reason on point 1 is smoke and mirrors, and accepts aquas points on rean are legit. So cora has 2 points against aqua and one is completely shattered and cora accepts it is. So cora unvotes amd moves on. WRONG!!! Cora says nothing has changed and aqua should still be lynched. Rayn and mocsta shit start, aqua still who he wants to lynch. But does he push his lynch, other than saying he still wants to lynch him, he doesnt mention him. Doesnt say hey guys really aqua is scum check out my case, or bring up new points at all. His first case is BS, its scum attemptimg to look active. | ||
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On November 28 2013 13:19 Chezinu wrote: I just read Chezinu's filter. It is hilarious! I especially love the pun about flare being dim. Oh, that was great! No puns about onegu. .Anyway Im done until daypost unless anyone has questions for me Ill check once or twice. | ||
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On November 28 2013 15:11 Mocsta wrote: - In my head I was thinking: I'm bored, how about I give Onegu some courtesy and give it a full read over. - Then I realised "WOW!" Onegu has an 11page filter, maybe... *just* MAYBE he could be town. BAH-BAM !!!!! - Then I realised something else. You see Onegu: Its impossible for Holyflare and Corazon to be on a scum team. (1) Thread sentiment wanted an Onegu lynch (2) Corazon wanted a Onegu lynch (3) Its MYLO (4) Corazon fake-claimed to get you lynched (5) Holyflare Opposed the lynch as hard as he could.. even getting Corazon to admit the fake-claim Whats the problem? The problem is that scum want to win. As quickly as possible. Give that it is MYLO, if Corazon was scum -- there was no need for Holyflare to battle him, put pressure on him.. heck even get Corazon to admit fake-claiming. Further, if Corazon was *WRONG* about Onegu... Holy woulda just sat by idly and let scum mislynch to finish the game. Onegu, we already knew you were scum before all this. Now its proven and irrefutable You *will* be lynched tomorrow. The only decision this town has to make is between Chezinu and Alakaslam. Considering Chezinu flipflopped his vote, and Slam stayed true. Nothing has changed. Its just a matter of waiting out the required cycles. *TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK* Nope I nailed the scum team when I said mocsta, corazon, rean, but if HF there at lylo lynch him over rean/slam. Yes scum want to win quick bit moreso scum want to win safe. So heres what happened, cora claims red check on me. Scum knows I am makeing a case on cora, have made a case on mocsta, and said if HF is there at lylo to lynch him. So they both faked claimed and know when I flip town and something happens to thier NK, which the odds go up and up with every VT flip of them missing thier shot. With pressure already on HF and people wanting his head over my own, scum decide to make the we are going to attack each other and separate. This gives both HF and cora ways to back out of their claims, which I pointed out before cora said he fakeclaimed. They basicly decided to connect HF to me and seperate HF and cora connections. So when I flip green it is harder to connect them all because of wifom. But anyway, I cannot read Slam or Chez ever in anygame with them, bereft is confirmed town. So I will filterdive scibera and make my case why he is town so you fools dont decide to lynch him over cora or mocsta. | ||
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Get on it people cora is scum. ##VOTE cDgCorazon @slam: Bereft is confirmed town look elsewhere. Unless slam, bereft, or scib have questions for me I most likely wont post here again only checking in every so often. And maybe linking cora/mocsta with quotes from their filters but not sure how lazy I will be or not. | ||
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@ slam BEREFT IS CONFIRMED TOWN. HF doesnt get lynched . Period, if you want to wait until after I flip town to confirm him ok, but to think he might be scum is dumb @bereft YOU ARE CONFIRMED TOWN a scum slam most likely wouldnt attack you for being scum. With the other telling him dude attacking the confirmed townie is dumb and going to get you lynched So that leaves sciberia, and he has played a uber town game, he is final scum with cora he deserves to win. Cora is 100% scum, my points why me and cora cant both be town is stronger than mocstas why HF and cora cant both be scum arguement. Mocsta might not be, but is like greater than 80% chance he is final scum, with Slam 15%, sciberia 5% If we dont get endgame post you guys lynch Cora, dont talk about it, go read my case which none of you except maybe sciberia has done, and vote him. IF I AM FINAL SCUM THERE IS STILL ONE MORE AND THE GAME ISNT OVER, IF I AM TOWN THE GAME IS LIKELY OVER. With tnis in mind look who is looking for last scum and look at who is lazy. That would be cora and mocsta, less mocsta as he has done a little bit, but its mostly been onegu is scum here is why, not this person is scum with onegu. | ||
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You are Gaetano Badalamenti, a Mobster (Vanilla Townie). You are one of the strongest candidates to take the position of Padrino in this fair city of liquidia. As the head of Liquidia's most famous drug running organization you are wealthy, and you think, above the law. Of course when its just twelve men in the city of vice, money doesn't weigh as much as you might think. Find the dirty pigs in your midst and see if you can't get elected to a position of even greater power. | ||
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"If onegu flips town and the game does not end I promise to vote cDgCorazon as soon as I can. I will read onegu's case on cDgCorazon, and why Onegu and cDgCorazon cannot both be town. I will then not take my vote off of cDgCorazon no matter what wifom may come up." | ||
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"If onegu flips town and the game does not end I promise to vote cDgCorazon as soon as I can. I will read onegu's case on cDgCorazon, and why Onegu and cDgCorazon cannot both be town. I will then not take my vote off of cDgCorazon no matter what wifom may come up." | ||
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Wifom, wifom, wifom, blah, blah, blah Mocsta you are writeing alot of words but not saying anything understandable. You are going in circles with you saying little and your vote on me in the end. You go from cora is scum, to no its slam, but if slam is scum then sciberia looks bad, to I am confirmed town, cora is town, sciberia scum, vote onegu, sciberia scum lets vote him, blah blah blah. @anyone if you understand what mocsta is saying and where he is trying to go let me know in laymans terms. And I want promises. Also not just vet maybe we have a medic who can pull an amazing save. | ||
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On December 01 2013 22:44 Mocsta wrote: Onegu, you gonna vote Sciberbia with me? Im pretty confident Corazon is town based on Holyflare filter. Maybe as it is infinitely more likely he is scum than I am scum. But that being said if I cant have cora or you, I would prefer a slam lynch. | ||
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On November 30 2013 22:30 Onegu wrote: Let me lay down the law here @ slam BEREFT IS CONFIRMED TOWN. HF doesnt get lynched . Period, if you want to wait until after I flip town to confirm him ok, but to think he might be scum is dumb @bereft YOU ARE CONFIRMED TOWN a scum slam most likely wouldnt attack you for being scum. With the other telling him dude attacking the confirmed townie is dumb and going to get you lynched So that leaves sciberia, and he has played a uber town game, he is final scum with cora he deserves to win. Cora is 100% scum, my points why me and cora cant both be town is stronger than mocstas why HF and cora cant both be scum arguement. Mocsta might not be, but is like greater than 80% chance he is final scum, with Slam 15%, sciberia 5% If we dont get endgame post you guys lynch Cora, dont talk about it, go read my case which none of you except maybe sciberia has done, and vote him. IF I AM FINAL SCUM THERE IS STILL ONE MORE AND THE GAME ISNT OVER, IF I AM TOWN THE GAME IS LIKELY OVER. With tnis in mind look who is looking for last scum and look at who is lazy. That would be cora and mocsta, less mocsta as he has done a little bit, but its mostly been onegu is scum here is why, not this person is scum with onegu. | ||
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On December 02 2013 00:26 Bereft wrote: ##Vote: Onegu i retract this bit: based on HF's and cora's interactions, cora is basically confirmed town. onegu, are you still standing by your "cora is 100% scum"? Yes, I am saying I pegged the scum team, they didnt want something crazy to happen if they missed thier shot and wifo,ed into bussing. Also the HF cora interactions gave them both a way to back off of the fake claims. Basicly do you thin it is possible both me and cora could be town. Now if by some chance i flip green + Show Spoiler + I will flip VT | ||
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On December 02 2013 00:45 Bereft wrote: mocsta, i don't think sciberbia can be scum. maybe i'll look like an idiot post-game, but his filter reads pretty spotless to me. the only thing i've disagreed with him on the entire game is his JJD read. but having never played with JJD before, i can see where he's coming from. right now i'm comfortable bucketing it like the following: town with little to no doubt: {cora, sciberbia} town with a smidgen of doubt: {mocsta} will be a sad panda if town: {onegu, slam} Going to find me some sad panda pics for you. | ||
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On December 02 2013 01:53 cDgCorazon wrote: Onegu, if you weren't scum I would call you a hypocrite. You spent 3 days promising a case on me before making it. There is this thing called sleep that is really lovely. Mocsta case coming soon, 1-2 hours. I have to make it look all pretty for y'all. I got it in before deadline, you are waiting until after deadline. If you make it before deadline like you say you are then great. | ||
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On December 02 2013 02:00 Bereft wrote: even if by some horrible twist of fate you flip VT, i will stand by cora being town until the day i die (game life, not real life). I will get double sad pandas for you. But 4rlz when I flip VT go and look at the actions around the time cora claimed cop. You are confirmed town. That leaves slam, mocsta, and scib. If cora town 2/3 of them would habe to not be around to shoot the cop. Who if was actuall cop would report a green check on me, you think scum would let that happen? Nope cora is scum. | ||
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On December 02 2013 02:35 cDgCorazon wrote: The deadline is in 10 hours. Can you please give up, scum? You're looking really pathetic. Ggnore. Im out no more posts until post game. This game has been very fustrateing, like I put a bunch of effort into this game as evidenced by my notes, and I understand people thinking I am scum and not wanting to listen to me, but saying even after I flip they wont take a look. And I never let people get under my skin but cora has done it this game, I guess gratz to him... | ||
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/end rant No more posts | ||
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On December 03 2013 16:20 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah I'm done talking about this game. No one has any sympathy for how I feel and everyone uses my reactions as a way to indulge in their self-pity (Onegu, I'm looking at you) and continues to bash me without thinking about how I would feel from my PoV. I can only take comfort in the fact that at least I understand what is going through my head when I play mafia. Basicly, you arent worth my time anymore. I have played with you before, co hosted one of your games and played in a game you have hosted. None of these things will happen again, I will not play with you, will not play in a game you host, or cohost a game with you. I have more important things in my life than dealing with you. In my case I showed where you were being rude and uncorapative, then things just got worse. You are a hypocrite, you didnt read my case, I read your case on me and responded you didnt do the same for me. My mocsta case you didnt read, you just said it was great, and just now in postgame you talked about how bad it was, you made a player replace out. If someone said anything about you shut down. Yo Whatever no need to write anymore. Not worth my time to deal with you. | ||
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@Mocsta I didnt say I wouldnt vote sciberia, just that I really felt he would flip town, and would prefer slam if not you or cora. | ||
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