Risen. Go color in some mayoral votes, the flips we KNOW and the flips you expect. Then color in some D3 votes, the flips we know and the flips you expect.

Then post em in thread please.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 27 2013 20:05 GMT

#6847

On November 28 2013 04:30 Risen wrote:
You mean color votes I think are scummy red and town green? Or color people I think are scum red and town green?

Color the flips in, red/green.

Then you can add your own thoughts in another set. Who you think is scum/town.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 00:17 GMT

#6886

A lot changed during the shift, Risen.

You kept your vote on yourself, despite the "town needs to lynch scum in order to drop KP" argument being made multiple times. For all your posting, you seem to have no actual desire to do pro-town stuff, just post things to go through.

Why do LM's logs look bad?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 00:22 GMT

#6888

On November 28 2013 09:18 Holyflare wrote:

Show nested quote +

Well hold up there, you told him to do something and at least he did it.

I worded the second post, the clarification, slightly poorly I think.

I wanted him to color in the flips for the VOTES. Like pull up D1 and D3 voting, color in our flips, see where mafia/town were voting, what's leftover. It's coo, it was mainly to see if he would actually do it and to save myself like 5 minutes. But yeah, he made some colors and posted the kills, and he DID post a list o' stuff. I shall send him tuppence to compensate him for his list.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 00:56 GMT

#6892

On November 28 2013 09:42 Risen wrote:

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Here's my problem, my vote was on myself during those arguments as well and at the time those arguments were made you still had me as town. So again, nothing really changed except me being afk during the time when Thrawn got lynched.

The most important thing that changed is that we lynched mafia and they only have 1 KP. Your filter, specifically because of the D3 no-vote on pandain, looked less likely to be mafia than thrawn. It was an odd angle, you didn't place what could have been a very mafia-favored vote if Pandain is town (and based on the votes, he most likely is).

But the KP difference is the biggest thing that changed. I don't care so much today if people want to lynch or mislynch you, because on the off chance you're a mislynch, we stopped the bonus KP.

But the way you conducted your posts and your votes over the last little bit isn't townie. It's not an afk issue, because you responded to having to be informed as to why lynching mafia and not martyrs was important yesterday. Despite responding to post(s) about dropping KP, you didn't move your vote. That's not afk, it's just purely not caring about town if, as you say, you're town.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 01:22 GMT

#6907

Risen, if you're town, you cray. Whether thrawn/you dies yesterday/today is not irrelevant.

#1 - people make weird votes all the time. Game after game. You can never actually be sure who will be the next lynch. See: people getting convinced by BH this game.

#2 - if you're town, it 100000% matters who was lynched when, again, because of the KP. Whether or not thrawn would have been lynched D5 if not D4, it matters, because you are attempting to present yourself as thinking from a world where Risen is town. In that world, lynching thrawn yesterday (hi, that's what we did and I pushed for), lowers mafia KP by 1 on N4. Entirely impactful on the game. You continue to know this. Yet you still make little arguments like it not mattering what order people were lynched in. You silly. In this case, silliness = mafia just dicking around. Town doesn't go, "Well, it doesn't matter that mafia could only take one shot last night instead of two."

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 01:22 GMT

#6908

EBWOP: in #1, BH = BC

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 01:32 GMT

#6913

On November 28 2013 10:23 Risen wrote:
I agreed that the amount of KP mattered. I was just afk when the thrawn thing went down or I would have moved my vote to him. What can ya do, though. vOv

Cuz it did. Unfortunately, you were throwing around statements earlier today about how it didn't matter that I wanted to lynch thrawn, as he was going to be lynched anyway in a day or two. See posts like this:

On November 27 2013 15:22 Risen wrote:
Ninja. Thrawn was going down anyways, austin wasn't instrumental in shit. You can't afk in a thread and be active in another one then expect to live more than a day or two. The fact that rayn got lynched over pandain or thrawn is pants on head stupid. I don't care what VA claimed, his bombs never blew up. How do we know there isn't an unclaimed hatter left? ((That feels stupid after I've typed it out)) Seems like a solid fake claim to me with so much blue running around. Why does there need to be every role in the game? Seems to me VA is harping on this over and over to confirm himself town instead of actually doing anything, which is annoying. I've had similar feelings about mig, but mig stroked my ego and said he enjoyed playing with me so I like him now.

On November 28 2013 02:50 Risen wrote:
Thrawn was getting lynched yesterday or today no matter what. Thrawn was getting lynched no matter what. Why do you people keep giving town points for a forced vote? Oh he totally could have helped thrawn live another day! Yeah, and then everyone on me instead of thrawn gets lynched and scum loses. It isn't scummy to have voted for thrawn, but it certainly isn't townie either.

I know I'm just pointlessly arguing with scumRisen at this point, but at least have some dignity

. You cannot argue all of these three things:

The amount of KP matters
Risen is town
Thrawn getting lynched yesterday does not matter, because he would have been lynched eventually

If the first two things are true, then thrawn getting lynched DOES matter. If the first and third things are true, then the second isn't, because the only way thrawn getting lynched doesn't matter is if we would have lynched scum anyway. The second and third statements can both be true, but only if KP dropping doesn't matter.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 02:05 GMT

#6919

On November 28 2013 10:59 Pandain wrote:
Austin lets say you were in a zoo called TL Mafia: Time to die and then suddenly Parting comes in with a Soul Train.

1. What animal would you trust the most and then turn to
2. Who do you think is an especially loud animal that seems to have influence enough to stop any amount of immortals
3. Who do you think the zoo should sacrifice first that's not risen
4.what animals are you unsure about

1. Mig.
2. I think I qualify, to some degree. If not myself, it's...a combination animal of mig and holyflare? Holyflare is louder, or tries to be, but doesn't appear to have the influence. Mig appears to have the influence but be less loud.
3. That ISN'T risen? Not focused on that yet, see all the tasks I keep saying I'll do but then never actually do. I look at VA, cheese, slam. I THINK the sacrifice is within that group, although I need to see who lines up with what qualities I want in a sacrifice.
4. Bunches of em. LM, onegu, slam, slightly hopeless, coag, etc. Most of the animals are questionable for me.

Also, I've been a bad SC2 viewer recently. Is the Soul Train still viable?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 02:07 GMT

#6920

Also, I hope one day to play a strange themed game where everyone has a posting restriction and can only ask ridiculous but sorta-relevant questions and then also answers.

You need...SLIGHTLY more ridiculous questions, you're telegraphing too hard what each question lines up with. My salsa question was bad, but I wanted to get OOHCHILD involved more so I made them less ridiculous when asking him.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 02:27 GMT

#6929

I would ask before posting any kind of notes.

Comparing activity in A vs B seemed more or less okay, but hunting scum via quality/quantity of notes in two ongoing games of unknown alignments feels like it crosses a line into discussing/messing with ongoing games.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 02:28 GMT

#6930

Risen, you seem to be implying in your posts that pushing thrawn and trying to get him lynched yesterday, getting folks to vote him, is alignment-neutral because thrawn would be lynched later on anyway.

If that's not the case, you have curious scumreads.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

November 28 2013 02:44 GMT

#6936

On November 28 2013 11:42 Risen wrote:
To expand upon what I'm saying, since this seems to be a difficult concept, I'm saying 1 more KP was not worth the town cred scum players stood to gain by lynching Thrawn, especially when I was still available to be lynched.

I would agree with this statement.

However, I'm not sure how you say both this AND that I'm mafia.

"Mafia don't want to lynch thrawn if risen is town" is ezpz statement to make. "Mafia don't want to lynch thrawn if risen is town, and austin is mafia" is a ... questionable statement.