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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 16 2013 17:48 GMT
#1721
Honestly I think Onegu is town and trolling. His other content has been fine and I'm not getting any scum filters just *sigh* senses.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 16 2013 17:50 GMT
#1722
i would be completely ok with VE and YAM be #1 and #2

i'll vote yam for that reason

Yam where you at with BC currently
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 16 2013 17:50 GMT
#1723
Pandain. Rayn scum? Yay/Nay?
I had a good night of sleep.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#1724
On November 17 2013 02:50 Mattchew wrote:
i would be completely ok with VE and YAM be #1 and #2

i'll vote yam for that reason

Yam where you at with BC currently

Read the thread.
Writer@WriterYamato
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 16 2013 17:56 GMT
#1725
Artanis, you around still? If yes, I would like to play some volleyball.

On November 16 2013 22:55 Mig wrote:
Who asked marvel how many of each role there were?
If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with.

On November 16 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch?
Trolling or is this an actual thought?
Fe fi fo fum.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 16 2013 17:56 GMT
#1726
On November 16 2013 19:26 Blazinghand wrote:
its because the theatrical release

1) ruined the MD Device
2) ruined petra
3) ruined command school
3 again) ruined ender randomly murdering people
4) ruined everything

Thank you for this, you saved me $12

Spaghetticus, I generally agree with you but on SuperSoft I saw little reason to be so bothered by his snark. Which is just personal preference and unimportant.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 16 2013 18:00 GMT
#1727
On November 16 2013 19:39 OOHCHILD wrote:
Mig
StorrZerg
hiro protagonist
austinmcc
Risen
yamato77
Alakaslam
BlazingHand

i can explain any of these. probably only a good idea to ask for those explanations if you think for some reason im scum though

Incredibly high confidence level.

I question the last read and the second to last (OFC), I also question Yamato and Austin.

I also read none of these people any worse than null except BH, who is only unhelpful to the game which is very, very slightly scummy and that is only time comparative.

But fire away
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 16 2013 18:02 GMT
#1728
Spaghetticus,

I see your read on VE. I would recommend putting it on the back burner for now, and posting about some more varied topics. Like you did in your initial big post, but just...actively posting smaller things on a variety of topics and not hammering VE.

I'd like to ask you about Grack and BC. In your initial post, you agreed with BC that grack was likely scum and hadn't been doing anything very useful. You liked BC.
Grack:
The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that:
- Grack does not care (useless town)
- Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely)
- Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely)
- Grack is scum (most likely)
The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord.

Yamato lynching BC:
I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable.
Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC.
That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull.


I know you also said you didn't want BC mayor, that he was not mayor not lynch for you, but later you say
Hmmm I'm not comfortable with BC


What are your current thoughts on BC and grack?

Also, there are 6 players with S names. Apart from yourself, which S name is towniest/scummiest?
Fe fi fo fum.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 16 2013 18:03 GMT
#1729
I think Rayn is scum, yes. I also now think Mig is scum. I think Vayne is scum too he's playing like in ##.

If anyone were to vote those, especially the last two, I would support them.
Downgrading my reads of Hopeless since I guess I'll wait more for him and also still think Storr is playing so weird yet need to think about what it means.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 16 2013 18:03 GMT
#1730
So sharrnt is scum and should be the person lynched. First he says rayn is scum, then the next post is rayn as a town read with no reason. Then when he gives his scum reads he says from least sure to most sure, but when he gets to the last one that should be the most scummy, its 2 people and he then says one of them is town no matter what, and the other is scum only if the post isnt true....

On November 15 2013 23:30 Sharrant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 12:13 austinmcc wrote:
rayn, risen, and sharrant, I want to sit down and chat with you guys. Individually, for the most part.

rayn
(1) Are you town?
(2) Please unpack this statement:
On November 15 2013 10:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yo Pandain i like that you didn't like Sharrant. Dat post you brought up was pretty bad.
What, in particular, did you not like about that post? Does the rest of sharrant's filter do anything for you?

risen
(1) Honest question, you believe this entirely or is it half for poops and giggles?
On November 15 2013 10:23 Risen wrote:
On November 15 2013 10:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh Risen was really funny but it doesn't make him anything alignment-wise. :p

I'm pretty clearly not anything alignment-wise. So why say this? It's a continuation of a list post? Cool. In that case...

Read as: soft pushing a VE who has an open town read on me in thread. Rayn knows he can't come out with a town read on me because I would pounce on him. From rayn's PoV what do you do with a town Risen prone to jumping on those who support him? Try and direct his attention to the person in the thread who has called him town without actually being the one pointing the finger.

TL;DR: Lynch rayn. VE is null because my ego says he's town. I like being nominated for things and I'm still salty no one thought to nominate me for my dominant play in World Heavyweight Championship.

(2) Beyond that, plox to tell me about Hiro's followup plan: + Show Spoiler +
On November 15 2013 09:35 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, well, out side of my policy lynch, how bout we talk about the positives of a pardner lynch:

*We kill off a pro scum role.
*It gets people to vote for not just the mayor, but who should be lynched. this means there will be more scumhunting day 1 and less dick wagging.

Do you think this is sensible? If you were scumrisen, what's the first way that comes to mind to abuse this plan, assuming everyone was going to follow it?

Sharrant
(1) Please unpack this statement:
On November 15 2013 09:17 Sharrant wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 15 2013 09:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
My FOOLPROOF mayor candidacy Plan™:

step 1: Vote for me for mayor ^__^
step 2: Vote OOHCHILD* for pardner. + Show Spoiler +
Sorry VE, I lied about you being my running mate

step 3: I lynch OOHCHILD, taking out a polrizing player, and a pro-scum role day 1.

+ Show Spoiler +
*I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper
*I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan.


##Vote: hiro protagonist

Ewwww...aww hiro why? WHY?!

You remember prplhz right? Dude. Policy-lynch is my scum-tell for him. AND YOU GUYS PLAY WITH A SIMILAR MINDSET!!!

I THINK I WANT TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST!!!!


I actually kind of like the thought going into the plan.

How serious are you about wanting to lynch him?
Specifically what thoughts do you see, and what do you like about them. I don't care about VE wanting to lynch hiro here, just your thoughts on hiro's thoughts, and on hiro's plan.

(2) What do you think about Hiro's followup, voting such that the D1 mayoral lynch would be 2nd in votes, would get the pardoner role, and would get whacked?


1) I thought it was a pretty good idea, I certainly hadn't thought of it. I disagree strongly with the Kush policy lynch, but I really liked the idea of killing the pardoner with the mayor. I got a town lean off of that post, but his followup saying that he wanted to do this as either alignment before the game started put it back to null.

2) I think if we can come to a consensus about who we want as mayor, we should put his lynch up to the second vote spot so we do eliminated the pardoner. If the race is too close, obviously that plan will not work though.

__________________________

@VE
I still want to know what you actually meant with your post on Hiro. If you answered it somewhere, I didn't see it (and I'd appreciate it if you could point it out), but you've referenced me several times and not clarified it. Getting annoying.

__________________________

If I were going to lynch someone right now, it would be Rayn. We had a big thing in the first day of whichever game we played together (Boardwalk maybe?) before we eventually settled on both of us being town. I'm surprised to see him jump on such a non-issue.

To clarify for you, Rayn. Of the people that had posted at that time, VE was by far the towniest, and the only townie looking player who I would consider for mayor. Supersoft and BC are both players that I would consider for mayor, but they had not posted, so they were null. But those 3 are the basics of who I would consider to elect mayor unless someone really puts forth something impressive.

Still surprised you said my post seemed "too serious" since you've played with me before.

Side note: I think you're way too confident in LoneMeow being town. I see his mason choice as pretty much entirely null at this point. This is suspicious to me.

__________________________

Since it was a bit of a conversation earlier, and I love talking about myself:

Saying I get mislynched every game is pretty accurate. Maybe I misread but it sounded like someone said I was lynched as scum in some game, I've never rolled scum.

On November 15 2013 23:37 Sharrant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 23:34 Holyflare wrote:
On November 15 2013 23:30 Sharrant wrote:


__________________________

@VE
I still want to know what you actually meant with your post on Hiro. If you answered it somewhere, I didn't see it (and I'd appreciate it if you could point it out), but you've referenced me several times and not clarified it. Getting annoying.

__________________________



+ Show Spoiler +
On November 15 2013 12:38 Holyflare wrote:
@VE

you talked about how hiro has a similar mindset to prplhz here: + Show Spoiler +
On November 15 2013 09:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 09:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
My FOOLPROOF mayor candidacy Plan™:

step 1: Vote for me for mayor ^__^
step 2: Vote OOHCHILD* for pardner. + Show Spoiler +
Sorry VE, I lied about you being my running mate

step 3: I lynch OOHCHILD, taking out a polrizing player, and a pro-scum role day 1.

+ Show Spoiler +
*I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper
*I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan.


##Vote: hiro protagonist

Ewwww...aww hiro why? WHY?!

You remember prplhz right? Dude. Policy-lynch is my scum-tell for him. AND YOU GUYS PLAY WITH A SIMILAR MINDSET!!!

I THINK I WANT TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST!!!!



How certain were you of this point or was it just a jokey remark? I ask this because after you had already criticised him of this he still continued posting more policy lynching, just in a different light, re:pardoner lynching.



his reply was: + Show Spoiler +
On November 15 2013 12:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 12:38 Holyflare wrote:
@VE

you talked about how hiro has a similar mindset to prplhz here: + Show Spoiler +
On November 15 2013 09:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 09:12 hiro protagonist wrote:
My FOOLPROOF mayor candidacy Plan™:

step 1: Vote for me for mayor ^__^
step 2: Vote OOHCHILD* for pardner. + Show Spoiler +
Sorry VE, I lied about you being my running mate

step 3: I lynch OOHCHILD, taking out a polrizing player, and a pro-scum role day 1.

+ Show Spoiler +
*I reserve the right to lynch someone other than OHHCHILD should a better target apper
*I reserve the right to vote for a strong scumhunter for mayor who follows this plan.


##Vote: hiro protagonist

Ewwww...aww hiro why? WHY?!

You remember prplhz right? Dude. Policy-lynch is my scum-tell for him. AND YOU GUYS PLAY WITH A SIMILAR MINDSET!!!

I THINK I WANT TO LYNCH HIRO PROTAGONIST!!!!



How certain were you of this point or was it just a jokey remark? I ask this because after you had already criticised him of this he still continued posting more policy lynching, just in a different light, re:pardoner lynching.

It was a srs but not srs kind of thing. I do think he and prplhz play similarly and think about the game in a similar way. However no, I'd never base a lynch solely on this. It was tongue in cheek because I was saying I wanted to lynch Hiro for suggest a policy lynch - as policy.

My humor is really dry, sorry guys.






Wonderful! Thank you for finding that for me.

Thank you for the clarification, VE, I had thought it was a joke post, but I wanted to be sure. :-)

VE, how do you feel about lynching Rayn?




Then the very next post is.

On November 16 2013 22:46 Sharrant wrote:
Sorry, this is going to be slightly list-y but I need a good way to organize my thoughts.



Townies:

Me
VE
Rayn
Yamato
Alakaslam
Kush
(SS and BC, though with some hesitation)




Most likely mafia (least to most):
Hopeless1der: His posts about his activity read to me as very flat, and apathetic. I see "Oh, no. My internet is out. What ever shall I do? Woe is me. And now I am the busy. (Hahaha, sweet, I don't have to post)" rather than "Fuck! My internet got cut off for most of that time, and now I'm busy this weekend. This fucking sucks".

He's my weakest mafia read, but strong enough I'm comfortable with his lynch.

BlazingHand: Wants to random lynch Vayne (null), but his filter is made up of only three things: talking about random lynching, making small digs at other players, out of game talk. He has several posts but all he has said is "RNG Vayne, Risen Town". Would lynch in a heart beat because he seems to want to talk about anything but the game in progress.

(HolyFlare/LoneMeow): I've thought HolyFlare looked scummy for most of the game, but this post:

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:45 yamato77 wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato reveal the secrets your masonry keeps hidden from the rest of us. TELL ME WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT LONEMEOW!!!

he wants to know what I think about rayn

i haven't really invested much time paying attention to rayn

That usually pays out in the end man. Is that it? Like, just asking you about rayn? Do you think he's town or scum based on your interactions?

there's not much to base it off of

honestly, with how super and I talked about it earlier, I think LM is town and it's not worth fretting over



I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again.



Reads as very townie to me. (I haven't checked if it's true yet, that's for later) but it makes me pretty confident in a LM lynch if it's true, or an HF lynch if it's not. (In the case that it's true AND LM flips town, I am left unsure of what I would think of HF, but probably still townie off of that post.)


@VE
Aside from the fact that you want to lynch me I'd be inclined to vote for you. So please ask me whatever you'd like so you can realize I'm town, and move on to lynching mafia.

Elsewise I'll have to go with someone I'm not as confident in.



And check out that HF/LM case....
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
November 16 2013 18:04 GMT
#1731
BC grack OOH can all die. BH too but not for alignment reasons
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 16 2013 18:08 GMT
#1732
On November 17 2013 02:56 austinmcc wrote:
Artanis, you around still? If yes, I would like to play some volleyball.

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 22:55 Mig wrote:
Who asked marvel how many of each role there were?
If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with.

Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch?
Trolling or is this an actual thought?

I'm in for a game of volleyball. What do you make of BC?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 16 2013 18:08 GMT
#1733
Onegu there are 23 hours between those 2 sharrant posts.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
November 16 2013 18:10 GMT
#1734
Is yamato really town? Just read his filter. Not impressed. Why does he have so many votes?
I had a good night of sleep.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
November 16 2013 18:11 GMT
#1735
On November 16 2013 21:55 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 10:35 Alakaslam wrote:
It's amazing how many pages two players duking it out creates.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF CAREERS LIMIT ATTACKS AND DEFENSES TO 3 POSTS OR SPOILER YOUR CONFRONTATIONS. THEY REALLY MEAN NOTHING UNTIL WE FEEL LIKE CHECKING IT OUT. FILTER FILTER FILTER! ENOUGH BS INTIMIDATING LAZY TOWN, THIS IS A BIG GAME DONT BE SELFISH SOB OR @SCUM, HAHA I TROLL U BACK STFU NOW

I do this because almost page 100 day one

Here is an example for all the hotheads, press quote and read to see the formatting:


@Storrzerg
+ Show Spoiler +
Attack bs


@Bloodycobbler
+ Show Spoiler +
Defense bs



Yeah sorry slam since I am posting always from a tablet Im to lazy to do the work this entails so you will have to deal with it.

NO DUDE

I HAVE A FEELING AN IPHONE 4S IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN YOUR TABLET

jk I know it's tough and I had been phone posting on TL for at least a year prior to mafia, I don't expect others to make such a smooth transition. But believe me it is possible, the hardest thing with a phone is to upload images (read: can't be done- can only use google)
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 16 2013 18:13 GMT
#1736
I actually thought BC was slightly townie. His posts about mayor were very townie IMO. There are a few points I am going to bring up and he should answer though. First after people bring up that storrzerg has played in recent newbies he kept attacking people who called storr a newb, I thought he was a bit agressive in doing so but not in a scummy way.

@BC what is the difference between grack trolling and supersoft trolling? And who else is scum besides storr and grack?

I still have to go over his filter but what I remember from just reading thread SS was uber agressive and trolling.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 16 2013 18:14 GMT
#1737
On November 17 2013 03:08 Koshi wrote:
Onegu there are 23 hours between those 2 sharrant posts.



But he give no reason for his change
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
November 16 2013 18:18 GMT
#1738
Im going over everyones filter in order and takeing notes, if anything stickes out like sharrant I will post in thread, if not Ill just put it in a normal post before I sleep.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 16 2013 18:20 GMT
#1739
On November 17 2013 03:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:56 austinmcc wrote:
Artanis, you around still? If yes, I would like to play some volleyball.

On November 16 2013 22:55 Mig wrote:
Who asked marvel how many of each role there were?
If you mean the specific numbers for each faction, that's me. I didn't see it in the OP and wanted to know what size team we're dealing with.

On November 16 2013 19:31 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't understand your reasoning for not wanting BC to be mayor. if he's scum wouldn't it put him in the spotlight and make him easier to catch?
Trolling or is this an actual thought?

I'm in for a game of volleyball. What do you make of BC?
Still of the mind that his big post on grack/storr is not something to draw a read off of. I don't know about you, i THINK it was Acrofales and not you that I was scum with once and we were chatting about opportunities to make very townie housecleaning/scumhunting posts in the middle of shitfights while being scum.

HolyFlare and...was it rayn? Yes. Were fighting, being spammy, trying to take control of the thread and rayn was really trying to get discussion centered on his HF case. There were a LOT of folks not being examined yet, it was early, and I think BC as town OR scum would notice that thread really needs a half-decent case at someone in that un-examined group to (a) turn discussion towards something more fruitful and (b) get AWAY from rayn/HF.

It's not scummy to do that, but it's not as townie as other people make it out to be.


The rest of his filter...there's a lot of side stuff. Discussions over ss and VE mayoral candidacies. Questioning yamato's townieness re mayor/pardonership. Apart from his one sizeable reads post, I see way more discussion of side issues or sniping at little things than I like. Towniest thing in his filter for me is him pointing you towards a specific grack game to read. But for all his posts, there isn't much of substance.

Certainly don't want him elected, mildly scummy on him. Just way too much about hating trolls, skorr not being a noob, hopeless not having contributed enough, who should be mayor, it's all...not scumhunty, and it rarely/never leads anywhere.


My turn. If I may, let's mix things up a little. BOTH ONEGU AND HOLYFLARE, GO!
Fe fi fo fum.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
November 16 2013 18:24 GMT
#1740
Well you guys post way too much, so I'm doing the people up for election before I get back to completely reading the thread.

The post on p6 of VE's filter worries me (where he explains why he's ok with Yam as pardoner. The logic in that post comes off as contradictory to me. He's ok with Yam using the ability if he deems it pro-town because using the ability will provide info yet he doesn't want to reveal his top choice for lynch because scum can either encourage a mislynch or sway him off of a scum lynch.

What about the info gained from pushes leading up to the lynch? Why is that less valuable than the info gained from a pardoner when at the end of the day VE still controls the lynch and it's essentially free info?

Advocating the possible use of an ability that in most circumstances is anti-town while not even planning to use the role he wants to generate info leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Other than that I didn't see anything that would make me not want to vote him, but can you help me understand your thought process there VE?
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