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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 08:19 GMT
#2124
Mocsta why arent you giveing the whole quotes? In the first post jamp says he has only skimmed the thread but will read with actual thought.

Why leave that part out then make him look bad for changeing his read. And he only says he will consoildate on rean then next post says aqua is still scum. Not sure what you were going for.

Here is the whole post

On November 20 2013 17:42 jampidampi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 17:33 Mocsta wrote:
On November 20 2013 17:29 jampidampi wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 20 2013 17:24 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:19 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.

i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls?


He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back.


At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back?

Hi jampidampi,

Help me out please.
Firstly, I assume you have read the whole thread, thus consider this post to be significant enough to warrant being your introduction post?

Secondly, Are you querying Rean for information about Rean or Sciberbia?

I'm asking him about his thought process.
I find that "held back" is a very interesting way to describe Sciberias play up to that point, imo he was one of the most direct poeple at that time.
OK, thanks.

Have you read the whole thread?

Is it safe to assume that because you are "intrigued" by Rean, you are in any agreement with Aquanim case on Rean?

Yes I have read the thread once for a sense of game flow. Rereading now with actual thought.

Aquas case has some merit to it if Reans reasons for thinking Sciberbia was "held back" are not good. If Rean had good reasons to think Scib was "held back" then it kinda falls apart.



Mocsta is cutting portions out to suit his needs.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 08:41 GMT
#2132
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 08:56 GMT
#2135
On November 26 2013 17:45 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 17:41 Onegu wrote:
Ok you spoiler it. I dont get why you spoil it. Really feels like you are trying to hide shit. dont even say I say its ok for him to change his reads but not you, you have done it MULTIPLE TIMES, I even say you can change your reads but you do 3 magical rereads and change your reads from scum to town and town to scum each time with no reasons given on alot of them, or only one liners. Also his reads come at a point, the his reads change once and not again like you suggest. He says he will consolidate but never takes his read back. He left himself outs you say, but he never used them. He kept his story. And aqua was confirmation biased he thought you were town, didnt have a read on jamp who tunneled him. He read over your case andddnt fact check it so you bringing up a confirmed town agreed with you means nothing.

LOl..

so you are comparing the filter of a Day1 lurker; or a Day3 active.. and then suggesting that the Day1 lurker changes his mind less?.. no shit sherlock

Aqua was C.B'd lol? Is that how you justify your position now?

Spoilering posts means I want to hide stuff --> Scummy LOL...

Let me know when you are ready to stop changing up your story



Yeah remember that part about not responding to you or cora, we arent getting anywhere. And Im not going to keep shitting up the thread with you. I know you are going to try to use onegu wasnt reading, onegu doesnt know what he was talking about when I flip, Im guess its the first post you make after I flip.

You are the one who brought up Aqua a confirmed townie agreeing with your case, I am showimg why that doesnt mean anything when it comes to that townie haveing a town read on you, at minumum a null read on jamp, and the case is about jamp haveing a scum read on aqua.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 09:04 GMT
#2139
My next post will be my case on cora, and then nothing more, unless someone other than cora or mocsta have questions of me. And you guys should think ahead to what happens if onegu flips green, as well as if onegu flips red moreso than rayn or JJD because this is mylo.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 10:55 GMT
#2162
CAN I HAVE THE ATTENTION OF TH THREAD PLEASE


THIS IS MYLO

THE PLAYER LIST IS AS FOLLOWS

1THRAWN KILLED N2
2 REAN/ALAKASLAM
3 JarJarDrinks Lynched day 2
4 cDgCorazon
5 Befeft
6 Vonthin/Rayn Lynched D1
7 Mocsta
8 Aquanim KILLED N2
9 Onegu
10 Lonemeow/ Holyflare
11 Sciberia
12 Jamp/ Chezniu


THIS LEAVES US WITH 8 LEFT!

5TOWN
3SCUM

LYNCH TODAY 4-3 NK 3-3 TOWN LOSS


Scib since we are in mylo it is fine for cora to plan a fake claim N1 another mislynch like what happened and we are in mylo if both n2 kills go off.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 11:07 GMT
#2166
@Scib if I flip town what are your thoughts on cora? Anyway my case is comeing up.

Also everyone except chezniu has weighed in on me ant it is currently 6-1-1 votes on me, on cora, note voted.

Can we please vote 24 hour day?

##VOTE cDgCorazon
##VOTE 24 HOUR DAY
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 12:20 GMT
#2171
On November 26 2013 20:18 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 20:07 Onegu wrote:
@Scib if I flip town what are your thoughts on cora? Anyway my case is comeing up.

Also everyone except chezniu has weighed in on me ant it is currently 6-1-1 votes on me, on cora, note voted.

Can we please vote 24 hour day?

##VOTE cDgCorazon
##VOTE 24 HOUR DAY


Well if you flipped miller that would be tragic and I'd still think Cora is cop.

If you flip town then Cora is obviously somewhat suspect. Probably one of him/Mocsta/Bereft would have to be scum. Either cop claim is fake or Mocsta/Bereft framed you. Most likely because of math would be a fake cop claim. So yea if you flip town then I guess Cora is probably scum. But I doubt it.

This whole martyring thing is pretty dumb and just makes me feel more sure about you being scum tbh. Do you really think you are going to win with town by dying but convincing someone to shoot Cora? It doesn't make any sense. If we DO have a vig then he has been roleblocked twice in a row. It wouldn't take a genius scumteam to roleblock the same person again.

And either
a) HF is town and gets shot, ending the game, or more likely
b) HF is scum, so we have no medic, and scum have their pick of game-ending NK



Im not martyring, I just asked GMarshal if I am allowed to do something that might save me actually. The problem is I know my town play looks scummy Im working on it, I have been mislynched in every town game I have been in.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 12:29 GMT
#2172
On November 26 2013 20:33 Mocsta wrote:
Funny how hf now starts posting.

Anyways once onegu is lynched. I hope hf and chez concede.

I'm bored....

I was willing to entertain one of onegu/hf being town, but they are both. Tag teaming the same arguments too hard.

It really feels us vs them.

Gg.



It is. Town vs Scum and you are scum we are town.


But serious, I would lynch cora first, then mocsta and if it is 2-1 with HF there I would vote him as I dont see scum letting him live in lylo to let him make a save and make it mylo again with him confirmed town. And yes they could bus him as a almost guarentee to a win, but I wouldnt lynch him before that point. But I really doubt that would happen as I have a strong town read on him. Anyway finishing cora case and post it tonight.


Im going to feel like shit if I flip miller, but I am 99.999999999% sure cora is fake claiming.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 13:44 GMT
#2175
Damnit I wasnt going to respond. You just played a scum game last week, why would you play the same way? So Im not looking at meta, Im looking at general scummy tells.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 13:46 GMT
#2176
On November 26 2013 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 21:20 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 20:18 sciberbia wrote:
On November 26 2013 20:07 Onegu wrote:
@Scib if I flip town what are your thoughts on cora? Anyway my case is comeing up.

Also everyone except chezniu has weighed in on me ant it is currently 6-1-1 votes on me, on cora, note voted.

Can we please vote 24 hour day?

##VOTE cDgCorazon
##VOTE 24 HOUR DAY


Well if you flipped miller that would be tragic and I'd still think Cora is cop.

If you flip town then Cora is obviously somewhat suspect. Probably one of him/Mocsta/Bereft would have to be scum. Either cop claim is fake or Mocsta/Bereft framed you. Most likely because of math would be a fake cop claim. So yea if you flip town then I guess Cora is probably scum. But I doubt it.

This whole martyring thing is pretty dumb and just makes me feel more sure about you being scum tbh. Do you really think you are going to win with town by dying but convincing someone to shoot Cora? It doesn't make any sense. If we DO have a vig then he has been roleblocked twice in a row. It wouldn't take a genius scumteam to roleblock the same person again.

And either
a) HF is town and gets shot, ending the game, or more likely
b) HF is scum, so we have no medic, and scum have their pick of game-ending NK



Im not martyring, I just GMarshal if I am allowed to do something that might save me actually. The problem is I know my town play looks scummy Im working on it, I have been mislynched in every town game I have been in.
I don't care what your alignment is.
stuff like this needs to go on the rules list, if its not there already.

this is disgusting abuse of host manipulayuion which we have no means of knowing is true.

completely poor sportsmanship if scum, completely.



Ill tell you wht it is I asked him if I could take pics of my notes let people see my effort and thoughts and let them thin if I am still scum.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 13:47 GMT
#2177
He says we can post pics and hasnt responded so I might do it anyway.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 13:48 GMT
#2178
On November 26 2013 22:43 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 21:20 Onegu wrote:
On November 26 2013 20:18 sciberbia wrote:
On November 26 2013 20:07 Onegu wrote:
@Scib if I flip town what are your thoughts on cora? Anyway my case is comeing up.

Also everyone except chezniu has weighed in on me ant it is currently 6-1-1 votes on me, on cora, note voted.

Can we please vote 24 hour day?

##VOTE cDgCorazon
##VOTE 24 HOUR DAY


Well if you flipped miller that would be tragic and I'd still think Cora is cop.

If you flip town then Cora is obviously somewhat suspect. Probably one of him/Mocsta/Bereft would have to be scum. Either cop claim is fake or Mocsta/Bereft framed you. Most likely because of math would be a fake cop claim. So yea if you flip town then I guess Cora is probably scum. But I doubt it.

This whole martyring thing is pretty dumb and just makes me feel more sure about you being scum tbh. Do you really think you are going to win with town by dying but convincing someone to shoot Cora? It doesn't make any sense. If we DO have a vig then he has been roleblocked twice in a row. It wouldn't take a genius scumteam to roleblock the same person again.

And either
a) HF is town and gets shot, ending the game, or more likely
b) HF is scum, so we have no medic, and scum have their pick of game-ending NK



Im not martyring, I just GMarshal if I am allowed to do something that might save me actually. The problem is I know my town play looks scummy Im working on it, I have been mislynched in every town game I have been in.
I don't care what your alignment is.
stuff like this needs to go on the rules list, if its not there already.

this is disgusting abuse of host manipulayuion which we have no means of knowing is true.

completely poor sportsmanship if scum, completely.



And Im town.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 14:42 GMT
#2180
Patience grasshopper, it is a virtue. It will come with plenty of time for people to read and comment on it.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 14:45 GMT
#2181
Cora while you are here can you answer a question for me?


On November 25 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend.

In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either:

a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights
or
b)be lynched due to his behavior

A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them.

I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now.

Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching?



What points did you agree with, what part was great?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 14:52 GMT
#2187
HF I think you are the riseing sun. I wonder who I am though?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 14:54 GMT
#2188
@ Chez can you interact with me even though we played together one time you never interacted with me
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 15:01 GMT
#2191
So the Holy Flare isnt the riseing sun. Interesting. I found out coras name meant heart so he cant be the dragon. There can only be one Eternium Dragon, I am ONEgu, but if that is the case maybe the Magician cast a spell on me because I am only ONEGUy.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 15:02 GMT
#2192
On November 26 2013 23:59 Bereft wrote:
I was entertaining the idea that onegu was framed or a miller, but the way onegu and HF are reacting makes me feel pretty good that they are scum together. however I do have some lingering paranoia - would you guys be willing to humor me and vote HF out first? there's a tiny chance onegu was framed or is a miller, but about a 0% chance HF is actually a doctor.



Why not possible cora is lieing and isnt Cop? Why only frame or miller. We are in mylo.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 17:25 GMT
#2198
Pics incomeing

Just going to give a link to the gallery there are 28 pics some are of the same page twice but not many sorry. Takeing a few minutes to upload because shitty internet.

Also I really am working on my cora case and trying to format it well so it is readable.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 26 2013 17:43 GMT
#2199
first half, mocsta and cora filter notes for cases

Basicly these are tl;dr of their filters with my own notes added in so I can do quick checks.
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