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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 00:43 GMT
#2700
Does anyone have a good read on Mattchew? I think he's town because of the total lack of effort he's putting in to be honest. He does more as scum, I think he's literally not just giving a shit
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 00:44 GMT
#2703
Actually he might be scum his posts are that bad.
On November 17 2013 10:09 Mattchew wrote:
are you kidding VE?

On November 17 2013 07:53 Mattchew wrote:
i am not supportive of the SS wagon, i dont really like the way its developed

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 01:16 GMT
#2746
The flips don't really prove BH is scum unfortunately there could be three trackers
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 01:26 GMT
#2758
On November 18 2013 10:26 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 10:25 supersoft wrote:
On November 18 2013 10:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On November 15 2013 23:44 Mocsta wrote:
no yam you may be a town read for me, but thats not enough to secure my vote.

BC could be scum, but you aren't even trying to interact with him to develop the read further.
it comes down to asset management.
BC is a highly respected vet. let's entertain you and say he is scum.
there are still 5 others out there, 4 if you include storrzerg.

the risak of losing a town BC far exceeds the gain from losing a scum BC, this early on in my opinion.

instead of standing on the soap box. if you genuinely want votes from people such as myself, you are going to have to work for it.


Mocsta doesn't like people calling BC scum. Or am I cray?


interesting find. Got to think about this! But BC is not an issue d2. We give him at least one or two more days.
I have plenty of other good targets, so he can wait.
Either he happens to be a huge pain in the ass for the scumteam in the following time, or he must be hanged :-(



Another interesting fact is, that i wanted to kill mocsta. Now we have to look who was there at the time, who didnt unvote me and who tried to convince me not to kill mocsta
....
pandain? ;-)


yeah yeah I was wrong ok
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 01:33 GMT
#2761
I think both Oats and BH are scum so I don't really have an issue with either being lynched
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 01:43 GMT
#2777
On November 18 2013 10:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
Can anyone convince me that mocsta and oatsmaster would talk to eachother like that as a scum team? otherwise I don't buy oats being scum at all.


I don't think it's impossible Oats distances himself a lot as scum.
But yeah it would be pretty ballsy since Oats basically disagrees with everything Mocsta says.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 01:48 GMT
#2784
On November 18 2013 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think he promised reads on the resolution period which he obviously failed to deliver. So i don't give a fuck what he says about Mocsta now.

what is this about
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 01:53 GMT
#2787
Actually if I'm wrong about BH then I'm going to be wrong in a lot of stuff and have to basically rethink everything I think about mafia.

hmmm
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 02:04 GMT
#2792
On November 18 2013 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't think mocsta even mentions BH once, so between that and the 2 trackers poppin' up he looks like trash. Why you have your vote on oats over that is beyond me pandain.

mocsta kinda confirms supersoft as town as well through his filter, although this one isn't as strong. But I am slowly shrinking my list rapidly with all the info from mocsta's filter.



As I said I think they're both scum, not that Oats is scum and I've changed my mind on BH.

I'm just debating who to choose between BH and Oats.

I disagree that he wouldn't be able to call out Mocsta on a lot of things especially since Mocsta really wasn't a top priority for basically the entire thread. Also I've strangely turned and trust SS over myself a lot now. The main thing about Oats that I'm thinking is that he really isn't aggressive to anyone(besides maybe Mocsta but he isn't even that arguable). He didn't push any lynches, he was just like commentarical aggressive.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 02:17 GMT
#2793
I am more confident in BH
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 03:19 GMT
#2797
On November 18 2013 08:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
panda i'll vouch for bh. he's been townily cooperative in mason chat


Can you talk about your mason chat now?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 03:23 GMT
#2799
Why
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 03:26 GMT
#2801
It's not like scum only say scummy things and he has been more scummy then he has townie. He basically said Grack was scum(easy bait), cast slight suspicion on Yamato, and actually noting this it's pretty obvious he didn't do any analysis because he only went after notable people. And people who have been talked about before.

You also still think Austin is scum and didn't explain
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 03:33 GMT
#2804
Austin has been fine.
He has been pushing people and giving opinions and putting effort in. Without him thread would probably have like 20 pages less.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 03:47 GMT
#2814
On November 18 2013 12:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 12:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
BH is likely red given the fact 3 trackers would be a bit much. Also given his insane lack of serious contributions this game would put him very likely in the scum camp.


you think BH as scum just lol-claimed tracker D1?


He's claimed survivor and cop before in scum games.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 03:48 GMT
#2815
BC I noted something interesting in our mason chat
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 03:56 GMT
#2822
On November 18 2013 12:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
timeline timeline timeline...BH claimed tracker before 2 flipped on the nightpost, which nobody knew was going to happen. Order of events always seems to be something overlooked.

So what do you think it means
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 04:51 GMT
#2848
I think I have a better understanding of fake-claims then anyone to be honest, don't know how often BH did it after I stopped playing in 2012 but early 2012 and 2011 and maybe even 2010 I was fakeclaiming like every single game. I would fake-breadcrumb or fake-slip days in advance. I would do it as town or scum and use my hellish fakeclaims to my advantage as either alignment.

You eventually realize, like I'm sure BH has, that fakeclaims are really only useful as scum. If you're town, they only cast doubt on you. You can sometimes use it(claiming cop) to lynch someone, or try to draw roleblocks/shots.

However BH wouldn't just let himself die because I would imagine he has a high opinion of himself. Furthermore, he's past the days of claiming for shots/roleblocks because it's not that useful in this game. A fakeclaim for him would make sense if he was Vet, but it actually makes even further sense if you have a history of fake-claims and thus can make up a town reason for a scum fakeclaim.

Rather then his fake-claim itself being scum, I'm actually changing my mind and saying the more scummy aspects are his timings and his poor un-town play outside of the claim. Him running for mayor and sticking to a typical BH RNG lynch do not help him, we all know BH by now would support an RNG claim.

He later followed up his play with a scum read on Grack(wrong and easy to make) and warned you against Yamato(some people thought this, I never did, his reasons were weak anyway and circumstansial).

I don't think trackers dying prove anything because BH has never been a tracker. Re-reading my games, I'm remembering how to fake-claim.

Also I've realized that I need to stop being a stubborn asshole and think about my reads so right now everyone but these people I have reads on, which is why I haven't responded you on austinmcc because I've realized there's more to it then I've thought.

Town:
Supersoft

Scum:
Blazinghand

There might be someone better then BH but I'll look at it later, but even if he's telling you he's vet, vt, or assasin, scum do that all the time. I did that all the time when I was scum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 04:51 GMT
#2850
Ignore my third paragraph except for the first sentence and last sentence
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 18 2013 04:55 GMT
#2858
There is a chance BH is town fakeclaiming for 'town's' benefit.

But there's a smaller chance when it's a scummy BH fakeclaiming for town's benefit.
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