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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 21 2013 19:48 GMT
#761
On November 22 2013 04:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay:
##Unvote:
##Vote: Mocsta

:facepalm:

I'm going to have to vote you out just to get you and Mocsta to stop fighting.

##Unvote:
##Vote: Raynpelikoneet
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 21 2013 20:00 GMT
#765
This lynch is so stupid. I can't believe you guys let Mocsta take you by the balls and vote out Rayn just because they were having an ego fight.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 21 2013 21:26 GMT
#779
Your logic is bad ≠ you are scum
You should know better, Rayn
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 02:28 GMT
#1024
You know what, I don't want any part of this. Rayn and Moc are just battling with their egos and this whole thing is silly. I would say that I'd rather have Rayn be lynched so we can move on to more things but I also think it is really stupid that we are voting Rayn out when it's pretty obvious to me now that he is town.

##unvote
##Vote: No-lynch


This is stupid and I can't believe that it has come to this. Rayn is a bad lynch and Onegu/Aqua are way better lynches today.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 02:34 GMT
#1036
On November 22 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 11:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
You know what, I don't want any part of this. Rayn and Moc are just battling with their egos and this whole thing is silly. I would say that I'd rather have Rayn be lynched so we can move on to more things but I also think it is really stupid that we are voting Rayn out when it's pretty obvious to me now that he is town.

##unvote
##Vote: No-lynch


This is stupid and I can't believe that it has come to this. Rayn is a bad lynch and Onegu/Aqua are way better lynches today.


Scum claim?

Lynch me then. You're losing a townie whether I or Rayn get lynched.
Can we kill Onegu? His play has been way scummier.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 02:35 GMT
#1039
On November 22 2013 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Corazon why are you voting specifically for no-lynch instead of trying to lynch scum?

Cause you idiots are tunneled in on Rayn.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 02:37 GMT
#1043
On November 22 2013 11:36 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 11:35 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 22 2013 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
Corazon why are you voting specifically for no-lynch instead of trying to lynch scum?

Cause you idiots are tunneled in on Rayn.

That's not an answer. You know how bloody awful it is to no-lynch day 1, we learn nothing from it. If you don't like the Rayn lynch, PROPOSE ANOTHER ONE.

ONEGU
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 02:53 GMT
#1073
Yeah, I'm voting for no-lynch. You guys fail to listen to me and you don't want Onegu/Aqua dead, so why should I have to listen to you all?

Rayn has been the only thing we've talked about and guess who has made one post while everyone else tunnels on Rayn? ONEGU

Guess who has had zero thread presence and has not contributed to the discussion in a sufficent manner? ONEGU

Guess who is a better lynch? ONEGU
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 02:54 GMT
#1075
Thrawn, you're either gonna spend 72 hours lynching me or 72 hours lynching Rayn. It's still unproductive.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 02:55 GMT
#1079
On November 22 2013 11:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
Corazon this isn't grubby's twitch stream and you don't have mod powers here so adjust your attitude accordingly.

Tell Mocsta that.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 02:57 GMT
#1086
OMG RAYN IM STICKING MY NECK OUT FOR YOU AND YOU ARE GONNA MARTYR
FUCK YOU MAN JUST FUCK YOU
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 02:59 GMT
#1088
You were doing so well until you blew up at Mocsta...
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 03:01 GMT
#1094
You guys are so dumb...
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 03:10 GMT
#1097
Doesn't Onegu's vote look really scummy with Rayn's flip?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 03:20 GMT
#1099
On November 22 2013 12:14 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
Doesn't Onegu's vote look really scummy with Rayn's flip?

I'm not sure why Onegu's vote looks scummier due to Rayn's flip. Unless you're saying he didn't want to take responsibility for the Rayn lynch... which would apply to you in spades too. Could you clarify?

Onegu dropped a vote away from Rayn and then peaced out.

What would scum do if they knew town Rayn was probably going to be lynched 12 hours in advance? They wouldn't all pack on the Rayn wagon. That would be too obvious for a scum team. Wouldn't it make sense for Onegu to put a vote on Moc in the middle of the Rayn tunnel to look like he was making an effort to scum-hunt and then be able to distance himself from a Rayn lynch?

I was transparent with my stance on Rayn and my decision to no-lynch. Onegu was very shady about it and I think it's because he is hiding the fact that he is scum.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 03:48 GMT
#1104
On November 22 2013 12:27 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 12:20 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 22 2013 12:14 Aquanim wrote:
On November 22 2013 12:10 cDgCorazon wrote:
Doesn't Onegu's vote look really scummy with Rayn's flip?

I'm not sure why Onegu's vote looks scummier due to Rayn's flip. Unless you're saying he didn't want to take responsibility for the Rayn lynch... which would apply to you in spades too. Could you clarify?

Onegu dropped a vote away from Rayn and then peaced out.

What would scum do if they knew town Rayn was probably going to be lynched 12 hours in advance? They wouldn't all pack on the Rayn wagon. That would be too obvious for a scum team. Wouldn't it make sense for Onegu to put a vote on Moc in the middle of the Rayn tunnel to look like he was making an effort to scum-hunt and then be able to distance himself from a Rayn lynch?

I was transparent with my stance on Rayn and my decision to no-lynch. Onegu was very shady about it and I think it's because he is hiding the fact that he is scum.

That's a fair point.

Do you think the same applies to jampidampi and Rean, who both left their votes on me without pushing my lynch at all seriously? Personally I doubt they're all scum but I think there's at least one and possibly two scum in {Jampidampi, Rean, Onegu}.

And that's what should be the focal point of N1.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 04:40 GMT
#1122
HF if you thought the case was bad, why did you vote for Rayn? Why are you pointing fingers when you were just as much of the problem as Mocsta was when it comes to the Rayn lynch?

"Who's more foolish- the fool or the one who follows him?"
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 04:49 GMT
#1125
On November 22 2013 13:42 Mocsta wrote:
Corazon, what do you think of what I wrote about Onegu, Aqua, Thrawn before?

I can see your position on Aqua. I'll have another look at him because tbh that 12-hour shitfight made it hard to pick Aqua's posts out from all of the shit.

TBH Thrawn looks like your second head or something Moc. All I see from him are town reads on you and +1 on everything that you write. I wish he would branch out and do some of his own reads or else I would like to look at him some more.

I agree with the stuff on Onegu (as I said before- you were just kind of agreeing with me).
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 05:02 GMT
#1127
On November 22 2013 13:57 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 13:49 cDgCorazon wrote:
TBH Thrawn looks like your second head or something Moc. All I see from him are town reads on you and +1 on everything that you write. I wish he would branch out and do some of his own reads or else I would like to look at him some more.
Fair comment on being a "hydra"

ummm, Thrawn did that last cycle. It was the trigger for Rayns meltdown.

One of the key things he found was a read on LoneMeow/HolyFlare which ties in with how HolyFlare has come into this game.

Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 18:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 20 2013 21:41 LoneMeow wrote:
I could agree about cDgCorazon being scum. His filter has a ton of filler-like stuff, practically the only player he seems to have anything to talk about is sciberbia and even that is kind of non-commital, he's more or less hinting that sciberbia is scummy but never actually making it a real case. The part about town reads not being useful was just plain weird.

On the other hand, sciberbia's massive tunnel so early in the game is pretty weird and I really don't think they're both scum.


"I agree about Cor being scum" or even "I kinda agree" is how town people talk.

"I could agree" is how scum people talk. "Could agree" as in "if I were actually able to have an opinion but I can't because I'm scum." When they phrase things like this you are hearing their inner monologue trying to figure out what their reads would be if they didn't already know alignments. LM is also scum for townreading Aqua at a time when the average townie should have been at least a little suspicious of Aqua. My only problem writing LM off as scum is that he's barely posted. JampiDampi isn't posting either and I don't like how he was so quick to agree that my Aqua case was good and then he immediately stopped looking for mafia. I remember a post about looking for replacements so if this is him then I don't know how important that last point I made is and this might apply to LM if he's the one who's dropping out. Hopefully this won't be a problem after D1. Picking one out of those two to be scum.. I'll go with LM.

I just filtered scib real quick and he's ok. My gut says Bereft is town but at some point I'd like to do some 1v1 questioning.

Onegu remains an enigma but my gut has more and more been leaning towards town.

I was rereading rayn (sorry moc haven't finished up to the stuff you mentioned) and I came across this exchange

On November 21 2013 02:21 Mocsta wrote:
Are Rean and Aquanim bussing?



On November 21 2013 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know and i don't care. They both look individually bad to me. I'll reconsider when i see flips. I am not looking into connections now. Everyone has made good posts and those people have made bad posts in my opinion. I do not think Aquanim's reasons for voting for Rean are strong, i don't even know if he thinks he is scum as this is what he says:
Show nested quote +
For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning.

Shouldn't he be voting for Cora instead?


A question like what mocsta asked is exactly the kind of unimportant and tiresome thing that town rayn both would strongly care about and also be able to provide several filter pages of spam talking about. Town rayn would never pass up the chance to indulge a question such as Mocsta asked. Town rayn cares deeply about every minute aspect of every angle of every possible theory and he can't stand not having an opinion about such things.

I need to reread Corazon, I previously thought he was pretty townie but Mocsta seems to disagree. I am loathe to do it because I don't want to reread those opening cor/scib arguments again and I also think that town Corazon has a very scummy way of talking, arguing, and just the general way he organizes and presents his thought process. I will do this later.

Does it not concern you that he could be buddying you too hard? You've done that tactic to me before (was it Bluelightz? or 37?) and it bit me in the ass.

I would like thrawn to have a lot more thread presence going forward. I hope you can agree with that Moc.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 22 2013 05:13 GMT
#1130
On November 22 2013 14:11 Mocsta wrote:
I do not disagree at all that Thrawn needs more presence.

I don't think he has been buddying me though - in the sense, if anything I buddied him.

Yes I have buddied you before correct. But I was supporting your scum reads, and using your arguments to push them.
I don't think Thrawn is doing that to me. I think it has been coincidence we were thiking the same things at the same time, and posting live -- its what lead to me thiking he was town + towards end of cycle we were starting to disagree on stuff.


in 37 you were scum and I was town Moc

Also, why is your filter 11 pages? Don't you think that it is a bit ridiculous for 48 hours?

11*20 is 220/48 is around 5. You have a post every 12 minutes. Tbh I think things would be better if you tried to tone it down.
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