TL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die

On November 15 2013 14:54 Grackaroni wrote:
I'd bet even Vayne did something during his first few games of mafia.

On November 16 2013 04:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Or I'm trying to get a read on people who haven't posted anything of use yet such as yourself. Is your resistance to my question based on mistrust or laziness, I wonder?

On November 16 2013 05:11 Koshi wrote:

well you know what it means when Koshi and rayn don't like each other early and vayn points it out. vayn is scum. (Golden Sun)

On November 16 2013 07:36 Risen wrote:

Why not? I'm confused. I hate people who give solid town reads, but I give them from time to time and understand why people give them.

Scum reads should always be given when you have them, or you can delay if you want to see that person post more, but why withhold information like that beyond a certain point? No one is perfect, maybe you're sitting on something people missed or glossed over and because you're not airing your scum reads people won't be as willing to believe your stuff later. Seems foolish/not pro-town at all to me.

On November 16 2013 09:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Vayne, what merit does BH lynching you have?

On November 16 2013 09:07 Blazinghand wrote:


If you're scum this is like a fairly manly play

On November 16 2013 12:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


True, but given he and VE are my strongest two town reads, I know im town, and recognize more people have current doubts of me apparently than SS why would I not make sure the two people I believe are town aside from myself get control of spots the mafia could run amok with?

On November 16 2013 12:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


I completely disagree. Supersoft to me has done absolutely everything to further town goals. Also I would never vote for you over him.

If people were more inclined to vote me would I vote for myself? Likely but given that no one seems to want to (look how many people have already said they don't like me for a role) why would I not then put my stance behind someone else who should get it. If somehow ve is at a loss to get a slot ill swap my vote, but currently that seems incredibly unlikely

On November 17 2013 04:59 Pandain wrote:
Alright you guys now that Yamato can tunnel too long.

VE is okay but he's not the best.
Supersoft can come off as brash but he's also town(anyone disagree, please tell why) and a far better analyzer. I'm masoned with him and think this would be best weapon against scum.

On November 17 2013 06:16 Pandain wrote:

Are your reasons for not voting him still that he's a dick?

On November 17 2013 10:22 Pandain wrote:


I heavily doubt it unless scum went balls to the walls and voted for their scum mate. That means one of their members has to be one of the towniest looking people in Yam, VE, or SS. So your argument relies on the fact that one of the towniest members is not townie because scum had to try for mayor which isn't true at all.

In fact that's why I'm suspicious of those who didn't vote SS because I do believe him to be the best analyzer .

On November 17 2013 10:25 supersoft wrote:


that's bullshit. Who told you this?

On November 17 2013 10:39 Pandain wrote:

Can you explain this not following you.

On November 18 2013 03:56 Koshi wrote:

Is ausstin or Holyflare scum?

On November 15 2013 11:16 Mocsta wrote:

So classic chainsaw defending oats is back in town.

Gg too easy.

Nice attempt to belittle my case. Storrzerg is an experienced player. Far from lynch bait.

Want to have another go and explain why you disagree with my findings.

On November 15 2013 11:55 Mocsta wrote:

Oats baby.

Read my case again

I gave one of stores first posts from Hogwarts. A similar sized game.

He came out guns blazing. The analysis was wrong. But more importantly it was there, unlike this game.


Oats, shy are you so prickly this game.
Normally you are obnoxious, but tidY you feel venomous.

Why so angry? P.s. I'm more referring to your interactions with V.E

On November 15 2013 15:24 Mocsta wrote:
VA seriously
That is not cool.

I don't five a fuck what alignment u r.

On November 18 2013 10:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I were scum and I flipped, everyone would think I was bussing half my team anyway and not care about my filter. That' s the only worry about moc, but i dont believe he has the infamous history to do so?

On November 18 2013 12:56 Pandain wrote:

So what do you think it means

On November 19 2013 09:32 thrawn2112 wrote:


that's ridiculous. why are you settling for what you seem to be suggesting is a non-scum lynch?

On November 20 2013 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Really which vets?

VE? Artanis? SS? Rayn isn't a vet in my eyes. Hell neither is artanis. VE has only because hes proved to be as has SS. BH and I are playing like dogshit, Oats is playing like ass, Coags existence is non existent, Mig is playing "well" and terrible at the same time.

AND I CAN EASILY MAKE A CASE WHY VE ISNT PLAYING WELL.

That would leave you 3 people not being bad. Go read LXI. Its a shameful game. However it should prove my point that an inactive lazy mafia team can easily win when THE MOTHER FUCKING TOWN JUST HERP DERPS AND FUCKS ITSELF.

Jesus.

On November 19 2013 03:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
dat list post

town: Thrawn, Grack, Me, Rayne, Risen, Mr. CC, Artanis, Oats

Slightly town: Koshi, Coag, Pandain, Supersoft

Slightly scum: BC, VE, austinmcc, kush

Not Town: LM, BH

Unknowns: mattchew, mig, onegu, hopeless, stutters, HF, Slam

On November 20 2013 12:33 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't even see why pardoner is a good scum role. If somebody I want to lynch gets pardoned I'm just going to lynch SS.

On November 21 2013 07:25 OOHCHILD wrote:
nah vayne it's just when noobs are arrogant that pisses off my sense of justice

On November 21 2013 09:29 Grackaroni wrote:

I think I may have saw one.

On November 21 2013 09:32 Grackaroni wrote:

was there one in your big garbage post?

On November 21 2013 10:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Can we lynch you and your "bombs" blow the f up? :D

On November 21 2013 13:26 Mig wrote:


Of course it is an issue. Mafia have 3 kp to start with town has 1 lynch. And town vigs often shoot other townies mafia vigs are 100% accurate. The idea that mafia has 3kp + 4 vig kp is ridiculous.

On November 21 2013 13:45 Mig wrote:
Anyone who is town and thinks I am mafia should quit mafia forever. I am dead serious.

The idea that mafia has 3 kp + 2 2shot vigs and THEN I as mafia just decide hey lets claim that I shot the doctor n1 when no kp was missing then decided to claim this shot also when I could stay silent and shoot actual helpful townies instead of fucking mattchew. It is so beyond ridiculous I feel like I am losing my mind.

On November 21 2013 14:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey Vayne, you think that Rayn is town?
The thing with mad hatters is that you have to kill them to find out if they are real. So breadcrumbs mean absolutely NOTHING Vayne.

On November 21 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well yeah Vayne, you couldve just breadcrumbed like all the roles in the game to choose one to fakeclaim eventually.

On November 21 2013 15:26 Grackaroni wrote:

Also Coag looks absolutely terrible imo. He posts nothing but he follows along the thread to see if he is under suspicion.

On November 22 2013 05:15 Alakaslam wrote:

Fact check:
My scum team didn't in aperture- we specifically hammered mean I still wasn't lynched XD
As scum that game was glorious, like this one
It's my restitution for using false insanity meta to do things nobody would have gotten away with in that one

On November 23 2013 03:54 Koshi wrote:

I was town in Noir.

On November 23 2013 03:57 Koshi wrote:

It was N1. You had me as scum on D1.

[B]On September 24 2013 10:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
im surprised people want to read any of my games but I digress

rayn

lonemeow

Mocsta

JAT

Last 2 within: yamato, firmtofu, cephiro, pandain, stutters,umasi

that's where im at right now, haven't read too much in depth but thats how I felt as I watched the thread develop. Enjoy the game if I die, otherwise expect my story to be continued hu3hu3hu3hu3.

On November 23 2013 10:08 austinmcc wrote:
Vayne, I would like to see why I am da scumz.

On November 23 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
I still think the safest double lynches would be pandain/austin or BC/mig because there is mutually exclusive scum in both of these. I am pretty sure about that

On November 23 2013 10:15 Hopeless1der wrote:

okay then discuss with me. Why is austin scum?

On November 23 2013 10:16 Mig wrote:
I unfortunately think Koshi is town. He really put himself out there to get rayn lynched. Put himself soooo far out there.

On November 19 2013 03:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
dat list post

town: Thrawn, Grack, Me, Rayne, Risen, Mr. CC, Artanis, Oats

Slightly town: Koshi, Coag, Pandain, Supersoft

Slightly scum: BC, VE, austinmcc, kush

Not Town: LM, BH

Unknowns: mattchew, mig, onegu, hopeless, stutters, HF, Slam

On November 23 2013 10:21 austinmcc wrote:
You had me as mafia BEFORE this. This is not your reasoning.

On November 23 2013 10:28 Mig wrote:
Why is Coag slightly town VA. Look at his filter, or how about him soft defending BC? How about him leaving a useless vote at the end of the lynch even though he was around? In what world does coag look slightly town.

On November 24 2013 09:36 austinmcc wrote:
You find thrawn townie? Any specific reason?
Any specific reason you're townie on cheese?

Any specific reason you were scummy on me?

On November 24 2013 09:54 Grackaroni wrote:

Am I missing something? I don't get why one has to be scum.

On November 15 2013 13:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


yep. Now you understand part of my annoyance.

Also I haven't read any of your previous games but keep posting like you are and I see no issue with it. Its clear and easy to read. Only thing time / practice will teach you is how to better articulate what you want / convince people of things.

On November 24 2013 10:31 thrawn2112 wrote:


what does this even mean? if you think i'm town then you won't lynch me no matter what my reads are

"it's not a good stance"

as in you think i'm scum for it? as in you still think i'm town but you're just... going to lynch me anyways?

On November 24 2013 15:18 Pandain wrote:
Vayne has anyone masoned you yet?

On November 24 2013 15:22 austinmcc wrote:
Does my finding you scummy determine your alignment? If I just find you scummy every game, you will always retroactively get a town PM?

How come you put a bomb on BC N2, in order to stack KP with artanis's shot, in case of a mafia medic, but then you unvoted BC D3 because your bomb would kill him if mafia ever killed you?

Where did the worry about a mafia medic go?

On November 24 2013 10:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually risen is potentially a horrible lynch for today.

just found this gem




oh my oh my.

and this bc/slam interaction looks scum on scum btw, not that anyone will actually give a shit. i just want to join the obs already zZ

On November 24 2013 16:13 Pandain wrote:


No I agree in that I think Slam is town.

I don't think that how you're attempting to prove people via single posts is the way to prove alignments, however.

On November 24 2013 16:16 Pandain wrote:


Except it was in reference to Risen's quote which was:


So it wasn't a slip or anything

On November 24 2013 16:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
Vayne are you actually trying to get Austin lynched? You're being very adamant about that read but you post things like this:



Why don't you want to talk to your scumread? And on that note what to you think is to be gained by acting the way you have recently? If you really have these reads and want certain people to get lynched then why are you being so uncooperative about it?

On November 24 2013 16:18 Pandain wrote:


So my counter-argument is that there's better ways to prove someone is scum through analysis (see my post) then town because of phrasing (your post)

On November 24 2013 16:22 Pandain wrote:


If you're going to turn to ad-hominem then this discussion will end, then. Either you have more analysis and then you might actually convince people, or you'll have to stick to your gut on individual posts.

On November 24 2013 16:22 thrawn2112 wrote:


So you're still going to maintain this approach? I'm asking you to convince me that you actually have a read on Austin. You're saying "it's not going to happen" and I'm sitting here ASKING you for your opinion.

On November 24 2013 16:30 Grackaroni wrote:

Then you're a noob lol.

On November 24 2013 16:37 thrawn2112 wrote:


........try again?

Vayne I don't buy this BS at all. You've taken up this position of "no, I don't need to explain my reads or converse in any meaningful way" and I've been repeadtedly telling you that I WANT to hear your case. I WANT to hear your reasons for your reads because that's the only way I can actually read you. Instead you've thrown up this wall of "nope I am above everything I don't need to play this game" and it looks like pure bullshit.

so.... try again?

On November 25 2013 01:59 Mig wrote:


Vayne we have 0 proof that you are hatter besides your crumbs lol and you now claim to have no bombs. We have 0 actual proof of you being a hatter. So yea I believe you are hatter but people shouldn't assume it is 100% true.

On November 25 2013 06:30 Koshi wrote:
*grmbl grmbl*

rayn could easily be scum with BC, he kept saying bc was scum but took every opportunity to change his vote from bc and onto supersoft/alakaslam/LM/pandain.

Saying that it was impossible that rayn was scum is kinda overstating it.

On November 25 2013 05:16 VayneAuthority wrote:
You would have to read the timeline of the game closely to understand my vote. That's before I bothered to read the game myself and was ready to just follow SS for a day. After reading I realized that both you and thrawn are most likely town.

On November 26 2013 03:19 Risen wrote:

And yet at the time...?

On November 26 2013 03:32 Risen wrote:

Please note the feigned rage that isn't actually real here. He can't back up his play and so is now just raging out. I do it as scum, too.