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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 18 2013 07:21 GMT
#2960
it's not clear to me why grack is suddenly a bad lynch btw
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 18 2013 07:26 GMT
#2966
On November 18 2013 16:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:21 Blazinghand wrote:
it's not clear to me why grack is suddenly a bad lynch btw

because Grackaronis are always town.


dude this is 100% the type of thing that BH and I talked about in qt. you randomly go from serious to trolling and it looks like you're switching between them based on whatever is going to help you be ignored or not taken seriously. I asked you a question a page or two ago, can you get to it

Yeah let's do grack today honestly he's just doing this thing to stay off the radar.

##vote grackaroni
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 18 2013 07:32 GMT
#2971
On November 18 2013 16:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 16:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:22 Grackaroni wrote:
On November 18 2013 16:21 Blazinghand wrote:
it's not clear to me why grack is suddenly a bad lynch btw

because Grackaronis are always town.


dude this is 100% the type of thing that BH and I talked about in qt. you randomly go from serious to trolling and it looks like you're switching between them based on whatever is going to help you be ignored or not taken seriously. I asked you a question a page or two ago, can you get to it

Yeah let's do grack today honestly he's just doing this thing to stay off the radar.

##vote grackaroni


yea ok

so you think mocsta was bussing?


I think so. in a moc/grack/foo scumteam, grack is a weak link. Moc wants to live for multiple days and get his shots off, so it's a reasonable bus. It also ties in with grack's playstyle, the troll-serious-troll thing. Moc can back off his bus if he needs to, saying "oh that was grack trolling" or something, or he can ramp up the pressure if he thinks a grack lynch is coming, and he wants credit. Both are reasonable. It's a pretty flexible bus and it makes sense with the moc role.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 18 2013 07:35 GMT
#2974
well look at grack's play, oats. I'm completely serious here. if you had a scummate playing like this (link) and you are a 2-shot vigi isn't a bus the most sensible play?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 18 2013 07:39 GMT
#2979
On November 18 2013 16:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On November 18 2013 16:35 Blazinghand wrote:
well look at grack's play, oats. I'm completely serious here. if you had a scummate playing like this (link) and you are a 2-shot vigi isn't a bus the most sensible play?

The point I'm making is that scum Grack doesnt play like that.
I dont even. What. What.
Is this a scumslip?


I'm not a 2-shot scum vigi and if I were I would never slip it in a post.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 18 2013 07:39 GMT
#2980
Also, scumslips aren't real. Again.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 18 2013 07:45 GMT
#2988
Yeah I have a strong townread on thrawn at this point. I think if thrawn wanted to, after masoning me last night, he could have pushed for my lynch easily today, and even gotten some credit after I flipped town for being wrong for the "right" reasons. The fact that he did not do so means he's actually trying to solve the game. It's a push he could make as town OR scum, but not taking that push on me is something I can't imagine he'd do as scum. I know that this isn't helpful for you, but hopefully it explains why for me I see him as town.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 19 2013 08:26 GMT
#3555
So had my first day on the job! It went pretty well. We ended up going out for dinner. I think I'll fit in pretty well at this place. What's funny is anyone thinking that if I'm the assassin it's worth lynching me. If I were the assassin you could just leave me be and the other assassin would check / shoot me tonight anyways right. I also knew that pushing Grack would probably end this way. This town isn't together enough. Also lol at people thinking i'm an assassin or a mason (wat) or like come on guys get your shit together. Also the assassin claim is tactical since we can't be sure of mason alignments. Also I didn't get an RB PM you can't possibly be like "oh bh should have known this setup is notification-less" I didn't get an RB PM so I let people know cause that's how I roll. Who even uses no-notification setups anyways.

In any case what's really funny, what really gets my goat more than anything else is that people are like finding weird explanations for why Grack can troll and be town or whatever and then when he's serious they take him serious and when people question him he trolls and everyone thinks it's okay. People who thought he was scum just suddenly stop thinking he's scum because in his own Grack-ey way he's so loveable. This is exactly why this style of scum play is so effective. The fact that people are like "yeah that's just grack trolling or whatever dont' worry let's lynch BH" is in fact a piece of supporting evidence in my case on Grack.

When it comes down to it, the reason thrawn was convinced by our interactions in the QT and you guys aren't is that your perceptions are necessarily different as a result of hearing it second hand. You're not personally building a rapport with a guy you masoned to try to get a read on him, working together on a scumread, and realizing that he's just as worried about you being scum as you are about him. You're just reading about some other guy doing that, and psychologically when we hear about an experience rather than experience it ourselves we subconsciously apply a discount to the value of that evidence.

When it comes down to it, Grack has done almost nothing today that merits the townreads or at least "let's lynch him later" reads that he's earned from people. People say my case on Grack is bad because he's an "easy target" but let's be 100% real here, that's pretty much the same as saying my case on Grack is bad because Grack is probably scum. Like "easy target" = "scummy". In fact, the majority of my case on Grack has to do with the fact that he's not an easy target, that when you reach out to grasp him he slips through your fingers like smoke and vanishes like a whisper on the wind, as quickly gone as an idle daydream but as firmly remembered as a summer's romance.

Perhaps this is what I deserve for that tracker claim. For what it's worth, people who insisted on policying me based on that shouldn't get crap if I can't turn this around before the day end. People who voted me for other reasons or weird meta reasons (and especially Pandain, whose thought process now seems entirely opaque to me) should get crap. Note that this of course only applies to things said before this post. Despite the fact that Rayn is on my balls (or perhaps because of it) I believe more firmly that he is town. This is Rayn play, and it's more consistent and scum-hunt-ey, however misled he may be, than scum Rayn is normally capable of.

So yeah I'm gonna say as a tldr i'm not a tracker, a mason, or an assassin, and I think Grack is the optimal lynch for today and conditions have not significantly changed since the time I made my case to make me think otherwise. Rayn town, Koshi probably town. Thrawn definitely town, he could have dumped the mason logs and made me look bad at the start of the day but instead he stuck with it and tried to encourage people to talk about other things. Pandain's thought process doesn't mirror that of a townie's, so he's scum, but we're not getting him lynched unless I flip first probably so I'm gonna stick with Grack today
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 19 2013 08:32 GMT
#3558
Hopeless1 not worth lynching unless we really have spare lynches. vigi him.

I don't understand Risen and take back anything I've said about him
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 19 2013 08:33 GMT
#3560
WHAT ABOUT GRACK

also don't lynch rayn jesus christ
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 19 2013 08:34 GMT
#3561
Well you know maybe if people get pissed they'll start thinking. I'm going to bed, I'll be up in like 7 hours and will stop by the thread, then about 5 hours after that I'll be able to make some posts around lunch time, but other than that I've got sleep then work

peace and love
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
November 19 2013 15:06 GMT
#3618
On November 19 2013 22:43 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 22:20 Holyflare wrote:
On November 19 2013 22:18 Koshi wrote:
How is that not a genious plan?


Not only has BH been afk for almost the entirety of day 1 but the only read he has is grack. He admits he has no time and has a new job and so cannot invest any good time into getting a read. His reads are therefore worthless. Why on earth did he even sign up? God only knows.


Do you remember Hogwarts obs QT? I am not going to believe any sob stories about being busy and such from BH after that.

Man I wasn't even gonna tell the thread, you can't use that against me >:|
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
December 08 2013 21:09 GMT
#7875
i'd like to note that a non-trivial component of the case on me was that I was pushing grack, who was an "easy lynch" and who in fact never got lynched all game despite being scum

my hat off to you grack you are a slippery fish
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
December 08 2013 21:18 GMT
#7878
Dude that sock head crumb was pretty next level.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
December 08 2013 21:24 GMT
#7880
yeah, that was probably a misplay since all my crumbs are like that
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-20 21:29:53
May 20 2014 21:29 GMT
#7904
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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