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On December 02 2013 08:15 Pandain wrote:
Austin your wrong if you think he doesn't push stuff.
Only time he did this game was on suspicious mofo BH who fake claimed. I don't remember pushy town oats in Cop Sandwich. I don't remember pushy oats in Nuclear, in fact he got tripped up because he didn't remember why he'd sheeped some read.
Where has he been pushy/leadery, not just repeating that someone is some alignment, but actually trying to change minds?
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On December 02 2013 08:17 Pandain wrote:
Please use correct game terms I have not known any game you referenced because of it Thug Life, town. Nuclear...Nuclear Winter? Mafia.
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HF, do you agree or disagree about my characterization of CC's reads on risen and thrawn? Does his risen vote look scum or town-minded? Does his thrawn vote and reasoning look scum or town-minded?
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His filter here is already 4 pages longer than in Thug Life.
He also had an activeish D1/D2 in that game, and started to tail off and get less progressy and good questiony.
That reminds me of this game!
Also, I don't think you can say a dude was pretty obviously looking for scum when town VERY LIKELY would have mislynched him had it not been for the Koshi check. I couldn't get any traction on calling him town. As a townie in that game who found him townie, the consensus was NOT that he looked good or was hunting scum or was progressing the game, the consensus of the townies in that game was that he was mafia and should get killified.
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There are about 15000 people who called VE an assassin or said he might be or called x or y assassins.
Yeah, I looked at ##. Much more active. Also a much wonkier game, powers and twerking and whatnot.
Oats was shot N4 in Thug Life. The start of D5 came when we were already ~90% through with the game, or through with the thread. There was time where he wasn't doing oodles, and for all his questioning and stuff, he was STILL gonna get lynched on D4 without the check.
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On December 02 2013 08:41 Holyflare wrote:
I think you've extrapolated the wrong side of things from CC's reads on risen. I do agree that he didn't mention thrawn reasonings for mafia compared to risen though but what good reason does he have to switch to thrawn in the first place? Reduction of kp against 2 vets? Kill off for town cred? No, he clearly didn't get any of that, I don't think you can get a thought process from the lack of information that he posted so it's null at best not the scummy light that you have painted it. I think his timing is more poorly positioned than Coag's, at the very least.
I also know that CC is full willing to do weird stuff/bussy stuff as mafia. See Thug Life, where he fakes that his scumbuddy sent him a mason request, when only scum could mason. We lynch scumbuddy, CC attempts to ride that faked interaction to sweet, sweet victory.
I forget Aperture, but I think there he was also willing to lynch scummers or do whatever.
Those are not 1:1 comparisons, given that the thrawn lynch halved mafia KP. But Cheese killing off mafia isn't ... out of the norm for scumcheese.
I think you can absolutely get a thought process from what he posted. He never called thrawn SCUM/MAFIA. He never mentioned thrawn before that day, and when questioned, noted that he had never said thrawn WASN'T MAFIA. Did he follow up with any read? No. Did he look at thrawn like he looked at risen? No. Did he EVER look at thrawn? It doesn't appear so.
But unlike coag, who doesn't care about justifying his vote much, CC still feels the need to justify his vote on thrawn. I can tell you I do that a lot as mafia voting scumbuddy, you don't want to look scummy and sheep a case (coag), you want to be like, oh yeah, I liked that case, so I went and looked at his filter, and THIS is scummy too gaiz! CC's thrawn vote reads like that. He STILL does not talk about thrawn, ever. STILL does not say that thrawn is mafia, scummy, or talk about anything thrawn said.
All he does is say that BC called hiro maybe mafia over other lurkers, THEREFORE THRAWN IS TOTES SCUM LET'S LYNCH HIM.
You had posted oddities about thrawn. I had posted oddities about thrawn. CC ENTIRELY IGNORES ALL THAT STUFF, AND VOTES A DUDE THAT HE NEVER CALLS MAFIA JUST BECAUSE BC MADE SOME COMMENT ON D1.
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ACK THESE VOTES ARE SO STRANGE
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On December 02 2013 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, I get it but I just don't get the "feels" that you do :/ I do like meta though but I don't want to actively lynch someone that I got a read on that seems to be opposite to thread sentiment without researching it myself first.
If CC was out of the picture austin who would your alternatives/follow ups be on? I would like to discuss LM's switch to CC too after JUST making a case on oats, what do you think of that?? Onegu is the same judging by the votes although I didn't read his reasoning for a switch. The alternatives and people to follow up on for me are slam and VA.
I think.
Things are still dying down from thanksgiving here, and I have not had full time the last couple days to work more towards solving things. Slam had a couple curious votes that stood out to me, and from what I recall his filter doesn't have those posts that tickle me townie like coag/oats.
VA is still VA. I still want people to actually read him and see if they can explain his thoughts/actions.
Onegu was, at the very least, set to make some case/points on Cheese. Whether I influenced that or not I dunno, but his vote doesn't come out of the blue.
LM's is funky, and I'm not entirely sold on his townieness, but I don't know that scumLM would mason me and chat that much. # of mafia masons isn't anything to go on. iirc, we also had some mafia bros pointing out LM occasionally? That may be made up. I know CC mentioned him, when saying we lynch mattchew/LM/BC.
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He didn't give ANY reasoning for thrawn being mafia before the switch.
And his switch is because of a BC post, not at all because of anything that thrawn said.
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On December 02 2013 09:12 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:09 austinmcc wrote:
He didn't give ANY reasoning for thrawn being mafia before the switch.
And his switch is because of a BC post, not at all because of anything that thrawn said. He gave more reasoning for Thrawn being mafia then he did for Risen. I disagree with this. What reasoning does he give for thrawn?
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On December 02 2013 09:11 Pandain wrote:Not if they're both scum If both are scum then scum would have been setting up one or both of onegu and coag as mislynches.
Yet apart from holyflare, who is getting no traction on coag, nobody is really pushing to lynch those two.
I don't think that makes sense.
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On December 02 2013 09:21 Holyflare wrote:
Would much rather get rid of some of the riff-raff lurkery scummy people though. Who?
Coag on pg 8 of filter
Onegu on pg 9
Hopeless 6. Wtf. I thought he'd posted more than that, but i've just been liking his posts so have not kept track well.
Cheese on 10 after this burst of activity.
LM 4, but also has some logs.
I don't think Cheese is very "non-lurkery", since so much of his activity is JUST recent and is rampant speculation about something that nobody thought would happennnnn.
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On December 02 2013 09:24 Holyflare wrote:
Like he literally made a game plan on both scenario's and is following it to the letter and people are calling it scummy? He made a giant game plan for risen town. His game plan for scumRisen is 3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left!
We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn.
For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Read that. His game plan for scum risen is to look at some stuff that we can already look at. Likes Koshi.
BUT LOOK AT THIS PLAN. IT AIN'T A PLAN. HE SPECULATES ON ALIGNMENTS RELATIVE TO TOWN RISEN BUT NEVER TO SCUM RISEN. IN FACT, HE SAYS "we'll cross that bridge when we come to it" FOR SCUM RISEN. WHY SPECULATE ON TOWN RISEN BUT NOT FOR SCUM RISEN? WHY WAIT TO SEE A FLIP FOR SCUM RISEN?
Furthermore, why does he think oats is mafia? He had oats as town, oats as town, oats as town, then oats as scum because of the RB (but that requires a town BC). Then he wants to look into thrawn/oats/koshi after killing risen.
WHY!? WHY DOES HE WANT TO KILL OATS? CAN YOU FIND IT? WHY DID HE CHANGE FROM TOWNOATS TO SCUMOATS? IN FACT, HE EVEN SAYS HE WANTS OATS TO BE TOWN RIGHT AFTER THAT.
THIS IS THE ONLY TIME HE EVER SAYS OATS IS MAFIAOn November 26 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 11:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
hey wtf CC, Im like the only one who hasnt tried to lynch you this game.
Hmm I now think Oats might be scum. Fuck that previous townread, this comment is so much BS because I haven't seen a single person try to lynch me. Don't try to buddy up to me in hopes you'll ride out to lylo based on my initial townread of you.
AND LOOK AT HIS TWO "READS IF RISEN IS TOWN POSTS"+ Show Spoiler +On November 26 2013 10:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Mig
Onegu
Koshi
Coagulation
Hopeless1der
Grackaroni
Pandain
VayneAuthority
austinmcc
Risen
Mr. Cheesecake
Holyflare
LoneMeow
Alakaslam
Oatsmaster
I'm looking at this if Risen is indeed town. On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct.
Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town.
Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen.
Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn.
Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn.
austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town.
Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches.
Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on.
LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez.
Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town.
Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember.
Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn.
Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled.
Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim?
VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either.
WHY THE BALLS WOULD MAFIA NOT VOTE IN THE THRAWN LYNCH? WHY DOES CC CALL HIS OLD TOWNREAD SCUM FOR NOT VOTING? SCUM REALLY REALLY REALLY NEEDED TO VOTE THERE?
IT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE HE'S JUST TRYING TO FIND REASONS TO UNDO OLD TOWNREEEEEEADS.
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Like...look at that list. It's more of the same. CC's scumreads are very very very heavily based off of recent votes. He makes no attempt to check their full filters (oh hey, thrawn did that SAME THING when calling onegu scum!). He makes no attempt to figure out what onegu has done, what koshi did other than the rayn lynch, what oats has EVER done, what pandain claimed, or what VA has done apart from his votes.
CC's scumreads in that post are just calling people scum, while not doing the research to see if he thinks their play and posts are scummy. He's just cherry picking votes or not votes or single pushes, highlighting a single thing or saying he can't remember a single thing.
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On December 02 2013 09:36 Holyflare wrote:I'm not sure if you're blinded by tunnel vision austin but he quite clearly states who he wants to lynch if risen is town: Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 10:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Mig
Onegu
Koshi
Coagulation
Hopeless1der
Grackaroni
Pandain
VayneAuthority
austinmcc
Risen
Mr. Cheesecake
Holyflare
LoneMeow
Alakaslam
Oatsmaster
I'm looking at this if Risen is indeed town. He lists the people he wants to kill if risen is town, he said his battery is running out and the only other wagon that isn't him that is on that list is oats. Why are you pushing it as a scum agenda? Did you read his reasoning?
Why does he want to lynch oats?
Why does he want to lynch ANY of those people? Do you feel comfortable saying he put in a bunch of work to make those posts?
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On December 02 2013 09:37 Holyflare wrote:
Please stop using that logic as a scum motive when you are defending others who use no logic at all? Nonononono. I will stick by this 100000000%.
Using NO LOGIC AT ALL puts the spotlight on you. It's scummy. It's a curious thing to do, it's in your filter, people will find it, they will call you on it.
Scum DO NOT WANT TO LOOK SCUMMY. Lazy scum, active scum, scum don't want to look scummy. Oftentimes, they will try to give some kind of justification for their reads.
Look at thrawn. Thrawn ATTEMPTED to give reasoning for his BC swap. He did not want to vote BC for no reason whatsoever. So he says he's concerned about the Mig thing, asks some questions. But he doesn't wait for answers, and therefore, his justification for the vote was pewp and made up.
Having a pewp and made up justification is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR worse than having no justification, because it shows you realize no justification is scummy looking, don't want to look scummy, try to find a reason, but you can't actually find a good reason.
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On December 02 2013 09:38 Holyflare wrote:
He quite clearly could have voted risen or thrawn and nobody would give a shit, he didn't need to even give reasons to switch to anyone and you would just fob him off as towny as you are doing to coag. He found reasons that made sense to himself and you had a case on thrawn, he doesn't need to explicitly say anything about it. YES!
But he DOES
He DOES say something about it, and the thing that he says about it is focused on one thing that BC once said.
It's not a good justification, imo. The same way his BC read goes from towniest vet to "let's lynch" based on one thing he found in mocsta's filter.
If nothing elsem: (1) He goes from towniest vet to mafia on BC because of one thing in mocsta's filter. (2) He goes from lynch risen definitely and look at thrawn later, no read, to scummy on thrawn because of one thing in BC's filter.
He makes his scumread on BC, mafia, based on a single thing in a mafia filter. HE DOES NOT USE MOCSTA'S FILTER TO READ EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME. He makes a read on thrawn, mafia, based on a single thing in BC's filter. HE DOES NOT USE BC'S FILTER TO READ EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GAME. He is using scum filters to make associations SOMETIMES, but only single posts, and he's never combining that with their own filters, and he's never 100% analyzing those filters to get reads on URRBODY.
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On December 02 2013 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
Ok, let me take a different approach, what scum agenda is he pushing with finding posts to justify his reasoning instead of following EVERYONE ELSES logic and voting using their logic? Inherent guilt. You WANT to justify your flip flops as scum.
So he calls BC towniest vet. Then things are shifting, BC looks bad. People calling out BC, townies calling out BC. He wants to change his BC read to scummy, but he needs a reason. So he grabs a single mocsta post.
He has NO reasoning on thrawn. Doesn't want to look like he's limping in, just sheeping for no reasoning, because inherent guilt. So he grabs that BC post.
It's not a scum agenda thing with him trying to justify his reads, it's a .... facet of how scum look at the game? They are very concerned with not doing things that are scummy, when they can help it.
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On December 02 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:40 austinmcc wrote:On December 02 2013 09:37 Holyflare wrote:
Please stop using that logic as a scum motive when you are defending others who use no logic at all? Nonononono. I will stick by this 100000000%. Using NO LOGIC AT ALL puts the spotlight on you. It's scummy. It's a curious thing to do, it's in your filter, people will find it, they will call you on it. Scum DO NOT WANT TO LOOK SCUMMY. Lazy scum, active scum, scum don't want to look scummy. Oftentimes, they will try to give some kind of justification for their reads. Look at thrawn. Thrawn ATTEMPTED to give reasoning for his BC swap. He did not want to vote BC for no reason whatsoever. So he says he's concerned about the Mig thing, asks some questions. But he doesn't wait for answers, and therefore, his justification for the vote was pewp and made up. Having a pewp and made up justification is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR worse than having no justification, because it shows you realize no justification is scummy looking, don't want to look scummy, try to find a reason, but you can't actually find a good reason. this is a contradiction considering you think me giving no reasons for things is scummy Yes. There is actually a reason though but it's sooper secret.
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