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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 29 2013 20:45 GMT
#7041
=.= "coag is town my gut says so" should be read as "I've ignored all evidence that he might be scum and his filter full of uselessness is totally null at best"
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2013 20:48 GMT
#7042
Holyflare before I dive, you have posted all your mason logs, right?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 29 2013 20:49 GMT
#7043
I can live with that
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2013 20:51 GMT
#7044
Coag is pretty town to me now unfortunately, double unfortunate if he tricked me.

But he did vote Risen early on, earlier then you Holy when he didn't have to.

Furthermore, we're complaining that he's useless, and he has been, but he has been sharing opinions and Coag is generally useless. Also he's been like openly taunting/mocking me and that seems more like a town thing to do considering it could have backfired on him.

A big suspicious thing is that he thought BC was town, but in reality was there much hope of saving him so why not bus?

I think scum probably lie elsewhere, or at least we shouldn't lynch him tomorrow
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2013 20:51 GMT
#7045
**Voted Thrawn
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 29 2013 20:56 GMT
#7046
Oneguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
Fe fi fo fum.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
November 29 2013 21:05 GMT
#7047
slam is probably town.
He just lynched himself as town @ omgus
http://www.omgus.net/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=1342

he basically claimed scum and self voted.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
November 29 2013 21:10 GMT
#7048
Coag, how you feel about vayne and why? Not the LoL hero, the guy in game.
Fe fi fo fum.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 29 2013 21:14 GMT
#7049
First cheesecake is ok with BC as mayor but changes his read based on mocsta points.

Mentions at least one person who was NK each night except night 2, where artanis was mentioned right before nightpost. Butthe other three look really bad because he is trying to show he had a scummish read on them, for him not talking about many people at all I find this very odd.

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 18 2013 07:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yamato how are you so obv town.

Get shot n1 plz.


On November 20 2013 07:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Artanis likes my Mattchew scumread! :D

This one not so much

On November 24 2013 07:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Im also really suspect of koshi, SS, risen. I think that fits nicely.


On November 24 2013 08:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
SS dont fuck me in the ass K?


These much more so
On November 27 2013 03:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I highly doubt Koshi will be NK'd. Either myself or Mig will die, because Mig is for all intents and purposes confirmed tow and never be lynched, and I'm for some reason a really huge voice this past cycle. Also nobody will lynch me unless scum think they're up for the task :p

Enough NK speculation. We will know soon enough.






Says risen needs to die he is scum to vote thrawn, risen has to die he is scum to lynch onegu. Screams risen is town but gives well thought out instructions on what to do if he flips town. Why do this for someone you believe is going to flip scum? Look at the post better.


On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Mr. Cheesecake's Big List of What The Fuck to Do


1) Risen needs to be lynched tomorrow, cut and dry. If you are advocating against lynching Risen, you are not being pro-town. There is indisputable evidence that Risen is probably mafia. In the event he flips town, the game is all but won due to the information we possess via votecounts and flipped scum associations.

    A) Evidence - Not a single mention of Risen in Mocsta's filter. Albeit short, he never mentions Risen throughout the cycle in which he lived. Thrawn did not want to lynch Risen, nor did BC. This is obvious by the votecounts on Day 3, in which both mafia voted for Pandain rather than Risen. Thrawn blatantly says that he doesn't want to lynch Risen during Day 3.

    B) Evidence - Risen martyr's like a fool. I saw little attempt to direct town in the right direction if he had died. He Promises to make cases before the deadline! Look!

    + Show Spoiler +
    On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote:
    1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.

    2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.


    Risen is not caring about the town, and doesn't make good on his promises. Did you see any giant Risen case? He was about to die, very close. No cases. He was going to die silently.

    C) Evidence - Risen just isn't playing very pro-town in general. I can't exactly say much to this point, but it's true. What evidence is there that Risen is town? I can't find much in this regard. Lynch.


2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct.


Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town.
Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen.
Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn.
Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn.
austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town.
Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches.
Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on.
LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez.
Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town.
Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember.
Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn.
Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled.
Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim?
VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either.

3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left!

We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn.

For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Scum has 1 KP. With daybreak, assuming 1 town dies, game will be at 3 v 11 (14 players left). Assuming Risen flips town + 1 more death, 3 v 9. Mislynch again. 3 v 7. mislynch AGAIN 3 v 5 lylo. This means that IF Risen flips town, we still have two lynches with ALL THAT INFORMATION. Still, a VERY good position for town! If he flips scum, we have more mislynches allotted, but with less direction. Can probably close out the game by being active, and when the first scum of the last two flips.

Game's in the bag, folks. If anyone can dispute this strategy, do so now. Lynch Risen, win game.


He gives a well thought out list on who is scum and why if risen flips town, but of risen is scum, Idk they were bussing look at koshi.

Mr CC knows risens flip will be town and helps make plans what to do in case.

Then smaller things like gives skanjabs a town read but likes VEs lynch canidates.

His complete flipflop on oats with no reason,

+ Show Spoiler +


On November 19 2013 12:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 19 2013 12:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cheese is town.

VE, he unclaimed.


Oats is town too.


On November 19 2013 23:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
HF is town. So is Oats.


On November 24 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMG SUPER IM SORRY I DOUBTED YOU!!!

OATS LOOKS BAD BUT IDC KILL RISEN 10000000%

I start the claim. I'm VT. Not doctor, Sadly.




On November 26 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 11:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey wtf CC, Im like the only one who hasnt tried to lynch you this game.


Hmm I now think Oats might be scum. Fuck that previous townread, this comment is so much BS because I haven't seen a single person try to lynch me. Don't try to buddy up to me in hopes you'll ride out to lylo based on my initial townread of you.






He also does the same thing with grack, moveing him from town to scum.

His claims are all over the place with lies but calls for mass roleclaim with zero lies.


Ok Im back to sleep.

Whole case with formatting and shit tomorrow.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 29 2013 21:16 GMT
#7050
No never masoned with anyone
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 29 2013 21:17 GMT
#7051
Yeah HF coag is town really. Look closer.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 29 2013 21:18 GMT
#7052
On November 30 2013 05:48 Pandain wrote:
Holyflare before I dive, you have posted all your mason logs, right?


all of them apart from the one with mig, also you said he voted earlier than me on thrawn? I was trying to convince people about thrawn all morning and nobody listened to me, I also hammered thrawn and asked people to consolidate onto him to prevent shenans, wifom speculation is fun though!

Did you read my case on him?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2013 21:25 GMT
#7053
I agree Cheesecake is suspicious. Like putting that amount of work, more work then he's done whole game, into an outcome he didn't even think was likely (voted Risen, said risen "HAS TO BE LYNCHED tomorrow")

Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2013 21:26 GMT
#7054
Onegu I don't like you constantly going to sleep after posting.

Want to stay and chat?
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2013 22:28 GMT
#7055
Nevermind Holy is extremely townie to me. Or he's really good and I'm bad.

Putting so much effort, both in QT and in thread. Like more then Austin actually it's pretty incredible. And then he did push for BC and Thrawn so pretty indicative.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2013 22:52 GMT
#7056
Why I think Oats should be lynched tomorrow

On November 15 2013 11:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
hm mocsta is either scum for jumping on lynchbait or town jumping on lynchbait.


Pointless. Makes sense if Oats is scum, less if Oats is town.

2. Super Weak and weird on Mocsta
On November 15 2013 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what I dont like about Mocsta's mayor post is that its very staged and rehearsed. Which obviously is scummy because town dont need to make up shit and make sure it sounds nice.

The thing with Storrzerg, like the stuff he says is objectively scummy. Sure. Noob claiming and all that. But town do it too.
On the other hand, he doesnt normally post so reservedly.
So in conclusion, I am null on Storrzerg and null on Mocsta.


Here he was like saying Mocsta is scum, and then ends with null.
He does the same thing with Hiro, declares him slightly scummy, and never follows up on him.

3.
On November 15 2013 23:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato is quite obviously town because he tries to shift the dicussion into right direction.

Thanks for this controversial read Rayn.

Now scumhunt and stop defending your townreads.




It wasn't certain that Yamato is town and that's the impression we get from Oats. Admittedly it was likely

4. He never pushed anyone day one. Ended, despite his reads on Mocsta and hiro, it ends with "lynch mig!"

5.
On November 18 2013 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 00:20 Mocsta wrote:
On November 18 2013 00:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
do you have a point mocsta?

Yeah, Im finding you really distant this game - like you dont give a fuck about the game.
And you haven't used your trademark on anyone as far as I know.

Whats up with that?
Im scum.

Surprisingly more likely to come from scum. Town don't want to cast suspicion on themselves, even as a joke. But it's a good scum play because "NO WAY WOULD YOU CLAIM EVEN AS A JOKE". See me and Palmar in Thug Life where we both claimed mafia day one.

6. Day two went after Thrawn with good points. Didn't get suspicious of Thrawn. Didn't push him.

7.
On November 21 2013 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Either BC or SS is scum.

##vote SS
GOO SS.

Risen, why did you drop your policy lynch on Grack? Why is Grack making a joke about being masons with Coag scummy?
##vote Risen

Before this he was totally laying it out on BC

8. Voted Risen, argued against a Thrawn lynch. mmmm

9. Hasn't pushed any of his own lynches himself
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2013 22:55 GMT
#7057
Basically to sum it up?
Oats has been extremely wishy-washy about confirmed scum. He had points on Mocsta, never said that meant he's scum. Said hiro was slightly scummy, made good points against him, never argued for him. Said points against BC, voted SS until it was already obvious and then he switched to BC.


He gave several weak reads on other random people that he never pushed either.

He has never tried to push his own read and it's now day five.

He argued against the Thrawn lynch and stayed on Risen.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 29 2013 23:01 GMT
#7058
If I was scum, I would shoot Oats
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 29 2013 23:26 GMT
#7059
On November 30 2013 06:17 Onegu wrote:
Yeah HF coag is town really. Look closer.



This guy, really? He's telling me to look closer at a guy I already made an in depth case on?? Not only that but he calls me a scum read and has pushed my lynch all game but is trying to show to me that a guy is town. This attitude does not make sense from any town player.

He doesn't read at all and is incredibly inconsistent. Posts a case and then disappears every time, no discussion with people really ever.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
November 30 2013 00:43 GMT
#7060
I could see myself simply being disappointingly valuing Onegu more, though.

Like Oats is more scummy with the information that we know, Onegu is more just playing really really poorly.

I would rather lynch Oats first.
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