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On November 26 2013 05:39 Koshi wrote:
I am not too sad anymore.
But really it comes down on thrawn not being a boss. I see him defending BC a couple times when it is totally not needed (D2 lynch) which is not scummy I guess. But then things like saying Onegu is scum for a meh reason and then the total apathetic follow up on that is scummy.
But I have really no interest in lynching thrawn over Risen. Why does thrawn vote BC yesterday? Where is thrawn scummy on BC?
Why is Risen super-duper-mega-guaranteed scum? If Risen is super duper mega guaranteed scum, why does he not keep a vote on pandain yesterday?
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On November 26 2013 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 05:36 austinmcc wrote:On November 26 2013 05:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Austin you're so cool. Scumbros for lyfe. Thank you but you should also play this game and comment substantively on thrawn. I thought his post entering into today was terrible. The BC stuff in his filter, I looked at it briefly but not intently, didn't seem like anything substantial that isn't out of the realm of normal scum interaction / bussing. I'm actually more curious what Mocsta said about thrawn, if anything. Brb filter The BC stuff seems like nothing substantial. Okeedoke.
Same question to you then. When does BC become mafia for thrawn? Why does thrawn vote BC yesterday? Reading assignment, GO!
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HF, you were on thrawn earlier, now on risen. Who do you prefer to lynch the mostest?
VA, On November 26 2013 04:33 austinmcc wrote:
VA, I know you liked thrawn's early play.
But please, explain to me his BC vote. BC was super townie. But he has to wait to provide strong reasoning, can't just put it in thread. On D3, BC now looks questionable because of attacking Mig, he wants to know BC's thoughts there. Instead of waiting on a response, he VOTES BC. Then later, he gets thoughts, and says pretty much jack about BC. Then he attacks Onegu for not saying enough about his BC read.
Please to 'splain.
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Risen 6
thrawn 5
Vayne 2 (thrawn, slam)
Slam 1 (VA)
oats and LM not voting
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On November 26 2013 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
austin im not going to explain anything to some one I think is scum. If thrawn actually flips red then we can talk. Regardless of thrawn's flip, I'm pretty certain you won't be able to explain his vote on BC.
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In this thread, a vote is tied 6-6.
The guy getting lynched is voting for himself, despite maintaining he is town.
Also, lynching scum today would cut their KP in half.
#headscratch
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On November 26 2013 06:02 LoneMeow wrote:
Honestly not very sure about this, but austinmcc's case is pretty convincing.
##Vote: thrawn2112 What part of my posts MOST convince you he's mafia?
Are there parts that you disagree with? Think i've got blinders on and am painting something townie/null as uber-scummy?
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On November 26 2013 06:05 Koshi wrote:
Well. The kush list is currently on thrawn and Alakaslam is on VA. Pretty meh about this. I stay on Risen. I am in bed when deadline is anyway. Also imo Risen > thrawn. Please to answer before sleep.On November 26 2013 05:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 05:39 Koshi wrote:
I am not too sad anymore.
But really it comes down on thrawn not being a boss. I see him defending BC a couple times when it is totally not needed (D2 lynch) which is not scummy I guess. But then things like saying Onegu is scum for a meh reason and then the total apathetic follow up on that is scummy.
But I have really no interest in lynching thrawn over Risen. Why does thrawn vote BC yesterday? Where is thrawn scummy on BC? Why is Risen super-duper-mega-guaranteed scum? If Risen is super duper mega guaranteed scum, why does he not keep a vote on pandain yesterday? I made you a cake. You looked at some of this stuff just a moment ago, so it takes even less effort now to explain things, you're already caught up!
YAYAYA ANSWER YESSSSSSSSS GOOD
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On November 26 2013 06:06 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey.
I can choose this lynch. Tell me who.
I will be useful. 'Fraid you should choose for yourself.
I would recommend thrawn. However, there are cases on both peeps in the thread, and both have filters that smell like strawberries if you open them up and read through them. Promise, read through each filter and by the end of it you will almost certainly smell strawberries. But you have to read all the way through.
Either way, I would suggest giving some thoughts on each.
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On November 26 2013 06:10 LoneMeow wrote:
austinmcc, in the meanwhile: how possible would you say that both thrawn2112 and Oatsmaster are scum? I still think it pretty unlikely that oats is scum.
Oats had a lot of interactions on D1 that I found to be scummy. Asking specific questions to people that sought information that Townie Tom would want. Some useless stuff, but generally he was getting after things that I think town should have wanted to get at.
Thrawn interacts a decent amount with oats on D2, that's very relevant to this question. Oats is asking about BH/thrawn mason chat heavily, trying to get the information town should want to know. Thrawn is ... talking a LOT with oats if they're mafia buddies. He finds oats mafia because "town oats wouldn't think I'm scum." I don't think that's the sort of thing you say about your scumbuddy. Even their little banter today, "mind explaining what you're going to contribute" --> oats being oats = probably not buddies.
Their dialogue on D2 reads legit. Not scum on scum action. Oats is poking at the RIGHT things, he's asking the RIGHT questions, and that's not a scum/scum dialogue.
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On November 26 2013 06:13 Koshi wrote:
His vote on a dead BC doesn't matter because there were 3 other wagons. Which were Risen, Pandain and rayn. So unless he had scum reads on 2 of those people his vote on BC is not indicative off anything, tbh it is even more towny because he is just sheeping town sentiment which is not a bad thing if you are town and don't give a fuck. As scum you might at least park your vote on some guy you said was scummy. BC was his TOWNIEST VET the day before. Now thrawn is voting BC.
Why? You say he's sheeping town sentiment, he's town and DGAF. But that is NOT what thrawn's posts read. He is asking BC to explain something, pestering for follow up, he's not sheeping a town read here - + Show Spoiler +On November 23 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC can you explain your read on Mig? I'm trying to figure out wtf it is but all I get from your recent filter is that you're spending a whole lot of time trying to make him look like ass without blatantly saying "these things are scummy". It looks like you should be angrier with him no matter what your read on him might be... it's a huge change in tone from your earlier "fuck everyone in the game" posts. It looks like you're simultaneously trying to discredit him, avoid talking about his alignment, and keep the conversation passive. On November 23 2013 09:06 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 08:59 austinmcc wrote:On November 23 2013 08:56 thrawn2112 wrote:
goddammit lol i'm not nearly scummy enough... plan failed
AUUUSTINNNN you're like confm town to me wtf should I do? I don't want to vote Risen because since I've come back he's been posting nearly the entire time uninterrupted and has made sense throughout all of it. It looks completely unlike what a scum player would be able to do in the last few hours leading up to his lynch. Why am I confirmed town now? Also, on a more serious note if you're town. OH MAN LOOK AT THAT YOU JUST POSTED SORT OF A READ ON A PLAYER UP FOR LYNCH WITH A JUSTIFICATION THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT YOU SHOULD DO WHEN YOU DECIDE WHO TO LYNCH. You have now removed Risen from your possible voting options. If you look at BC, ss, oats, maybe a little rayn and a little of koshi's stuff on rayn, I bet you can totally get through a couple of those people and find reasons to vote or not vote them and then put that in the thread and vote accordingly.  I completely disagree with what koshi is saying about rayn. BC.... I just don't fucking know, I was really convinced by his D2 angry posts and I've liked him for being on this same page as me during that time.. but after I came back from afk he was the first person I read and his latest posts (conversations with Mig) are completely different in tone to the posts that I liked him so much for earlier. I want him to answer this before I decide: Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC can you explain your read on Mig? I'm trying to figure out wtf it is but all I get from your recent filter is that you're spending a whole lot of time trying to make him look like ass without blatantly saying "these things are scummy". It looks like you should be angrier with him no matter what your read on him might be... it's a huge change in tone from your earlier "fuck everyone in the game" posts. It looks like you're simultaneously trying to discredit him, avoid talking about his alignment, and keep the conversation passive. I haven't looked at oats/ss yet so I'll do that in the meantime On November 23 2013 09:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC please get in here and answer me On November 23 2013 09:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC respond to my questions! Please! On November 23 2013 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC can you explain your read on Mig? I'm trying to figure out wtf it is but all I get from your recent filter is that you're spending a whole lot of time trying to make him look like ass without blatantly saying "these things are scummy". It looks like you should be angrier with him no matter what your read on him might be... it's a huge change in tone from your earlier "fuck everyone in the game" posts. It looks like you're simultaneously trying to discredit him, avoid talking about his alignment, and keep the conversation passive. you do sorta the same thing to mig in your read list On November 23 2013 09:38 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 09:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 23 2013 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 23 2013 09:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Which questions thrawn? On November 23 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC can you explain your read on Mig? I'm trying to figure out wtf it is but all I get from your recent filter is that you're spending a whole lot of time trying to make him look like ass without blatantly saying "these things are scummy". It looks like you should be angrier with him no matter what your read on him might be... it's a huge change in tone from your earlier "fuck everyone in the game" posts. It looks like you're simultaneously trying to discredit him, avoid talking about his alignment, and keep the conversation passive. you do sorta the same thing to mig in your read list My read on mig is that he has played a game that imo doesn't correspond with how he claims to play. Albeit I think my read of him is far less solid then it once was which is why he is now so far town on my scum list. He should be offed only after the first 4 + oats. Simple. I harassed him on his night actions, and i wasn't satisfied with the results, but at the same time the way he has played over this day cycle has been really solid aside from those interactions. I think his night actions are suspect, I dont like how he responded, I also don't like that he isn't being a more vocal and active voice in the game. Overall hes way too passive for what I know he can do and should be doing. ..... but what's your read on him? "My read on mig is that he has played a game that imo doesn't correspond with how he claims to play." Idk what alignment that is
The question is, is that townThrawn pestering BC or scumThrawn pestering BC. Cuz if you think he's just sheeping town sentiment, ... we need to talk. I maintain that thrawn voted BC before he had any reason to do so, never actually comes out and says BC is scummy to him, and entirely fails to put up any defense of his TOWNIEST VET from D2, the guy whose mind was in the same spot as thrawn's so often.
That means it's scumThrawn. That means thrawn REALIZES that BC is lynched yesterday, and that he looks bad for his BC stuff, and he's trying to get around and vote BC to look a little better. But instead of giving clear/good/decent reasons for why he's not scummy on BC and willing to vote him, he just punts that away and votes BC before having any answer, any reason to change his read.
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If he's on BC because everyone is on BC, why is he pestering BC with a question? And if he's town and is pestering BC with a question. why does he vote before he gets the answer he wanted, and what does he think about BC's alignment after BC answers the question that thrawn so DESPERATELY wanted answered?
Does that REALLY look like someone just sheeping town sentiment?
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On November 26 2013 06:25 Koshi wrote:
austin why was Kush killed? Because mafia shot him!
I presume that you want more than that, though. You want speculation as to WHY mafia did what they did?
Because he looked pretty townie to MOST people that commented on him. imo, that's the reason. Perhaps he looks very townie and is on the wrong track. Perhaps he looks townie but has not yet commented on a bunch of their teammates. Perhaps, at the end of the day, he was critical of grack and grack's lying about being a mason, and scum were looking to push a grack mislynch. It could be because of who is NOT on his list, he was townie on supersoft, when supersoft was looking a bit wonky because he was so sure oats was scum.
There are a bunch of reasons or possible reasons.
What I would say is that, if you are trying to use this as some counterpoint to my questions about thrawn, I am asking you to explain one person's behavior based on his posts. I don't think it makes any sense as town behavior. You are asking me to explain why a whole mafia team shot someone, based on whatever a whole mafia team thinks and doesn't write in the thread.
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On November 26 2013 06:33 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 06:02 austinmcc wrote:On November 26 2013 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
austin im not going to explain anything to some one I think is scum. If thrawn actually flips red then we can talk. Regardless of thrawn's flip, I'm pretty certain you won't be able to explain his vote on BC. If he flips town then it's irrelevant because it clearly wasn't scum motivated. logic 101 I make no statements about relevancy. Whether it's relevant or not, it's still inexplicable from a town POV, imo.
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On November 26 2013 06:26 LoneMeow wrote:
austinmcc, so who would be likely scum if thrawn2112 flips red? Off the top of my head, his flip doesn't super make anyone scummy.
It makes Koshi today look a little weird, and I would look into Koshi quite hard.
He never mentions slam in his filter. I would look at slam a little harder. He never mentions CC in his filter, except to say that he was displeased with my reasoning on a CC read N1. I would look at CC a little harder.
I think it mainly makes a few people look TOWNIE. I don't...I want to save a further explanation of that for now.
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On November 26 2013 06:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 06:33 austinmcc wrote:On November 26 2013 06:25 Koshi wrote:
austin why was Kush killed? Because mafia shot him! I presume that you want more than that, though. You want speculation as to WHY mafia did what they did? Because he looked pretty townie to MOST people that commented on him. imo, that's the reason. Perhaps he looks very townie and is on the wrong track. Perhaps he looks townie but has not yet commented on a bunch of their teammates. Perhaps, at the end of the day, he was critical of grack and grack's lying about being a mason, and scum were looking to push a grack mislynch. It could be because of who is NOT on his list, he was townie on supersoft, when supersoft was looking a bit wonky because he was so sure oats was scum. There are a bunch of reasons or possible reasons. What I would say is that, if you are trying to use this as some counterpoint to my questions about thrawn, I am asking you to explain one person's behavior based on his posts. I don't think it makes any sense as town behavior. You are asking me to explain why a whole mafia team shot someone, based on whatever a whole mafia team thinks and doesn't write in the thread. Yeah, but that post from Kush really jumps at me, knowing that VA is on the exact same people. I am going to stick on Risen. I should maybe sheep you cuz you sheeped me yesterday but I hope we can still be friends after this. I want critical thought about thrawn's filter slightly more than I want sheep.
Because your explanation for his BC vote is, imo, a misreading of yesterday. Intentionally or not, I find it hard to believe that if you really look at thrawn's posts, you see him sheeping town and just voting BC.
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HOLYFLARE
Please post your artanis mason logs. Or at the very least, post relevant portions of the logs where you discuss his shot targeting on N2.
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Also HF, are you willing to move back to thrawn?
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On November 26 2013 06:55 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 06:53 austinmcc wrote:
Also HF, are you willing to move back to thrawn? he's my biggest scum read, my vote was on him first till people told me "oh hes so town dont vote him" " we need a risen kill", they are suspicious as hell because now they've 180'd on their reasoning even though I told them about him. I agree that a lot of people defended/somewhat defended him.
I think that a chunk of those people are still outside of his voters, but if you've got a couple changes that worry you, by all means, post em up.
Also, please please artanis log at some point.
Also also, we're super duper even right now. If he's your biggest scum read, you willing to swap back? Or the votes have you so worried that you don't want to, period?
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What is it about thrawn that makes you think he might be town? Also, you're completely cool with scumRisen not voting pandain/leaving his vote on pandain yesterday?
I got nothing good to say about the voting self and the lack of cases and all that jazz.
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