Context: VE has been giving a town vibe to most, including until recently, myself. Skimming the thread he seems to post a lot, and not done anything particularly scummy. It is the accumulation of microswings that has me suspicious. He is currently winning the election, the threat on the table to have him as mayor, and yamato as pardoner. I do not want either of these things to happen.
I’m not trying to get him lynched, as I see him as not a threat if scum. He’s giving information too easily so far for him to not be caught. I just want him to not be mayor, and you should too.
VE has an eight page filter, which is appropriate since he’s running for mayor. The density of useful information is low, which is not at all appropriate.
Page 1
First half page is pregame chatter
Second half he launches his platform for candidacy. His platform essentially promises that he will lynch someone, but won’t commit to anything. Good politics, but does not give town anything to work with.
He then gives a town read and a thumbs up to yamato, but this is no big deal since yamato is pretty much confirmed town.
Page 2
He doesn't like SS's tone, which I agree with, but is fairly easy pickings.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2013 09:07 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 09:05 supersoft wrote:
Btw.: Everyone who votes anyone else than mig, BC or myself is playing antitown.
I don't even consider giving my vote anyone else.
Fuck this. This is garbage.
He defends his townread on yamato
He reprimands yamato's scumcall on Super. Honestly I'd be tempted to call scum here too, but I don't know super. Supersoft's idea that he should be mayor so as he does not get NKed isn't entirely stupid if he has that particular history, that his thinking that we should just agree with him when we don't know his alignment is blatantly retarded.
I don't know what I think of lynching Kush yet because Kush hasn't arrived. So I have no opinion of your platform as yet.
This seems fake. Even I know of the infamous Kush, and I know that what he does in thread is always going to be difficult to read. People should use policies to deal with unreadable wildcards, not openmindedness.
Page 3
He townreads HF from a probable pregame constructed pitch. Sounds like someone trying to sound like he has an opinion.
He defends his perspective by saying the point line up with his own pitch, and he knows he's town and so can infer HF's townishess. This should not convince anyone considering the likelihood that the points were made prior to roles being allotted, and the defense is circular logic that relies on us thinking him already town.
I do think that the defense does have a egocentric townish gleam to it, but this does little to counter the fact that he endorsed another player for reasons a critical town mind should have considered and rejected. He later addresses this criticism by saying it's possible it was written ingame, but since he does not have that information, this claim is an agnostic one, and does little to justify his town claim which really should come under fire. Scum like to look like town by making reads, but they don't like having to go through the motions of justifying that rationale since that's so much effort wasted.
This was a scummy move and it demands more explanation. He then makes this happen:
On November 15 2013 10:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like that people are talking about Sharrant as well. Yes, this is most excellent.
Which is an instance I spoke about previously but could not recall who had been in this hunt. I still do not know who he refers to, as I am diving his filter ATM, but this looks like scum seeing that time is being wasted, and encouraging it. At this point, Sharrane had said nothing alignment indicative. they weren't even the least active player, as I hadn't posted yet.
People that cherrypick specific but ultimately unjustifiable scumhunting to endorse, but do bugger-all scumhubting themselves, despite having quite probably the largest filter in the game, are not think about what's best for town. People that are not thinking about what's best for town, are not good town. or not town at all. People that are not good town should not be mayor.
Page 4
He sets up an irrational reason to butt heads with Mocsta if need be.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 15 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 11:06 Mocsta wrote:Firstly,
I am announcing my intention to run for mayor.
My campaign is a simple one.
I will play my normal game: pressure/hunt scum openly in the thread.
This person will then create the justification for my votes as mayor.
Having said that, the goal of this game is not to lynch scum day1, but to lynch scum repeatedly.
If an alternative <more popular> candidate will lynch my day1 target, then; I am willing to step down.
Secondly,
Once there are two or three front-runners for the mayor candidacy (perhaps in 24hrs time), we need to start discussing how to handle the pardoner situation.
The typical solutions are:
(1) Put the day1 lynch target as pardoner, so we remove the role from the game
(2) If there is a very-strong town read on someone worth NK'n, make them the pardoner so they get the NK protection.
As stated before, there is no point discussing this until the game develops more.
Lastly,
I present my best read:
On November 15 2013 08:35 Mig wrote:
For the people who are actually serious about running for mayor, what is going to be your day 1 lynch strategy? Vote for a lurker/go with your gut/town consensus/etc?
On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote:
Kill people who claim to be mafia
claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active)
hunt scum
lynch them with fire
This conversation stuck out to me, enough to warrant a filter-dive.Its hard to give an opinion on Mig. What he said is pro-town, but its also the general spiel either alignment can spew.
Will need to see more from Mig to form an opinion, however.....
What I am more concerned about is Storrzerg.
Specifically:
On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote:
claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active)
The justification presented for an rng lynch (" it keeps people active") is a' token gesture' at best, and 'devoid of any responsibility' at worst. --> I deem this to irrevocably satisfy scum motivations.
Compare Storrzerg to Hogwarts.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=41#814+ Show Spoiler +On October 18 2013 05:51 StorrZerg wrote:i still think sn0 man is the best lynch atm
Firstly his Stance on HufflePuff
Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 05:11 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hufflepuffs r dweebs.
Syllo's scum tho based on sucking up ro somtheing
Such a think is uncalled for specifically since "Hufflepuff has produced the fewest Dark wizards of all the four Houses, if any."
Thus my scum meeter was going nuts, now this isn't enough for a day 1 lynch but it is a very good start.
After I called him out, he ignored me and made this very weird post.
Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
Theres a certain amount of scum motivation to not trying the pickup line challenge simply because you feel like another house could be influenced more easily by scum. Since a scum player would know which house had the most scummers in it (and/or the least strong town)
Again, this post just read really weird to me.
So i checked his post history in previous games, and imo doesn't line up with his town. (usually he has more effort into his posts longer posts etc) He hadn't done anything till i called him out which his next post was
Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:17 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 17 2013 08:16 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 08:15 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 08:05 Skanjab1s wrote:On October 17 2013 08:01 I-be-Pro wrote:
Anyways, that's it for me, have to wake up in 7 hours again. Something that might be interesting from my QT or might just be plainly nothing:
Skanjab1s asked if I am I-be-Pro (I called myself Toad in the QT... sry) - nothing wrong with this one at all, despite my recent attacks against him.
snowman answered that question with a positive (trying to rephrase here...)
Think he has been reading the thread and is actively lurking atm. Make of that what you want. I don't have the time to type any more tonight, sry.
If you think is nothing wrong with it, then why bother posting it at all? Seems rather pointless, no?
It's how I play d1. I make a big deal out of very minor things to make people talk about things happening in the thread instead of talking about politics/house-quests or whatever else. The intention is to get some reactions from people and have a quick start into d1. Some people have to start the discussion somehow and I usually take that as my job on d1.
Means I'm usually a big meanie on d1 and I'm often times stating things that look like nothing to people and they're hardly anything else to me most of the time as well. But I find that a lot better than having a discussion the first 24 hours about some weird plan of someone because people have to commit somewhat the way I'm doing things.
I might add it is currently working but now I'm really sleeping
So your plan for catching scum is "post things that aren't important, because then people will talk about unimportant things and that will give me reads"
Why don't you 1-up him by posting important things?
He then pretty much goes dark after that.
I will conclude my thoughts with he is none other than Slytherin scum.
(btw this just so happens to have the house with the most notorious dark wizards in our world. He is very well a puppet to his parents)
ps
die scum
In one of his first posts he plays balls-to-the-wall and presents a scum read with analysis.
In this game we get:
On November 15 2013 08:36 StorrZerg wrote:
yamato77 will have to back me as well.
he knows that I hunt for scum.
also we should lynch people who claim mafia, 100% pro town tip
Generic spiel + potential scum slip.
The town mentality is " hunt scum"
Hunting "for" scum, as a first post is.. interesting
On November 15 2013 08:38 StorrZerg wrote:On November 15 2013 08:35 Mig wrote:
For the people who are actually serious about running for mayor, what is going to be your day 1 lynch strategy? Vote for a lurker/go with your gut/town consensus/etc?
Kill people who claim to be mafia
claim rng for first lynch (prob not but need to keep people active)hunt scum
lynch them with fire
As explained prior, RNG for lynch does not share congruence with his attitude to "hunt scum"
But is congruent with "hunting
for scum"
On November 15 2013 08:43 StorrZerg wrote:On November 15 2013 08:38 yamato77 wrote:On November 15 2013 08:35 Mig wrote:
For the people who are actually serious about running for mayor, what is going to be your day 1 lynch strategy? Vote for a lurker/go with your gut/town consensus/etc?
We could reasonably select mayors based on how much we like their lynch choices.
That will be my main platform, anyway. Any political support I give should I step out of the race would have to be to a player I think is actually going to lynch mafia.
How about an active guy?
a guy that is looking out for the town because he is town!
time to let some fresh blood lead the town straight and true
im the clear and easy town read, no chance to be scum. More generic spiel. Since when is activity an indicator of alignment for the majority of players?
On November 15 2013 09:50 StorrZerg wrote:Joke
ill be great
whywon't peoplee let the scrub give it a goI'll try and make a bigger impact tomorrow, today is just not good for posting
First he wants to be mayor due to "hunting for scum"
Secondly, his justification is "to give a scrub a shot".
Thirdly, Playing the n00b card??
Storrzerg clearly has no motivation to scum hunt.
I get that his posting was early Day1 -- perhaps there was nothing to "focus" on.
However, each of his posts has exhibited a mindset not conducive to finding scum, let alone lynch scum.
His platform is a RNG lynch hidden behind newbie undertones, and ultimately:
where I stand currently with my mayor target is:
Storrzerg No matter what you do or say, I won't vote you for mayor this game because I hold grudges and last time I gave you the benefit of the doubt I got burned when an ounce of the same from you could have swung the game in our favor; get punished for that act now and it is expunged.
That being said, I'm interested to see StorrZerg actually provide some content before deciding whether I think he's mafia - content with regard to others' alignment and what he thinks about it.
For a town there is no reason for this, for a mafia, this is a justification to be unreasonable later. Not a town move.
He defends Storrzerg from Mocsta, on some fluff laden ground that he may not be new to the game, but is new to the format or some such. Bullshit. I'm way newer than that guys and I'm not shiteating my way into a BPvest by newbclaiming. I din't agree with some of Moc's points, but Storrzerg's noob-spiel was scummy as shit. Claiming otherwise requires remarkable reasoning that is yet to be provided.
VE then starts waving sticks at Grack. I don't feel good about Grack, so this is justified in my eyes, but it's damn low-hanging fruit.
+ Show Spoiler +Even if they are scum team (which I personally need to really consider as I think them both scummy on individual merit), they both know Grack isn't surviving until the end. VE's mayor platform names Grack as a candidate, but vehemently refuses to lock down to one target as this might give scum information. By not naming anyone, a mayor VE can put off killing Grack for 1-3 days easy, maximising confusion and killing the town clock.
He then starts making a show of playing nice with Oats (this may have been happening for awhile, my view from the filter is limited). If he didn't make a show of it, I'd get a town read. That he made a show of it, makes is premeditated and worthless in terms of alignment indication.
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He asks Mocsta about Storrzerg, Grack, and HF. More getting other people to do his hunting/reasoning/justification.
Note: Why even ask about Grack? I may be being a little narrow-minded, but Grack's status seems objectively unmisinterpretable? If you're town, why ask questions to which you already know the answers?
More fluff
Page 6
At the top of page 6 of his filter, VE launches his campaign anew, which I think is a good idea if you're planning on evolving to suit your demographic. Good politics.
His lynch list is anyone of four people, which IMO is cowardly, though in some ways reasonable. He denies scum info, but doesn't have to make any promises. I personally do not like this, and I have already covered how this could be a powerful scum maneuver. Personally I'm confident I know who he will lynch if he is town, and if it is that obvious then scum could know and it's just poor town play.
For reference, his list is Grackaroni, Storrzerg, Sharrant, and Skanjab1s
In the same post, he encourages yamato to be an active pardoner, which I think looks scummy. Yamato was straight up and honest about his views on this, and his honesty is making things nice and clear for town that we don't want him as pardoner. Ve is encouraging someone to make anti-town actions, and will later be able to criticise the specifics of those actions if they turn out poorly. "I wanted you to use the power, but not to save a scummer!'
He then, over the course of defending his decision to back yamato as pardoner, realises that both the mayor and pardoner get vests. I don't know what to make of this, I could probably paint this red, but I don't thinks it's indicative.
Nudges yamato for mason information. More externalising the hunt.
He adds Pardain to the list. I don't know how I feel about the fact that it's Pardain, since to my knowledge Pardain has not done anything noteworthy. I do not like that he's further expanding his lynch options.
Gives BC and Mocsta a town read.
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His new list: Skanjab, Pandain, and Sharrant.
Are you kidding? I though Grack the obvious pick since the rest were no names.. Storrzerg is still on my to-do list, but he's not nearly of the same magnitude of scumminess as Grack. Now he's taken off both my scummy picks to put up a solid list of people of whom I do not recall a single thing? Sure they're not confirmed town, but how about an actual case for anyone of them being scum?
Conclusion:
The game VE plays is entirely political. He's keeping options open, and manipulating the town environment. He hasn't made any reasonable plays at cases, just held up lures to see which bait will get him elected. "Will any of you vote for me if I say that I might lynch X?"
He hasn't done any town work that demonstrates town thought. He's shaped our hunt under the guise of pro-town sentiment. He's not putting himself in a position to be held accountable for his actions. He's no longer even contemplating lynching anyone I think particularly scummy. He's been very active but achieved very little.
I think him scummy, but not necessarily a day 1 lynch. His momentum will get him caught if I am right and he is scum, but in the immediate, I absolutely do not want this person as my mayor. This is even more important, in that VE getting mayor puts Yamato as pardoner. I don't mind Yamato as mayor nearly as much as I do VE, but I'm happy for him to be out of the running entirely if someone else can step up.
EPT
