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You all better vote me or mocsta.
And when you lynch me actually read the fucking case on mocsta, I stayed up until 5am writeing that thing and all of you dont even read it.
Also cora when he links shit for slam to read he didnt even link my mocsta case.
And I didnt cherrypick anything, read the damn case, then read mocsta filter and tell me what relevant info I left out.
Back to sleep
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On November 25 2013 10:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
If I "scum claimed" as I have been attested to do so about 15 times this game, why aren't you voting for me?
After mocsta your next dont worry.
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On November 25 2013 10:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
Fine. Although Onegu just said I "scum slipped" and then says Mocsta is scum for calling out "scum slips", I'll consolidate.
##unvote:
##Vote: JJD
Nope see you didnt read my case, mocsta uses scum slips then calls out HF for his use of "scum slips". How could you say my case was a great case when you didnt even read it?
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On November 25 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote:
Onegu I read it and commented
It's a bad case and misses things I know that exist in my filter.
I do t thinkthe cherry picking was malicious. I actually believe you think I am scum.
You are as bad a lynch today as me.
Jjd even now shows no care. Just promises of activity. Does he truly read to you as town fighting for his life??
Show me what I missed then, I pulled out everytime you made a read, show me your jamp cases. Show me what I missed was relevant.
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This lynch is going to end badly, its my own damn fault, If I could push my scum reads becaus I myself are scummy, or say things clear enough where people will actually read the case.
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On November 25 2013 11:24 Mocsta wrote:
Onegu. I only have limited time and I don't think retorting post for post will change your read
Perhaps your issue is that you expect a case to precede a vote. I don't work that way, and neither do a lot of other players. By case i mean a full blown analysis.
Thats all fine and good, but if you look at your reason for voteing jamp its the same reason rayn did and you defended him from rayn with meta that he was town.
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On November 25 2013 11:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 07:20 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend.
In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either:
a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights
or
b)be lynched due to his behavior
A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them.
I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now.
Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching? Mocsta already thinks I'm scum. I'm totes ready to OMGUS but I want to try and see why first. Faugh. I went from harrowing to potentially harrowing. Let's check this out... Onegu, enlighten me. Did I think Rean was scum at this time? I wrote a lot of spiel on JJD last night and even voted him. So I find this comment out of place as an intro. Thoughts?
On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
scibs.
I'm taking a dump but just wanted to let you know we are both cb'd. at least I admitted I had no time to filter dive you and raised points from recollection. whereas you just ignore what I write outright.
I decided to prioritise vorazon for good reason. its in my posy.. and guess what.
since then coraxon stepped it up and started producing the goods.
corazon like others, I would like yo see onehu case on me before laying down a vote. a lot of what you write seems damning though with the contradictions etc.
I'm feeling a jjd vote. his timeluy felurk only when voted is not resonating well with me.
I was expecting him to give impetus today.
I think aqua is town, nothing to do with his read on me. I was thinking about this before.., hes still posting and trying to solve the game.
I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today.
jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote
##unvote
##votte: jarjardrinks
aside from the tunnel on cotrazon I can't remember what he has done,
I'm not even sure who his scum reads are.
/arse wiped
I gotta go, be back in say 8hrs
You mean here where you vote JJD, but also say rean is a good lynch?
Yeah I would say slam is right.
How can you not keep your reads straight?
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On November 24 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:K, so I think Rean looks pretty bad too. Like really bad. Almost every one of his posts seem scummy to me. On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad.
Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem.
Now to my goals/early game statements:
1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either.
2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos.
On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> Says nothing about the game. Makes an empty threat. Posts completely obvious stuff. On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. That's not what he thinks of Mocsta. That's telling us how Mocsta has been acting. It's a recap and nothing more. Did he really think that Bereft was asking how Mocsta was acting and NOT whether he though he scummy or not? On November 20 2013 13:14 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment? I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag. So Aqua follows up and he give a very non-committal answer of "probably town but could be scum". On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. @ least aqua is asking stuff. Rean never asked a question or gave any read, aside from the non read I posted above after he was asked TWICE. All his posts were stating the obvious/answering questions unrelated to reads. On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote:Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:20 Aquanim wrote:
@Corazon
I'd like you to elaborate more on why you think sciberbia is scum. I don't entirely understand your argument at present. He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red". On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote:
(A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia
(B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A)
(C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people.
B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me.And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind. On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Mocsta
If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants.
@Rean
Why do you want to see me in particular pressured? To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why? So apparently, he now has a scumread from cora? Wasn't he JUST defending him? ##Vote: Rean thrawn note jjd last point on rean. then note his intro line on nominating rean as scum. it encapsulates.. more scummy TO ME this was a pretty detailed post from jjd and was one of the reasons I had a town read on him.. I'm considering jjd sensed rean was going down and bussed him. I haven't checked vote counts to sense timing awareness though. I'm on tablet tonight so its really hard to quote, but before this jjd goes from scum read on me to unjustified scum read on corazon to this read on rean. I do find it odd that jjd in his first post analysis of team states he is doing nothing, when he is in fact calling out his former scum read corazon. food for thought
Here you also show JJD was bussing rean, then you are gone and slam joins looks at most recent stuff and sees you ok to vote rean.
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On November 25 2013 11:46 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 11:44 Onegu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 11:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 07:20 Alakaslam wrote:On November 25 2013 07:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
While I think it is a great case Onegu (and your recent activity has earned my unvote), I'm worried that killing Mocsta will put the thread to a screeching halt like it has been for most of D2. Look how inactive the thread has been with Mocsta's limited time to play this weekend.
In my opinion, Mocsta is one of those players who will either:
a)get killed in the first 2-3 nights
or
b)be lynched due to his behavior
A town Mocsta is a really good asset for town. Scum will be looking to nightkill him ASAP and if they don't do that, then there is a good chance he is one of them.
I'm not disagreeing with you because of my read on your or your points in the case- I just disagree with the principle of lynching Mocsta right now.
Is there anyone outside of Mocsta/Bereft you would be ok with lynching? Mocsta already thinks I'm scum. I'm totes ready to OMGUS but I want to try and see why first. Faugh. I went from harrowing to potentially harrowing. Let's check this out... Onegu, enlighten me. Did I think Rean was scum at this time? I wrote a lot of spiel on JJD last night and even voted him. So I find this comment out of place as an intro. Thoughts? On November 24 2013 13:04 Mocsta wrote:
scibs.
I'm taking a dump but just wanted to let you know we are both cb'd. at least I admitted I had no time to filter dive you and raised points from recollection. whereas you just ignore what I write outright.
I decided to prioritise vorazon for good reason. its in my posy.. and guess what.
since then coraxon stepped it up and started producing the goods.
corazon like others, I would like yo see onehu case on me before laying down a vote. a lot of what you write seems damning though with the contradictions etc.
I'm feeling a jjd vote. his timeluy felurk only when voted is not resonating well with me.
I was expecting him to give impetus today.
I think aqua is town, nothing to do with his read on me. I was thinking about this before.., hes still posting and trying to solve the game.
I'm liking a lunch between jjd/onegu jampi/rean today.
jampi/rean might be modkilled so I'm going to join and vote
##unvote
##votte: jarjardrinks
aside from the tunnel on cotrazon I can't remember what he has done,
I'm not even sure who his scum reads are.
/arse wiped
I gotta go, be back in say 8hrs You mean here where you vote JJD, but also say rean is a good lynch? Yeah I would say slam is right. How can you not keep your reads straight? I didnt vote him; you get too fixated on the phrase, and not enough on the intent. I can say all 11 people are scummy; fact is, I have one vote. Thats the action that *does* matter.
Slam said you thought he was scum, slam was right, are only the people you vote people you consider scum?
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Im here, good to know I dont comprehend half of what is being said anymore. I habe a hard time believeing 2 or more scum are in the replacements and town has just been exploading on each other. Filter diveing cora tonight and if have time and my internet is still good then aquanim. Somehow I think aqua is still looking at old onegu, and thinking if onegu is town he cant catch scum so there is no need to look close at my cases because they go against his reads and its onegu so no need to read because if he is town he cant catch scum or he is scum and his case is BS, thats the feeling I get from aqua anyway.
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I also kinda wann replace out so you can have alakaslam, chezniu and Blazinghand all in the game :p
+ Show Spoiler +
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On November 24 2013 23:38 Bereft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 17:28 sciberbia wrote:Lurking through the rayn lynch is by far the single scummiest thing anybody has done this entire game. I can't even imagine myself, as town, reading the 100 posts between pages 50 and 55 (the hour leading up to the lynch), and not posting my thoughts. That's crunch time. That's when the game is won or lost. It's when all the drama happens. The lynch was in question and everybody else online was vehemently discussing it, but JJD was just sitting there passing the time. On the other hand, I can easily see scum doing it. Rayn looked likely to be lynched so scum probably didn't feel much pressure. There's no reason for scum to be posting with a townie lynch coming down the pipeline. Furthermore here JJD expresses his opinion that Onegu is town and HF is scum, but says he will reread. + Show Spoiler +On November 22 2013 22:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Gonna reread Onegu but I haven't thought he was scum @ all this game so I doubt that's gonna change. Not crazy about Holyflare so gonna look close @ him.
He never posts the results of this reread. He hasn't been defending Onegu today even though he's looked like the most likely lynch candidate. He hasn't been pushing an HF lynch either. As thrawn says he's too content doing nothing. Combined with what aquanim and thrawn have posted, this feels really right to me. Better than every other lynch.
##Vote: JarJarDrinks no, sciberia, noo having just played with JJD i don't see it. his posting is pretty consistent with his last game (where he was town) -- sporadic posts which are occasional one to two liners. having read through his filter, i do not think they are without substance. i checked through his filter from our last game, and here are his post counts for 2 hours pre-lynch: day 1: 1 (context: his vote is for scum, who ultimately was lynched) + Show Spoiler +On November 02 2013 08:33 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##unvote
##vote: fuba
I can't believe people are voting for one of the most active people in the game when the race is between him and someone w/ 3 posts. day 2: 0 (context: town was winning by a landslide and the mafia lynch was inevitable) if you guys are confident about this read i'll really have to reconsider, but right now i'm not willing to vote JJD. also, i know you guys have expressed wariness to lynch HF after his doctor claim. but look at how he has ignored the important questions directed at him since his claim, and only diverted attention (such as posting his flavor, etc). think about it this way: would a real town doctor have such indifference to getting mislynched? his lack of true strategy when claiming, his bullshit excuse, his indifference...having played with him before, i cannot reconcile to his current behavior and cannot see a scenario where his claim is true.
This bit is a little bit scummy where he says if you guys really thinks so, but overall he hard defends someone who flipped town and tried to stop the lynch. But the scummy part could be him being new and willing to listen to people he considers vets and townie.
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Oh and I and feeling better about bereft after yesterday, he is still in my lookout pile but not my lynch pile as of the moment. Also I have very few town reads at the moment, 2 to be exact. Everyone else is null or scummy. No idea how you all want to form a town circle.
About bereft posts like this
On November 24 2013 15:12 Bereft wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about an onegu lynch. I read your case, Cora, along with his filter. the problem is I find onegu hard to read (both literally and figuratively, the former of which has led to his scum read on me unfortunately). I'm actually very willing to consider that he might be town right now, because his tone sounds very genuine. also, the post where he gave me an out / an opportunity to play the newbie card stands out. I don't see why he would do this as scum: Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 19:05 Onegu wrote:
@bereft
Serious question how new are you? This drasticly influeances my read on you. Im going to make my case on you anyway because its halfway done and alot of is still relevant for you to answer he quoted me on this in his filter (I'd forgotten I'd said this): Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:19 Bereft wrote:
also cmon Onegu m'boy. I gave you a town read when no one else thought so. live up to the high hopes I have for you and make the right vote! this will be I-RO-NIC if mocsta's scum.
Give me a town feel, he is wrong that is something a scum onegu would do is give him a out so I can change my mind on him anytime I want, but him saying it is misguided town. If he were scum I think he comes after me for that post not give me a town read for it.
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Ebwop those two posts were supposed to be one, with the second part the top.
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On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.
The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder.
Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier?
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Rean was replaced by alakaslam right?
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@Slam did you read my mocsta case?
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Btw if scum used thier delay ability and HF didnt get a save, we are in mylo if both kp land tonight..
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On November 26 2013 05:34 Alakaslam wrote:No, and huh? What delay? Catch me up on that please. What page is that case on? You are aware Cora had a case on you?
Yes I know he had a case on me Ill post my response and my case on mocsta, its long and long winded just so you know.
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On November 26 2013 05:42 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 04:28 Onegu wrote:On November 21 2013 05:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
Onegu, I know you are better at this game then your case on me. You fail to look at anything I have said about those posts and the information/logic you are using to vote for me is nothing original. I have not seen anything original in that case which leaves me worried about whether you are scum or not.
The whole game you've done nothing productive to the town. That case was so bad it's anti-productive. Try harder. Cora earlier you had responded to the mocsta case that I posted, yet then you thought my post was a new case with old arguements, how did you not see it was the exact same case you had defended yourself from earlier? Because you fail at BBCode
Did you read it or just glance at it? I mean yes I fail at bbc code but why wasnt it obvious it wasnt the same case you had defended yourself from already? The top part of it looked exactly the same. From what you wrote it looks like you at least look at it because you say those are old arguements and I bring nothing new to the table.
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