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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 15:00 GMT
#3615
On November 19 2013 23:59 OOHCHILD wrote:
acutally HF so far I read your oats case and it kind of convinced me

The problem is Oats is town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 15:03 GMT
#3617
On November 20 2013 00:01 OOHCHILD wrote:
why rayn?

Because he hasn't done anything scummy.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 15:08 GMT
#3619
Holyflare's case is Oats' reads were wishy washy after he made a promising post at the start of the game.
Guess who had the same kinda D1? Holyflare.

But Oats actually said who he wanted to lynch, Holyflare just picked his null reads from his filter, one of which happened to be Mocsta. Oats always gives that kinda reads, so it does not make him scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 15:12 GMT
#3621
On November 20 2013 00:09 OOHCHILD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Holyflare's case is Oats' reads were wishy washy after he made a promising post at the start of the game.
Guess who had the same kinda D1? Holyflare.

But Oats actually said who he wanted to lynch, Holyflare just picked his null reads from his filter, one of which happened to be Mocsta. Oats always gives that kinda reads, so it does not make him scum.


what makes him scum if he's scum?

He does not really give reads and he is more insecure and "pro-town". He also does not get into shitfests with people.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 15:12 GMT
#3622
EBWOP: I mean, he gives reads, on some people, but not some random reads on some random people like here.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 15:22 GMT
#3623
So Blazinghand do you have anything interesting to say or are you jsut gonna roll over and die?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 15:47 GMT
#3625
Speaking of giving wishy-washy reads i have no idea why Holyflare calls Hopeless and Mattchew scum. His reasoning is "their meta shifts from their town games so heavily" yet he never explains how. I have still no idea why he voted supersoft for mayor (because he wanted to kill Mocsta maybe, is this correct?). I still have no clue why he says "I will run hardcore for mayor and lynch rayn" and then he doesn't do anything to make himself mayor. If someone know how Holyflare's filter from D1 suggests he "runs hardcore for mayor" please point it out.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 15:53 GMT
#3627
A question for everyone:
I think i'm going to go hardcore for mayor in a bit and mocsta/rayn would be my choices of lynch because I don't want to do what VE is doing and lynch into lurkers

Does Holyflare's posts in D1 suggest he was doing this?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 15:58 GMT
#3628
On November 20 2013 00:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
There are AT LEAST 7-8 reads where Oats has been calling actions null and putting a stopper in the discussion because of it. It looks worse when you find out that the first read he gave, without being told to give a read on that person was (excluding the random VE IS SCUM OMG!) post is on mocsta. His read? The total wishy washy thing in the spoiler above... maybe town/maybe scum.... Does he elaborate on mocsta again since then? Hah, of course fucking not. He posts this:

yeah because I didnt agree with their TOWN READS. Come on HF.

Well this is why me and Risen have been calling Holyflare twisting people's arguments into fitting his agenda. He's not even trying to figure out why people say what they do.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:04 GMT
#3630
I have absolutely no idea where EVER Holyflare actually wants himself to be mayor. He never does anything to try to convince people voting for him. Can you quote some posts Artanis because i just can't see it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:09 GMT
#3631
Also why are Mattchew and Hopeless not any more his scumreads?
He had strong meta-reasons (which he never explains) to think they were scum, suddenly he has three completely different scumreads. Why? Because Blazinghand is going to get lynched and scum can give out any scumreads they want. He doesn't seem to be thinking BH is scum, because he voted for Oats, and then for BC. He does not try to convince people into lynching in who he thinks is scum. "Blazinghand can die but i don't actually think he is scum so i put my vote on somewhere and i don't even care on which one of those three people". Of course he doesn't fucking care because they are not gonna get lynched. He's not doing anything to lynch scum, again.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:18 GMT
#3632
Hey Oats i give you an assignment. Look at why Holyflare calls you scum for (your stance on Mocsta). Then look at my stance on Mocsta on D1 and N1 before he announced his shot on Storrzerg. Now given that i was Holyflare's top scumread on D1 does this make any sense to you that he is calling you scum for it and not me?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:31 GMT
#3635
On November 20 2013 01:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why are Mattchew and Hopeless not any more his scumreads?
He had strong meta-reasons (which he never explains) to think they were scum, suddenly he has three completely different scumreads. Why? Because Blazinghand is going to get lynched and scum can give out any scumreads they want. He doesn't seem to be thinking BH is scum, because he voted for Oats, and then for BC. He does not try to convince people into lynching in who he thinks is scum. "Blazinghand can die but i don't actually think he is scum so i put my vote on somewhere and i don't even care on which one of those three people". Of course he doesn't fucking care because they are not gonna get lynched. He's not doing anything to lynch scum, again.

I presume you believe BH to not be scum then? If BH is and HF is too, he'd want to actually put in effort to steer away the conversation from him. If HF is but BH isn't, then why would he even bother trying to sway the lynch when he can just do nothing and watch as town lynches a nonscum?

BH's alignment has nothing to do with this. Anyone who comes in thread now and says "lol just lynch BH kthxbye" should be looked into N2 and later on because if BH is scum everyone voting for him now is not a reason to not play and find other scum.

Holyflare seems to be believing BH is town, at least that's what i get from his posts. Is he trying to save BH? Why not, if he thinks he is town? Like if you compare his behavior to thrawn's there is a significant difference. HF just drops his vote on Oats, when asked (why Oats over BC) he says "lol i can vote for BC too" and switches his vote. Does this look like he gives a shit about anything? And because he does not clearly give shit about anything (he knows BH gets lynched no matter what - and does not even try to push any other lynch while thinking BH is not scum) he can give out any reads he wants.

If i was scum and knew player X would never get lynched by my effort i could make 1000 cases on X if they were just not good enough to get X lynched. That's what i see HF doing, he is not trying to get anyone lynched. It's just what he did in Hogwarts, bussed to some extent so he was "right" but never really voiced his opinion so that it mattered.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:33 GMT
#3636
On November 20 2013 01:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
HF could've come into the thread, placed his vote on BH, make some read someone else already made and left again and be totally fine. Instead he put himself out there with three cases and has started an effort to get someone else lynched. I look at those actions and see it as a townie thing rather than a scum thing. Perhaps he intended to become mayor but saw that it was hopeless. Perhaps he still has scumreads on mattchew and hopeless but considers the cases less strong than the ones he has. Your accusations are flimsy at best.

The problem is the cases do not make sense. He has apparently dropped his top 3 scumreads (me/Mattchew/Hopeless) and has three new top 3 scumreads. Why? Where is the thought process on those? I see none from his mason chat, i see none from his thread posts. He just "read some filters".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:34 GMT
#3637
The case on Oats is mainly from D1. Why was Oats not his top scumread on D1?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:39 GMT
#3640
I know when people give shit about solving the game and when they do not. Holyflare has no intention to solve this game and find scum. IF he had he would have at least analyzed the D2 happenings and given his thoughts about what's been said about cases on Grack/BH/BC/etc and what he thinks about those.

He just looks at the current situation and "adapts" to it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:45 GMT
#3641
For christ's sake. Look at his post. There is like ~100 posts of content and all he had to say is "this is my mason chat with austin that ends in no conclusions and here are my 3 new scumreads, i can put my vote on any of those people".

seriously.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:45 GMT
#3642
EBWOP: ~100 new pages of content...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 16:51 GMT
#3643
So here is my answers to Holyflare's cases:
Oats - wrong, meta suggests Oats is town.
Hopeless - wrong lazy meta-analysis, go look at Witchcraft 2 and then come back with the meta-case
Cobbler - everything in his case has been said arleady.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
November 19 2013 18:21 GMT
#3653
Holyflare did you vote ss for amyor because he wanted to kill Mocsta?
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