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On December 04 2013 03:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:37 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 02:10 Hopeless1der wrote:On December 04 2013 01:39 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 01:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
Who thinks I'm wrong? (not you Pandain) Or else, who do you want to lynch? The fact that VayneAuthority was killed over austinmcc/Pandain/Grackaroni makes me doubt my earlier reads that they'd all be town. Would probably prefer Grackaroni over Pandain though, and both of them over austinmcc. And still probably one of the others first. Need to go back and re-read a bit before I can decide. How can you possibly think austin might be scum after the thrawn lynch? That's why he's the last one on my "to lynch" list. It's not totally impossible, but so very implausible that I'd lynch anyone else first. On December 04 2013 02:10 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'd like to hear why you had Pandain as town if you'd be so inclined. I don't have my notes here, so all I can say is that I remember having marked him as town. I'll recheck in a couple of hours when I get home. If you had to lynch someone who's not Pandain, who would that be? I would literally push to have myself lynched before austin because it would be better for town.
Anyone else interested in talking to me about Pandain? Shortlist: - BH claim Flip-Flop. - Lies about vet claim involving SS. - Masons me and proceeds to do nothing. - Maintained vote on Risen as per CC's list of people to lynch if Risen is town (see also Onegu)
Well regardless of what I said earlier you know possibly what I was saying earlier?
I was saying pandain was prepping some epic plays if he was scum. I was martyr ing due to my deep scumminess level and he got me to stop.
There is WIFOM; if he remembered my early game play and was still convinced it was the right thing as it would be a purposes mislynch and now I'm at least playing.
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
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On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum.
Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did.
I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make.
Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages...
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On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages...
On December 04 2013 03:47 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages... I'd prefer if you could point exactly what in my filter it is that you find scummy. General sweeping statements make it very hard to figure out if you actually have a case or are just trying to justify a fake read. I'm probably stupid but I can't figure out which points you are referring to, can you please make a clear list of things you want me to answer?
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Btw stupidity not perceived
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On December 04 2013 04:06 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 03:54 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages... On December 04 2013 03:47 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages... I'd prefer if you could point exactly what in my filter it is that you find scummy. General sweeping statements make it very hard to figure out if you actually have a case or are just trying to justify a fake read. I'm probably stupid but I can't figure out which points you are referring to, can you please make a clear list of things you want me to answer? I'm not sure how you expect me to respond to those. Yes, I've been absent, and will continue to be so. So you have me as scum by process of elimination - how exactly do you expect me to respond to that? If you want to talk about something slightly more specific, like my reads or votes, I'm up for it.
Were you absent for irl? Who do you wanna lynch, do you see anyone good, I dunno.
I sux at this
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On December 04 2013 05:37 LoneMeow wrote:
Perhaps someone will find this useful for something:
Day 1:
yamato77 (7): yamato77, OOHCHILD, Grackaroni, Pandain, Spaghetticus, Mattchew, Skanjab1s, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
VisceraEyes (9): VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Coagulation, Alakaslam, Risen, StorrZerg, LoneMeow, Artanis[Xp], OOHCHILD, Koshi, Koshi, austinmcc
OOHCHILD (0): Grackaroni, Pandain
hiro protagonist (1): hiro protagonist
Mocsta (1): OOHCHILD, Mocsta
supersoft (9): supersoft, BloodyC0bbler, OOHCHILD, Stutters695, Pandain, VisceraEyes, Sharrant, Holyflare, supersoft, Koshi, austinmcc, Alakaslam, Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet (0): raynpelikoneet
Bloodyc0bbler (2): Mr. Cheesecake, Alakaslam, supersoft, Mig
Blazinghand (1): Blazinghand, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
Koshi (0): Koshi, Skanjab1s
Onegu (1): Onegu
Alakaslam (0): Alakaslam
austinmcc (0): austinmcc
Day 2:
Oatsmaster (0): supersoft, Pandain, Thrawn2112, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, supersoft
Holyflare (0): raynpelikoneet
Blazinghand (17): Pandain, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, raynpelikoneet, Artanis[Xp], Koshi, Onegu, Hopeless1der, BloodyC0bbler, VayneAuthority, Coagulation, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Mr Cheesecake, OOHCHILD, supersoft, Mig, Austin
Hopeless1der (0): thrawn2112
Grackaroni (1): Blazinghand, thrawn2112, thrawn2112
raynpelikoneet (0): Alakaslam, supersoft
Pandain (3): Risen, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, thrawn2112
BloodyC0bbler (4): Holyflare, Artanis[Xp], Alakaslam, Artanis[Xp], Mattchew
Mattchew (0): Artanis[Xp]
Day 3:
Pandain (6): Risen, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Coagulation, Risen, Pandain, thrawn2112, LoneMeow, BloodyC0bbler
Grackaroni (2): Risen, BloodyC0bbler, Koshi, Coagulation
BloodyC0bbler (10): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Mig, Grackaroni, Koshi, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Pandain, Holyflare, LoneMeow, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der
LoneMeow (2): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake
supersoft (0): Risen, Koshi, Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, Risen
Mig (1): BloodyC0bbler, Oatsmaster
Coagulation (0): Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
VayneAuthority (0): Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (6): Alakaslam, Koshi, Mr Cheesecake, Pandain, Koshi, Pandain, Alakaslam, Risen, austinmcc
Oatsmaster (2): Alakaslam, supersoft, Risen
Risen (5): Oatsmaster, Mig, supersoft, Alakaslam, Pandain, Holyflare, Onegu, supersoft, Grackaroni, VayneAuthority, BloodyC0bbler
Alakaslam (0): VayneAuthority, Risen, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (0): Onegu
Holyflare (1): Onegu, Risen
austinmcc (1): Onegu
thrawn2112 (0): austinmcc
Not voting (1 vote):: Alakaslam (1),
Day 4:
Risen (5): Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Pandain, Risen, Koshi, Mig, Holyflare, Grackaroni, Alakaslam, Onegu
thrawn2112 (7): austinmcc, Holyflare, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, Grackaroni, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Holyflare, Alakaslam
Pandain (0): Hopeless1der
VayneAuthority (2): thrawn2112, Alakaslam, Alakaslam
Alakaslam (1): VayneAuthority
not voting (1): Oatsmaster
Day 5:
Risen (10): Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Oatsmaster, Holyflare, Alakaslam, Mig, Hopeless1der, Risen, Pandain, Grackaroni, Coagulation, LoneMeow, Onegu, Risen
Holyflare (1): VayneAuthority
LoneMeow (1): Alakaslam
Onegu: (2): Holyflare, Risen, Mr. Cheesecake
Day 6:
Oatsmaster (4): Pandain, Alakaslam, Coagulation, Pandain, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Onegu, Grackaroni
Mr. Cheesecake (7): Alakaslam, Pandain, austinmcc, Hopeless1der, LoneMeow, Onegu, VayneAuthority, Holyflare
Coagulation (1): Holyflare
Not voting (1): Oatsmaster
Do you see it, pandain/Coag?
I am epically scum. I pushed myself when it wasn't lylo-mylo- close whatever, now you need this nagging doubt that I'm scum. My voting pattern is essentially :O Thrawn so wise :O BC so wise :O sheep time
So I look more scum than scum.
Risen on the other hand had something to give the game and people weren't even gonna lunch him till he pushed himself so hard he determined the game off his flip.
However I just remembered cheese flipped town
Why aren't we
Hold on
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On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Mr. Cheesecake's Big List of What The Fuck to Do 1) Risen needs to be lynched tomorrow, cut and dry. If you are advocating against lynching Risen, you are not being pro-town. There is indisputable evidence that Risen is probably mafia. In the event he flips town, the game is all but won due to the information we possess via votecounts and flipped scum associations. A) Evidence - Not a single mention of Risen in Mocsta's filter. Albeit short, he never mentions Risen throughout the cycle in which he lived. Thrawn did not want to lynch Risen, nor did BC. This is obvious by the votecounts on Day 3, in which both mafia voted for Pandain rather than Risen. Thrawn blatantly says that he doesn't want to lynch Risen during Day 3.
B) Evidence - Risen martyr's like a fool. I saw little attempt to direct town in the right direction if he had died. He Promises to make cases before the deadline! Look!
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote:
1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.
2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.
Risen is not caring about the town, and doesn't make good on his promises. Did you see any giant Risen case? He was about to die, very close. No cases. He was going to die silently.
C) Evidence - Risen just isn't playing very pro-town in general. I can't exactly say much to this point, but it's true. What evidence is there that Risen is town? I can't find much in this regard. Lynch. 2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct. Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town. Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen. Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn. Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn. austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town. Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches. Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on. LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez. Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town. Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember. Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn. Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled. Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim? VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either. 3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left! We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn. For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Scum has 1 KP. With daybreak, assuming 1 town dies, game will be at 3 v 11 (14 players left). Assuming Risen flips town + 1 more death, 3 v 9. Mislynch again. 3 v 7. mislynch AGAIN 3 v 5 lylo. This means that IF Risen flips town, we still have two lynches with ALL THAT INFORMATION. Still, a VERY good position for town! If he flips scum, we have more mislynches allotted, but with less direction. Can probably close out the game by being active, and when the first scum of the last two flips. Game's in the bag, folks. If anyone can dispute this strategy, do so now. Lynch Risen, win game.
Duuuuuude the energies
Yes bookmarking in filter
I need to not lose sight of this
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On December 04 2013 08:14 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 14:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Mr. Cheesecake's Big List of What The Fuck to Do 1) Risen needs to be lynched tomorrow, cut and dry. If you are advocating against lynching Risen, you are not being pro-town. There is indisputable evidence that Risen is probably mafia. In the event he flips town, the game is all but won due to the information we possess via votecounts and flipped scum associations. A) Evidence - Not a single mention of Risen in Mocsta's filter. Albeit short, he never mentions Risen throughout the cycle in which he lived. Thrawn did not want to lynch Risen, nor did BC. This is obvious by the votecounts on Day 3, in which both mafia voted for Pandain rather than Risen. Thrawn blatantly says that he doesn't want to lynch Risen during Day 3.
B) Evidence - Risen martyr's like a fool. I saw little attempt to direct town in the right direction if he had died. He Promises to make cases before the deadline! Look!
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 08:27 Risen wrote:
1) at the end of the day I will post actual cases on my top reads. Doing so sooner means you guys might move off of me.
2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not.
Risen is not caring about the town, and doesn't make good on his promises. Did you see any giant Risen case? He was about to die, very close. No cases. He was going to die silently.
C) Evidence - Risen just isn't playing very pro-town in general. I can't exactly say much to this point, but it's true. What evidence is there that Risen is town? I can't find much in this regard. Lynch. 2) In the event Risen flips Town. Follow this List. I believe it to be correct. Mig ---> Claims 2-shot vigi, seems legit. Very plausible town. Coagulation ---> Voted Thrawn, if scum would have killed town Risen. Hopeless1der ---> Both BC and Mocsta were scummy on him. Voted Thrawn. Grackaroni ---> All 3 scum have pushed him super hard. Could be universal bussing, but likely town. Voted Thrawn. austinmcc ---> began Thrawn wagon of justice, leading lynch onto scum away from town. Mr. Cheesecake---> I'm town bitches. Holyflare ---> Voted Thrawn. Seemed townie to me early on. LoneMeow ---> Mason. 3 mafia masons? Voted Thrawn last hour when could have killed Risen ez. Alakaslam ---> Voted Thrawn. Called mafia by Thrawn I think. Least townie of town. Onegu ---> Voted Risen, ??? What has he done this game I don't remember. Koshi ---> Led lynch onto Town Rayn, leading away from Town Risen, no big deal. Didn't vote thrawn. Oatsmaster ---> Scummy in his own right. Declined to vote, not modkilled. Pandain --> Towniest of the reds. Both scum voted him end of D3. Bus tactics? didn't kill thrawn. was he the vet claim? VayneAuthority ---> Claims mad hatter, but no proofs of explody bombs. Didnt vote thrawn, but didnt vote Risen either. 3) In the event Risen flips Mafia. Only two mafia left! We gain a ton of information about the Day 4 and Day 3 lynches. Look at who were voting BC/Thrawn/Risen. Who was NOT voting these people and shying away from them. I think Koshi really fits the bill here, pulling the Risen lynch onto Rayn. For Day 4, mafia were probably bussing Risen because he was the unanimous lynch. Switching onto Thrawn last minute is a good way to gain towncred by swing voting a mafia (See: Nomination, I lead a lynch on scum away from scum VE, gain all the towncred, lose game cus can't kill people at night). In this case, the associations and voting patterns get a bit harder to decipher, as both candidates were mafia. I'd be looking at people who either didn't care about the lynch target, or were trying to actively call Risen town by virtue of Thrawn being mafia. This lynch gains scum Risen towncred and the ones who lynched Risen towncred. It's hazy, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Scum has 1 KP. With daybreak, assuming 1 town dies, game will be at 3 v 11 (14 players left). Assuming Risen flips town + 1 more death, 3 v 9. Mislynch again. 3 v 7. mislynch AGAIN 3 v 5 lylo. This means that IF Risen flips town, we still have two lynches with ALL THAT INFORMATION. Still, a VERY good position for town! If he flips scum, we have more mislynches allotted, but with less direction. Can probably close out the game by being active, and when the first scum of the last two flips. Game's in the bag, folks. If anyone can dispute this strategy, do so now. Lynch Risen, win game. Duuuuuude the energies Yes bookmarking in filter I need to not lose sight of this
Wait what? Te fails
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On December 04 2013 09:17 Holyflare wrote:
Pandain i don't get what exactly you're getting at re:me, there was clearly no incentive for scum to argue against a town/town lynch, i came back with4 hours to go before lynch to discuss why i thought one of the candidates was town and yes, unfortunately it led to me being hypocritical on slam but the point you said about his vote NOT being alignment indicative is very very wrong.
The vote was at like 7 to 6 or 7 to 5, i tell him to consolidate to thrawn and he says sure thing. What town motivation is there to suddenly switch his vote to VA who had no prior votes? The only thing it enables is town consensus to fail, it showed he hadn't read the thread because he asked US who to lynch and instead of making the lynch safe on a scum lynch he makes it highly vulnerable to shenanigans. There is no town motivation there at all.
I said he may as well be a lurker despite his lengthy post count because I haven't seen much contribution at all. The fact of the matter is 2 townies just died. 3 if you count vayne. People are tagging along for the ride when the only people who even properly discussed the cc lynch were me and austin and you. There is quite clearly scum sitting along for the ride here.
K now I can do this anyway.
Holyflare, do you remember our very recent scum game?
I would be much better at NOT pulling such shenanigans if I had scum know how.
You should know best of anyone here that I am town?
But there is WIFOM I understand. It's why I martyred.
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On December 04 2013 08:21 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 08:12 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 05:37 LoneMeow wrote:
Perhaps someone will find this useful for something:
Day 1:
yamato77 (7): yamato77, OOHCHILD, Grackaroni, Pandain, Spaghetticus, Mattchew, Skanjab1s, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
VisceraEyes (9): VisceraEyes, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Coagulation, Alakaslam, Risen, StorrZerg, LoneMeow, Artanis[Xp], OOHCHILD, Koshi, Koshi, austinmcc
OOHCHILD (0): Grackaroni, Pandain
hiro protagonist (1): hiro protagonist
Mocsta (1): OOHCHILD, Mocsta
supersoft (9): supersoft, BloodyC0bbler, OOHCHILD, Stutters695, Pandain, VisceraEyes, Sharrant, Holyflare, supersoft, Koshi, austinmcc, Alakaslam, Grackaroni
raynpelikoneet (0): raynpelikoneet
Bloodyc0bbler (2): Mr. Cheesecake, Alakaslam, supersoft, Mig
Blazinghand (1): Blazinghand, VayneAuthority, Grackaroni
Koshi (0): Koshi, Skanjab1s
Onegu (1): Onegu
Alakaslam (0): Alakaslam
austinmcc (0): austinmcc
Day 2:
Oatsmaster (0): supersoft, Pandain, Thrawn2112, VisceraEyes, Holyflare, supersoft
Holyflare (0): raynpelikoneet
Blazinghand (17): Pandain, Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, raynpelikoneet, Artanis[Xp], Koshi, Onegu, Hopeless1der, BloodyC0bbler, VayneAuthority, Coagulation, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Mr Cheesecake, OOHCHILD, supersoft, Mig, Austin
Hopeless1der (0): thrawn2112
Grackaroni (1): Blazinghand, thrawn2112, thrawn2112
raynpelikoneet (0): Alakaslam, supersoft
Pandain (3): Risen, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der, thrawn2112
BloodyC0bbler (4): Holyflare, Artanis[Xp], Alakaslam, Artanis[Xp], Mattchew
Mattchew (0): Artanis[Xp]
Day 3:
Pandain (6): Risen, Hopeless1der, raynpelikoneet, Coagulation, Risen, Pandain, thrawn2112, LoneMeow, BloodyC0bbler
Grackaroni (2): Risen, BloodyC0bbler, Koshi, Coagulation
BloodyC0bbler (10): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Mig, Grackaroni, Koshi, Hopeless1der, Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Pandain, Holyflare, LoneMeow, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der
LoneMeow (2): VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, Mr. Cheesecake
supersoft (0): Risen, Koshi, Koshi, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Hopeless1der, Risen
Mig (1): BloodyC0bbler, Oatsmaster
Coagulation (0): Grackaroni, Oatsmaster
VayneAuthority (0): Koshi, Mr. Cheesecake, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (6): Alakaslam, Koshi, Mr Cheesecake, Pandain, Koshi, Pandain, Alakaslam, Risen, austinmcc
Oatsmaster (2): Alakaslam, supersoft, Risen
Risen (5): Oatsmaster, Mig, supersoft, Alakaslam, Pandain, Holyflare, Onegu, supersoft, Grackaroni, VayneAuthority, BloodyC0bbler
Alakaslam (0): VayneAuthority, Risen, raynpelikoneet
Onegu (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (0): Onegu
Holyflare (1): Onegu, Risen
austinmcc (1): Onegu
thrawn2112 (0): austinmcc
Not voting (1 vote):: Alakaslam (1),
Day 4:
Risen (5): Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Pandain, Risen, Koshi, Mig, Holyflare, Grackaroni, Alakaslam, Onegu
thrawn2112 (7): austinmcc, Holyflare, Hopeless1der, Coagulation, Grackaroni, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Holyflare, Alakaslam
Pandain (0): Hopeless1der
VayneAuthority (2): thrawn2112, Alakaslam, Alakaslam
Alakaslam (1): VayneAuthority
not voting (1): Oatsmaster
Day 5:
Risen (10): Mr. Cheesecake, austinmcc, Oatsmaster, Holyflare, Alakaslam, Mig, Hopeless1der, Risen, Pandain, Grackaroni, Coagulation, LoneMeow, Onegu, Risen
Holyflare (1): VayneAuthority
LoneMeow (1): Alakaslam
Onegu: (2): Holyflare, Risen, Mr. Cheesecake
Day 6:
Oatsmaster (4): Pandain, Alakaslam, Coagulation, Pandain, Mr. Cheesecake, LoneMeow, Onegu, Grackaroni
Mr. Cheesecake (7): Alakaslam, Pandain, austinmcc, Hopeless1der, LoneMeow, Onegu, VayneAuthority, Holyflare
Coagulation (1): Holyflare
Not voting (1): Oatsmaster Do you see it, pandain/Coag? I am epically scum. I pushed myself when it wasn't lylo-mylo- close whatever, now you need this nagging doubt that I'm scum. My voting pattern is essentially :O Thrawn so wise :O BC so wise :O sheep time So I look more scum than scum. Risen on the other hand had something to give the game and people weren't even gonna lunch him till he pushed himself so hard he determined the game off his flip. However I just remembered cheese flipped town Why aren't we Hold on Okay fine if you want it that bad we can lynch you after Coag and then lose the game. gratz
This point is why I'm now defending hard. I'm just trying to vindicate where I was coming from.
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On December 04 2013 09:38 Holyflare wrote:
It doesn't matter what you do or did because that thrawn lynch is completely different scenario. You go from 2kp to 1 in a big game, not a newbie. I would love to hear your thought process on the switch to VA instead of consolidation though, why bother asking us what to do to just end up not doing it?
I am tunnelled on this point and it's annoying me because i see no logical town reasoning behind it, so convince me!
It was just voicing my opinion. I wasn't actually sure of Thrawn lynch, but was willing to hammer it. My true read was VA however. What good did the move do scum? If I WAS scum you can bet 2 KP is a lot better than a little towncred in a downward spiral! I would have been "afk" in a heartbeat.
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Let us find Actual scum. We are cutting dry ice with ka bars to flex our muscle in a dark room and all you hear is pfffft of all the fart noises. Let's just turn on our flashlights for real and help where we can!
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On December 04 2013 10:10 Holyflare wrote:
I want to know how the plan of lynch coag was aborted while I was gone and put onto 2 people nobody really fully questioned though. I also want to know why, when I voted coag everyone just said no and got on with their lives only to now question him again today?
Who?
I have been chasing lone to no avail
Hopeless wants Onegu out
Lone doesn't know for sure
Coag wants pandain out
Pandain wants Coag out
What the fish? Your ka bar sounds like a fart on that dry ice
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On December 04 2013 14:47 Pandain wrote:+ Show Spoiler +marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 12-02-2013 08:01 PM ET (US) CLOSED 52 onegu 12-02-2013 07:00 AM ET (US) Have you reread hopeless yet? 51 onegu 12-01-2013 02:40 PM ET (US) You mean oats? Because I felt better about a CC lynch after what austin said. Like basicly its odd oats hasnt really pushed a lynch, and he didnt vote BC, but CC looks much worse with his read switches and the risen thing. 50 Pandain 12-01-2013 02:00 PM ET (US) Why did you Unvote cc 49 onegu 12-01-2013 01:12 PM ET (US) yeah I dont like hopeless much, and like to be honest I dont put that much stock on what dead scum have said, like if you are null that can tip the scale, but it shouldnt make someone town or scum on its own. 48 Pandain 12-01-2013 01:08 PM ET (US) Yeah hopeless suspicious because of his "oh can't convince anyone pandain is scum so I won't do shit" 47 onegu 12-01-2013 11:12 AM ET (US) /m43 the bus part is in reference to /m6 What are your thoughts on that? 46 onegu 12-01-2013 10:38 AM ET (US) I thought he actually voted BC, yeah Im good with a oats vote. 45 onegu 12-01-2013 10:29 AM ET (US) Wait did oats not vote BC? 44 onegu 12-01-2013 10:26 AM ET (US) Actually LMs post on oats looks good I could go with that. 43 onegu 12-01-2013 08:20 AM ET (US) Is this a bus then? Yeah I feel you and austin are for sure town Coag, grack, LM and VA are likely town Slam is a coin flip that leaves oats and hopeless in the likely scum HF and MRCC as scum Im ok to vote for anyone in the bottom 4 but prefer MRCC as a HF lynch wont happen at this stage. 42 onegu 12-01-2013 05:40 AM ET (US) Also I really dont like how Mr. Cc came back into the thread, like I said I was going to make a case on him then austin steals my thunder while I am trying to write things from my tablet. But no CC says my case is opportunistic.... 41 onegu 12-01-2013 05:34 AM ET (US) Grack is town, i thoight he might be scum earlier with his trolling, but he has kept it up the entire game, was early on BC, and voted thrawn also. Not much to say on LM, I still hold to the statement a scum team isnt going to let him mason a town yamato day 1, it just isnt going to happen. And LM would ask before doing amything, I have been scum with him twice and he always asks. I still have no idea why HF thinks otherwise if he is town after playimg scum with him in hogwarts. 40 Pandain 12-01-2013 04:35 AM ET (US) Oats/Cheesecake are my top reads definitely. 39 Pandain 12-01-2013 04:26 AM ET (US) I completely understand haha that's more important 38 onegu 12-01-2013 02:47 AM ET (US) I believe you are town, a scum mason wouldnt mason me its not worth it as I was a very likely person to die today and my voice carries little weight. Also I have a handicapped son that is very handicappped and when he has any kind of issue I have to give him 100% of my attention so I am still readimg as there was a problem with my sons trach when he rolled over. He is sleeping now so I shouldnt have more interuptions. 37 Pandain 12-01-2013 02:17 AM ET (US) This better be the best filter analysis I've ever heard in my life 36 Pandain 12-01-2013 12:51 AM ET (US) I'll give reasons why I should be town to you, because I think you're going to need to trust me. Only three votes are out right now. You're an easy lynch, and no one else is going to get lynched except you, Cheesecake, or Oats. I don't think CC is conclusive enough. Here's why I'm town: 1. All my mason choices have been clear town. First three were Supersoft, BC, and then Mig. That shows lack of fear, and my mason logs are pretty legit. Esp B.C., where we disagree a lot and there's actually emotional conflict in there. I masoned Grack which makes sense because Grackapack. I masoned Hopeless and now you to figure out your guys' alignment. All town mason choices unlike Thrawn who with masons like Koshi and Rayne shows that he was scared. 2. Most people who are dead thought I was town. I masoned SS and Mig, and they're confirmed town, and they had strong town reads on me. Prob cuz they liked me in mason chats. 3. I've clearly shown an interst to lynch scum, not just Oats. I'm talking with you and trying to figure out who is scum, actually getting conversation started. 35 Pandain 12-01-2013 12:10 AM ET (US) I think I've filtered everyone so let me know if you have any comments, questions, or anything. 34 onegu 11-30-2013 11:48 PM ET (US) Will do you and VA today as I have no other plans for today. Then I still want to get to HF. 33 onegu 11-30-2013 11:46 PM ET (US) Grack and then LM 32 Pandain 11-30-2013 11:22 PM ET (US) Who are you filtering now 31 Pandain 11-30-2013 11:12 PM ET (US) He wouldn't be afraid I would catch him hahahaha 30 onegu 11-30-2013 11:11 PM ET (US) Maybe he was afraid you would catch him so he just shut up. I can see where you are comeing from with oats, I havent played enough with him to know his meta well. I just know he doesnt do much but is in your face about it. I could vote him, would prefer a CC or HF lynch. Im going to finish my filter reads today. 29 Pandain 11-30-2013 07:32 PM ET (US) Also Hopeless like didn't even give the apperance of wanting to talk to me in our chat. He was like "Lol scum nice try", which doesn't seem like a mafia thing to do 28 Pandain 11-30-2013 07:08 PM ET (US) I'm decidely less sure on a Cheesecake lynch. He might just genuinely think you are scum after all you were somewhat suspicious 27 Pandain 11-30-2013 04:48 PM ET (US) This is not town Oats. He is way too passive in picking lynches and going after people. Seems way more indicative of mafia then town, who have an objective to find scum. 26 Pandain 11-30-2013 02:45 PM ET (US) And it's not that he hasn't made a case, it's that he hasn't even pushed a lynch except Risen against Thrawn. And it's day 6. That's not Oats 25 Pandain 11-30-2013 02:45 PM ET (US) Eh Hopeless also was the target of conversation of BC. I forget if he said it to SS or me, but he said he wanted to lynch him. That's not certain since BC didn't push him, but I think it's something to note. I just think Oats is way better to be honest. Hopeless could just be playing bad, is there any reason why he's SCUMMY 24 onegu 11-30-2013 01:07 PM ET (US) Yeah and as town he never made anything close to a case like that in hogwarts. He did make one case as town in WC2 mafia, but it looks much more thought out and in depth ill link it for you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...currentpage=91#181523 onegu 11-30-2013 12:58 PM ET (US) Rayn was first, its almost like he saw who a really vocal townie made a case then added a bit and made his own case, because he doesnt talk about you before that and then tunnels you the rest of the game. 22 onegu 11-30-2013 12:55 PM ET (US) Moment I need to look whose case on you was up first rayn or hopeless. 21 onegu 11-30-2013 12:53 PM ET (US) And jeez does he tunnel you into oblivion. Did you do something to him in mason chat that got deleted? Then a flip onto thrawn, and then a risen vote and never heard from again. I think he has a better chance to flip scum than oats tbh. Like look what he does with LM and coag. He brings them up only to say they should be ignored until lylo? Yes he voted for thrawn and BC, but the timeings seem off, like thats who he had to vote for. He had a town read rayn, so he cant vote him. I guess he could habe voted risen, but that still doesnt save BC. And he was lateish to the party on thrawn also. 20 onegu 11-30-2013 12:36 PM ET (US) And have you actually read hopeless case on you? Man you are confirmed scum (sarcasm), because you KNOW mig is town and letting scum see his notes. That case seems kinda forced, he never did anything like that in hogwarts iirc I need to check. 19 onegu 11-30-2013 12:32 PM ET (US) The wishy washy I will give you his reads go all over the place. you mean the twrawn lynch he was all risen is scum, then all of a sudden risen martyring is townie but vote risen. 18 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:07 PM ET (US) He never led his own lynch. He was very wispy washy on all scum and tried to stop a risen lynch 17 onegu 11-30-2013 07:54 AM ET (US) Im fairly null on oats, other than being wromg alot, calling out people for not finding scum day one then not finding scum. Then says SS is scummier than BC changes to BC late with little reason then is like am I still scum, I was right about BC. Then wrong about mig, wrong about risen, wrong about multiple people, Right about VE lol. And not really doing anything. Like I could lynch him but I feel much better Mr. Cc is scum. 16 onegu 11-30-2013 03:19 AM ET (US) Ok I am going to my wifes dermatologist first then the mall, the doctors office doesnt have wifi but the mall does. I have Oats filter open and all on one page so I can read while I am there, also have grack, and hopeless open also. Other than you I have town reads on everyone else, except HF and I will work on those later. Null on you, but doubt you would mason me as scum. 15 onegu 11-30-2013 12:58 AM ET (US) Ok Im going to shower I will be back in a few and start my read of oats. 14 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:58 AM ET (US) Let me know when you read Oats. And I 100% agree. I haven't told him that thought because I want to see how he reacts. If he is faking it, then we have to keep him on the suspicious line so he feels pressured. Otherwise, if he's scum and played the insane card he'll keep doing it 13 onegu 11-30-2013 12:56 AM ET (US) /m11 But I also dont think scum slam would martyr like he is. This is why I have a very hard time reading slam. 12 onegu 11-30-2013 12:51 AM ET (US) Ok, I will push him to the back burner for now. 11 onegu 11-30-2013 12:47 AM ET (US) I am finishing catching up now and slam looks really bad for his reason to not want to lynch oats. But also yes slam is normally that confused. 10 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) helped gurantee it* 9 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:44 AM ET (US) Honestly Holy pushed both BC and Thrawn, and while you can say he did it because they were about to die, or momentum was shifting that way, he helped shield it. I think if we slowly lynch more scum his alignment will become more clear. And if we hit lylo, then he can be up. But don't go after him first. 8 onegu 11-30-2013 12:42 AM ET (US) I will read oats today while I am out. Also when I wrote the CC thing it was 330am for me and I knew I was going out today, sorry for peaceing out. 7 onegu 11-30-2013 12:40 AM ET (US) I agree. Also you need to look more at hogwarts mafia, not b2b for holy meta. Holy knew he had to switch his playstyle up in b2b, and did so commenting on you havent seen me play like this as town or scum. 6 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:38 AM ET (US) Actually, cheesecake is even more sketchy then I thought. Like not really putting analysis out there yet throwing reads on people, doubt he could support them to be honest. At one point he was like "oh god this guy is scummy, this guy too". Then later "shenanigans to other people?" Just weird play, but I think Oats/CC, if they are scum, are on the same team tbh. Not definitive but it makes sense to me. And I think Oats is more likely to flip scum. 5 Pandain 11-30-2013 12:34 AM ET (US) Cheesecake came out of nowhere to make a giant post on a part that most people weren't thinking about: Risen being town. It was also a weird thing to make a post about; he didn't do any actual analysis, just a reflection and a game plan. I think he could be scum. 4 onegu 11-30-2013 12:18 AM ET (US) good morning. 1. some real life stuff happened and I missed over 24 hours of the game. 2. I planning on makeing a updated case on him. I cannot shake the feeling of him being scum 3. Yes for the portion leading up to it I was afk in both games I was playing that is when I had irl stuff come up. 4. HF, Mr. Cheesecake. Not coag. Will do my filterdive of oats today and see what I think of him. 5. I have a really hard time reading slam. He came into the game with a new attitude than previous games and I felt he was town for it, but now he has basicly dropped it, started posting in codes and not makeing sense. This doesnt sit well with me but he wouldnt be my lynch choice for today. I am going to the mall today but believe it or not that is when I get the most work done in game while my wife shops. What are your thoughts on cheesecake? As I read these filters Ill let you know what I am feeling and see if we are on close to the same page. 3 Pandain 11-29-2013 10:27 PM ET (US) What do you think about slam? 2 Pandain 11-29-2013 08:15 PM ET (US) Hey you have a lot of questions to answer 1. Why have you been so lackluster this game 2. What do you think about HF now 3. Were you just totally gone during the Thrawn lynch 4. Who do you want to lynch today. 1 marvellosityPerson was signed in when posted 11-29-2013 08:08 PM ET (US) Pandain + Onegu mason Day 6/Night 6
Dude, you guys. Scum play is an art. I don't want to give away more than that.
IF lonemeow is scum, I will give him Kudos here an now.
That being said, lettuce go for Hopeless1der
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On December 04 2013 15:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 14:45 Pandain wrote:
I masoned Onegu and I'm not as confident he's scum.
But then again I'm not confident anyone is scum Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 07:14 Pandain wrote:
Onegu, Coagulation, Holy are my guesses. How does this make any sense within the same day?
Man dude
Now I am WIFOM'ed again.
No vote yet.
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On December 04 2013 16:03 Pandain wrote:
It means my best guesses are you and holy, but Onegu is the least townie out of my town reads.
HF and HF?
You mean Coag
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On December 04 2013 16:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 08:04 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 04:06 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:54 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages... On December 04 2013 03:47 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:32 Alakaslam wrote:On December 04 2013 03:29 LoneMeow wrote:On December 04 2013 03:25 Alakaslam wrote:
LM I may not be a town leader but you aren't scummy if you spar with me. Why aren't you scum, I guess?
What? I don't speak Alakaslamese, can you translate this to something I can understand? Also, I'd appreciate if you explained why you think I'm scum. Don't worry because you already are. It is asking you to do what you just did. I think you are scum based on your filter and extended absence, and process of elimination. Not strong at all and that is because I haven't a strong case to make. Your turn reply, answer all points and I will think before replying so that we don't blast up 40 pages... I'd prefer if you could point exactly what in my filter it is that you find scummy. General sweeping statements make it very hard to figure out if you actually have a case or are just trying to justify a fake read. I'm probably stupid but I can't figure out which points you are referring to, can you please make a clear list of things you want me to answer? I'm not sure how you expect me to respond to those. Yes, I've been absent, and will continue to be so. So you have me as scum by process of elimination - how exactly do you expect me to respond to that? If you want to talk about something slightly more specific, like my reads or votes, I'm up for it. Were you absent for irl? Who do you wanna lynch, do you see anyone good, I dunno. I sux at this Why do you ask when you already know the answer? And why are you trying to make me excuse my lurking with IRL? I have a policy against ever doing that again during a game, that's pre/post game material. And I'd want to lynch Onegu, although you'd be a decent candidate, too. Why did you drop the point about my filter? I'd still want to hear what it is in my filter that you find scummy.
Mostly the lack thereof regarding your filter.
I am asking why you are lurking not trying to get you to excuse stuff? If it is true it is true, I would think just spamming honesty should work as town.
I don't know, you are null still. All is null. I can't figure stuff out yet. Got like 75% blue games and 15% scum or something like that. Makes for an odd character, add in that I came odd and whoo!
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On December 05 2013 04:17 austinmcc wrote:
Yaya, that's a fine alternative. Just I would expect that if multiple scum are masoned with him, they'd try to sway him away from that. Be it in mason chat or in thread.
Okay. Read through slam. I really, really wish he'd get back to scumhunting. There are ... case-y posts and suspicions on early days. We have a bunch of small filters to go through, but they still have posts you can pick apart. Plox to do. The more you go on and on about how we should lynch you to avoid a mislynch later, or how you're bad, the more you look really really odd. You just saw a townie do that. I haven't seen you do that in other games. Dub teef.
Also, slam, why did you vote BC on D2?
I was suspicious of him? I really don't remember.
I just drove 750 miles but I am looking around try to keep up type
Filter if time after work I dunno where but I ain't listening to nobody tomorrow I think puppet master somewhere
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